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7:07 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 doesn't RB already do that all by itself? Or how do you mean it?

And I think I should be taking the part size into account. Those slopes are just relatively big, so even when stacked really tightly they take up considerable room.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt I mean if you export your parts list as html grid (including set and loose parts) I have some JS I stick on that page which re-organizes the data so you can see all your collection of pieces by colour, or by type, or whatever.

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These all take up like half a box.

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These take up two boxes.

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These are all in one box.

With the exception of 32-stud ones which simply wouldn't fit.

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And these are sorted in with their colors, so I can't tell, but I think three boxes is a fair estimate.

So even though I have thousands of one-by-one plates or pins, but only hundreds of those slopes, the impression is exactly the other way round.

Also see here and here. I am mortified yea unto stultification — or perhaps I mean the other way around — that people keep asking this same question about a simple law with no exceptions over and over and over and and over and over and and over and over. I blame the miseducation system; it must have started when some first-grade teacher just made something up that had no basis in actual English phonology or orthography, and like a virus this confusion has spread far and wide. Please be part of the cure. — tchrist 2 mins ago

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't think it is being misleading, cuz niu bi are totally awesome.

@Mitch hehe, my grandmother is there, 96, but can't walk anymore..

7:14 PM

The Lego Movie? Totally zui niu B!

@RegDwigнt good times, some years ago, I builded up from scratch a tricycle (2 front steering wheels)

@nosmoking It's all stats. The label to those charts are funny because it's a 'false friend'. Esperance sounds like it means You -wish- to die at a certain age, rather than expectation/clinical average of age at death.

It’s bad enough that most people are idiots. It is utterly insupportable that they should all feed on one another, reinforcing and reproducing this stupidity until it has infected not merely the entire Anglosphere but the Himalayas and the South Pole. This disease must be stopped. The Apostrophic Jihad has been duly notified, and they take no prisoners once their wrath is kindled against one. Caveant idiotae!

You don't think the solution is that rather they should feed on each other?

Caveant?

Allegory of the Cave

The Allegory of the Cave (also titled Analogy of the Cave, Plato's Cave or Parable of the Cave) is presented by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work The Republic (514a–520a) to compare "...the effect of education (παιδεία) and the lack of it on our nature". It is written as a dialogue between Plato's brother Glaucon and his mentor Socrates, narrated by the latter. The allegory is presented after the Analogy of the Sun (508b–509c) and the Analogy of the Divided Line (509d–513e). All three are characterized in relation to dialectic at the end of Books VII and VIII (531d–534e). Plato has Socrates...

7:18 PM

@Mitch ¡Qué la tomen por culo! for all I care, Ouroboros-like.

@nosmoking present subj 3pl "Let them beware"

@tchrist Zui niu culo.

latinus tenses are bitches

@JohanLarsson Man: "Fuck me. What shitfaces. Bitches." Woman: "Morons". Man: "Your mother". Woman: "Morons" pause "complete shitface". Man: "Your mother".

Tempora latina.

Lightly battered.

@tchrist so is it an excess or a lock of apostrophes that is bothering you? As long as they all balance out.

7:21 PM

@Mitch It’s the a’s’s’es’s’es that bother me.

You can actually hear débils quite clearly.

@tchrist O tempora, o marsala, o chicken cacciatore

@Mitch Do you mean in French there's one word "espérance de vie" ou "espérance mathématique, espérance d'une variable aléatoire", in English 2 different words life expectancy vs expected value

@Mitch My problem is not so much that they don’t know their s from a hole in the ground as it is that that they don’t know where to stick it, and therefore gleefully freely pass this insidious perversion far and wide until people are dropping every other s that they houd be uing.

@RegDwigнt débiles malhabiles

7:25 PM

@nosmoking who cares, they say it in Cyrillic.

yesterday, by tchrist

Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake.
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.

Actually, let's see if Google Translate is up to the task. Should be fun.

Ni te lo creas.

Goog's translate doesn't even do Latinus...

So the original is, "Бля. Вот уроды. Суки. Дебилы. Твою мать. Дебилы... конченный урод. Твою мать."

Google sez,

> Shit. That freaks. Bitches. Morons. Your mother. Morons ... goner freak. Your mother.

Interesting how it translates the worst word of them all the most innocently.

7:28 PM

'Shit'?

That's no shit. That's a taboo word for whore.

English does not have that level.

== English == === Alternative forms === shit ass === Noun === shitass (plural shitasses) (vulgar, pejorative) A jerk; an inappropriately or objectionably mean, inconsiderate, contemptible, obnoxious, intrusive, or rude person. He is such a shitass! ==== Synonyms ==== asshole/arsehole bastard prick shithead ==== Translations... ====

lol

You can say "fuck" in company, and in movies, and in books, and in this chat. But the Russian word you'd never use even if you were completely by your own.

Well, except for this guy obviously.

Anyway, it's completely untranslatable for that reason.

What is the word?

But the way he says it, fuck me is the most accurate approximation.

@skullpatrol hey I already posted it. Don't make me write it again.

7:31 PM

Oops sry

Note how even that guy omits the other taboo word from the "your mother" phrase.

So even within the taboo world, there's levels.

Mat (Russian profanity)

Mat (Russian: мат; матерщи́на / ма́терный язы́к / мáтный язы́к , matershchina / materny yazyk / matny yazyk; Ukrainian: матюки, matyuky) is the term for strong obscene profanity in Russian and some other Slavic language communities. The use of mat is censored in the media and the use of mat in public constitutes a form of disorderly conduct, or mild hooliganism, punishable under article 20.1.1 of the Offences Code of Russia, although it is enforced only episodically, in particular due to the vagueness of the legal definition. Despite the public ban, mat is used by Russians of all ages and nearly...

Thanks for the info^

@nosmoking Nope, just that "J'espère"->"I hope" but "espérance" -> technically "expectation" (even though 'expectation' sounds like you're expecting it to happen that way, not just an average.

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Q: Translation mistake "Treffer durchsuchen"

There is a wrongly translated text on the german Careers start page: Search hits has been translated to Treffer durchsuchen which means "search for hits" (as in the activity). A more accurate translation would be something like Suchtreffer or Treffer in der Suche The cu...

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@RegDwigнt I am disappoint. I want russian profanity, not the translation of "profanity" to russian.

7:37 PM

So either somebody is looking for a turducken recipe, or for a trafficked whore who swallows instead of spits.

@Mitch well, Russian profanity I can offer, it's just that you don't want that particular profanity.

I think I said "fuck" in this chat like six times in the last ninety minutes. But I could not say any of the words on that page even to my father or wife.

The closest you have to that level of taboo in English is nigga.

Even cunt is sorta okay.

@tchrist funny how he does not object to the first two items. Those don't even make any sense at all.

The one he objected to at least made wrong sense.

@Mitch j'espère vivre l'espérance + 3 ecart-types

Go grab any number of Germans off the street, ask them what "öffentliche Ansichten" means. I'll wait.

Can we say that RGB images are tensors? 2 dimensions for height and width, and 1 dimension for the 3 colors

@nosmoking If you think of color as being in one dimension rather than in 3, you are going to be unhappy.

7:47 PM

@tchrist color has 3 different levels so 2 dimensions, one for the levels 0-255, one for which is it Red, green, blue

@nosmoking sure. but are there any tensor operations that you'd apply to that object meaningfully?

no idea, I'l writing an application letter, and I think I'll avoid talking about that

@nosmoking That's hopeful thinking.

I'll look less idiot, if I don't say things I don't master

should turn his tongue before talking

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist colour isn't necessarily 3 dimensions, though, is it? There are some colour models that have more

8:01 PM

oh yes 3 dimensions, why did I want 2, I'm silly

@nosmoking Channelling Lincoln, eh.

so that's 5 dimensions with height and width

Or Twain, depending on your misattribution of choice.

are there some invertible rgb2gray transforms?

Abraham Lincoln? Mark Twain? Biblical Proverb? Maurice Switzer? Arthur Burns? John Maynard Keynes? Confucius? Anonymous?

8:03 PM

> Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt

@RegDwigнt :)

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More elaborate smiley.

Nice mascara.

I like anti-pragmatism as a word(s) describes so much I see every day.

\ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°/

8:50 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That’s kind of an interesting question. RGB converts to HSV in 3 yes, or to CMYK in 4. The K is needed for practical reasons. However, the optimal values of the RGB primaries are a bit interesting, and disputed. There are standards for this, though, for reproducibility.

Hi @George.

Fancy meeting you here.

I have something for you.

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Q: The Appendix in Orwell's 1984

After answering a question in SciFi if the Big Brother existed as a real person, I got responses that the last chapter, the Appendix (which can be found here), definitely proves that Oceania ceased to exist because it describes Newspeak from a historical perspective. One proponent cited an essay ...

grammar meaning-in-context books

I only read the book in Russian, so you take it.

Here @George, this one’s for you, wherever you are....

> I sit beside the fire and think
of all that I have seen,
of meadow-flowers and butterflies
In summers that have been;

Of yellow leaves and gossamer
in autumns that there were,
with morning mist and silver sun
and wind upon my hair.

I sit beside the fire and think
of how the world will be
when winter comes without a spring
that I shall ever see.

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood in every spring
there is a different green.

I sit beside the fire and think

@RegDwigнt Does that come clearer with drugs?

everything becomes clear with drugs :-)

Apparently.

I’m just awoken from a napacito.

I couldn’t sleep from midnight till six due to knee pain.

what is named for the color it has on the inside but is clear on the outside?

8:55 PM

@tchrist I dunno, you're the dope smoker here.

Saw pain doc, got drugs.

@RegDwigнt Not really, Reg. That’s @GeorgePompidou’s bailiwick.

He needs no dope, his drug is avoiding drafts. Much more powerful at that.

Plus I am allergic to ragweed and its kin, which of course necessarily includes hemp.

Genetic engineering is a thing.

Cross them with tomatoes or something.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist does that allergy extend to the inhaled smoke variety?

8:56 PM

@RegDwigнt Is that done by closing the windows possibly?

Be creative. Do I have to hold your hand through it?

:-)

@tchrist yes, that one.

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what is named for the color it has on the inside but is clear on the outside?

well?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

what does "clear on the outside" mean?

8:57 PM

DRAFT: ROMANIA’S SILENT KILLER. By JSBangs.

I think you weren't around for the public reading.

So read it in private.

It's informative.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 exactly what it says

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I’m not sure. It messes up my sinuses very badly and in the sneezy and dopey way verging on grumpy, so probably. Plus it makes me aphasic.

is always grumpy at being rendered aphasic. Others are sometimes relieved, however.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@skullpatrol so, like, a bottle of milk would be clear on the outside but have a "colour" on the inside?

@skullpatrol Miley Cyrus. What do I win?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yes

@RegDwigнt nope

8:59 PM

@skullpatrol The blue skies.

@tchrist nope

@skullpatrol That's a bad prize. But still better than nothing. I'll take it.

Sounds like some kinda marble.

Or your skin.

nope

The color is marbleh.

9:00 PM

named for the color on the inside

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

alright we give up

Please, I’m having marmoreal difficulties with all these opium derivatives.

greenhouse

:D

I thought they had green skins.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

no, they are usually clear glass

9:02 PM

I’m thinking that I don’t think I can see into some.

We have a Stellar Question.

It is pointless, however.

He’s just looking for noun-derived adjectives, I guess. There are millions of taxa that you can do that with, no hyperbole required.

@skullpatrol meh. Where you get that from? The same place Germans get their "What is brown and knocking at the glass?" jokes from?

@RegDwigнt dunno, what?

@RegDwigнt Isn’t that a fart they pulled out of their butts?

What is blue and standing at the roadside?

Or maybe it was Fahrt. I get these confuzed.

@RegDwigнt Chicory.

9:06 PM

What is green and stinks like fish?

Or Linum.

@RegDwigнt A strumpet with the clap.

I think there's like ten more I'm forgetting.

@skullpatrol a baby in the oven.

@tchrist a whore.

@tchrist the police, or Werder Bremen.

@RegDwigнt I have an off-by-one error.

These are all kinderjokes, like What's red and green and goes 200 miles an hour.

Exactly, that's another one.

I think it's red and blue in German, though.

And of course kilometers.

Germany has blue frogs instead of green ones?

9:10 PM

Oh, that one. That one's green alright.

I think I was confusing it with another one.

Still kilometers either way.

Mind you, there are blue frogs. Some people fall in love with them.

Mind you, Germany is one of like only two countries in the world where it's legal to go 200 miles, and not just kilometers.

For one things, you can use them to make curare.

@RegDwigнt My Audi has a governor on it set to 130 mph.

Wimps.

Is it Schwarzenegger?

I don’t know why they call it that.

9:12 PM

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That is one strange tuba. And I sure hope it's a tuba.

I don’t think it’s a bass hound.

Not even a Bass Kervile?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

What's brown and sounds like a bell?

9:15 PM

I could swear there were two Ls in there when I typed it. And from as far away as I'm sitting it still looks like there's two.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I caught their last show on TV. Was suitably disappointed.

@RegDwigнt I’m trying to avoid getting flagged for calling your tubas Fagotte.

We'll see if you success.

Did I just say success?

What the f is wrong with me.

Something seminal, at least.

Verbing weirds language, so consider yourself weirded.

Tuviste éxito.

9:18 PM

Buena Tuvista Social Club.

Which reminds me.

Which means so much different a thing than it looks.

I watched Buena Vista Social Club a couple days ago, and was horrified how little I understood.

I seem not to be paid up on my syntax.

They sure speak some weird tongue there.

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9:19 PM

I mean, it had subtitles. And I still understood like thirty percent, tops.

Was it in cubanito?

Yeah.

That would be why.

They aspirate any -s in the coda, opening the vowel.

Well yes, but that's my point. I wouldn't have expected it to be that indiscernible.

They literally speak Spanish with a Danish accent.

Tú como ehtah?

9:20 PM

As in, a hot potato in their mouth.

Crud like that.

Plus they have a different intonation pattern.

It's a single hmprhmprhmprhmrphphhphphph.

Yes, they can’t close anything down.

Their vowels are too open due to the aspiration. Everything seems chopped off.

The reason they still understand each other is that they’ve learned to use the open/close aspect as a phonemic one revealing a suppressed s.

And when they introduced anyone, all bets were completely off.

It is . . . strange.

9:22 PM

What they do to names is inhumane.

I had a Cuban roommate when I lived in Spain.

He spoke English with my accent, having grown up in America, the child of Cuba émigrés.

But Lord his Spanish was something hard not to laugh at!

Authentic though it were.

Hm.

Was.

Again, there is a super-different intonation pattern between normal Spanish, or even Colombian, and the language of the Caribbean and most of Andalucía.

You have to use Subjonctif Two.

Deux.

Yes, they seem to have an allergy to the -se forms instead of the -ra forms.

Which can kind of throw you off, since most other Romance only has -se forms.

Que sese, sese.

Hm.

They always have to say "si fuera" never "si fuese".

9:25 PM

So anyway. But the music was good.

If you haven't seen it, you should.

They have a lot of slang, too.

I probably should, yeah.

And beans and rice are a sacrament there.

Of course they not only converse using hot potatoes, it was sadly also filmed using a potato.

Back then it must've been revolutionary.

The Sony camera got expressly mentioned in the credits.

My phone has a better one now.

Viva la revolucíon sempiterna.

Wait, then they didn’t have good depth-of-field control, right?

The first video recorders were really bad at that.

Everything was in focus, so it was hard to use selective focus on stuff to show it mattered.

@tchrist the lead singer spent a great deal of time listing, and showing, all the things he sacrifices to some rather fear-inducingly looking figurine in a corner of their living room.

Voodoo?

9:28 PM

There was rum and honey and a million other things. But I'm not spoiling.

@tchrist no, some Christian patron I think.

I have a wonderful word for you Reg.

Of something.

Hoodoo, which rhymes with voodoo and you do.

It is a rock formation we have here in Colorado and on the Colorado Plateau.

Hoodoo (folk magic)

Hoodoo, also known as "conjure" and sometimes confused with "voodoo", is a traditional African-American folk spirituality that developed from a number of West African, Native American and European spiritual traditions. == Roots of hoodoo == Hoodoo has some spiritual principles and practices similar to spiritual folkways in Haitian, Cuban, Jamaican and New Orleans traditions. Hoodoo seems to have evolved in the Mississippi Delta where the concentration of slaves had been dense. Hoodoo then spread throughout the Southeast as well as North along the Mississippi as African Americans left the Delta...

It is also called a "fairy chimney".

No, the rock one.

9:30 PM

Hm. I think I heard this before, and yet I think I didn't.

Oh, the rock one I certainly didn't.

The non-rock one was in some movie about Nohleans.

I think.

There are therefore hikes at Bryce Canyon National Park called fairyland walk or some such.

Everything in America must have a fairyland walk...

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Those are an army of hoodoos.

Doobiedoobiedoo.

That’s Bryce. It’s not a canyon. The settlers were dumb again.

I wish you could come here and see some of these wonders.

9:32 PM

I thought canyons lived in Africa.

’Tisn’t a canyon in the cañón sense. It is technically a "breaks" or "fells" or something.

Breaks, I think.

@tchrist easy. Just convince the NSA and the TSA that I really really really do not have a credit card. Just like nobody else at all here.

Where the land just drops off, but not in a V, more like a capital gamma.

L upside own.

They are literally demanding I hand over something that doesn't exist.

@RegDwigнt Why do they need your credit card number?

9:34 PM

I dunno.

That would be imprudent.

And the more pertinent question is, why did the EU chicken out and told them they could.

maybe a credit check?

I am guessing you treat credit cards as I do: something not to use, something for emergencies alone when no other help can be found. Keep behind "In case of fire, break glass".

Because anything else is nuts.

@skullpatrol No need to guess. They don't even need a reason. That's not how bullying works.

9:36 PM

Maybe they are afraid you might not have enough money to go back, and so you would stay here and steal jobs from illegal Mexicans.

I had a foreign housekeeper once with a funny accent.

She was an East Ender. No lie.

@RegDwigнt Ignoring bullies makes them so mad

@skullpatrol Please don’t mention the IRS again.

sry

She got to live hear because her cute husband is American.

I think she left the ugly one back in London.

@tchrist a year ago or so I went over it in great detail with Mr Shiny, and am really not in the mood to re-chew it all, but the executive summary is: here they charge you three times over. For having a card, for using it, and of course the 3% added to the price of all products across the board for everyone, except of course it's illegal so nobody will admit it.

9:38 PM

But his name is Lorin, like my kitty.

@RegDwigнt Isn’t that the same everywhere?

At least in the US and Canada, the first overhead of the three is zero.

Ah, now that is partly a myth.

They cottoned to us reasonable people.

@tchrist Mr Shiny convincingly made the case that he was making billions just by owning a card.

So there is like a minimum balance charge now many of them now, so you are damned either way.

@RegDwigнt Were you drinking at the time?

I, on the other hand, tried it out once, and thanks very much, never again.

9:39 PM

I think of them as the devil.

@tchrist it's in the transcript, and no I wasn't.

Not because I am prone to stupid financial delusions, but rather because I am not.

Jan 6 at 16:27, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt Oh sure, the credit-card companies make lots of money. But that's simply because they don't let vendors give you a rebate for using cash or a cheaper payment method. I'm fairly sure that will be sorted out in 5-10 years. Meanwhile I get 2% back on all my gas and groceries and 1% back on everything else. What % back do you get for using cash?

plastic money is too easy to spend in my opinion

I actually get up to 10% back for using cash. Too bad I forgot to mention it back then.

9:41 PM

What really pisses me off is that they passed a law that there couldn’t be a credit-card charge like for gas, so of course they jacked the price for everyone and sometimes gave a cash discount back to the real price.

Jan 6 at 16:23, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt Who says I can't afford it? I'm getting literally FREE credit. NOT using free credit is stupid. I pay off the bill each month and never pay a single cent of interest or any fee.

@RegDwigнt I know businesses that do that, but good luck with Amazon.

These are the pointers to the right place. You can look up the rest of the discussion there.

Gas (=petrol) stations post the credit card price, then give you back your 4% or whatever if you pay cash.

cash rules

9:43 PM

@tchrist on Amazon I saved up to 2% with the same programme, up until three weeks ago when they suddenly quit it.

Remember last year when nobody could buy groceries in England because all the chip-and-pin checker died, and they refused to accept checks?

Because they had no structure for real-time checking on "cheque" fraud.

I actually do not. Missed it.

It was a big deal.

Tesco, I think.

Anyway. Bargeld lacht. Nuff said.

Jeebitz vept?

Vaped.

This vaping thing is queer.

Do they do that there?

Using “electronic” “cigarettes” is slanged up as vaping now.

9:45 PM

Jan 6 at 16:28, by RegDwigнt

As I said. Here, 40 Euro a year, plus 16% interest from second one, plus you have to pay money for getting money at the ATM, plus not everyone even accepts them.

From vapor I guess.

And that's a huge understatement. Nobody even accepts them.

Except a couple websites.

I just got a damning piece of mail from my bank.

Where did it damn you to?

They are going to raise the credit card rate to 150% what it was.

On existing balances.

9:46 PM

My total lack of condolences.

The only way to still pay off anything on the old rate is to agree to deactivate the account.

@tchrist that is loan sharking

Thing is, I have actually had to use it this summer because I bottomed out cashwise this month of August, and it pisses me off.

So I have to call them to cancel my card so that I can pay it off at 8% instead of at 12+%.

@skullpatrol Is that what that is? When they suddenly change how much you owe?

Third-world problems. As I said, 16% here.

@tchrist that's how gangsters do it

9:48 PM

I hate paying interest. It feels like some crime of usury.

I simply do not do it, save on my home, which is a tax write-off.

Paying people money for money just seems like a really bad idea.

You should pay money, not money for money.

@RegDwigнt That can happen here, too. Depends on your deal.

And my wife is not even allowed to get one. She specifically requested one from VISA, because she visits a ton of websites abroad that only accept credit cards. First, VISA told her to disclose her income, then she told them she didn't have any, then they told her it was okay to lie to them, just enter any number above zero, then she did that, then she got a fat big lot of nothing. Some dumbed-down version of a credit card that is not accepted anywhere.

money for money for money for ...

@RegDwigнt Wow.

@skullpatrol And your tricks for free.

Yeah, it's worse than a debit card from a run-of-the-mill bank.

She quite literally cannot use it anywhere at all. No exaggerations.

I would think that Germans would be smarter than to live off credit cards the way Americans do. I cannot guess about Russia, which is just broken.

9:51 PM

But hey, at least that one is totally free.

So far.

Actually perhaps I should ask her if they didn't silently start charging her.

Yeah, debit cards are not as universally accepted, it is true.

It's not even a debit card.

It's literally some all-new invention of VISA's.

I don't even know the name.

Yes, you really should. I have been screwed before by backdoor shennanigans.

Otherwise I'd just have said "debit card".

If you do not keep your eyes on things, they bleed you dry. Everywhere.

9:53 PM

well said^

But now I must be going. I thought it was two hours earlier than it is.

What ever happened to time.

Morrows.

later pal

night

2 hours later…

11:46 PM

@RegDwigнt Must be that kind of secured card where it's backed by a checking account and that's your "credit limit".

11:58 PM

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