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12:01 AM
Word of 05:01 am: antepenultimate ("This book has ten chapters — chapter 8 is the antepenultimate one")
@Cerberus The prescriptive pronunciation for pattes was /pat/ and for pâtes was /pɑ:t/. Parisians were more likely to follow it several decades ago, not that much these days.
I woke up at 04:00, feeling severe ahxiety, up to the feeling "it's hard to move", dry eyes, and a pressing sense of guilt. I've been keeping a psych diary for about 5 months, and now it has become almost automatic for me to type (or pronounce, when on phone, for phone's voice recognition soft to recognize) a line or two about my mental condition.
== Français == === Étymologie === (Date à préciser) Dérivé de antépénultième avec le préfixe pré-. === Adjectif === pré-antépénultième \pʁe.ɑ̃.te.pe.nyl.tjɛm\ masculin et féminin identiques (Rare) Quatrième en comptant de la fin. Qui précède immédiatement l’antépénultième. ==== Variantes orthographiques ==== préantépénultième pré-anté-pénultième ==== Vocabulaire apparenté par le sens ==== antépénultième pénultième ==== Traductions ==== → voir préantépénultième === Nom commun === pré-antépénultième \pʁe.ɑ̃.te.pe.nyl.tjɛm\ masculin et féminin identiques Quatrième depuis la fi...
A psychologist friend told me to read the book "The Happiness Trap", but I'm quite disorganized now, and I've only read several pages in a week.
@jlliagre Nice!
12:20 AM
@jlliagre Really!
I would have thought the other way around hmm.
So ça and patte had the same pronunciation.
12:35 AM
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Q: « Patte » contre « pâte » : qui fait encore la différence ?

F'xLa différence de prononciation entre patte (voyelle a antérieure) et pâte (voyelle a postérieure) tend à disparaître, nous dit-on. C'est vrai qu’elle n’est pas très marquée chez beaucoup de locuteurs, y compris moi-même, mais j'ai quand même l’impression de la faire (et je pense pouvoir dire, sur...

Enthic Russians in Russia, in 2010
I lived in "light green" up to age 16, and now I'm in "dark green"
The Tuva Republic clearly stands out as non-Russian
Tuva (; Russian: Тува) or Tyva (Tuvan: Тыва, romanized: Tıva), officially the Republic of Tyva, is a republic of Russia. Tuva lies at the geographical center of Asia, in southern Siberia. The republic borders the Altai Republic, Khakassia, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Irkutsk Oblast, and Buryatia in Russia, and shares an international border with Mongolia to the south. Tuva has a population of 336,651 (2021 census). Its capital is the city of Kyzyl. Historically part of Outer Mongolia as Tannu Uriankhai during the Qing dynasty, the last imperial dynasty of China, Tuva broke away in 1911 as the Uryankh...
> The territory of Tuva has been controlled by the Xiongnu Empire (209 BC – 93 AD) and the Xianbei state (93–234), Rouran Khaganate (330–555), Tang dynasty (647–682), Yenisei Kyrgyz Khaganate (7th – 13th century), Mongol Empire (1206–1271), Yuan dynasty (1271–1368), Northern Yuan dynasty (1368–1691), Khotgoid Khanate and Zunghar Khanate (1634–1758).
> ... The state's ruler, Chairman Donduk Kuular, sought to strengthen ties with Mongolia and establish Buddhism as the state religion. This unsettled the Soviet Union, which orchestrated a coup carried out in 1929 by five young Tuvan graduates of Moscow's Communist University of the Toilers of the East.[24]
I'm afraid that Russia will break up, and such regions as Tuva will split away
12:53 AM
Why do you think it will break up?
@Cerberus As a result of this Special Military Operation..
Mongol-Tuvan throat singing, the main technique of which is known as khoomei ( or ; Tuvan: хөөмей, höömey; Mongolian: ᠬᠦᠭᠡᠮᠡᠢ, хөөмий, khöömii, Russian: хоомей; Chinese: 呼麦, pinyin: hūmài), is a style of singing practiced by people in Tuva and Mongolia. It is noted for including overtone singing. In 2009, it was included in the Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity of UNESCO. The term hömey or kömey means 'throat' and 'larynx' in various Turkic languages. That could be borrowed from Mongolian khooloi, meaning 'throat' as well, driven from Proto-Mongolian *koɣul-aj...
@CowperKettle I haven't really heard much of independence movements, currently?
1:09 AM
@Cerberus Neither do I, but they sprang up like fire when the USSR got weakened by a drawn-out war in Afghanistan
The Republic of Tuva and the Republic of Buryatia have been sending proportionally probably the highest rates of their men to the Special Military Operation.
They will return with battle experience.
And the summer of 2023 showed us what battle experience makes, when Prigozhin's mercenaries almost reached Moscow.
They went like a hot knife through butter, almost casually thrusting through roadblocks and other obstacles
@CowperKettle Yeah I wonder how that was possible.
@CowperKettle But any large areas of Russia proper?
I mean, if a few more tiny bits split off, it won't make much of a difference?
1:30 AM
Fatty and Mabel at the San Diego Exposition is a 1915 American silent black-and-white short comedy film, directed by Fatty Arbuckle and starring Arbuckle and Mabel Normand. It was produced by Keystone Studios. == Plot == Fatty (Roscoe Arbuckle) and Mabel (Mabel Normand) are a married couple visiting the Exposition. Fatty gets in trouble by flirting with a passing woman (Minta Durfee) while Mabel shops. He chases the woman into a hula pavilion and makes approaches to the dancers. He is accosted by both Mabel and the woman's husband; eventually the police are called to straighten the whole thing...
@Cerberus Yes, probably it won't make a lot of difference
A movie with an electric car in it.
The two main characters drive an electrical two-seater car with wicker chairs
Hmm was it real?
If so, it probably wouldn't get very far...
The Electriquette is a two-seat electric vehicle with a bench seat and exterior made of rattan (wicker). It was battery powered and utilized a motor which was manufactured by General Electric. The Electriquette could be rented during the 1915 Panama–California Exposition in San Diego, California for a fee of $1.00 per hour (equivalent to $30 in 2023). A variation of the vehicle was later manufactured for disabled veterans of World War I. No original chairs are known to have survived; in 2016 new chairs were designed and reintroduced to Balboa Park in San Diego. == Background == The designer of...
> The original chairs weighed 450 lb (200 kg) and they could operate for eight hours without charging the battery.
Eight hours! I wonder what distance they could go in that time.
1:47 AM
> ...they had a top speed of 3.5 mph (5.6 km/h).
from Cowp's wikipedia link
Literally faster to walk
But that was probably only because they were to be used at the convention?
They could be produced to go faster, no doubt.
~45 km range at that speed but that doesn't account for idling time
Ah, right.
That is quite a lot.
It would seem somewhat similar to current minicars?
yeah I mean, nothing says it would move for 8 hours at its top speed.
1:49 AM
That is also true.
It says it was a limitation built into the gearing, which was non-free-wheeling (meaning it couldn't exceed the limit even going downhill with the wind behind it) so probably they could have been geared higher...
Yeah.
> The motor was manufactured by General Electric and was 12 volts, 14 amperes, 2000 RPM, GE-1042 rated producing 3/8 horsepower. Power was delivered to one of the rear wheels which had a sprocket and the other rear wheel had a drum brake.
So, about 280 watts, more than my FTP
Assuming that the batteries could deliver prolonged bursts at 12A, 3/8HP is, I believe, more than the average bicycler...
@Criggie ha, I was just going to ask for a confirmation
1:52 AM
I'm down in the 150 watt range, for an hour.
Not that you're average bicycler...
these guys who can output 500W for an hour? Monsters
they are on a sailboat but still legging it to run the machinery
That role used to be called "Grinders"
Yes, that's wild.
and then there are people who can spring at 1000+ watts, albeit for seconds.
And on the other end, folks like the guy in the Gossamer Albatross.
WP says .4HP in still air.
He crossed the Channel in 2:49 (H:M)
1:58 AM
The Gossamer Albatross is a human-powered aircraft built by American aeronautical engineer Dr Paul B MacCready's company AeroVironment. On June 12, 1979, it completed a successful crossing of the English Channel to win the second Kremer prize worth £100,000 (equivalent to £639,000 in 2023). == Design and development == The aircraft was designed and built by a team led by Paul B. MacCready, a noted American aeronautics engineer, designer, and world soaring champion. Gossamer Albatross was his second human-powered aircraft, the first being the Gossamer Condor, which had won the first Kremer prize...
yeah 300 W would be a big ask for most cyclists.
2:48 AM
@Criggie I can do 300 for a while, and my max is 800-900 (briefly), but my average on most rides is around 125-130.
I'm not gonna ride the Gossamer Albatross anytime soon!
I don't have a power meter or anything, so I'm probably being optimistic using strava's estimates over time.
My new bike has a built-in power meter. I never cared about it to buy one independently, but it's an interesting stat.
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yeah they cost more than my entire bike, so its not happening any time soon
My Strava account provides an approximate power output for my rides, based on my weight and on the weight of the bicycle.
3:03 AM
yeah - they vary wildly with head/tailwind so I've been averaging the days when there's no wind, to get my numbers. Hence the wide margin of error ;)
@Criggie It was advertised as a rickshaw replacement, so that seems to have been the intention.
I know a guy named Rick Shaw.
Worse, he's a cyclist on Strava
I find it kind of astounding that rickshaws--the old, manually-pulled kind--were ever considered a good idea or a normal part of society. Of course a few places have them even now.
I almost bought one a couple months ago
For what purpose?
3:10 AM
For "why the hell not?"
It was $1 initially
hit $610 in the end
@Criggie When I click that it just says "This item was sold to another member."
Oh wait. I just had to scroll down.
Odd - maybe it knows you're not in NZ
That's not the kind of rickshaw I was talking about--that one has pedals.
I meant this kind:
you mean the ones witha person in the middle?
ahhh yes - they pre-date pedals so coolie-powered :-\
Word of the day: coolie. (usually offensive) An unskilled laborer or porter usually in or from the Far East hired for low or subsistence wages.
well if you're towing a rich person in a wagon, your cost is lower than that of a horse or donkey
Its a name for a role, not intended offensively. The role is the offensive bit.
Wikipedia says: "In the 21st century, coolie is generally considered a racial slur for Asians in Oceania, Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Americas, particularly in the Caribbean." So it does seem to have shifted.
interesting - I'm specifically taking about the person between the posts.
I didn't give them a gender or race or ethnicity.
3:18 AM
Something interesting from Wikipedia about their decline in the 20th century:
> Hand-pulled rickshaws became an embarrassment to modernizing urban elites in the Third World, and were widely banned, in part because they were symbolic, not of modernity, but of a feudal world of openly marked class distinctions. Perhaps the seated rickshaw passenger is too close to the back of the laboring driver, who, besides, is metaphorically a draught animal harnessed between shafts.
yeah - that person costs less than a burden-beast, like a donkey or mule
Indeed. I think that that quote explains why the idea seems shocking nowadays. (Though apparently there's a business called "Ottawa Rickshaws" where it's a fun novelty experience.)
-grin- I bet its not cheap
Mind you there's two immediate positives - your ride has a built-in narrator
and they're getting a helluva workout.
I suspect--based purely on the demographics on their insta page--that most of the customers are women who want the opportunity to ogle the muscular guy pulling them around.
heheeh I dunno - I know a sweet man who would totally be into that too.
Storytime - locally we have Provincial Rugby as a sport
Its not a paid job, but you can go represent your province playing Rugby
So it was not unknown for the Rugby team to have fairly menial jobs like running behind a rubbish truck and flinging rubbish bags up into the truck for 10+ hours a day, and have Friday off to prepare for Saturday's game
This is in the days before compactor rubbish trucks and bins, so you had a plastic sack, and the truck was just a lorry with sides.
So the bag had to go up ~4 metres to get into the truck
Great practice for rugby
3:25 AM
Here a fair number of schoolteachers also have jobs as e.g. Uber drivers because they're paid so poorly.
'Murica.
that's a newer truck with the compator on the back
But yeah - team of 7 guys plus driver on one route.
Now that would be done at half the speed by one driver and a grabber-arm.
Definitely muscle-intensive
At least the rugby players get paid in CTE diagnoses.
cte ?
Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) is a neurodegenerative disease linked to repeated trauma to the head. The encephalopathy symptoms can include behavioral problems, mood problems, and problems with thinking. The disease often gets worse over time and can result in dementia. Most documented cases have occurred in athletes involved in striking-based combat sports, such as boxing, kickboxing, mixed martial arts, and Muay Thai and contact sports such as American football, rugby league, rugby union, Australian rules football, professional wrestling, and ice hockey. It is also an issue in association...
oh - boxer smash
3:29 AM
Apparently it affects rugby players also.
yep totally - they don't wear helmets or padding, so it tends to hurt both sides
Here some studies showed that it affected (American) football players, and the NFL tried to cover it up, to the point of trying to get studies about it retracted.
@alphabet And football players.
Not American.
A header is a technique that is used in association football to control the ball using the head to pass, shoot, or clear. This can be done from a standing, jumping, or diving position. Heading is a common technique and is used by players in practically every match. Although a useful technique in football, heading carries significant health risks, particularly to the brain, and governing bodies have taken measures to address these risks. == Usage == In general, a forward uses a header to score a goal, while a defender mostly uses a header to prevent the scoring of a goal by the opponent. When the...
yeah those balls can be heavy, more so when water-logged leather was the thing
Why we still encourage children to take up those sports I do not know.
3:49 AM
some kids need an outlet for their... energy
Why is ELU encouraging struggling foreigners to adopt a mode of "Me talk good" speech that will only get them regarded in a highly negative light?
Because we aren't here to teach foreigners; if they want useful answers for learning English they can go to ELL. If you ask on ELU, you can expect to get answers that correctly describe the language, which may or may not provide good guidance for learners.
Per my answer to that meta question earlier:
> The difference between ELU and ELL is not the ease of the questions being asked. The difference is one of target audience; ELU is intended for use by native speakers, or proficient non-native ones, whereas ELL is intended for those currently learning English.
> Such audiences require a different kind of answer, typically one focused on making the asker a proficient speaker rather than explaining the structure of a language of which the asker and answerer already have a shared knowledge. In general, I think it's best to only migrate a question to ELL if (a) the asker describes themself as a learner, or if (b) it's the sort of question that a native speaker would be very unlikely to ask.
4:07 AM
@alphabet ELU is very much also for guidance, especially stylistic!
@Cerberus To an extent. If a question is asking about what is good style, in the sense of being aesthetically pleasing, it will generally (and rightfully) get closed as opinion-based. Of course questions about what would be considered appropriate in formal registers are on-topic.
@alphabet No!
Asking about good style is an important part of our site.
4:27 AM
@Cerberus In practice, I believe that such questions do, indeed, get closed as opinion-based. Because they are. There's no way to objectively answer them.
@alphabet Only by the more recent kabal.
Many of our most upvoted questions are about what is good style.
You can ask which forms are preferred by usage guides, but following them to the letter quite often leads to writing that sounds worse to most people, and they don't agree with each other on all counts.
You can ask which forms sound good, but that's not a question one can answer based on reliable sources; you'd need to conduct some sort of survey for it to reflect a general consensus rather than your own personal taste.
None of this is what a good stylistic answer looks like.
Although even curt stylistic answers (lowish quality) can be useful because of the democracy of voting.
And it looks like...?
Voting is a terrible way to settle stylistic issues because of how unrepresentative this site's audience is.
It looks like advice based on strong reasoning, preferably with examples and what others have written about the stylistic issue.
@alphabet It is representative of better writers than the average person.
Especially the people who actually vote on such a question (many people without knowledge will have no opinion and won't vote).
4:36 AM
@Cerberus I doubt it. This site has a lot of engineers and quite few professional writers.
But it is mainly people who care about the language who will vote on such things.
I'm not aware of any evidence of that, and plenty of people who care about the language don't actually know how to write particularly well.
I'm afraid that Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel has won here. We're teaching people to sound like uneducated idiots who caint get no good job nevers because uv this.
This is not why we are here.
You can cite what others have written about the issue. But in that case the question you're answering is "What do usage guides say about X?" rather than "Should I use X?"
@alphabet No, that is only part of a good answer.
4:39 AM
You won't even graduate high school where I come from if you write that way.
It needs to be tied together with good argumentation.
Examples.
Etc.
@tchrist Did you have a specific text in mind?
These "you're not the boss of me" children can sweep floors for the rest of their lives.
The junk on the main site.
The question was asked by this user:
Go ahead, guess whether he's a native speaker.
What question?
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Q: Is "She played good" a grammatically correct sentence?

デリエゴくんAs far as I understand, "good" is an adjective and "well" an adverb. Therefore, She played good. is incorrect and should instead be She played well. However, I am a tennis fan and I watch a lot of player interviews and press conferences. I have noticed more and more that some American English...

It's clearly a grammatical error that any 3rd grade teacher would deduct points off your homework for.
That's like you don't get to learn people things in English.
Just because uneducated idiots talk that way doesn't mean it's tolerated in educated circles.
Just burn down all the schools.
And we are doing a disservice to nonnative speakers to pretend they can do whatever they please just because the uneducated do it.
They can't. They'll be looked down as too stupid to get a job.
@Cerberus The trouble is that that sort of argumentation often involves inventing and then prescribing arbitrary rules.
4:45 AM
Like I said, there will always be stinky lavatories that need scrubbing for those people. We should aim higher than that or else we are part of the problem not part of the solution.
Of course, if it's a rule that people characteristically follow in formal registers, then one can absolutely ask about it. But then the question is "Is X used in formal registers?"--which isn't opinion-based and can actually be answered.
There's a reason that public education is required in this country.
Stop pissing off against doing what you're told, children.
Lambie is right.
@tchrist Right, that bit about its not being an error is off. But otherwise the top answer makes it clear that you shouldn't use it in non-colloquial contexts, so readers of the answer will understand?
@alphabet Not arbitrary, but well reasoned.
I don't know. You shouldn't use it in WRITTEN contexts nor in any spoken contexts where you are expected to sound like you're an educated human being.
@alphabet Good stylistic advice is not merely statistics.
4:48 AM
You have to tell them that you will sound like you had no education or a poor one, and that you will be judged for that.
@tchrist Don't you think readers will get that?
@Cerberus Few of them consistently help people to communicate more effectively, to sound more polished, or to produce mellifluous writing.
@tchrist I suppose that could be emphasised more.
"colloquial" doesn't mean you're supposed to use unacceptable grammatical constructions.
@tchrist But Lambie's answer is the most wishy-washy...
4:49 AM
I know.
It was not her answer I referred to but her comment.
@alphabet I don't understand why you say that.
That is exactly what stylistic advice is supposed to do.
Sure, if your speech is dialectal or unschooled. — Lambie yesterday
It's the truth.
Right.
Of course no reasonable person, excluding snobs, would judge people for using "good" in informal conversation. But most would judge it if you used it in (say) a job interview where I work.
Many people are snobs.
Or: everyone is a snob in some things.
4:52 AM
People would judge you for using it in more formal contexts, of course.
> It is always nice to talk to someone who speaks well.
Somebody said that here recently.
The contrapositive is also true.
What crazy person could have said this.
@tchrist Yes.
And I find that sloppy language is often harder to understand. Especially references suffer.
But the few people who would judge someone for using it in informal contexts are not the sort of people I, at least, would want to impress or befriend.
People just each other's aesthetics all the time.
It is part of life.
@Cerberus It is supposed to do that--but much of the advice you get from those sources (especially Strunk & White, of "adjectives are bad" fame) doesn't do a particularly good job at it.
4:56 AM
I can be friends with someone who is poorly dressed. But I will notice.
@alphabet "There exists bad advice" doesn't mean no advice should ever be given.
There exists a lot of good, well reasoned advice.
@Cerberus Where, specifically, if you don't mind my asking?
On this site, in various style guides, from one of your teachers, etc.
I'm sure you could give someone good stylistic advice on certain issues.
@Cerberus Be more specific. Which style guides? Which teachers? Which answers on this site?
I do not obey commands, I am a fey hound.
Good choice, since nearly all modern style guides will disagree with you about e.g. "singular they."
5:01 AM
From The Fuzzy Duckling (Jane Werner Watson, 1949): "But no one would come for a walk with the fuzzy duckling. So on he went, all by his lone." Huh? Jane was born in Michigan in 1915. Do they still say "all by his lone" there?
@alphabet That is just ugly.
@Cerberus What is?
Some modern style guides are indeed 100% PC and less helpful.
'Singular' they.
Which isn't even singular.
Ok. So which style guides do you consider good?
@HippoSawrUs It may be an archaism?
@alphabet I don't know or use many. But Fowler's has a good sense of style.
5:04 AM
Surely many writers would prefer to cater to modern tastes than to old-fashioned ones, so ceteris paribus it would be more advisable to follow newer editions.
Writer can pick whichever style of style guide they prefer.
@Cerberus Excellent choice! They recommend the usage of "singular they" in editions dating back to the 1990s. You are right, though, that the term is misleading; the pronoun is still treated as plural.
@Cerberus So you're saying it's just a matter of taste? Dare I say, of opinion?
They can read the reasoning, consider whether they like the style guide's own style (an important clue!), see what sources it uses, etc.
@alphabet Are you trying to make a point here?
@alphabet Of course style and any kind of aesthetics are about feelings and opinions as well, aren't they?
@Cerberus My point is this: plenty of people--like you!--will find that their personal aesthetic tastes disagree with those of reputable style guides.
And?
I don't agree with Fowler on everything, it's not the Iliad or something.
5:07 AM
But this is the problem: because it comes down to a matter of taste, questions about these matters typically can't be answered on the site, since they're opinion-based.
Some of the best posts on our site and SE as a whole greatly involve opinion.
But not just an opinion.
Here's the problem. Suppose someone asks about "singular they" and you post an answer saying it's ugly. Someone else posts an answer, citing Fowler, saying it's perfectly good. Who do we upvote? How do we mark the question as answered?
Just as the best teachers in art school could not teach you how to paint well without giving you a taste of their opinions.
Or preferences.
@alphabet If both answers display sound reasoning, both may get many votes.
Most questions on our site are not about finding plain proof like in mathematics.
Language is not a natural science.
@Cerberus That would be fine if we were giving out grades in a writing school--but we're not; we're a Q&A site about English, and we should be answering questions that can be given an objective answer.
Moreover, writing well can hardly be reduced to following rules grounded in "sound reasoning."
I'd say further that it's pretty hard to judge the aesthetic appeal of (say) the usage of a single grammatical construction in isolation; you need the surrounding sentence and context, and in some cases the nature of the work being written.
That's why your English teacher grades papers, not individual sentences.
Deliberately doing what you're told not to do is not a plan for success. It's just being a problem child.
5:24 AM
@alphabet What does "objective" mean?
@alphabet That is a straw man.
Unfair.
@alphabet Well, of course. A good answer will take that into account, won't it?
To be unschooled is not a positive trait in our culture.
@Cerberus Oh, like worded to make it seem like an old fairy tale or such?
Let's not trick foreigners into thinking that sounding unschooled is a positive thing for them to emulate. It's not.
Here are some questions that I wouldn't call opinion-based:
1. Is "singular *they* typically used in formal contexts?
2. Do experts on style and usage consider "singular *they*" acceptable?
3. Is "singular *they*" frequently used by good writers?
4. Are sentences containing "singular *they*" grammatical (from a descriptive point of view)?
The Taming of the Shrew or My Fair Lady?
5:32 AM
She wrote ~150 Little Golden Books; one of their original editors.
Here are some questions that I'd say *are* opinion-based:
1. Is it OK to use "singular *they*"?
2. Is it bad style to use "singular *they*"?
3. Is "singular *they*" grammatically incorrect (in the prescriptive sense)?
Of course a question like "Is it OK to murder someone?" aren't opinion-based--but that's an issue of ethics, not aesthetics. There are cases where using certain language could be considered morally objectionable, but those aren't the questions I'm talking about.
@HippoSawrUs Yeah.
But I don't know the author nor the text.
@alphabet But good answers to your good and your bad types will be very similar.
@alphabet Are you suggesting aesthetics does not involve taste and opinion?
@alphabet !. Yes 2. No. 3. Not since my jr. high English teacher died.
@Cerberus Possibly! But I think that, when we get questions of the latter kind, we should ask the OP to rewrite their question to be one of the former kind--and, if they won't, it makes sense to close it as opinion-based.
@Cerberus That's the opposite of what I'm saying.
@alphabet I don't agree.
Mere statistics questions are far less interesting. And also far less useful for people wanting stylistic advice, as most people do.
They are less inviting of good answers.
5:41 AM
@Cerberus I think they're certainly more inviting of definitive and accurate answers that reflect the truth rather than the tastes of the answerer (which may or may not reflect those of the people who will be judging their writing).
The answers on a Q&A site ought, at least, to be factually accurate.
There you go, "the truth".
Yes, there I go!
"Factually".
Yes. I have something of a personal preference for truth and facts.
Our use of language cannot be reduced to truth and fact, it is not a natural science.
Aesthetics is essential to language.
5:44 AM
Questions of the former kind I mentioned can be answered with true statements of fact.
It is one of the two most interesting aspects of it.
And it is not about truth or facts.
Just as painting styles cannot be reduced to truth or facts.
A Q&A site should be about truth and facts. I am staunchly in the pro-truth-and-facts camp.
Asking for stylistic advice in painting and language are similar in this way.
@alphabet A mistake.
Some of the top questions on your site are about stylistic advice.
On that note, I must go. The humans have left some highly theftable trash outside.
I just ate 12 pumpkin-spice caramels like I needed the wrappers to deactivate a bomb…somehow. No more real candy! Dang. Till Halloween. GN.
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5:50 AM
@alphabet Have fun.
@HippoSawrUs We are only animals.
6:06 AM
 
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8:19 AM
I installed Files app for Windows which supports multiple tabs file explorer. Then uninstalled two minutes later because it was using 220MB RAM.
8:44 AM
Everyone discusses about the glottal attack in English, but I seem to have pharyngeal attack instead.
the ease [ðɪ ʕiz].
9:18 AM
Nevermind, it turns out I confused a stress to a [ʕ].
Reminder: NURSE [nɝs], START [stɑʕt], NORTH [noɻθ], FORCE [foɻs], NEAR [niə̯], SQUARE [skʷɛɐ̯], and CURE [kʏə̯]. That's how I mess with rhotics.
 
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1:31 PM
Wordle 1,179 5/6

⬛⬛⬛🟩⬛
⬛⬛🟨⬛⬛
🟨⬛⬛⬛⬛
🟩🟩⬛🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
Daily Octordle #960
4️⃣5️⃣
🔟🕚
9️⃣7️⃣
🕛8️⃣
Score: 66
1:51 PM
@Robusto @Cerberus They finally corrected Sunday's WhenTaken!
#WhenTaken #194 (08.09.2024)

I scored 882/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 193 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 228 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 191 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 3772 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 131 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 477 km - 🗓️ 11 yrs - ⚡ 168 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200

https://whentaken.com
@jlliagre 1) Are there any actual words with preantepenultimate stress?
2) is there a word for stress on the syllable right before the preantepenultimate syllable.
@Mitch You're stressing us out.
3) is there a spell checker that allows preantepenulitimate as a word (spoiler: the answer is no).
@Robusto I amb accentuating the positive.
@Mitch fifthsyllablebeforetheend.
Dactyl.
@Robusto That word is heterologous.
1:55 PM
@Mitch Stresses like that aren't metric because they're measured in feet.
@Robusto Imperialist!
@Mitch No, just talking commune sense.
Now you're just kibbutzing.
@Mitch Do you think that word israel?
Your mispelled pasttime.
2:03 PM
Just to give you future shock.
I'm past all that now.
xvbbbbb
What I really came here for was to say...
Kitty on(key)board.
@CowperKettle Loved his minor role as Admiral Greer in the Jack Ryan movies such as The Hunt For Red October. Good voice reading the New Testament (KJV) too. R.I.P.
2:20 PM
@GratefulDisciple He played Alex Haley (the author) in the Roots sequel. Where he goes to Ghana to visit relatives he never knew
2:34 PM
oops... Gambia
Or is it -the- Gambia?
Roots is a 1977 American television miniseries based on Alex Haley's 1976 novel Roots: The Saga of an American Family, set during and after the era of slavery in the United States. The series first aired on ABC in January 1977 over eight consecutive nights. A critical and ratings success over the course of its run, Roots received 37 Primetime Emmy Award nominations and won nine. It also won a Golden Globe and a Peabody Award. It received unprecedented Nielsen ratings for the finale, which holds the record as the third-highest-rated episode for any type of television series, and the second-most...
Sep. 10, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
💔 ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ 🎉

My Score: 2070
@Mitch Not in French, definitely. French stress doesn't work that way. Pré-antépénultième might nevertheless be used jocularly, for example here: Franck termine pré antépénultième de ce magnifique tournoi avec une perf à 1 260 000 millième et évite ainsi la cuillère de bois !! (source)
Sep. 10, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ 🎉

My Score: 2250
Daily Sequence Octordle #960
6️⃣7️⃣
🔟🕚
🕛🕐
⓮⓯
Score: 88
2:51 PM
Sep. 10, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ 🎉

My Score: 2300
Yay!
@jlliagre I... don't get it. I think I understand all the words separately. And is a wooden spoon a special punishment in chess?
But the big long word I just don't see how it fits.
@jlliagre Congrats! See, you can do it!
@Mitch Yes. They beat you with it if you lose. Where have you been?
@Mitch It's an idiom. La cuillère de bois, used in British English too.
A wooden spoon is an award that is given to an individual or team that has come last in a competition. Examples range from the academic to sporting and more frivolous events. The term is of British origin and has spread to other English-speaking countries. In most cases it is simply a colloquial term for coming last – there is no actual award given. == Wooden spoon at the University of Cambridge == The wooden spoon was presented originally at the University of Cambridge as a kind of booby prize awarded by the students to the person who achieved the lowest exam marks but still earned a third-class...
Leave it to the Brits to find an extra humiliation for those who lose competitions.
Gotta ride. Bye.
@Robusto I picked the first reply at random and was lucky. Most of the other questions were relatively easy or very easy. Nothing too US centric that time.
@Robusto The US has the similar Razzie Awards.
3:01 PM
@Robusto obviously not watching chess losers get beaten with a wooden implement.
@Mitch If the big long word is pré antépénultième, we usually say instead avant-avant-avant-dernier which happens to be longer but is understood by everyone.
@jlliagre Oh, then I will do it!
Was it still saved in your browser?
@Cerberus Yes, it was until I cleared the cookies to check.
And then you did the game again?
No, I posted the corrected results on chat before clearing them.
@Cerberus If I replay the same game, I'm afraid I would be tempted to use what I remembered from the results instead of what I remembered to have played :-)
Let's do it anyway.
3:20 PM
@jlliagre So you corrected the result manually?
You calculated the distance between your guess and the correct place, and calculate what score it should give you?
@Mitch Yup. Interesting why they put the "The" in the name, and interesting country border as well, basically along the river valley completely enclosed in Senegal without any natural boundary, like the border between Canada and the USA.
@Cerberus No, I refreshed the page and the results were updated.
Then what did you mean by I cleared the cookies to check? Check what?
@Mitch Haven't seen it yet, but I should put it in my list, also for James Earl Jones in the leading role.
@Cerberus I checked if the browser would forget my replies after it, and it did.
3:26 PM
Ah, OK.
#WhenTaken #194 (08.09.2024)

I scored 975/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 25 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 475 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 182 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 5 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 384.9 metres - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200

https://whentaken.com
Note: I cheated ;-)
I thought you checked whether the results has been updated.
I clearly lack photographic memory :-)
I wouldn't remember the exact years either!
I do think I would remember the city?
3:55 PM
#WhenTaken #196 (10.09.2024)

I scored 740/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 8579 km - 🗓️ 16 yrs - ⚡ 73 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 126 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 191 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 9 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 189 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 274.0 metres - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 16552 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 100 / 200

https://whentaken.com
Inconsistent, especially the last one!
4:29 PM
@GratefulDisciple oh hmm not exactly the main character
Alex Haley was the author of Roots the novel.
@jlliagre Hmm that is a bit of a distance.
The original series, only three 2 hr episodes, followed one ancestor from Africa around the late 1700s until about the (American) Civil War.
Alex Haley himself appears maybe at the end of that for commentary? I can't remember.
Then there was a second series Roots: The Next Generations which followed from the Civil War to the 1960s (and the time of Alex Haley doing the research about his family history). Only towards the end of that series does James Earl Jones appear playing Alex Haley.
Which is to say, JEJ doesn't appear that much.
Also, the first Roots was awesome... LeVar Burton played Kunta Kinte before ST:TNG
The second series was... not as awesome. Somehow just not as memorable.
But both series in sequence is great.
But really hardly any James Earl Jones so don't watch it for that
4:49 PM
@Mitch I still remember watching it when it came out. Kintay! Kintay!
@Cerberus Yes, I was at sea so I gambled...and lost.
That time, I can't blame a WhenTaken error.
@jlliagre Hmm I look forward to it.
5:05 PM
@Mitch OK. My mistake, John Amos and LeVar Burton (Star Trek NG) are.
@Mitch Oh, you already mentioned it.
@Mitch Thanks for the heads up.
All in all, I have to prepare to watch a sad and harrowing story of a dark chapter in human history. Maybe even worse than slavery in Roman time 2000 years ago.
@Mitch JEJ didn't appear much in the Jack Ryan movies either, but when he does, he commands a screen presence. Very much suited to play an Admiral / other senior executive positions.
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