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12:30 AM
Hey guys. Can you confirm something for me please?
I'm under the impression that affirmative answers, in English, have rising pitch, whereas negative answers have falling pitch. Is this always the case?
e.g. "Do you play soccer?" --- "I do" vs. "I don't"
 
 
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1:52 AM
@Mitch Stop posting star bait already! I cannot but click the tiny star.
@ktm5124 I am inclined to agree. Under normal circumstances.
 
2:09 AM
I just did some research. I think it's true.
I found some other interesting examples. Like commands, which use falling intonation.
Or direct address, which uses rising pitch.
 
3:08 AM
@ktm5124 I might say "I don't" with rising pitch, I think.
 
@sumelic What if you phrase it, "No, I don't."
 
3:24 AM
I don't know what is normal there anymore but I'm pretty sure that both are possible.
 
3:59 AM
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RobustoConsider the sentence: You didn't leave the dog in the car, did you? In spoken English, this statement may be spoken with a rising intonation or a falling one. If the former, it suggests that leaving the dog in the car is a bad thing, and might even suggest incredulity and consternation on ...

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4:45 AM
What do we call it when someone lies by choosing their words very carefully?
For example. Let's say you're short, and someone calls you a shrimp.
You tell them, "Hey, you just called me short!"
They say, "No, I did not call you short."
It's technically true because they called you a shrimp, but it's really a lie of omission.
 
@ktm5124 Hmm... I think it can rise then fall or just, but neither I do or I don't normally keeps rising (and when it happens it would sound like I do? or I don't?), if I'm not mistaken.
 
Oh, I think you might be right.
So both affirmative and negative answers have falling intonation, correct?
That makes sense, since statements generally have falling intonation.
 
I think it usually rises up a little, then falls.
 
5:01 AM
I find it interesting to think that pitch is used as punctuation marks in speech.
Think about it. Conversation has no punctuation marks. So how do we punctuate the ends of sentences or questions? Falling or rising pitch.
Yes-no questions are punctuated by rising pitch, whereas most statements are punctuated by falling pitch.
I wonder if, without this, it would all just be babble.
 
5:17 AM
@ktm5124 "Uptalk" is quite common nowadays, too.
 
Interesting, never heard of that.
 
 
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6:40 AM
Earlier on, I asked, "What do we call it when someone lies by choosing their words very carefully?"
I've come up with two candidates: prevaricate or equivocate.
But I'm not sure which one is better suited.
 
 
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9:35 AM
@ktm5124 It doesn't seem like either of those refer to lying per-se. Equivocate seems closer though, since it seems more deceptive to use words with multiple interpretations and hope the wrong one is selected, than to just dodge answering a question.
 
 
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11:13 AM
hi everyone
 
11:33 AM
Hi.
 
Hi Lawrence
Can I ask for little help quickly please?
 
You can ask. No promises about answers :) .
 
fair enough :)
it is simple
 
Oh, and I think you wanted a little help. If you're asking for little help, it means you don't really want it. Or something like that.
 
I'm looking for a phrase to say "possibility of visibility inside the enclosed space"
thank you for the correction!
this phrase sounds awkward i know
but that is the meaning i'm looking for
 
11:36 AM
What's the context?
 
possibility of visibility
 
"Might be seen"
 
it is about people working in enclosed spaces
the person standing outside the enclosed space needs to have an unobstructed view of the inside
 
"Could be spotted"
 
so in case anything goes wrong he can react
yes but I need a noun phrase
 
11:37 AM
Place it in a sentence.
 
I need to describe the position
The position of the person outside the tank needs to ensure the possibility of visibility of the inside of the tank.
 
It sounds like you're not after the possibility of visibility. You're after guaranteed visibility.
 
yes
any way I could put it in this sentence construction
I may try another sentence it is the full sentence I'm looking for
 
Is it the person outside the tank that does the 'ensuring', or the person inside the tank?
 
A person needs to be posted at the entrance of the tank, and have full visibility of the inside of it.
no i'm referring to the position
needs to be able to view the inside of the tank
from the place where he is positioned
 
11:41 AM
He must be positioned with line of sight to the swimmer at all times.
 
thank you Lawrence
 
Or: the swimmer must be in view at all times.
You're welcome.
 
or maybe the inside of the tanks must be visible all the time?
tank*
the tank is empty and people inside are doing some repairs on it
 
Between can be an adverb, and in between can function as a preposition. — Færd 1 hour ago
 
 
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1:31 PM
Do you use defended in this sense? :
- Hey my little sister!
- Hey. I'm not little anymore BTW.
- Don't get defended; I didn't mean it that way.
 
No, defensive.
 
Thanks.
 
2:06 PM
So there's 'to be disingenuous' or also 'dissemble'
 
2:27 PM
is history a story to which you say hi? oh.. lame :) ignore me
 
2:39 PM
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ftfy
 
2:52 PM
WHY HAVEN’T YOU SLACKERS SPAM FLAGGED THAT INTO OBLIVION YET?
 
3:06 PM
hey
 
hey @Rejlan
 
hello Dan
 
what's up?
 
looking for some help as always :)
Can you take a moment and help me with a phrase
a sentence
 
go ahead
 
3:08 PM
thank you
 
in the meantime, I just saw this headline in my local neighborhood rag: "
Stolen Apple Products are 'Easy' Money, Fedora-Clad Burglar Tells Police". Can someone be "hat-clad"? Doesn't seem right to me.
 
:)
ok here is the sentence
When the equipment has been checked and it has been found that it hasn't been degassed, report is made to the manager.
that is a mouthful
 
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and I don't have a clue how i can say that in less words that that
 
I’ve made a tagsyn request on to link it to .
 
3:11 PM
that is a lot of has beens which I just don't know how to reduce to a meaningful sentence
 
Since that one has the wrong tag.
 
"We checked the equipment and reported to management that it hasn't been degassed"
 
yes but I need to put it as a sort of a provision in a statute
 
@tchrist Is [vocabulary] really a synonym of [swr]? If so, I'd say let's just burninate [vocabulary]
@RejlanGivens What constraints does that impose on the language?
 
it has the meaning like "In situations when the equipment has been checked and it has beeen..then..
 
3:12 PM
THat it must be in the passive voice, for example?
Why don't you write out the whole paragraph and tell me which parts need ficing up?
*fixing
 
it needs to refer to a kind of situation not something that we have done
that's the whole thing, it is a line from procedures I'm translating
I have another one, which is also
 
"When equipment has been checked and found to be degassed, a report must be filed with management"
 
cumbersome and I have trouble with that one too
that is great Dan
I'm not going to ask you do my homework, but if you are not bored i have one more
and it is about vocabulary
 
go ahead
I'm not very busy right now
 
thank you Dan
 
3:15 PM
avoiding doing my machine learning coursework...
 
good for me :)
I'll take it then i'm helping you here too
keeping you away from that
here's the sentence
 
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The officer issuing the permit is observant of the explosive level considerations, such as when detection of potentially dangerous atmosphere, in which the flash point of the product is higher than the ambient temperature, is not possible.
 
oh gross
 
i know
:)
i wanted to ask about "observant of ..considerations"
not about the whole thing
and also I'm not sure if this "is not possible" comes too late in the sentence to even be understandable what it refers to
 
3:17 PM
@DanBron What kind of machine learning are you studying?
 
"The officer issuing the permit must ensure that explosive conditions, such as when when the flash point of the product exceeds the ambient temperature, cannot occur"
@Lawrence Various linear and logistic regressions, just wrapped up some neural network stuff
@Lawrence You know much about ML? I'm learning it because I just joined a new company and our product focuses on machine intelligence
 
thank you Dan, what do you think of the phrase "observant of ..considerations", is that anywhere close to sounding natural for saying that someone is mindful of rules
or considerations
 
@DanBron Cool. I did some research on a very narrow aspect of machine learning back in the day.
 
@Lawrence oh yeah? how did you find it? what were your purposes?
@RejlanGivens It's just... unweildy
 
thank you Dan
 
3:20 PM
It dealt with understanding trained neural networks at a symbolic level.
Efficiently.
Well, 'technically' efficiently.
 
that's interesting. unblackboxing them, in a sense?
what is your line of work?
 
More efficient than O(2^n), anyway.
 
that sound like a low bar to pass, but I imagine it wasn't so straightforward
 
@DanBron Yes. I've left the ivory tower since then, but am still engaged in new product development.
@DanBron It seems so, but the problem is equivalent to SAT, so any improvement was significant.
What are you doing with the ANNs?
 
Wait, the problem was isomorphic to SAT but you were trying to improve on O(2^N)? Isn't that .. well, impossible?
I mean maybe you could lower the coefficient... well, my CS days are long behind me, what do I know anymore.
I work in the fintech space, selling software products to large banks, exchanges, regulators, asset managers, etc
 
3:25 PM
Dan
 
in this case we're using ANNs to help calculate things like probability of default, loss given default, risk weight assets, etc, all driving towards a more precise and reliable CCAR calc
 
that sounds unwieldy to me :)
joking
 
so banks can have a safe cushion of capital reserves and return unused capital to the shareholders
 
sorry for interrupting the conversation
 
@RejlanGivens Oh, it is:)
 
3:26 PM
:)
for someone who doesn't have a clue about it, sure
 
But it's not as unweildy as trying to help prioritize AML alerts... that's even hairer
no ground truth to work from
 
:)ds
I'll take your word for it
 
@DanBron Heh :) . It turns out that single neurons are not general (see Minski). I exploited that to get a sqrt(n) factor improvement, if I remember correctly. Multilayer networks are more tricky, but I managed to distinguish relevant terms from less relevant ones, and got the more relevant ones out incrementally.
I didn't simplify SAT. :)
 
that's fine, I'm still going to assume you're a genius
 
Thanks. They gave me a Ph.D for it, but it reduces to basic maths, really.
Still took me way too long to complete, though :) .
 
3:29 PM
No one ever bothered to give me a PhD, those jerks
What language or platform did you use? For the sake of this coursework, I've been reintroduced to MATLAB, which I now remember why I both love and hate
 
@DanBron Sounds exciting. With the way banks are being forced to jack up their Tier 1 ratios or whatever, their ability to lend (and hence do business at all) must be under a lot of pressure.
 
For a matrix-oriented language, it sure makes array management inconvenient
It's an ENORMOUS problem for the banks. Which means there's potentially a lot of dough in it for me! I have a big quota to hit...
 
The only comfort to me is
that this would sound equally ununderstandable in Serbian
 
hahaha
 
3:31 PM
Are you saying "This is all English to me!"?
 
@DanBron The back-prop algorithm was implemented in MATLAB, but my extraction algorithm (given a trained neuron or ANN) was implemented in Java (that's version 1, or close to it). The parallel programming constructs were really useful.
 
at least I'm not frustrated because of my English
 
(We say "All Greek to me.")
 
:)
i know
spanish villages
 
@DanBron It's easier to synonymize than to burninate.
 
3:31 PM
španska sela
 
Oh jesus, multithreading in Java v1. You really are a hero.
what does "spanish villages" connote/
 
to be honest I'm not sure
very common phrase when you want to say what i feel right now
about reading your conversation
spanish villages
 
like you're lost in a maze of tiny villages you're completely unfamiliar with?
 
means don't have a faintest idea what you are talking about
may be
 
I love that phrase, gonna co-opt it into English
 
3:33 PM
thank you
 
but I'm going to call it Serbian Villages
 
Spain I've been to, I can find my way around
 
ok one trivia information for you
there is but one serbian word
that comes from serbian and that is used internationally
and it's a vampire
 
vampire is serbian?
that's cool, didn't know that
 
3:34 PM
yeah
even japanese use it
in the seventeenth century
he used it for politiicians
that one comes from serbian
was popularized by Voltaire
 
Etymonline says it comes from Old Church Slavonic
 
I'd know better when it comes to that
:)
 
which I'm only familiar with from one of the cheesiest and campiest horror movies in the American cannon
from the 80s, of course
 
probably
yeah
 
America has just one cannon?
 
3:36 PM
I wish it was some nicer word
if it is only one
 
America has 100,000 canons
 
Hah.
 
*canon
I don't approve of canon being a mass noun. #countifycanon
 
ok guys unless some of you explicitly expresses a desire to do this translation for me
i will have to do it on my own
 
cantons
 
3:37 PM
which means that i have to leave
:)
Dan thank you
and I know that vampire is nowhere near neural something but hope you found it interesting information
bye for now
to refer to them as blood sucking creatures
 
@RejlanGivens When the sentence gets this complicated, it's time to rethink what you're trying to say.
 
@RejlanGivens Bye!
Thanks for the info on vampire
super interesting
now I'm trying to track down the film, which I can barely remember except for how awful it was
 
Signing off for now, too!
 
@DanBron Why would it be a mass noun?
It's not, is it?
Adios, signers-offers!
 
I'm mixing up cannon and canon
but I don't like that the guns (cannon) are a mass noun
I want to say 14 cannons, not 14 cannon
 
3:50 PM
No, no, not canon, you're thinking of that prickly plant.
 
a cactus?
 
No, not cactus, you’re thinking of that Roman feline.
 
I'm thinking I'm both lost and outclassed
If I could earn more daily up/down/closevotes to cast, instead of rep, I'd answer more.
But no way is it worth it to put the effort in to accumulate 1K rep for 1 measley extra vote
 
No, no, not cattus. You're thinking of a friend of horsehair.
@DanBron None of us individually should have more votes. The thing about crowdsourcing is you need a crowd to decide.
 
@Cerberus plus ça laisse tomber, plus c’est le même plombé
 
3:59 PM
@tchrist Mon aéroglisseur est plein d'anguilles.
@tchrist Come rovinare una bella spiaggia si canta incenso calma.
 
baguette champagne robespierre surrender
 
@MετάEd Como el mariquita se peina en su peinador de seda.
 
4:25 PM
@DanBron Mmm I don't think cannon is a mass noun?
Isn't it a plural?
One cannon, two cannon.
One fish, two fish.
One craft, two craft.
A mass noun is an uncountable noun.
Like water.
One water, two water.
A water, a cannon.
 
Hello
 
How're you?
 
La chouette significative klaxonne dans la nuit.
 
Fine thanks, and you?
 
4:32 PM
I'm good :) What're you doing?
 
math, how about you?
 
4:56 PM
(let's all {do) math}.
 
Hello
Anyone here can recommend me any fantasy films?
I've seen just Harry Potter.
 
@Cerberus An irregular plural then
 

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