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1:04 AM
Word of the day: gotta. Some resources will tell you that the omission of -'ve before gotta (as in "We gotta") is restricted to informal contexts, but this is pretty clearly false.
(Argh, SE's formatting doesn't show that those are three separate links.)
1:15 AM
This isn't just a fixed phrase or some purely phonetic thing, since using this construction with an intervening adverb is also very common even in formal registers.
But it does occur much, much less often with third person singular subjects; it's hard to find similar examples with "he gotta."
(Obviously this is only in speech; in formal writing the form gotta is generally absent, unless the author is trying to make a point of using it for some reason or other.)
Presumably this isn't a case of "invariant got" finding its way into standard dialects, since "We got to" is pretty clearly disfavored. If you follow H&P's analysis of forms like wanna, you should probably say that gotta has been reanalyzed as a catenative verb that only has a present tense, non-3rd-person-singular verb.
*verb form.
1:51 AM
@M.A.R. - I wonder if "magnetic therapy" is used in Iran. In Russia, it's widespread in state-run clinics.
Your leg or arm or whatever is being put in a static magnet and it's supposed to help
I think it's pseudoscientific
2:23 AM
@CowperKettle That sounds questionable to me. I'm sure someone has proposed it as a treatment for Chronic Lyme Disease, though.
 
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Funny flavours?
@CowperKettle I recognize all of them.
@Cerberus Oh.. I did not buy it, since it was during my work
@Cerberus Which one is funny tho?
4:17 AM
@DannyuNDos I can't read it, but maybe there is salmon flavour?
You mean the one with a shark drawn on the package? That one is orange and strawberry flavoured.
@DannyuNDos I didn't even look at the packages!
#WhenTaken #160 (05.08.2024)

I scored 959/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 38.2 metres - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 64 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 193 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 327 km - 🗓️ 11 yrs - ⚡ 171 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 12.2 metres - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200

https://whentaken.com
*Cough* And that one is named Jaws Bar.
5:20 AM
A video made with AI
@CowperKettle Pretty funny.
But it is better to say that the author used various AI tools to generate the elements in the video.
6:25 AM
He did use the word "with;" but eventually, it will become "by."
Ohh I see it now.
Why did I read that as "by"??
7:41 AM
Probably just a natural reflex of expectation @Cerberus rereading usually corrects that.
8:38 AM
#WhenTaken #160 (05.08.2024)

I scored 846/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 1096 km - 🗓️ 24 yrs - ⚡ 107 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 1261 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 158 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 149.9 metres - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 71 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 185 / 200
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9:52 AM
@Robusto 👍🏾 Also when you say "studied", I assume you learnt it in good details. How long it would take to learn "basic" Spanish? (So I can read and write basic sentences).
10:14 AM
> Humans have long regarded raccoons—renowned for their ability to jimmy their way into locked garbage cans and enter seemingly impassable attics—with a mixture of awe and scorn. A new study may shed light on how clever these “trash pandas” really are. science.org/content/article/…
Noun: coucher de soleil m (plural couchers de soleil)
  1. sunset
  2. Antonym: lever de soleil
11:03 AM
South Korean government has lowered the area of regions of Armenia with level 4 travel alert.
11:57 AM
> Bangladesh PM resigns and flees country as protesters storm palace | BBC News
12:49 PM
@CowperKettle Scams usually have a cultural aspect to them. I wonder what makes Russians more fascinated than other people about magnets.
Well, I may be biased, as part of this healthcare system myself, but usually the attitude towards pseudoscience is admirably consistent and critical by doctors and pharmacists, which are the main providers anyway.
There are all sorts of shady dealings going on, lots of unethical practices, but they seldom involve outright scamming the patients.
As for what the scams here are, they're actually more widespread and diverse than Russia, I suspect. It's just that "official channels" -- doctors, healthcare organizations, and what-not -- don't endorse them.
Often revolving around "islamic medicine", "Ibn Sina medicine" and so on and so forth.
@Vikas It's good to know that parts of the world retain that old-fashioned outlook on life
1:09 PM
"Islamic medicine" is total horse crap. "Imam Sadiq water", prayers to ward off evils, that sort of thing.
"Ibn Sina" medicine is just a modern-ish interpretation of Iranian traditional medicine. It supposes that there are four "modalities" involving health, and the imbalance between them causes disease. Various foods have dominant attributes relating to one of these modalities, so it emphasizes a balanced diet.
It's not totally horrible, but I'm sure Ibn Sina himself would have scoffed at ditching modern science in favor of 1000-year old theories.
@Vikas I don't know your level of ability or interest, so I can only tell you it takes as long as it takes. I began Spanish with Duolingo in 2014 or 2015, then when I retired I took Spanish classes at the university, started reading Spanish stories, finally tackled a full-fledged novel (La tabla de Flandes by Arturo Pérez-Reverte) and tried to get as much conversational Spanish in as I could. This year in Mallorca I was able to converse freely in Spanish (though Catalan was beyond me).
So ... how long does it take? At any point along the way I could have said "I'm done," I suppose, but I was never really done and I'm still not.
In this thriving market you of course also have kooks endorsing the typical nonsense. Homeopathy, energy therapy and hydrotherapy are notable examples.
Language learning is something you should always be doing, even about your native tongue. There's always more to know.
Very rarely a medicinal doctor or pharmacist conflates their faith with their science and buys into some of the less crazy parts of this heap of pseudoscience. Say, Ibn Sina medicine doesn't sound obviously against modern science (until it does and gives outright harmful advice that conflicts with modern medicine), so some doctors treat it with reverence, if they're not outright endorsing it.
@M.A.R. I wonder if they're aware that this is exactly what Christian Science is all about.
1:24 PM
Most everyone worth their salt explicitly forbids pursuing traditional medicine cures though, chiefly because of drug interactions, though there are other reasons too, for example, non-compliance with the real treatment in favor of feel-good tonics.
They were all like :-&
@Robusto What does that entail, exactly? Those uh, New Age Creationists or whatever they're called?
> This includes the view that disease is a mental error rather than physical disorder, and that the sick should be treated not by medicine but by a form of prayer that seeks to correct the beliefs responsible for the illusion of ill health.
Oh.
@M.A.R. It's all about ignoring science and trusting in god.
@M.A.R. Yes.
If you're really trusting in god, you will be saved. Which is nonsense, of course.
Fortunately this is too crazy to be considered plausible by any doctor, it's more akin to the "Islamic medicine" I mentioned above, which is shunned by all except the scammers themselves and the desperate.
Jul 11 at 23:38, by Robusto
@tchrist All this makes me feel like a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
1:33 PM
There is of course that sense of rivalry. So alt medicine proponents of all levels of craziness here call modern medicine "Western medicine".
@Robusto Now I get that joke!
But it's like the Mark Twain quote on flat Earthers. Ibn Sina proponents are clearly not as wrong and despicable as homeopaths et al.
Speaking of Mark Twain ...
@M.A.R. Or as bad as, say, chiropractors.
2:03 PM
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2:42 PM
#WhenTaken #160 (05.08.2024)

I scored 923/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 50 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 1789 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 153 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 19 km - 🗓️ 13 yrs - ⚡ 175 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 748.5 metres - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200

https://whentaken.com
3:20 PM
Wordle 1,143 2/6

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3:40 PM
@M.A.R. Yes, I think so ))
@Robusto Adding to the humor is the fact that he did not say that.
@Robusto cut from the same cloth. (I just realized the Farsi counterpart of this idiom is exactly the same)
> The character &, when used by itself as opposed to more extended forms such as &c., was similarly referred to as "and per se and".[6][7] This last phrase was routinely slurred to "ampersand", and the term had entered common English usage by 1837.[4][8][9]
Also that's a picture of Londo Mollari.
@M.A.R. At the time, Ibn Sina had a line of desperate sick people going out his door and he was doing what he could.
@M.A.R. That's the psychiatric school of 'Quit complaining' or 'Snap out of it'.
3:58 PM
@Mitch He is sort of a Van Gogh, though not as extremely. He wasn't recognized at his time. But apparently my history prof said there are other pioneers that have done more important work, he's just the popular guy.
Like the guy that described the heart as having four chambers.
Or Razi. But Razi is also kinda famous.
4:28 PM
@M.A.R. Da Vinci? I think that must have been good marketing because I'd expect any hunter would know.
@M.A.R. Oh ...uh... right... that famous guy.
(some things just don't get as far as you'd think, this is the first I'd heard of him)
I'm pretty sure that Europe only cares about Arabic-Presian Scholars of the Islamic age because they 'preserved Greek knowledge' during the (European) Middle Ages.
It's all about the Europeans.
I managed to open some private messages on social sites today during a session with a psychotherapist
Not that it was hard to do, but I've been unable to do it since May and June, depending on the sender
I feel totally vulnerable and unprepared when trying to open a private message or a letter, especially from someone important for me.
4:50 PM
@CowperKettle Congratulations! I've been through things like that; I sympathize.
@Mitch Some 700 years before Da Vinci some Arab doctor did it first. Ibn Nafis Qureshi or however that's Romanized.
Romanizing Arabic is so awkward I wanna close this tab and go to sleep.
Abū Bakr al-Rāzī (full name: أبو بکر محمد بن زکریاء الرازي, Abū Bakr Muḥammad ibn Zakariyyāʾ al-Rāzī), c. 864 or 865–925 or 935 CE, often known as (al-)Razi or by his Latin name Rhazes, also rendered Rhasis, was a Persian physician, philosopher and alchemist who lived during the Islamic Golden Age. He is widely regarded as one of the most important figures in the history of medicine, and also wrote on logic, astronomy and grammar. He is also known for his criticism of religion, especially with regard to the concepts of prophethood and revelation. However, the religio-philosophical aspects of his...
He's one of the most useful dead people to know.
@M.A.R. 1) lots of things are like that. Most of the things I learned in school should have been "X is the first -European- to do Y"
2) Qureshi looks right. (for the English version)
Qaddafi (the former ruler of Libya) notoriously had a different transcription every time it was written.
(Q|K|Kh|G|Gh)(a|ah)(d|dd|dh|ddh)(a|ah){f|ff){i|y|iy|e|ey|eh)
doing the math...
and that comes out to....
a lot
960?
I just saw a headline that said:
"Don't panic yet"
Now I'm all worried about when I should expect to panic.
5:20 PM
@MetaEd I thought that was kinda suspicious, but I went with it anyway.
@Robusto He did express that sentiment though. The quotation is fake, but the sentiment is not wrong.
@MetaEd Indeed. He is also often misquoted on things he did say.
@Mitch I mean, people sometimes make a big fuss about it, but that's just how history flows I guess. First it was the Greeks, then the Muslims, then the Europeans. Other societies helped a bit along the way.
Common knowledge: "The reports of my death have been GREATLY exaggerated."
Twain's actual written message: "The report of my death is an exaggeration."
Notice how Twain uses understatement to make a stronger, and funnier, statement.
5:43 PM
Today I decided to not 'turn over the apple cart' instead of just not 'upset' it. Who cares about upset or not upset apples anymore? Nobody. Retired cornucopia photographers? No, they could just turn an upset piece if time went backwards. Or airbrush them onto a charcuterie board. But an overturned cart means cider, and some turnovers, obvously.
@HippoSawrUs This story upsets me.
5:58 PM
@Robusto Me too, only not nearly so often. And usually by me.
6:12 PM
@HippoSawrUs upset means turn over...
6:32 PM
@Lambie If you burn a turnover, do you get a do-over?
6:58 PM
Or perhaps, a leftover.
@Mitch You gotta eat it, man, 'cause you can't use it like a combover.
7:33 PM
@HippoSawrUs You know, the cops arrested me when I didn't turn over my apple cart. Granted, I was running an unlicensed distillery.
@alphabet The judge however...
wait for it...
overturned it.
8:18 PM
#WhenTaken #160 (05.08.2024)

I scored 939/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 692.3 metres - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 353 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 185 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 886 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 162 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 4 km - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 195 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 4 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200

https://whentaken.com
@Cerberus Exactly the same score as yesterday.
@jlliagre Mine was a shade worse.
9:28 PM
@Robusto In #3, I thought I recognised on the right side a head of state who ended badly, but it wasn't him.
9:41 PM
@jlliagre I confused the nationality. I should have known better, given that the alphabet was obviously not what I thought it was.

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