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tchrist
tchrist
12:11 AM
@Cerberus You can have any number of lookaround constraints active at the same point.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Cerberus France. Yes, I mean that.
However I would've preferred "What country is Paris in?"
 
tchrist
tchrist
Texas, for $64.
 
Co Koder
Co Koder
hi guys
"The body of the abstract may not exceed 350 words in length." Does it mean it is okay if the abstract exceeds 350 words? Or it has to be maximum of 350 words?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Hah, yeah, I guess that's also a valid answer to the question as it is asked. It'd probably be better asked "Where is Paris?" in that case.
However that doesn't exemplify the dangling preposition.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@CoKoder It means it cannot be over that.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
12:24 AM
It's a maximum. The adverb "not" almost always negates a preceding auxiliary verb, which in this case is "may".
 
Co Koder
Co Koder
@Tonepoet I just want to know how strict that statement is. It seems using "may" gives some flexibility. What do you think?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I don't think it does, although technically "can not" would do just as well if not better in this circumstance.
 
Co Koder
Co Koder
@Tonepoet or it is common language usage of "may not" instead of "cannot", Right?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
The only difference is regarding whether you have the permission or the ability. In this case, it is the same result either way.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist But will this match "regular expression"?
 
tchrist
tchrist
12:29 AM
@Cerberus Yes.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Tonepoet But there is no ellipsis in that.
@tchrist Why, yes, I see it.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Cerberus The sentence lacks a prepositional object otherwise.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I tried to use a look behind yesterday for something, which would have worked, if it had not been the case that its length had to be fixed.
@Tonepoet I wouldn't say so: it's just in a different place. At any rate, there is no ellipsis: you can't supply anything to make the sentence complete.
It's also not typical of questions.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I'm going to have to search my internet history to respond to that one. I was hoping to link you a P.D.F. file when I mentioned it earlier, but it seems like the question that had my comment was deleted.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
1:08 AM
@Tonepoet Whatever you call the phaenomenon, it's just not the same thing.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@cerberus I didn't read The Short Answer: Implications for Direct Compositionality (and visa versa): Online Appendices by Pauline Jacobson beyond the first several pages but I believe it touches upon the subject, since it has similar examples within those pages.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I'm sure it does.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Anyway, I've gotta go, stuff to do.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
1:25 AM
Adios!
 
 
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Tonepoet
Tonepoet
4:26 AM
@Cerberus What is the purpose of that chart?
 
 
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Lawrence
Lawrence
8:52 AM
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Q: what is the difference between 'continue doing something and continue to do something

Henry Wangwhat is the difference between 'continue doing something and continue to do something. should we use it according to the different situation.

word-choice
I don't see a difference (in meaning) between the two. Does anyone?
This answer relies on using continue in the sense of resume. It's a valid sense of continue - see definition 2. But is the case about the difference more stated than made?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
9:43 AM
There are probably syntactical differences, like I doubt people would typically use consecutive gerunds if they could avoid it but I can't presently see a semantic one. I mentioned something about it in the reviewer's chat-room by mistake.
Then again do [gerund] isn't any better.
 
Fast Snail
Fast Snail
hi
is it ok to say "please see my attached cv"?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
10:36 AM
@FastSnail Yes.
 
 
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Mitch
Mitch
12:41 PM
2 hours later...
 
Mitch
Mitch
1:36 PM
Which is to say...
An old question, edited to push to the top is about reneg
The 'official' etymology is that it was a 15thc neologism from late Latin 'renegare'.
That just seems way too convenient to me.
Also I have my own opinion, that it is an abbreviation for 'renegotiate'.
Mine sounds like a folk etymology, but here are my reasons:
 
GreatBigBore
GreatBigBore
Wow, @Mitch, coincidentally, I just saw your post about reneg. I never thought of it that way, but I like it!
 
Mitch
Mitch
- 'reneg' is not in most dictionaries
again this is against web search data, but is my personal recollection of having looked it up in paper dictionaries before there was the internet
 
GreatBigBore
GreatBigBore
Does renegare carry the negative connotation of reneg?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@GreatBigBore I'm not that familiar with LL to say what the real connotations of renegare are. That explanation is very plausible and sounds authoritative because 1) in the OED, 2) Latin!
which, being scientifically suspicious, sounds too convenient to me
 
GreatBigBore
GreatBigBore
@Mitch quod satis est ad me!
 
Mitch
Mitch
1:44 PM
@GreatBigBore negare is pretty negative (if it literally means 'deny' then certainly)
 
GreatBigBore
GreatBigBore
I'm sure Cicero is spinning in his grave
 
Mitch
Mitch
@GreatBigBore wait...which post? I'm looking at al the 'reneg' questions, almost forming an additional answer for them, almost expecting to see a previous answer of mine, but I don't. Do you have a link?
 
Mitch
Mitch
1:59 PM
Back to reasons:
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
@Mitch You mean 'renege'?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@KitZ.Fox or that. I consider it an alternate spelling.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Huh. OK.
 
Mitch
Mitch
1) reneg not in paper ddictionaries or in E-to-Foreignlanguage dictionaries.
(i.e. it is slang)
(online dictionaries will put -anything- in them)
2) it sounds like an abbreviation.
3) all the situations where 'reneg' works, 'renegotiatie works (slightly metaphorically)
4) invoking latin for a non-word seems overkill
So 'renegare' is holding the dripping knife over the body, but there are bloody sneaker marks running away from the scene.
Also, an analogy is the dumbest justification for an argument, but the most convincing to people in the absence of any actual facts.
Also, to me it's pretty obvious that all those people saying that people are stupid/uneducated for thinking reneg is racist are stupid/uneducated. Also stupid uneducated for thinking this is ironic.
@KitZ.Fox Because 'renege' should be pronounced 'renedge' based on any interpretation of English orthography, and 'renegue' is ungainly.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Racist?
Why? Because it has an n and a g in it?
Because no one ever seems to think vinegar is racist.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
2:17 PM
@Mitch To renege has little to do with renegotiation per se. It's simply breaking a prior commitment, not necessarily seeking to make another.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Lawrence and you have a native English understanding of the Latin connotations of 'renegare'?
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@KitZ.Fox Of course not. If it started with Emacs, well ... :)
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Lawrence It has a lot to do with renegotiating.
@KitZ.Fox there's a continuum.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@Mitch :) I just tuned in.
@Mitch What does renege have to do with renegotiate, except perhaps precipitate it?
 
Mitch
Mitch
also, it is classic linguistic pattern of words getting replaced or modified because of their taboo associations. huh-RASS -> HAIR-us because it sounds too mush like 'ass'
@Lawrence same social situation. when you 'reneg on a deal', you're 'renegotiating the deal', mostly by 'going back on the deal'.
@KitZ.Fox doesn't sound enough like a taboo word.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
2:22 PM
@Mitch Hair-ass is preferable to huh-rass?
@Mitch I guess we don't pronounce it the same.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@KitZ.Fox with the stress on the first syllable, the vowel in the second syllable is reduced to a schwa.
@KitZ.Fox how do you pronounce harass?
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@Mitch I don't understand the American taboo about ass (even if it's not the donkey), given the acceptance of words that are significantly more explicit.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
@Mitch huh-rass.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
How about harassment?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Lawrence harass and banal and uranus are higher register words, and the repronunciation is an attempt to keep them from sounding like low register words.
@KitZ.Fox for harass and harassment, my basic pronunciation is like yours, but the trend is to pronounce them to avoid the 'ASS' syllable, instead unstressed and schwa
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
2:25 PM
@Mitch Wasn't your point that the pronunciation changed in an attempt to avoid the lower register?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Lawrence yes. I think that's what I said.
oops '...keep them from sounding...'
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
@Mitch I was talking about vinegar.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
Yes, let's talk about vinegar. Much more civilised.
:)
@Mitch Well done for getting in before the edit window closed. :)
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
coughs, looks evasive
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@KitZ.Fox Sorry, I sidetracked your discussion. Yes, anything can sound racist / offensive if one tries hard enough, or is sensitised to the subject / sound / etc.
 
GreatBigBore
GreatBigBore
2:35 PM
@Mitch Not sure what we're talking about here. Do you mean my ham-handed Latin and my comment about Cicero? The Latin was in response to your comment about Latin, and the Cicero was a follow-on to my bad Latin
@Mitch Chalk it up to a badly executed attempt at humor. I have to work on my schtick
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Lawrence haha. I didn't do that. some magical rainbow unicorn did that.
Or Kit
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@Mitch It's great to have Ms Fox on your side. :)
 
Mitch
Mitch
@GreatBigBore semper ubi sub ubi
@KitZ.Fox Oh. I don't think vinegar sounds enough that sounds taboo. VIN ih gr, not vuh NIG r
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
shrugs Just saying.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
With the emergence of what some are calling apartheid, but with 'whites' on the less favoured end, this discussion might have a rather sobering reversal.
Do you think people would ever consider the title "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" to be racist purely because the word White is present?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
2:50 PM
It's pretty racist.
Not because of the word though.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@KitZ.Fox Maybe that was a bad example. I was trying to say that some phrases which we don't bat an eyelid at today could become taboo due to social changes.
That's been said before, I know, but I find that sometimes it doesn't hit home until, well, sympathy changes to empathy.
(Please excuse the clichés.)
 
skill patrol
skill patrol
29 mins ago, by Lawrence
Yes, let's talk about vinegar. Much more civilised.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
Very well, then. Speak with skill :) .
 
skill patrol
skill patrol
:-)
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@KitZ.Fox I just got a notification about something on The Nineteenth Byte. I clicked the comment box (to 'upload' my previous message) and it disappeared. Having reviewed the notified message on The Nineteenth Byte, I don't think it's a problem - is there any way of getting that box back for voting?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
3:04 PM
The box disappeared because it is already settled.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
Ah - coincidental, then.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
I think so.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@KitZ.Fox Thanks for clarifying.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
np
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
Nice chatting with you all. I'm off for now. Bye!
 
skill patrol
skill patrol
3:10 PM
cya
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Lawrence sobering only if you're white. Otherwise it is 'those little white kids are so cute playing in the cesspool!'
 
Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ
Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ
not to mention the "trailer parks"
apologies to all those who live in one
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:30 PM
@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ tornado magenets
 
Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ
Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ
indeed @Mitch
 
lifestooshort
lifestooshort
4:04 PM
hey guys, how would I explain to a 4 year old child the meaning of curiosity? I'm looking for an answer thats quite deep and less intuitive.
 
Mitch
Mitch
actually (brings out geek hammer), or maybe just obviously, tornadoes don't care where they go, it's just that mobile homes are actually quite flimsy, so lighter tornado winds mess them up before damage happens to more permanent homes.
@lifestooshort 'being curious means you really really want to know'
for deep and less intuitive, I'd go for more formal definitions like in a dictionary.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
1. I'm surprised to learn the word renege isn't in most paper dictionaries. 2. It's almost always used in the context of simply not honoring an agreement and especially a bet, which scarcely sounds like renegotiation to me. That doesn't mean there's no etymological link, but I'd scarcely be willing to use renegotiate as a substitute...
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet I'm not saying they are identical, just that they are close enough semantically. When some one changes the details of a deal unbeknownst to the others, that in effect is renegotiating (without the discussion usually associated with negotiating).
You do agree that if 'renegotiate' were abbreviated, it would be 'reneg', right?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
4:20 PM
Well it could be rene. or renegot. too, but reneg. is a plausible option too.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet those first too are not likely given English pronunciation.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
That's probably true.
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:40 PM
argh..also 'two'
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
4:52 PM
@Mitch Would you do me a favor and look up the Renege on Merriam-Webster's website and tell me if it's there? The website's not loading for me. I think it should be since it's in the 10th collegiate edition.
If it's on the website, it's probably in through the current 12th edition.
Well, I guess not.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
5:05 PM
@lifestooshort Kids know the innate urge for food they experience when hungry. Or the innate urge, sometimes a desperate urge, to find a bathroom when they need one. Maybe they've experienced real thirst, or air-thirst (if they've held their breath long enough). These can all be described as "appetites". Curiosity is the appetite for knowledge. It's as innate, unmotivated, and constant as hunger (in people who have curiosity).
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
@Mitch ^^^
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
god, I haven't touched a paper dictionary in a decade
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
Oxford paperback dictionary from 2000
pretty common place, if you ask me
@DanBron I have a few :) admittedly I more often use online
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
a great time capsule would be to collect a copy of every meaningful paper dictionary, in every meaningful version, all together
send that 400 years into the future
not just English, but all of them.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I can't speak for Mitch but I must've spelled it wrong earlier 'cause I could've sworn it wasn't on Farlex's website just before now. Maybe I spelled it wrong.
It seems to be in enough dictionaries that I don't have to worry about a conspiracy.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
5:16 PM
renege? that's how I've always spelled it.
never quite confident in how to spell its synonym, welsh (welch?)
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
The problem is most of the time I hear it it's pronounced renig, so I might've spelled it like that.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
I hear re-NEG (as in negative)
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Yeah, that's also an acceptable pronunciation a far less unfortunate one too.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
I've always heard it as /rɪˈneɪɡ/
(renayg)
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
I've never heard a "y" in there
but admitted it's a word I see more often written than spoken
I remember there was a piece on the local news here once which was teased with "Here's a word that sounds super racist -- BUT ISN'T. Join us after the break".
It was about niggardly.
was such a weird topic for a real newscast
like "This just in - Fransisco Franco is still dead"
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
5:20 PM
lol, yeah.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
"here's a piece of non-news"
I wish Perl6 were more well-established already. I'm doing exercises in Matlab and it's just so painful. Clearly showing its age, before broader patterns became clear.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
It's a good bit of sensationalism I suppose.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
@Tonepoet I actually read it as cynical pandering. It pissed me off at the time.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Keep in mind that my primary exposure to the word Sensational is the Holmes stories, so it's not exactly a positive word in my mind. =P
Holmes always complained that Watson's reports were too sensational.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
yeah, but secretly he liked it
if he didn't, he would have browbeat the good dr into compliance
watson was, for the lack of a better word, merely Holmes' publicist
I wish we'd gotten to get to meet Mycroft more
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
5:25 PM
I think he was a bit more than a publicist.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
there is some good work on him in the extended universe, but not enough in the canon
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
At least, in my mind.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Watson was also a good assistant at times. Holmes could count on Watson to not deduce what was going on exactly.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
he's ostensibly more than that, Sherlock's guy friday, his conscience, his aide de campe
but that's all BS in my head
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Which would spoil his plans.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
5:26 PM
because Sherlock was all about the reveal
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Watson just humored him because he liked him.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
because ultimately he was a narcissist
all he wanted was recognition of his powers
and Watson served that role admirably
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
@KitZ.Fox especially in the slash fiction
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
oh gross
they slashed Holmes and Watson?
I mean it makes sense, but boo.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Oh. That's what you mean by slash fiction.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
5:28 PM
oh, well it's a term for sexual fanfiction
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
usually male/male
not always but usually
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
yeah
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
As in Sherlock/Watson fic (see the slash there?)
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I might see how somebody could characterize Holmes as a narcissist, but an egotist he was not.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
@DanBron especially since the BBC series
the latest BBC series
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
5:28 PM
@DanBron Only insofar as women are underrepresented in fiction.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
yeah, everyone went nuts over the skinny guy
with the weird name
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
not listneing lalalalalala
shit. now we must play the game.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
@KitZ.Fox That could be a contributing factor, but I think the male/male aspect has become a core feature of the genre. It's "in the tradition" now.
wait, there's a game about his weird name?
I can never remember the real one.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Englebert Humpetyback.
@DanBron Yes. It's your fault that now we have to play it because you mentioned him.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
5:30 PM
oops
sorry about that
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Billbob Bandersnatch
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I didn't even know slash fiction could refer to anything but homosexual male relations until now...
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
does it have to be <syllable x 2> <syllable x 2> <atch>?
Any other constraints?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
I thought that was strictly gory horror fiction. shrugs
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
That's a slashER film
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
5:32 PM
@DanBron Ish, yes. It's flexible. Silly is preferable.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
or maybe even a slash film? not sure. but not slash fiction.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Slash fiction sounds like shipping to me.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
it is shipping, but mostly gay
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
It is more or less.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
and I think they can cross canons?
(heh)
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
5:33 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure of all the connotations though. Usually just that it's considered squicky.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
I think it's more consciously and deeply erotic
as in, it's mostly about things that throb or gleam
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Deeply erotic sounds pretty good.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
as opposed to like, I don't know, whatver is normal in shipping. Letters and sodas, all that old-fashioned shit.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
@KitZ.Fox shipping is just saying "these two should be in a relationship" slash fic is the imaginary manifestation
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
That seems less like something that would throb and gleam though.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
5:34 PM
glisten, then.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
I think maybe you mean more explicit. Erotic is generally not terribly explicit.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I think some of the content matter might be more objectionable than mere eroticism...
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
Oh, I guess that's fair.
I think of 80s-90s romance novels as "erotic", and they have a lot of throbbing and glistening.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
thinks 'erotic paraphernalia', giggles quietly
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
It might have to do with those "Cloud x Sephiroth" pairings, in which case I'm sure it's more objectionable.
Don't research that if you don't get it already.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
5:37 PM
That reminds me that I was going to get my ears licked today.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
weird, I know my friends and I have fetishized the female characters from the FF games since we were kids (well, pubescent). It honestly never occurred to me women & gay men would do the same with the male characters.
They seem less overtly sexualized to me.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
hahaha
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
Though I guess they show skin too.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
oh.
well, it's true they don't have large breasts, but that's because male secondary sexual characteristics are different.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
Yeah.
When I said "show skin", I was thinking "they can't show cleavage, but they often show pecs or abs"
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
5:39 PM
And if you aren't sexually attracted to men, you wouldn't notice that these traits are also exaggerated.
Also impossibly narrow waists.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
That doesn't really apply to Final Fantasy VII though.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
right. in retrospect it seems silly to have overlooked the possibility.
but that's hindsight for you
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Your whole world just changed in an instant.
:)
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
not really. I'm still in Camp Tifa.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Well, there aren't really any other options in the game if you assume Cloud is heterosexual.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
5:43 PM
There's Aerin or whatever her name is
the one who died (spoiler alert)
That's always been a big divide among teenage boys who played FFVII
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
I don't understand about options relating to sexuality. Is it a sex game or something?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
No, it's more akin to an anime cyberpunk fantasy if anything.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
No, it's which character you crushed on (and therefore wanted he protagonist, Cloud, to date, so you can live vicariously).
The only actual element is you go on one date during the game, and the person you get to go on the date with is determined by how you've interacted with all the characters up to that point.
It's even possible, through enough snubbing of the three women, to end up on the date with the Mr T character
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
There's more to it than that though. I remember there was what is strongly implied to be a brothel in the slums of Midgar: The Honeybee Inn.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
But in that case it's treated as slapstick, as opposed to dating any of the women, which is treated as romance
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
5:49 PM
Wow, I dislike those kinds of games.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
I'm giving you the wrong impression. The whole dating thing is a single cutscene in a much much larger game.
The game
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
The bulk of the game is just standard turn based R.P.G. fare. It virtually set that standard actually.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
itself is a classic, really awesome, RPG
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Meh. I tried 7 and didn't get past the first ... level? It was too linear.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
Really? At the time it felt so open relative to its predecessors and the genre at the time
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
5:53 PM
It opens up somewhat once you leave Midgar.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
Of course by today's open world standards, it's damn railroad track
Yeah, definitely felt freer in the overworld
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
I guess I never got that far. I think I played it around the time I was playing Morrowind, maybe sometime after GTA 3 and it just seemed leaden to me.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Also you don't call the stages levels in an R.P.G. because in that context, the leveling system has more to do with the strength acquisition system. Every time you gain enough experience points, you gain a "level". I think the word more commonly used is Dungeon.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
fair enough.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
I call them "stages". Dungeons have to be ... dungeony. For me.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
6:00 PM
Yeah, that's fair. I'm just saying that's the commonly used word, not the most appropriate one.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
I think I've also seen "areas", as vague as that is.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
It probably has to do with the fact that in many R.P.G. type games one or more of the stages actually is a dungeon, esp. near the beginning.
To be fair, areas makes more sense in some games and contexts. Particularly when you're not spending your time in a distinctive subsection of the world.
It more often applies to action R.P.Gs. though.
'cause those have more of a continuous flow to them.
And also because the over-world can't accurately be described as a dungeon.
 
Dan Bron
Dan Bron
right
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet It's there
@MattE.Эллен You and your 'facts' and 'knowledge' and 'experience'. Also, why did you deface your dictionary with such bright magic marker. For shame. Also probably radioactive.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
6:17 PM
Ah, yeah, I did misspell it the first time. I spelled it as reneg and I should've realized it upon seeing the Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia's definition.
It's probably time to resurrect the C.D.C's. spelling given that character limitations are what they are.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattE.Эллен Also, by using the subtle change in lighting over the page, the time of day and longitude from the declination of the sun, the quality of stomach contents of the picture taker (assuming it's you; I can't know everything), I'm guessing that you can leave for the train 10 minutes later than expected. BR, amirite!
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
@Mitch lol
@Mitch mmmm. Radon paint. It's got a half life, so you don't have two
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
Howdy.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
6:33 PM
Hey howdy.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Mitch Yay! The Pi-th comment :31415939
or close
:31415927 well this is really it. hm...how do you round?
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
@Mitch A pithy remark.
 
TIPS
TIPS
6:54 PM
@Mitch Aaand this message wasn't in this room.
I love it when a joke fails.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Lokk man, I do with what I got
@MετάEd I woodn't deny that
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
@Mitch You're running rings around me, logically.
 
TIPS
TIPS
@Mitch Well, we can play the ancient and pretend pi equals 10^1/2.
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:12 PM
@MετάEd dendrochronometrically
@TIPS 3 cubits and a thumb?
 
TIPS
TIPS
@Mitch If you like
 
Mitch
Mitch
@TIPS I was going for more ancient
 
TIPS
TIPS
You aimed too high.
*ancienter
 
Mitch
Mitch
Here's more ancient: 22/7 (and actually more accurate)
 
TIPS
TIPS
*ANCIENTER
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:16 PM
here's even more ancient: between 3 and 4
here's even more ancient:3
 
TIPS
TIPS
* ANCIENTER
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Ancientest: What's pi?
 
Mitch
Mitch
argh you beat me to it!
 
TIPS
TIPS
> And then: it’s this feeling that is the cause of the renewed xenophobia and nationalism across the western world. It’s this feeling of insecurity and chaos that is igniting the platforms of divisive strong-men like Trump, Erdogan, and Putin. It’s this feeling that has consumed the consciousness of millions of people, and caused them to look at their country through the lens of a fun-house mirror: exaggerating all that is wrong and minimizing all that is right.
I've seen loads of these these days, but this one makes more sense.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Sounds like EL&U.
 
TIPS
TIPS
7:20 PM
Meta.ELU.
Oh BTW, I haven't seen you guys rolling in your meta for a while.
@Kit is there anything special about the featured meta post?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Insofar as it was needed.
I suppose I can unfeature it now.
 
TIPS
TIPS
I thought I had something to add regarding the VLQ flag, esp. since we had a related discussion on Chemistry Meta, but I didn't.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
We had a discussion somewhere about it.
There have been quite a few meta post recently about flags.
Particularly about why flags are declined.
It's like commentgate for the next generation.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Jun 27 at 21:28, by Mitch
Dec 17 '15 at 15:36, by Mitch
people are idiots
@KitZ.Fox Commentgate? Definitely an episode for 'Star Trek: Muppetbabies'
2
ha ha ha. Star Trek isn't like it used to be.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
@Mitch Commentgate is the classification for all meta posts concerning deleted comments.
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:29 PM
revs up old person rant... goes to pee instead
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
I guess we should have a flaggate, but that seems like it means something else.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@KitZ.Fox Oh. I mean of all things to get upset about. But still it feels bad and capricious when it's my effing comment.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Comment?
Comment puis-je laisser un commentaire à la porte?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Now you've started it!
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Car il pleut.
 
tchrist
tchrist
7:30 PM
pour
 
Mitch
Mitch
When it pleuts, it plours.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Quand il pleut, je suis sourde.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Is that like gaining water-weight?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
No, it's just a tin roof.
 
Mitch
Mitch
nice.
 
TIPS
TIPS
7:33 PM
rice.
 
Mitch
Mitch
also, google search box is really getting good at giving answers without even have to search.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Oh. hahaha. I remembered my vocabulary incorrectly.
 
Mitch
Mitch
What is it supposed to be then?
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
7:50 PM
@KitZ.Fox baby don't hurt me...
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
@Mitch sourde. deaf.
 
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