English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Criggie

12:33 AM

@jlliagre nah - I have many things to be finished that haven't even been started yet.

@alphabet Do you have an RRS feed ?

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jlliagre

@Criggie Okay, I'm sure my son sometimes says Je dois finir mes devoirs (I need to finish my homework) even while he hasn't started to do them yet but despite being technically correct, this is considered a lie in French. Maybe English is less demanding.

alphabet

12:50 AM

@Criggie I merely repeat what I hear around the trash can. Of course, the vast majority of daily acts of antiraccoonist violence--say, expulsions by exterminators--are completely ignored by the human news media, so I can only post verifiable reports of the worst incidents.

Criggie

@alphabet RRS == Raccoon Related Shenanigans

@jlliagre I think its a kid-thing as much as a language thing :)

CowperKettle

1:44 AM

Neural-network analysis posits how brains build skills

CowperKettle

2:07 AM

Word of the day: Mistletoe haustorium

From L haurio - to draw, drain. From Proto-Italic *auzjō, from Proto-Indo-European *h₂ews-ye-ti, from Proto-Indo-European *h₂ews- (“to scoop, draw water”), whence also Proto-Germanic *ausaną (“to scoop, draw water”) and Ancient Greek αὔω (aúō, “to light a fire”), with the /h-/ likely inserted by hypercorrection.

alphabet

3:08 AM

@Criggie Not shenanigans, systemic oppression.

Institutional antiraccoonism. Procyonophobia.

We demand reparations in the form of stale donuts.

Also voting rights, equal representation in Congress, and membership on every corporation's board of executives.

But first the donuts.

Criggie

doughnuts

alphabet

We demand donuts, not doughnuts.

Criggie

why-not-both.gif ?

alphabet

Doughnuts would be nuts made of dough.

The single least useful sex toy in existence.

Donuts are what they sell at Dunkin Donuts.

And if you say Dunkin is wrong, I will send the entire population of the Boston metropolitan area to burn your house down.

Criggie

3:26 AM

Eat the holes - they're delicious too

Michael Rybkin

5:04 AM

Do this sentences sound fine to you guys?

These people will kick your ass. They're all military trained.
Let me wash out the coffee dregs from my cup. And now I'm gonna make myself another one.
Before switching the kettle on, wash it out to get rid of that boiling residue in the bottom.

Cerberus

5:24 AM

@jlliagre Not yet!

@jlliagre I agree.

Xanne

8:20 AM

#WhenTaken #163 (08.08.2024)

I scored 799/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 3057 km - 🗓️ 13 yrs - ⚡ 115 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 12 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 18 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 36 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 191 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 88 km - 🗓️ 89 yrs - ⚡ 96 / 200

Better than usual.

Dannyu NDos

11:28 AM

@alphabet Uh, it seems Pon De Lion is disappointed at you.

user 20458579510081670432

12:15 PM

Yup @jlliagre he's a 41 year old kid who has been winning conservative gold medals at the Olympics since he was 21.

user 20458579510081670432

12:35 PM

Interestingly, it looks like they created the 130 Kg weight class just for him. He won his first two Gold medals at 120 kg.

97 kg (214 lbs)
130 kg (287 lbs)

^that is the current top two divisions

120 kg (265 lbs)

They did something similar in heavyweight boxing by moving up the upper limit from 190 lbs to 200 lbs.

Robusto

@user20458579510081670432 "Conservative" gold medals? I thought that's what Trump/Vance won at the Republican convention.

user 20458579510081670432

Oops, *consecutive

Thanks for the catch pal.

Robusto

1:07 PM

@MichaelRybkin "Fine" is perhaps an overstatement, but they sound perfectly natural to me, a native AmE speaker.

user 20458579510081670432

I concur.

Robusto

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@MichaelRybkin Note that you can also use "kick your/my/his ass" in figurative contexts. Example: "This statistics class is really kicking my ass," meaning the speaker is finding it difficult to impossible. The context used in your example is a literal one (or a less figurative one: when someone "got his ass kicked" just means he was beat up.

Robusto

1:45 PM

#WhenTaken #163 (08.08.2024)

I scored 958/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 904 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 173 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 4 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 31.3 metres - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 189 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 6 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200

https://whentaken.com

@jlliagre I think this is my best score ever.

Mitch

@DannyuNDos Pon de Replay is disappointed in Mister DJ

Rihanna - Pon de Replay (Internet Version)

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jlliagre

#WhenTaken #163 (08.08.2024)

I scored 963/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 72.5 metres - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 189 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 112 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 191 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 2 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 193 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 264 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 190 / 200

https://whentaken.com

@Robusto Good job. I'm specially proud of identifying #1. I didn't use Google, just what WhenTaken shows.

Robusto

@jlliagre I just guessed on that one, and got pretty close, considering.

All in all, a fairly easy puzzle today.

Mitch

@jlliagre Yes. In English, in order to finish something it is necessary to have started it. I think it is not a grammatical thing (like aspect) but purely in the lexical semantics.

If you haven't started your homework, you would say "I haven't -done- my homework". It would be weird (or witty/unexpected) to say you hadn't finished it without starting it.

jlliagre

@Mitch Thanks, same in French. @Criggie was pulling my leg :-)

Mitch

1:59 PM

Also also, 'Pon de Lion' looks awfully like 'Ponce de Leon' ('Pon de Lion' is an unusual sequence to me)

Juan Ponce de León

Juan Ponce de León (, also UK: , US: , Spanish: [ˈxwan ˈponθe ðe leˈon]; 1474 – July 1521) was a Spanish explorer and conquistador known for leading the first official European expedition to Puerto Rico in 1508 and Florida in 1513. He was born in Santervás de Campos, Valladolid, Spain, in 1474. Though little is known about his family, he was of noble birth and served in the Spanish military from a young age. He first came to the Americas as a "gentleman volunteer" with Christopher Columbus's second expedition in 1493. By the early 1500s, Ponce de León was a top military official in the colonial...

I can't tell if the people who chose the name 'Pon de Lion' were trying to make a pun with 'Ponce de Leon' or not but the two phrases are -very- similar in English... or rather, there are no other phrases that are closer to those two than each other.

@DannyuNDos But also, this is the first time I've ever heard of the label 'Pon De Lion' (though, looking it up, I recognize the Pokemon-looking character)

CowperKettle

2:24 PM

Arabic-derived word of the day: noria -- The English word noria is derived via Spanish noria from Arabic nā‘ūra (ناعورة), which comes from the Arabic verb meaning to "groan" or "grunt", in reference to the sound it made when turning.

Robusto

@Mitch I suppose you could finish your homework without starting it if you never intended to do it at all: "I'm finished with my homework."

MetaEd

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Robusto

> If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X

Substitute FOX News (et al.) for "the newspapers" and you have the situation we're in today.

MetaEd

2:48 PM

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@Robusto I generally just shellac anything I want to finish.

Robusto

Har

MetaEd

"Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else."

Robusto

@MetaEd Fresh from your "366 Quotes for 2024" calendar? ;-)

MetaEd

@Robusto A fortune cookie database actually, but I have a problem calling anything a "fortune cookie" that (i) doesn't make a prediction and (ii) doesn't come wrapped in a cookie

Title: "In hindsight maybe I shouldn't have done that."

Robusto

Cue McCartney: "Maybe I'm Amazed"

Mitch

3:27 PM

@Robusto Yes, except 'finished with' is a lexically distinct thing, a phrasal verb meaning 'I am done with...' or 'I am not going to worry anymore about...' There's no inherent sense of an activity. "I hate that guy. I'm finished with him."

@Robusto Nice catch with the leap year.

@CowperKettle Very likely a thing somebody somewhere in the English cultural world used. But that's a new one to me,

@MetaEd Wait, was there a leap second last night?

I had -plans- for that second and now it's gone.

@Robusto Something something Plymouth Rock something something on you.

Robusto

@Mitch Yes. It was a stretch, but I felt like fucking around.

Mitch

@Robusto That's what this place is for.

Robusto

inorite

Mitch

Also uh-actualling uh-actualling.

Robusto

Uh, actually it would be uh-actuallying.

Mitch

3:36 PM

Someone just uh-actuallied me over on math.se about a comment I made years ago, and it turned out I wasn't actually wrong, but that he was answering a question in his own head that was only tangentially related to basically a question of mine rather than a statement.

The annoying thing was that he was right (about his own question) so I upvoted his comment.

@Robusto OK, I'm finished with this day.

Looking forward to lu... breakfast in a few minutes.

You know what the problem with SE is? People -never- actually answer your question.

They write stuff in the answer box. They get upvoted. The text has -something- to do with the question. But it hardly ever -answers- the question.

"What is 2+2?" "That's an interesting question! (I am not a chatbot). Most people think they know the answer, but really you shouldn't bother with environments and just delete python entirely and install the version you want".

I feel like, just like the Israeli-Palestinian news, things haven't changed in essence in 50 years.

I just want something like emacs.

It's like the only useful IDE changes every other year. So I always default to Notepad or pico.

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5:56 PM

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jlliagre

7:51 PM

@Robusto I probably wouldn't have thought about the country if I hadn't been there already.

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MetaEd

8:17 PM

@Mitch hahaha

user 20458579510081670432

::snort::

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alphabet

@Robusto Or uh-actualization.

alphabet

9:34 PM

An interesting quote from an old UK newspaper article:

> And how much power will Kamala (pronounced Karmala) Harris wield?

Karmala. They're not wrong, I guess, for a UK audience.

Though they could have been consistent and told you to pronounce it "Karmerler."

jlliagre

9:56 PM

Daily Octordle #927
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Score: 67

alphabet

10:48 PM

Word of the day: car bra. "A (usually black) vinyl cover that attaches to the front of a car or other vehicle to protect the bumper, hood, and sides of the fenders from scratches."

How many brahs could a car bra bar if a car bra could bar brahs?

jlliagre

@alphabet Car bra on the front, truck nuts on the back!

jlliagre

11:41 PM

YIL poop deck, not what I initially thought :-)

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