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1:19 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: Verb meaning 'giving people shit'. by dwjohnston on english.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

2:45 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Verb meaning “giving people ****” by dwjohnston on english.stackexchange.com

tchrist

8:10 AM

Is there a janitor in the house?

skill patrol

spill on isle 4?

tchrist

Yes.

But they're all asleep, and haven't been here for a long while. Except nohat in California, who crashed 4h ago.

skill patrol

Yeah, 9 hours is unusually long...

tchrist

Is it a bank holiday in Europe or something?

skill patrol

dunno pal

tchrist

8:24 AM

I should not be awake.

But I have to carpool to the airport with people with earlier flights.

skill patrol

Tinnitus keeping you awake?

tchrist

No, I had to get up now.

June has been conference month for me.

I'm so glad that will finish up today and I don't have to go to any others.

I'm still in in Pittsburgh.

skill patrol

Oh, I didn't know.

tchrist

And I was in Salt Lake City two weeks ago. And was a victim of a crime.

skill patrol

Really?

tchrist

8:28 AM

Just want to go home.

Yes.

Car broken into in the hotel's "secure" parking lot and everything stolen.

Not a rental car.

No warnings.

skill patrol

Ouch :(

Damn vandals

tchrist

I specifically asked for a safe place to park. They knew there were breakins. They directed me there and said nothing.

skill patrol

Trust no one

tchrist

Getting that way.

skill patrol

They call that the first law of the street.

The streets are like a jungle in the big cities

Survival of the fittest

They parents had their house broken into and all their jewelry stolen last year.

tchrist

8:37 AM

Humans suck.

skill patrol

Yep.

tchrist

And lie.

And break their oaths.

skill patrol

And cheat.

And kill for money.

tchrist

And are incompetent at their own incompetence, which I cannot abide.

skill patrol

Yeah, nobody wants to admit that.

But having malicious intent is something else.

tchrist

8:52 AM

Time to fly.

skill patrol

Enjoy your flight :-)

Robusto

11:21 AM

Yes, that is infuriating. We just had our house "energy checked" to find out if we qualify for a big government rebate on a new furnace. The idiots had my name spelled wrong on the email and I pointed that out and gave him a new, "easy" alias email to use. I made him cross out the old one and write in the new one on the form.
So a month later, when we still haven't gotten his report, I email him and he emails back that he sent it to [the original, wrong address] and to check the spam folder. Good thing you can't slap people through email.

I mean, we had significant dialogue about how the wrong email address wouldn't get to us, and to use the new, simple, easy-to-understand one that I gave him.

I must conclude that people are stupid.

RegDwigнt

11:56 AM

That's because they are not drinking enough electrolytes.

tchrist

12:26 PM

I hate the sound barrier.

I see there are eight flags on Mr I-don't-give-a-shit.

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Q: Should swearing be allowed in titles?

I can't find a hard policy on this issue. Here are a couple of relevant questions: Is swearing allowed in questions? Referencing the existence of words that may be offensive Some quotes from the accepted answers: 1. Not only do I think that a person should be able to discuss an offensive ...

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Q: Verb meaning “giving people shit”

I'm looking for a specific verb that mean 'giving people shit' (as in teasing them, keeping them honest). It needs to capture that the teasing is warranted, and that the criticism is correct.

single-word-requests verbs offensive-language

Do I really have to edit the damned thing again?

Or should I rabble rouse six offensive flags? :)

terdon

I would, but I don't really give a shit. Let the meta discussion play out.

RegDwigнt

> What does “I thought that I loved ” means?

Sweet mother of Abraham.

terdon

Ah! A mod, Reg can edit it!

@tchrist apparently, the OP does give a shit and has edited the title accordingly.

tchrist

12:43 PM

I have a policy to edit things only once.

If someone reverses my edit, I never "try again".

Cerberus

Same here.

Of course I am against petty censorship, so I say just leave it as it is.

terdon

@Cerberus Yeah, but I understand censoring the titles. Since some people are apparently quite easily offended, there's no need to antagonize them by including profanity in the titles. Censoring out of the actual posts is silly of course.

tchrist

The issue is that SE can get network-banned by nannywear for stupid things like profanity in titles.

terdon

Yup

RegDwigнt

12:59 PM

I posted two walls of text explaining the policy. That should be enough for everyone.

And a video.

Am I not lovely.

tchrist

Shitty video.

RegDwigнt

It looks like you are trying to write "cunting retarded video". Do you need any help with that?

tchrist

My language has of late become much more laden with expletives. I blame slings and arrows.

And idiots.

RegDwigнt

Oh yeah. Idiots are horrible. Only people are worse.

tchrist

Today's project is somehow merging multiple localization lexicons sanely in the face of possible collisions. I rather think I'm simply going to throw up my hands and toss a profane exception if there are duplicate msgid strings that map to different msgstr translations across related lexicons in the same LANG.

RegDwigнt

1:10 PM

I can recommend drinking.

Scratch that. I will recommend drinking.

tchrist

That does seem a sensible solution to nonsense.

RegDwigнt

It is the solution to all of the world's problems. As none other than Homer proclaimed.

Oct 23 '14 at 11:41, by RegDwigнt

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tchrist

@RegDwigнt I claim prior art, for lo these two decades past I long ago found the answer to all man’s problems.

Man there's a lot of chop today.

Hard to type on a plane that thinks it’s a yoyo.

RegDwigнt

1:36 PM

Now look at them yoyos, that's the way you do it. Let me tell you, them guys ain't dumb.

Cerberus

1:56 PM

@terdon I disagree, but people wanted it this way 4 years ago (censor titles but not messages), so I acquiesced. But shit is really not an "offensive" word (God, I hate the word "offensive"; it smacks of intolerance without balance).

terdon

2:15 PM

@Cerberus offensive is in the eye of the beholder. All I'm saying is that not everyone shares your (and my) tolerant view on profanity and censoring the titles seems like a good compromise. A better one would be to have them uncensored on the ELU site but censored in the Hot Questions list and other places where it would appear or, even better, having them censored in the URL (to avoid nanny software) but not in the title we see.

That, however, seems like way too much trouble to be worthwhile.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:29 PM

Or we could stop pandering to broken nannyweb software.

Robusto

nannyweb software?

@Cerberus Now you're being defensive.

@Cerberus p.s. Is it really four years later? Geezis.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This. In order to sabotage the stupid nannies, we should allow "shit" on SE. That way, companies that censor "shit" will lose access to SE and eventually be weeded out in the survival of the fittest. @terdon

@Robusto I think so: I think it was when Kosmo floruit.

(I presume you know the expression.)

Robusto

Yeah. Damn, that seems like just last year.

Cerberus

I know!

Robusto

2:44 PM

@Cerberus I can guess, but I can't say I know it.

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Q: Which is the best?

To be used in an informal context : 1.I think of them as 'suggestions' more than 'corrections'. 2.I don't think they are corrections as such, but more like suggestions. If you can think of any other way to say this, please mention it. Furthermore , if there are any mistakes in the above sentenc...

grammaticality sentence-patterns

Cerberus

When you refer to a writer, you often mention when he lived.

Robusto

Another "Which is best" question.

@Cerberus Ah, OK.

Cerberus

> Cerberus (2400–2300 BC).

Robusto

Heh. That's when you flowered?

Cerberus

However, often times this is not very relevant, so you want to mention when he "flowered", yes, so what his most productive or important period was.

Robusto

2:46 PM

Normal people go into their dotage in old age. Writers go into their anecdotage.

Cerberus

Heh, many do!

> Cerberus (fl. 2370–2330 B.C.).

RegDwigнt

TIL that tomatoes are officially vegetables by decision of the US Supreme Court. You call it a fruit, you're breaking the law, biologist motherfucker.

Unless, of course, you live in a free country, like I dunno, Russia or Zimbabwe.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt You call it a fruit, for tax/trade purposes, you're breaking the law, tax-evading motherfucker.

FTFY

I know, it's less humorous when you know the context.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt You're safe if you're not importing tomatoes and calling them fruit.

jinx

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Mar 11 '11 at 17:06, by RegDwight

That's the slowest jinx in history.

RegDwigнt

2:55 PM

Jesus Christ stop pretending that I can't read and that you don't know what a joke is.

Robusto

What is this "joke" that you speak of?

I see no jokes on this page.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt The joke is only funny for people who can't read

Robusto

Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? I'm confused . . .

RegDwigнt

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, the joke is only funny for people who don't follow the link. Which, on the internet, comprises EVERYONE.

Robusto

See, @Reg is always complaining about us taking his jokes literally, but when people can detect no humor in a given statement, that's what they do.

RegDwigнt

2:57 PM

@Robusto there is a Supreme Court decision that they do not have to be.

Robusto

Whatever the right side of the decision was, I am fairly certain Clarence Thomas was on the other side.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto when people can't detect humor, they are no people but vegetables. And no Supreme Court will overrule me on that.

Robusto

I don't think that gentleman has ever been on the right side of anything.

RegDwigнt

How about the political spectrum?

Robusto

If the U.S. wanted to bring back slavery and the issue went to the Supremes, I am fairly certain Thomas would even be on the wrong side of that.

RegDwigнt

2:59 PM

Oh.

So... he'd be extremely right, for once.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Well, maybe. He is off in his own dimension or something.

Worst. Supreme. Ever.

RegDwigнt

LOL, you've not seen the Supremes that'll come after him. You're so in for a surprise, biologist motherfucker.

Robusto

In Scalia's case, you can't imagine that at 80 he's got that many more years left. But Thomas could be the doorstop of the SC cloakroom for decades to come.

RegDwigнt

Biology will have to be spelled God. And He will see that it is good.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Stop trying to depress me. Apple already tried that today by insisting on having their own fucking namespace for CSS animations. And they failed, my friend. By god, they failed.

RegDwigнt

3:02 PM

640k namespace should be enough for everyone.

Robusto

> The passages cited from the dictionaries define the word "fruit" as the seed of plaints [sic], or that part of plaints [sic] which contains the seed, and especially the juicy, pulpy products of certain plants covering and containing the seed.

Hmm, what is a plaint? Is it what a plaintiff eats?

RegDwigнt

Whoever a plaint is, I want to be his complaint.

We will hang out together at plaint.com.

Robusto

Maybe they main "a plain t" . . .

RegDwigнt

What does that have to do with the price of planes in China?

Robusto

¿Cuál es el precio de los aviones en China?

RegDwigнt

3:06 PM

Sopra nuevo milenios.

Robusto

¿De dónde sacaste ese número?

RegDwigнt

Del plafono del esto cuarto donde estoy sentado.

Robusto

No es posible, no es sencilla.

RegDwigнt

Shit, my Pseudoiberian used to be better. These days too many correct things slip through. I'm getting lazy.

Estoy gettando lazindo.

Robusto

No voy a escribir nada.

RegDwigнt

3:11 PM

Yo tengo much dinero para mutar los comunistas, por eso voy a mutar los comunistas pronto.

Como se dice "CU" en castellano?

"Vamos a versu?"

Robusto

Adíos.

RegDwigнt

A dios le pido.

Robusto

A dios el piso.

RegDwigнt

You're letting your German roots slip through. Only Germans place the stress in "adios" on the I.

Cerberus

But Italians do so too, don't they?

Robusto

3:14 PM

The tyranny of languages is too much with us.

RegDwigнt

Which is why everyone in Germany thinks that Juanes sings "Bye-bye, Lepido".

Cerberus

Addío, or how do you spell that?

RegDwigнt

Ciao.

Cerberus

No, not that.

RegDwigнt

Your Pig Latin spelling is very, very bad.

Cerberae item domue.

Cerberus

3:15 PM

> Por que en italiano a veces dicen "addío" y otras "arrivederci" para despedirse??...?
- Stella M
Mejor respuesta: Porque el addio se utiliza como aquí el que "te garue finito" e implica el deseo no volver a ver a esa persona.
Arrivederci significa, hasta que nos volvamos a ver, es la forma cortés de saludar y desear un pronto reencuentro.

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Stella M · hace 8 años

Robusto

@RegDwigнt You are confusing my language ability with my typing ability. I put the accent on the wrong vowel because I knew there was an accent coming and I jumped the gun. It happens.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto OMG here comes an ac'sent!

Robusto

The process of making diacriticals is so unnatural that of course I fuck it up much of the time.

RegDwigнt

Try making do instead. Or dough. Or d'oh.

Robusto

Normally when I'm typing Spanish I'm using the international Spanish keyboard on my PC. But here I am on a Mac, and I have to do it laboriously with extra keystrokes.

Cerberus

3:17 PM

So, as you see, they have addío in Italian.

RegDwigнt

Meanwhile, as I was saying, voy a mutar muchas comunistas inmediatamente.

Lators gators mutators.

Robusto

CU

Cerberus

@Robusto I will practice praeterition and fail to mention how easily Autohotkey could help you.

@RegDwigнt Addío!

Robusto

@Cerberus Hmm. Praety funny.

Cerberus

I will not thank you for such a friendly comment.

Robusto

3:21 PM

You show remarkable forbearance.

Cerberus

I will repeat my previous comment and hereby perform the opposite act.

Robusto

I remain unruffled.

Cerberus

That what is that jumble on your wings?

Oh, wait, you must be a Balrog.

Robusto

I said unruffled, not unwaffled.

Now I'm sleepy.

Entertain me so I won't fall asleep. You do know some tricks, don't you?

Cerberus

So you want waffling?

Robusto

3:29 PM

Whatever it takes. Coffee has ceased to work.

Cerberus

Robusto

I care nothing for what happens to garbage once it leaves my residence. — Robusto 2 mins ago

@Cerberus Mmmm, waffles.

Cerberus

Does English have a verb like swaffle or zwaffle?

Robusto

Not that I'm aware of.

Cerberus

Dutch does.

Robusto

3:31 PM

Dutch has a lot of words unavailable in English.

Cerberus

Tourists get arrested for it sometimes when doing it to, say, the Taj Mahal.

Robusto

What does it mean?

Cerberus

You can guess...

Robusto

Not when I'm sleepy.

Cerberus

It is something I could not explain without mentioning unmentionables.

Girls cannot do it.

Robusto

3:33 PM

Since when do you balk at mentioning unmentionables?

@Cerberus They can do it, though not as readily.

Cerberus

Mmm nope, it requires a certain movement!

swaffelen tegen het monument van de dam ( Leon @ Queensday)

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Some bloke swaffling the National Monument on Dam Square.

(It is hideous anyway.)

Robusto

OIC.

Cerberus

Queensday/Kingsday brings out the best in people.

Robusto

*beast

Cerberus

Exactly.

Matt E. Эллен

3:42 PM

It's raining quite a lot. Reminds me of summer

Robusto

Could be because it is summer?

Matt E. Эллен

oh! right, right. summer reminds me of autumn

but slightly warmer

Robusto

Did you forget you were in England for a moment?

Matt E. Эллен

yeah. It was really sunny, yesterday

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Huh, I guess we traded, we had rainstorms yesterday, sun today

Matt E. Эллен

3:47 PM

interesting trade...

I bet California's jealous

Cerberus

Hehe.

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus what's swaffelen? I could watch the video, but...

Cerberus

I have sent e-mails to Marine le Pen, and to Alexander, count of Lambsdorff.

@MattE.Эллен You will know when you watch the 15-second video...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Why would someone want to do that?

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgh

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:53 PM

swaffle, I mean.

Cerberus

Because one is stupid!

@MattE.Эллен Hehe.

Matt E. Эллен

I thought that might be it

Cerberus

So there is no non-compound verb for this in English, as I suspected?

But surely Englishmen do this to monuments too?

Matt E. Эллен

well, "cock slapping" but that's usually to faces,

I do not recall this as a UK pasttime

Robusto

Yeah. Not enough "wood" in the UK, wot?

Matt E. Эллен

3:57 PM

I guess we don't find stone arousing

Cerberus

Hmm odd. It would suit British predilections no less than Dutch ones, one should think.

@Robusto It's not supposed to be woody, methinks.

Matt E. Эллен

I can't think of a situation where "I'm going to rub my cock on Nelson's Column" would be met with anything approaching encouragement :D

Robusto

@MattE.Эллен Not even the Elgin marbles?

Cerberus

@MattE.Эллен Not even by one's drunken maties?

Matt E. Эллен

@Robusto No. We don't like them, we just like prevent people from having them.

Cerberus

3:59 PM

Haha.

Surely you do like them!

Matt E. Эллен

I suppose rubbing one's cock on them would be a good way to mark them as ours...

Cerberus

That's probably the idea.

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus maybe, I suppose. Students are a strange bunch, so I can just about see that

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Have you checked urbandictionary?

Cerberus

@MattE.Эллен Students, or just any random bunch of drunkards...

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I have not.

I was just making conversation with Rob based on his mentioning waffles, because he was bored.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:03 PM

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swaffle

> the act of cock-slapping a girl or any other object, original word originated from Dutch culture

There you go. It's part of Dutch culture.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 TIL

Cerberus

Well, well.

At least its presence in the Urban Dictionary is...ample.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattE.Эллен me too. TIWTTF.

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus wink

Cerberus

Heh.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

4:12 PM

Houdou!

Matt E. Эллен

You do!

Cerberus

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Hey! Are you from the south of the Netherlands?

I think it's usually spelled houdoe.

But it means howdy.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Cerberus I knew I was getting it wrong.

Cerberus

Close enough!

You're so southern!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Melk!

Cerberus

4:16 PM

Yay!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I reckon!

Cerberus

I'm drinking thee with melk as we speak.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Nein zucker?

Cerberus

Kein Zucker, geen suiker.

Matt E. Эллен

JULIAN SMITH - Malk

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

4:18 PM

kein Zucker heute Abend in meinem Kaffee / kein Zucker heute Abend in meinem Tee

Matt E. Эллен

een lepeltje suiker helpt de geneeskunde naar beneden gaan

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Rob ^

Matt E. Эллен

tweened!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

>_<

Such is life.

I had plenty of time.

Robusto

4:39 PM

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Rate Mal Wer, ja?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto Ja.

Robusto

Wie geht's?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Fick Arbeit.

Jasper Loy

Eine kleine Nachtmusik

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

giggles

Jasper!

Jasper Loy

4:43 PM

Hi!

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Wenn du es richtig machst, es ist nicht Arbeit.

Cerberus

*ist es

Robusto

I thought it might be, but I was too lazy to change it.

Cerberus

Heh.

Robusto

Takin' a page out of your book, yeah?

Cerberus

4:48 PM

Does it feel good?

Robusto

I'm still too sleepy. I just walked a couple miles with a colleague and I thought that would jazz me up, but instead I'm just tired.

I'll go home and ride my bike, see if that helps.

Cerberus

Surely that will help!

I haven't heard you talk about your knee for a long while.

And all the biking: so it is 100% OK now?

Robusto

@Cerberus Call it 97% OK.

Still feels like not a 100% real knee, but much better than a damaged one.

When I think I'd been living in that pain for like 15 years . . . today I feel blessed by comparison.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@JasperLoy How are things?

Cerberus

Yay!

Robusto

4:51 PM

He left.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

D'oh!

Cerberus

So how do you mean "not real"?

Robusto

Didn't you see the cornflower blue square nosedive a couple of minutes ago?

Cerberus

They only removed bits of cartilage, I seem to remember?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto was getting coffee. And there's no right way around here.

Cerberus

4:52 PM

If you can bike fast for extended periods of time, I call that healed!

Robusto

@Cerberus It has weird clicks and pops (not painful) and occasional stresses and strains. But overall much, much, much better.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 No right way to get coffee? Or did you mean "right of way"?

Cerberus

I see.

Robusto

@Cerberus Sometimes I can feel a few aches when the weather changes. But those are minor.

Cerberus

Hmm.

I wonder how that works.

Robusto

No idea.

Cerberus

4:55 PM

How does humidity or pressure affect stuff that's inside a sack of leather and liquid?

Robusto

*sac

I don't know.

Cerberus

People often complain about their joints / arthritis undr certain meteorological conditions...

crl

Où est mon sac?

Cerberus

@Robusto Pourquoi sac?

Robusto

@Cerberus Yeah, and I'm not 100% sure that's the reason. The weather changes so often around here that it's easy to attribute the difference to the most recent change in weather.

Cerberus

4:56 PM

I wasn't talking about some specific medical thing, if that's what it is...

Robusto

@Cerberus Anatomical term?

Cerberus

@Robusto Right, it may all be placebo/nocebo...

@Robusto Is that what it is?

I just meant your skin and the blood and other stuff that's under it, but between the weather and your joints.

Robusto

Dunno. But "sack" is wildly wrong in that case unless you are creating an elaborately specific metaphor.

If you wanted to be more general and less metaphorical, you could have used "bag" and I wouldn't have minded.

And that concludes the in-office (aka @work) portion of my day. Talk at y'all later.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto no right way to work.

Cerberus

@Robusto Ah OK, in that way.

Right, a bag of bones is the common metaphor.

But I like the word sack.

As in Balzac.

Matt E. Эллен

5:14 PM

bag of bones vs meat sack

skill patrol

meat sack?

Matt E. Эллен

sack of meat

a human (or animal, I suppose)

skill patrol

I've heard potato sack.

For a human, there's the slang "a sack of shit."

Cerberus

5:31 PM

@MattE.Эллен Right, there is meat sack.

And potato sack, yes.

Matt E. Эллен

@skillpatrol puts the sacking of Rome in a different light

skill patrol

:-)

indeed

Matt E. Эллен

meatbag, too

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skill patrol

Sack races are fun to watch.

And sacking the quarterback in football makes the skullpatrol go wild!

Thanks for sharing the link @MattE.Эллен I never knew there was a site like that.

Matt E. Эллен

5:55 PM

no worries :D

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

6:18 PM

Javol, meatbags.

crl

7:18 PM

Book Report - Cyanide & Happiness Shorts

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Matt E. Эллен

that's actually a good one :D

crl

Was looking at this one initially

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 15 mins ago, by Kendall Frey

Le Telepathé - Cyanide & Happiness Shorts

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Matt E. Эллен

Ah, yeah, I vaguely remember that one

crl

7:35 PM

There's also the stupid :) pull my finger one

Matt E. Эллен

7:50 PM

:D

terdon

10:49 PM

Is there a difference between queer and gay?

> We don't care if you're straight, gay, trans, queer, asexual, intersexual, questioning, poly, or a sandwich, we only care if you're right.

From Joel's excellent answer.

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