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12:25 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I can't make this thing work. I don't want to brick it by accident, but I also can't seem to get it to mount so that I can install something useful on it.

Kit Z. Fox

1:06 AM

So I need an SD card to mount it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that. But I can't get the sync manager to recognize it.

Kit Z. Fox

1:46 AM

So...CyanogenMod maybe?

Kit Z. Fox

2:12 AM

I guess maybe the device is too old. I can't find any way to make it work.

Cerberus

2:24 AM

@Mitch Or, perhaps, they could just ignore whatever I do with my body!

Mitch

2:42 AM

@Cerberus Now you're just making everyone curious. How do you contort your body like that?

SmokeDetector

2:56 AM

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Cerberus

@Mitch I decide to go in three different directions at once, that usually does it.

Rathony

4:43 AM

One more close-vote please. english.stackexchange.com/questions/300760/…

sumelic

7:41 AM

@Shafizadeh: "Did everything come out alright" is the one I've heard before. But it's a joke

Shafizadeh

10:52 AM

@sumelic I see, tnx

Shafizadeh

11:07 AM

I want to tell someone "please be online" or "please get online". how should I say him?

"get online" is correct?

(He is offline now)

Rathony

11:44 AM

Close-vote, please. english.stackexchange.com/questions/302076/…

Dupe. english.stackexchange.com/questions/302113/…

Another dupe. english.stackexchange.com/questions/302117/word-for-music-phile

Proof-reading request, english.stackexchange.com/questions/302121/warning-expression

Cerberus

12:55 PM

@Shafizadeh If you mention a time at which he should be online in the future, then please be online at 18.00 is perfect.

I you don't mention a time, that means you want him to go online immediately? Then please get online will work.

Or come online, go online.

Danu

1:37 PM

Hi all

I've got a short question: I'm trying to find a more elegant way of expressing the following. "[Complicated object]'s are mapped to [complicated object]'s"

I'm typing up some notes, and the lecturer uses "[Complicated object]'s are mapped to such."

But I don't feel certain that this is correct, grammatically.

Any guidance?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:54 PM

@KitZ.Fox I need more details, such as, what kind of phone, and what you're trying to do that might brick it.

@Danu Grammatically, it should be [Complicated objects] not [Complicated object]'s

Danu

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure, but I'm sure you understand that that's not the point of my question.

Replace [...]'s by "Homotopies of paths relative to their endpoints"

Mitch

@Danu Does the lecturer mean that the objects are mapped to themselves?

The way the lecturer said it sounds a little weird but works just fine. I wouldn't take it as a pattern to emulate, in math or elsewhere, because there are other ways of saying it. YOu don't want to repeat the entire long sequence of aulifiers that define the set of objects, because the second time around, you're looking to see if it is different from the first time. That's why the lecturer uses 'such' which can (rarely) act like a pronoun.

Danu

@Mitch No, to objects of the exact same type.

Homotopies of paths relative to their endpoints are lifted to homotopies of paths relative to their endpoints.

Mitch

but you should say 'the set of X maps to itself' or automorphism or something like that.

Danu

@Mitch So you're saying it's correct?

@Mitch See above; this is not the case.

Mitch

2:07 PM

I'm saying it's weird, but doesn't sound like a foreignism. I'm not going to go so far as to say it is incorrect.

Danu

In case you know some algebraic topology, this is about how homotopies lift (to covering spaces).

Mitch

@Danu but it sounds like the case to me from what you've described

"so the set A of homotopies of .... bah blah blah ... endpoints are lifted to A"

Danu

@Mitch No, it's mapping homotopies between maps into $X$ to homotopies between maps into $E$.

@Mitch No.

Mitch

?? how is that different?

forget the long description.

you're not asking about the long description.

Shafizadeh

@Cerberus Ah I see. thanks

Danu

2:10 PM

Never mind. The objects are not the same, please just take that on good faith :)

Mitch

you're asking about how to say "A are mapped to A"

Danu

No.

I'm asking how to say $A$, which has property $B$, is mapped to $X$, which also has property $B$.

Mitch

Then you didn't explain yourself.

"[Complicated object]'s are mapped to [complicated object]'s""

Danu

@Mitch Sure, I'll give you that much ;)

I'm sorry about that.

I was trying to simplify things too much.

Mitch

@Danu OK Good...it looks like you came up with a better way.

Danu

2:12 PM

@Mitch This is not what I'm looking for, but I guess I'll just stick with the way the lecturer put it.

Mitch

also, that is a subtler situation. and you want to make it obvious about the subtle situation.

@Danu Is this accurate? Then define your sets A and X by properties.

and both sets happen to have the same property B

If the properties are complicated then set up the descriptions in stages (that's what a proof does).

Are you working from a recording? And do you want to preserve how the lecturer says it? Then use the words the lecturer uses.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:28 PM

@Danu Is the point that you don't like the use of "such" as a pronoun? As a stand-alone sentence, I feel it is unacceptable, because I don't know what "such" refers to, but otherwise, grammatically, it's acceptable.

Danu

@Mitch No and no.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Thanks.

@Mitch Please don't try to modify the mathematical content; I'm not looking to change that ;) Your whole confusion just arises because I'm not providing you the 3+ pages of preparation for this statement.

(but thanks for your concern!!)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Danu It's difficult to make the sentence more comprehensible if we don't know what the sentence is supposed to mean.

Mitch

@Danu replace the complicated objects by simple single variables. That's how you make it understandable. trying one big monolithic statement may be taxing. good proving is good teaching.

Danu

@Mitch It's not a big monolithic statement in the context of these notes.

What I mean to say is: The content and clarity of the sentence is not what I'm asking about. I was just interested in the grammatical correctness.

Everybody seems to agree that it's just fine, so there is no problem.

Mitch

Well, 'just fine' is a little strong, it sounds weird. Also, it may mean something different from intended: 'mapped to such' makes it sound like a map to itself.

Rathony

2:42 PM

Duplicate, english.stackexchange.com/questions/302117/word-for-music-phile

I am 100% sure it is a dupe, but I don't bother. Lack of research. english.stackexchange.com/questions/302134/…

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So after many hours of trying anyway, this is what I figured out: It's a US Cellular HTC Desire (cdma), which is why nothing will work on it. I also finally managed to locate the name of the file that I could use to upgrade to Android 2.2, but the link is dead.

So I might contact HTC and ask them for the file, or I might not bother. We hooked the boys' iPads up to our new Sonos speaker, and that's been pretty exciting for them. They have their own Pandora accounts now too.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox Ah. What do you intend to use it for? Because a phone that old is pretty limited now.

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Camera and music player.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox Can it not do that already?

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I can't figure out how to install a new music player on it. I could use the integrated one, but it's not very good.

And it would be nice if I could put the Sonos controller on it, but that might not be possible anyway.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:50 PM

@KitZ.Fox yeah, it might be too old to use the app store anymore

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It doesn't have the app store. That was introduced with 2.2.

Hence the need to upgrade it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I am pretty cavalier with old devices like that so I'd just try to upgrade it to CM but there is a risk of bricking.

CM will get you gingerbread (2.3)

Kit Z. Fox

The other one (my husband and I had matchign phones back then) has 2.2 but it's not recognizing the network. I would do a factory reset, but then I think I lose 2.2.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

no, I don't think you will lose the OS updates

it's not that kind of factory reset

well

at least on any phones I've used factory resets didn't wipe out OS updates

Kit Z. Fox

Maybe I will try that. It seems there isn't a Gingerbread mod for the cdma phones.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:52 PM

I haven't tried it on an old HTC

wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Bravoc_Info

There is

at least, I think that's it

Kit Z. Fox

Oh right. I looked at that and downloaded it last night.

I can't remember why I couldn't root it. No SD card, I think.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah an SD card is critical. AND you'll probably find that the thing still runs out of internal storage

because lots of things can't run from the SD card.

Kit Z. Fox

Right, which is one reason to root it iirc.

Because then you can change some of that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah... sorta.

Kit Z. Fox

Oh that's right. I can't do Gingerbred until Froyo is installed.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:54 PM

but re: cdma/non-cdma mods: if you don't plan to use the phone as a cell phone, you don't need a cdma mod. I am 90% sure that a non-CDMA mod will boot, but the phone hardware won't work.

Kit Z. Fox

Good to know. I would prefer to shut off the phone hardware entirely.

I just want a small touch-mobile device for the boys to play with.

Oh right and I can't get the Revolutionary thing that I need.

I was up for hours trying to figure things out. It was pretty annoying.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah there is a window of time when the modding community and the hardware vendors support a phone and I think your phone might be past its due date.

You could try the XDA forums, maybe someone there has links that still work.

Kit Z. Fox

I looked around there. I found several that were promising, but none that panned out.

But today, I am trying to stay away from the rabbit holes.

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