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@MattE.Эллен Oh... hm... that's an interesting idea. Sort of like a coach but with more power? Do this, don't do that?

@Mitch like the hand of god

@MattE.Эллен sort of. see @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇's comment about celibacy.

@MattE.Эллен but with many more fingers?

God is kinda weird like that.

@MattE.Эллен The cards are pretty. anyway I was saying the self modifying code is ugly.

I'm just making up reasons not to like Pokemon and MtG. The worst thing about those games is the investment by the parents in visiting gaming stores and paying out the nose for packs of cards that end up not having the special card being hoped for.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You've never played Tyrant?

5:17 PM

@Cerberus nope

@Mitch yeah

MtG is an expensive addiction

Nomic is free.

@Mitch The literal translation of no problem doesn't work in Farsi. :)

Because no one ever bothers to play it.

Also the fights

@Færd what is wrong with the literal translation?

And how would you translate it right? And also, if different, what would you say to replace it (not necessarily have similar words)?

I'd say no problem (in Farsi) when someone thinks there might be a problem.

5:32 PM

you mean an englishism?

What's that?

@Mitch No.

Something like that exists in Persian.

@Mitch It was nothing would be better. (قابلی نداشت)

@PhMgBr Right.

@PhMgBr I'm not asking for a translation of the translation, I'm asking for how you say it in Farsi.

"Iradi nadare"

"moshkeli nist"

et cetera

5:36 PM

@PhMgBr that's the one I gave, but Fard said no, it doesn't work in Farsi.

It doesn't work in that context.

what context? There's only one context here.

It's not the best way to answer thank you.

@Færd It certainly is a way.

:-)

Not the best (if it is).

5:37 PM

Let's not bang on the drum of pedantry. (ﾉ＾◡＾)ﾉ︵ ┻━┻

@Mitch Do you know Farsi or did you use Google translate?

So for 'moteshekaran' there's a usual response (if any) corresponding to "you're welcome", is there anything (anything natural) corresponding to 'no problem' 'don't worry about it' 'it was nothing'?

@Færd GT

I'd say the most natural way to reply to that is

قابل نداشت

qabel nadasht

Roughly translates into It was nothing.

@Mitch Oh, and: خواهش میکنم

kha:hesh mikonam

I hope I didn't confuse you!

@PhMgBr Wouldn't you agree these are better?

Nope.

They're all equally acceptable.

5:53 PM

If only there was a Farsi corpus, I'd prove you otherwise.

@Færd excellent! thanks! merci!

No problem :)

@Færd Something being more common doesn't mean it's more acceptable.

I mean I'd draw examples and show in what context each one is used.

If something is rarely heard, so a sizable portion of native speakers haven't heard it, then there's the debate of acceptability and unacceptability.

@Færd Meh, I think people use them interchangeably these days.

Providing that they do answer "thank you"s.

5:58 PM

@PhMgBr مشکلی نیست is something I'd probably say to a junior, if I'd ever use it.

The others I'd use more freely.

@Færd google indexing of farsi (or any) web pages is sort of a corpus, but just not publicly available

@Mitch Well, one of the problems here is that Spoken Farsi and Written Farsi are not so close as Spoken and Written English are.

word pairs is hard because it takes ... something ... to differentiate those with common but non-constituent pairs.

We can't just rely on written sources to understand how Farsi speakers speak.

eg in chinese where most 'words' are really pairs of chars.

@Færd good point but that's also somewhat opinion based or decidable by subjective non-verifiable introspection.

6:03 PM

I think searching in Farsi chat rooms would be a good way to solve this particular problem.

Or somewhere that there are actual exchanges like this: A: Thank you B: ......

@Mitch OK, let's say we haven't measured how close they are yet.

6:21 PM

Ugh

Duplicate still isn't closed

When an alert is "spoiler" kind? I heard several times "spoiler alert" in movies. What's that? What's its different with only alert?

@Shafizadeh a spoiler alert is a warning that what is about to be disclosed will "spoil" a book/movie/tv-show/story by revealing something you're meant to discover while watching/reading

often the words "spoiler alert" are uttered too late to prevent spoiling, or as a protest that someone else should have warned listeners about spoilers.

are you asking what "spoiler" means, what "alert" means or if there's a special meaning when they're put together?

Often the words 'spoiler alert' come right before a spoiler

and there is nothing you can do to stop it...

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 personally I've only encountered that phrase as a preemptive warning, if it's too late usually one just says "hey, spoilers!" or "don't spoil X!"

6:25 PM

ow ... I see. thx guyes @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 @Ixrec @DeltaEscher

@Shafizadeh Run if you hear it

Now the SJW (spoiler-alert justice warriors) are trying to censure all society so that people can't talk about movies or tv-shows without warning everyone everywhere. It's a police state.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not to be confused with Social Justice Warriors

AKA Tumblr Butthurt Warriors

SFF.SE had a problem after The Force Awakens came out where all the question titles were things like "Why did this character do this thing?" because everyone was trying so hard to spoil NOTHING

@DeltaEscher yeah if I didn't know about "SJW" I wouldn't have been able to make that joke would I

6:27 PM

Joke's on you

I don't like Star Wars

neither does the most active mod on the site =)

It doesn't appeal to me either.

Oh, oops. Hello.

in The Frying Pan, yesterday, by Rand al'Thor

Alec Guinness (aka Obi-Wan) thought it was a load of fairy-tale rubbish too.

@Ixrec I've seen it used as a joke, or ironically, or as a sort of apology... "So then it turns out Rosebud is a sled. Oh, spoiler alert."

The only space movie I enjoyed was The Martian

And barely

yeah, the joke is that it's supposed to come before

6:28 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

I was totally going to watch that 50 year old movie

SPOILERS

Ohh you're balls.

I see it now.

fortunately, Citizen Kane is not diminished at all even if you know about the sled in advance

Yup

reddit.com/r/polandball

Comics of flags represented by countries

I am aware of the phaenomenon.

Cool

It's a serious thing now

Some of the stuff is way too realistic for its roots

6:32 PM

@DeltaEscher yeah, uh, that movie was 50 before you were born.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Probably longer

you should still watch it

Maybe

I don't really enjoy movies

I more enjoy people making fun of movies

fair enough

What's everyone favorite bad movie?

Birdemic will always be the best for me

user204373

6:35 PM

Good question for /r/AskReddit/

/r/dankmemes

user204373

I love reading /r/shittyadvice/ so hilarious.

Same with the Life Advice Lamp twitter

Having trouble losing weight?

Eat more!

Your body will work harder to digest those extra calories

/r/outside is the best

They pretend the entire reality is a video game

Favorite question: "How does the 'Vegan' perk help my character?"

Voting to close this chat as "too broad"

@PhMgBr lol. You must be new here.

6:40 PM

Voting to close your ugly mug as off-topic

zing

voting to vote votes voted

But seriously that mug is ugly

You're a guy and it says '#1 Mom'

@PhMgBr Wait, there are grrls here?

@DeltaEscher longer than before you were born? How does that work? It already encompasses pretty much all of time since the big bang.

@tchrist Too, not two.

And isn't the plural -s?

6:44 PM

@Cerberus Mislink?

My favorite hobby sometimes is just reading through backlogs and tagging along conversations using pings

@tchrist he's explaining your deliberate misunderstanding

@tchrist I thought you were talking about broads.

Aye wuss.

Then what's with this "mislink"?

You mislunked?

6:47 PM

He missiled you

No, I couldn't understand where I said two or used a non- -s plural.

The word 'too' sounds like 'two'

And it's a joke

It doesn't have to make sense

Too broad ≠ two broads, was my suggestion.

Since Tom mentioned girls.

Me? Never!

Tell us some Latin homophone jokes.

Two Latin homophones go into a gay bar....

6:49 PM

What does cellular communications with those who identify their marital status with those of the same gender have to do with jokes?

I love abstract humor, but...

Is this about sex?

loses thread

Isn't everything

For the sake of the teenager right here, let's not get graphic

genera maritals

user204373

Oh, I read a sentence today that had the word "sex" like five consecutive times. It was a garden path and I couldn't interpret it.

6:51 PM

Gender?

user204373

tries to find it

Quinisextine quintets?

Yes. I am thirteen and what is this

I am twelve and i understand all of this

i'm not actually twelve but i am pretending to be

because this is the internet

You're not a teenager then

7:01 PM

and the internet has no consequences

I am a teenager though.

What's a 'tween'?

a preteen is 10/11/12, right?

yup

is a tween like 12 and a half?

Preteen: 10/11

Tween: angstily 12

no. I do not accept that redefinition.

there is a perfectly good word for 12 and that is preteen.

or 12.

which suffices

I don't care if you're the messenger

shoots

@DeltaEscher I hardly knew her!

7:04 PM

@Mitch ha

that never gets not old.

@MattE.Эллен votes against

user204373

Asking a good question on the main site is a matter of luck I guess. I asked a question and got a lot of shit for that. Meh it doesn't matter, got some good answers anyway.

@Mitch negative. noodle.

user204373

Sorry wrong SE.

@freebird Too late. We're invested now

user204373

7:09 PM

Good then :)

also, we're all swarming over all the other chats you're in.

user204373

Sure, you are welcome.

user204373

Only talking here at the moment.

@MattE.Эллен I'm sensing a pasta thing going on here.

A: are you there?
B: (there or here ?) I am!

user204373

7:17 PM

You can simply respond with "yes" too.

user204373

"Are you there?" "Yes"

user204373

Or "Yes I am here"

@freebird Ah ok thx

@Shafizadeh 'Here I am'

For yourself, you're always 'here' because you are the closest thing to yourself, and 'here' means 'close to me'

7:39 PM

@Mitch I'm pasta caring

@Mitch Nice explanation .. thx

8:25 PM

Is this sentence correct?

I believe SO should append a new option into flag window: "OP is unseen and he don't answer the comments"

it's pretty close

"append into" doesn't sound right, I'd probably use "add ... to the ..." in this case

Ah ok

the "OP is..." part could be better worded too but I'm not sure if talking about that would be me criticizing your hypothetical (?) SO feature request versus checking your English

SMSvonderTann

8:59 PM

1

Poetry

Proposed Q&A site for poets and poetry enthusiasts.

Currently in definition.

10:09 PM

when we say a browser 'tab', for you it's the small rectangle handle at the top, or it's that + all the corresponding window?

I think that one's ambiguous

in our UX standards at work we always use a different term to refer to the rectangular content placed beneath and designated by a specific tab

hmm which term then?

i.stack.imgur.com/ROgZ3.png < in brief

is it the 'tab' of a browser window, or the window of a browser tab ? worded differently

Why English people always use "out" word at the end of their sentence?
- Did this word out?
- I will check it out.
- Oh, I figured it out.

@Shafizadeh the first sentence doesn't make any sense

english likes prepositional verbs I guess

*work

10:19 PM

there's nothing special about "out" at the end of sentences, what you have there are the verbs "check out" and "figure out"

and it's valid to put "it" in front of the preposition (because English hates consistency)

Ah .. I see