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Mahnax

12:33 AM

@Cerberus He seems to have left indefinitely once more.

Cerberus

12:59 AM

@Mahnax I see.

No doubt he shall return.

Any idea what triggered him this time?

Robusto

1:47 AM

yesterday, by Matt Эллен

@WillHunting and yet you think coming off your meds and stopping therapy has had no effect.

Cerberus

@Robusto Ah, thanks.

So we think it was because of those reasons?

He didn't give any specific reason himself, earlier?

Robusto

I don't know if "we" think that, but I trust Matt to assess the situation as well as one can.

@Cerb: I didn't get any love for my Hollandaise quip.

Cerberus

2:19 AM

@Robusto Right.

@Robusto I meant to ask you about that, because I wasn't sure I got it.

Why did the sauce Hollandaise come up?

Mitch

@Robusto sometimes they're funny but there's just no possible response.

Or meeting.

Robusto

3:33 AM

@Cerberus Because @Reg was ragging on the Dutch. So I was defending you. If I have to explain it to six decimal places it won't be funny, though.

15 hours ago, by Robusto

Actually, I believe @Cerb is Hollandaise, not Dutch. He's a saucy doggy.

I guess either you get it or you don't.

I need to play bigger rooms.

Cerberus

4:35 AM

@Robusto I'll take it as a compliment.

Johan Larsson

10:13 AM

@Robusto c) get it but ~chuckle

Matt Эллен

10:46 AM

Hollandaise
For the holidays
Not just a craze
It's hollandaise

Robusto

11:02 AM

@JohanLarsson Chuckling in the presence of majesty is not an appropriate response.

Johan Larsson

11:14 AM

yes

Robusto

1:26 PM

►

It's not porn, it's HBO!

Johan Larsson

soft porn then

Robusto

No! HBO!

It's totally full-frontal hard-core HBO!

tchrist

2:04 PM

OMG, it's a good thing I'll be travelling this week. This is my 999th answer, and I'll hafta plan a party for when I score a kilo. — John Lawler 19 hours ago

John lives in Washington State now; he really shouldn’t need to travel much to score a kilo.

user116848

2:31 PM

Jasper left. Who is going to say "Hi lol" to me everyday now?

Damkerng T.

2:44 PM

@Farooq Hi lol

user116848

@DamkerngT. Hey DT

Cerberus

LOL.

user116848

@Cerberus Hi Cerbs

Cerberus

@tchrist What chilioi do they have there?

Hello.

user116848

Mr Shiny changed his avatar. I noticed.

user116848

2:46 PM

:-)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Farooq Why yes, I did! :)

user116848

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hey.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

how are you today

user116848

I am fine, thanks. How about you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

not bad. Wishing I had some vacation time left.

Matt Эллен

3:17 PM

The good thing about working with electronics engineers is now I know what an astable multivibrator is. If I worked in web development I'd have just bought flashing LEDs. Now I'm gonna build a circuit. :D (well not right now, but soon)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

What will this circuit do?

Matt Эллен

I am going to make indicator wristbands for when I'm cycling

so it will make the LEDs flash when it's switched on

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ah

Matt Эллен

because people can't see me signal in the dark, for some reason. stupid drivers

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I never ever see bicyclists signal.

mainly because they don't signal.

Matt Эллен

3:28 PM

yeah. some cyclists are reckless

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it just means I have to treat every cyclist like a completely irrational random hazard.

Matt Эллен

it's the best way

I prefer that to drivers who assume that overtaking means giving me just enough room so long as I don't hit a pothole.

or manhole cover

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

gotta run... bbl

Matt Эллен

CU

tchrist

4:05 PM

Making silk purses out of sows’ ears:

0

A: "Supposing Jane ______ with us, what would you do?"

TL;DR: Your test-giver probably wants you to select choice #2 “came”, but this is an extremely poorly designed test not only because one could reasonably argue that either of choices #4 and #5 might also work for some speakers and situations, but also because many other completely valid and perfe...

@Cerberus Hihi, gotsta run for work.

Cerberus

@tchrist Good luck!

A +1 for your TLDR.

tchrist

Heh. I thought it would help. baiz

Cerberus

biaz

Saladin

4:51 PM

hey:)

hey crew

Damkerng T.

@tchrist The silk purses are exquisite.

Mitch

5:06 PM

hey!

Saladin

@Mitch hi

Cerberus

6:34 PM

Yo!

user116848

Yo!

user116848

Is it just me or Yahoo mail is slower than Gmail?

Cerberus

No idea...

user116848

nods

user116848

Also there are ads on Ymail that makes it a bit slow. But it is just my perception.

user116848

6:44 PM

Maybe I am wrong.

Cerberus

7:00 PM

Install Adblock Edge?

user116848

Thanks. It looks like a good solution. Do you use it?

Mitch

7:20 PM

I've installed AdAccess Prime. Sure it slows down my machine, but it makes everybody else's seem so much faster.

Cerberus

@Farooq Yes, always.

@Mitch What does it do?

Mitch

If you didn't have ads before it puts more of them on every application.

Stack Exchange

Limerick Machine: A man who was from Leigh on sea Who wanted to know what to be He asked all around No answer he...

posted on December 10, 2014 by sgdi

A man who was from Leigh on sea Who wanted to know what to be He asked all around No answer he found So he did what came naturally

user116848

@Cerberus @Mitch Thanks!

Cerberus

@Mitch Sounds lovely.

Too bad I can't find any information about it.

Mitch

7:36 PM

Here's a link for it: " I want more ads"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Don't click that! It installs a virus onto your system!

Mitch

Shhhh!

That was the virus talking.

Jez

hi peeps

i hate colds. they kind of make you feel like a different person

with the whole body feeling all miserable

Cerberus

@Mitch I have already downloaded the Internet.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Even with Noscript and Adblock Edge and such enabled?

@Mitch I have always known Mr Shiny was a virus.

Mitch

@Jez I hate different people for the same reason.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:42 PM

@Cerberus I suspect you need a whoosh! or two

Mitch

I was going to go with it and start blaming you for being a virus.

@Cerberus 'Shhhh!' was the virus talking through me.

No it wasn't. That's a lie. That was the virus talking trying to confuse you. You're confused now aren't you. That's how invidious it is.

Also insidious. Pretty much every context where I'd use one of those words, the other would fit.

Same with travesty and tragedy.

Same with meretricious and Disney World. Which reminds me, I'm hungry.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, I assumed you weren't serious. But...

@Mitch Ohh are you sure it isn't Mr Shiny?

@Mitch Haha touché.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus especially since Mitch wasn't being serious either

Installing a thing that gives you more ads to make other people's computers look faster by comparison.... That's really more of a Jasper thing than Mitch.

TRiG

8:00 PM

Alot of pizza.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@TRiG Nice

Matt Эллен

@TRiG impressive

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Tsk.

@TRiG Haha I knew what I was going to see before clicking that.

TRiG

There is, in fact, an entire subreddit for it.

Take, for example, alot of firefighters.

Cerberus

8:21 PM

Nice.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

alot of Lego

Cerberus

Aww.

Could be a bit fatter.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

could be alot fatter

Cerberus

Couldn't find an image of that.

Mahnax

Ahoy.

TRiG

8:29 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Lovely.

Matt Эллен

ahoy hoy!

Cerberus

Welcome, Captain Hornblower!

Umm.

Yes, quite so.

Mahnax

Oh, I just urban dictionary'd that and now I feel bad.

quietly removes

Matt Эллен

lol

Mahnax

How are you folks doing?

Robusto

8:31 PM

Much better now that Matt is picking up the slack in the LOL department.

Mahnax

Excellent.

Matt Эллен

lerl

lawl

Robusto

C'mon, you can do it.

We have faith in you.

Matt Эллен

lool

Robusto

Almost.

Matt Эллен

8:33 PM

laughing allowed

Robusto

Wow, you blew right past it.

Matt Эллен

I'm no Jasper

How are you @Mahnax

Robusto

Clearly you're not.

I guess we need the genuine article.

Matt Эллен

indeed

Mahnax

@MattЭллен I'm well, thanks. I've written three finals, three to go. Today was the hardest one.

Matt Эллен

8:34 PM

what was today?

Cerberus

@MattЭллен John Loller is on vacation, I believe.

Mahnax

Calc-based physics I.

Robusto

But to your question "How are you @Mahanax" . . . your punctuation has knocked that into the realm of the philosophical.

Cerberus

Example question?

Mahnax

@Cerberus From the test?

Robusto

8:35 PM

@Mahnax Remind me about the part of physics that isn't calc-based?

Cerberus

Yeah?

Matt Эллен

@Robusto V=IR, f=ma

Cerberus

Is it is too difficult to type in chat.

Mahnax

@Robusto There's two first year physics classes here, and one of them doesn't get into calculus, so I have learned to include that.

Matt Эллен

PV = nRT

Robusto

8:36 PM

@MattЭллен That's physics with training wheels.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Hah, I remember those. F=ma.

@MattЭллен No idea.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus ideal gas equation

Cerberus

Ohh.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto indeed :D

Cerberus

Pressure x Volume =...

Temperature x...

Something.

Matt Эллен

8:37 PM

n = number of moles of the gas

Cerberus

Ahh.

Matt Эллен

R is some constant

user116848

newton's laws

Cerberus

OK, that makes sense.

user116848

E=mc square

Cerberus

8:37 PM

But a capital constant?

Matt Эллен

oh, apparently it's called "the gas constant"

Cerberus

I see.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus yes. That's how it's taught, anyway

Cerberus

OK.

Mahnax

@Cerberus You have a helicopter with a four-bladed rotor. Each blade has mass 80kg, length 3.5m. If the rotor achieves an angular velocity of 300rpm after 10 seconds, find the torque applied by the motor. Additionally, prove that the moment of inertia of a long, narrow cylinder about the end at an axis perpendicular to the cylinder is [something] based on the fact that the moment of inertia about the center of mass is ml^2/12.

Robusto

8:39 PM

Even Newton had to invent some calculus to get his work done.

Matt Эллен

trunuff

Robusto

@Mahnax You would definitely need calculus to map the pressure exerted across a variably curved, tapered rotor blade.

Sorry for all the pings.

Mahnax

@Robusto Pressure? Who's talking about pressure? We're talking about spinning stuff here that we're pretending is uniform.

Robusto

@Mahnax Well, if you can't handle the pressure . . .

Mahnax

Oh, I didn't mean cylinder. I meant a flat thing. What's the word I'm looking for?

Matt Эллен

8:42 PM

plane?

Mahnax

Sure.

Robusto

plane?

jinx

Mahnax

Plane works.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Ohh interesting.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I thought this was about a helicopter, not a plane

Mahnax

8:43 PM

@Robusto Har har.

Robusto

And helicopters have rotor blades that are not planes.

Matt Эллен

Cerberus

Everybody is crazy, and I am a plane. vroooom

Robusto

@MattЭллен That is the best coke ever.

Mahnax

We pretended they were planes for the sake of asking actual testable questions that first-year science students can comprehend.

Matt Эллен

8:43 PM

woo!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

►

Robusto

@Matt wins the prize for best coke ever in response to an ELU chat jinx.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

^ On a plain

Robusto

The reign in plein falls mainly in the spleen.

user116848

Someone on Physics SE can solve that physics problem easily.

Robusto

8:45 PM

@Mahnax I know. I was just teasing.

Mahnax

@Farooq I can solve that physics problem easily. It was one of the easiest ones on the test, haha.

user116848

@Mahnax I know you can.

user116848

I studied them far back.

user116848

They can be quite complex.

user116848

They are fun though. Sometimes.

Cerberus

8:47 PM

High school is too long ago, I forgot how torque works exactly. Maybe I could have solved it back then.

user116848

@Cerberus Same here :-)

user116848

Although I am only 28 now.

Matt Эллен

144000 Newtons I think. No idea about the other bit.

Mahnax

@MattЭллен Show your work :)

Cerberus

Haha.

Mahnax

8:48 PM

Otherwise I give you zero.

Cerberus

So the length of the arm is probably 1.75m, right?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The Nirvana Baby is now 23

Cerberus

Total weight 320kg.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Cerberus

You gain 0.5 rotations per second.

Maybe you need to use the circumference at 1.75m?

Matt Эллен

8:51 PM

300 rpm = 18000 revs per second
accelerating from 0 to that in 10 seconds = 1800 rev/(s squared)
80kg * 1800 revs per (second squared) = 144000 kg revolutions per (second squared)

which I guess is what torque is measured in

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Newton-meters

Cerberus

Isn't rpm revolutions per minute?

Mahnax

You have to convert to radians per second.

Cerberus

So isn't that 5 per second?

Matt Эллен

oh

hmmm

Mahnax

8:52 PM

And find the moment of inertia of the four rotors together, and use that instead of mass.

Matt Эллен

ah

Cerberus

560 Nm.

Right?

320*1.75

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus oh right. divide not times

Mahnax

The moment of inertia of one rotor is 1/3ml^2.

So the moment of inertia of all four is 4/3ml^2.

Matt Эллен

ml?

Cerberus

8:53 PM

So I divided 5 by 10 second for 0.5 revolutions gained per second.

Mahnax

4/3*80kg*(3.5m)^2.

=1307kg m^2

Cerberus

Millilitres?

Mahnax

mass times length squared

Matt Эллен

ah

Cerberus

Ah2.

I have never heard of that formula.

But then we're not studying physics!

Still, I remember how much fun physics could be.

My colleague has also started his physics studies.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

8:57 PM

So where does the calculus come into this problem?

Mahnax

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It doesn't. We have derivation questions that need calculus.

This one is just mechanics

And some questions involving instantaneous angular/not-angular velocities etc.

Matt Эллен

damnit. I can't make a joke out of "caulk you later". mathematical handyman something something

Mitch

9:22 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Pascal-coulombs per lumen

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch hogshead per rod

Mitch

pints per cubit. Drink up!

@MattЭллен amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000SIC264

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

firkin-furlong(squared)/fortnight

Cerberus

9:42 PM

@Mitch How do you know Monsieur Pascal-Coulomb?

Jez

9:53 PM

@MattЭллен cork you later?

Mitch

@Cerberus Ben, il est le phénix des hôtes de ces bois.

Jez

what is "des hôtes" for in that sentence?

Cerberus

@Mitch Quels bois? Et quels hôtes?

J'comprends pas.

Mitch

10:10 PM

The hôtes from these bois.

Obviously.

@Jez to fill out the line?

It never made sense to me either.

Cerberus

@Mitch Ahh those bois.

That's very nice.

I think I read that fable for my oral exam in high school.

Hôtes as in the hosts that comprise an army.

Lots of people.

Johan Larsson

10:32 PM

I also like x | I like x also | ??

Jez

"Pour rester assis à ne rien branler"

Mitch

@Cerberus I know. Poetry. Why can't they just use a normal word.

Jez

google translate says branler is "wank"

lol

Mitch

@Jez ha ha. also 'wobble'.

Cerberus

@Jez My dictionary says "loose, wobble".

@Mitch It sounds kind of nice, doesn't it?

Jez

10:41 PM

i still don't get that sentence

"to stay seated and wobble nothing"?

Cerberus

"To stay seated in order not to wobble."

Rien used adverbially, I assumed.

Jez

what does it mean adverbially?

Mitch

"To sit and do nothing wank
It is better to be very high up"

Jez

lol

Mitch

@Jez "To not be bothered", "to not bother anyone"

@Jez It's good advice!

Cerberus

10:45 PM

@Jez Used as an adverb.

Jez

do nothing but wank, perhaps

@Cerberus no, what does rien mean adverbially?

Cerberus

So it means "not (at all)" instead of "nothing".

Mitch

'nothing'

Jez

didnt know that

Mitch

'de rien' = 'da nada' = ... no worries

Jez

10:49 PM

tchrist

This poor fellow just hit one of my hot buttons:

Do not try to use these forms. You don’t have the preparation or instinct for them, and will just embarrass yourself. The Early Modern English -(e)s/(e)th suffix marks the 3s present indicative only, not the 2s pr. ind., which is typically -((e)s)t instead. — tchrist 3 mins ago

It is far better not to try than to mangle it.

Jez

hot buttons?

tchrist

People trying to sound fancy but sounding stupid.

Because they don’t know what they’re talking about, and it is blitheringly obvious.

Nails on chalkboards.

Jez

better than idiots trying to dumb English down by saying "don't use whom"

tchrist

The average person cannot use whom correctly.

50% of the population is below average.

Solution?

It sounds a whole lot dumber saying whom when who is called for then saying who when whom is called for.

Why is that?

Same answer as I already gave.

Jez

10:56 PM

actually, i don't think it does

they sound about equally wrong

Johan Larsson

@Jez Kära staten tack för maten.

Jez

but there's an easy way to tell which it is. replace it with he or him.

tchrist

> Give it to {who,whom}ever you said you thought you were going to say was going before I changed the question and confused the dickens out of you.

There ya go: have at.

waits

So much for “easy way to tell”.

I know the right answer, but you apparently do not, belying your previous assertion.

Cerberus

@Jez I just assumed it had to be translated thus: it is like a faux object to the verb. Or you could say the verb branler can have rien as its object in French, the resulting meaning being "wobbling not".

@Jez Naaah.

@tchrist Who.

But that sentence is defective.

@tchrist His test works, if you insert he at the only possibly place where it could be inserted.

tchrist

@Cerberus I knew you would get it; I was waiting for the Akbar or Jeff lookalike to give his “easy” answer in the wink of aye.

> [L]learn to distinguish between the bogus and the genuine antique – as you would if you hoped not to be cheated by a dealer!

Cerberus

11:07 PM

Heh.

@tchrist Wise words.

Mitch

If everybody else is fooled too then the painting is still worth a bajillion

tchrist

@Cerberus I presume you remember who said them.

Cerberus

The brackets around the L are unnecessary, however: this is not a court of law.

tchrist

It was with regard to language.

Mitch

There's a lesson in there

Cerberus

11:08 PM

My guess would be Fowler.

Wardour Street.

Tolkien.

Ah.

About wobbling

Complaining about people throwing bogus inflections and stupidities in and not sounding in the least bit real.

Cerberus

Well, they were of similar heart.

tchrist

11:08 PM

And era.

Cerberus

@Mitch Which is why market value is worthless.

Like mass appreciation.

Mitch

Market value is the value...of whatever it was sold at, however bogus.

Cerberus

Saying the same thing twice is a tautology.

Same = t'auto.

Mitch

That's why the gold standard is a basis in reality...not this bitcoin sandcastle. At least you can make teeth or crowns or crowns for teeth out of gold.

Cerberus

I'm afraid it is above 5 degrees, so I have to go out and run...

Mitch

11:11 PM

That's your limit?

Doesn't nighttime get in the way? And rain?

Cerberus

@Mitch And jewellery. However, I believe by far the most part of the value of gold is speculation, not usefulness.

@Mitch Mmm heavy rain gets in the way.

Mitch

Hm a warm rain at night might not be bad

Cerberus

Nighttime does not.

Warm rain is rare enough to be negligible.

Mitch

Right that's why the gold standard is silly.

Cerberus

I can run below zero, but today I set below 5 degrees for myself as an excuse not to have to run.

Mitch

11:14 PM

But if it's a warm rain and night _and _ 5 degrees, that equals fog. And a setting for a Jack the Ripper tv show

Excuses are nice

How do you run in the city? Aren't people and intersections on the way all the time?

tchrist

> Nay, thou n’wost not thine own skill in healing.

> The proper use of 'tushery' is to apply it to the kind of bogus 'medieval'
stuff which attempts (without knowledge) to give a supposed temporal colour
with expletives, such as tush, pish, zounds, marry, and the like. But a
real archaic English is far more terse than modern; also many of things
said could not be said in our slack and often frivolous idiom. Of course,not being specially well read in modern English, and far more familiar withworks in the ancient and 'middle' idioms, my own ear is to some extent affected; so that though I could easily recollect how a modern would putthis or t…

Mitch

Doctor healed thyself. Didn't work out

'Tushery? Is that what the gardener tends along with the shruttery?

tchrist

11:39 PM

Idiots are approving edits to nohat’s postings. WTH?

english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/96688

I rolled it back.

If the esteemed Dr Hatfree had meant to say that, he would surely have done.

Do bad I can retract the lamer’s +2.

Cerberus

11:54 PM

@Mitch An impossible scenario here.

@Mitch There is enough space to run if you don't go to shopping streets in the afternoon.

A few traffic lights, yes. Only one for me, if I go in the right direction.

Other streets I cross where there are no lights.

@tchrist That is an improvement...

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