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12:01 AM
There's currently an ad playing in CVS for the "sheengles" vaccine
Now that I've started noticing this pronunciation, I find it annoyeeng
Even infuriateeng
It's not English, it's Eenglish
@Robusto Yes, it's rare but not unheard: Lous (29 occurrences) compare to Loes (5807) and Louise (15030).
nods
@Robusto Right! Lous is no doubt far less common than Loes, so you can trust your Dutch instincts.
@jlliagre Ah you know of the institute!
12:18 AM
@Cerberus I know knaw ;-)
The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (Dutch: Koninklijke Nederlandse Akademie van Wetenschappen, abbr. KNAW) is an organization dedicated to the advancement of science and literature in the Netherlands. The academy is housed in the Trippenhuis in Amsterdam. In addition to various advisory and administrative functions it operates a number of research institutes and awards many prizes, including the Lorentz Medal in theoretical physics, the Dr Hendrik Muller Prize for Behavioural and Social Science and the Heineken Prizes. == Main functions == The academy advises the Dutch government...
@jlliagre That, too!
The Meertens Institute (Dutch Meertens Instituut) in Amsterdam is a research institute which studies and documents language and culture in the Netherlands as well as Dutch language and culture throughout the world. The institute is part of the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (Koninklijke Nederlandse Akademie van Wetenschappen or KNAW). Its two departments are Ethnology and oral culture, which studies and documents culture of everyday life in the Netherlands from an international, comparative, and historical perspective, and Language variation, which studies and documents language...
Look, they have painted this side entrance since then!
@Cerberus An winning tic-tac-toe on the coat of arms :-)
Why are there bars on only one window?
no - two... missed the basement one
Are they to keep people out, or... in ?
12:32 AM
@jlliagre The coat of arms of the city!
@Criggie Must be in, then!
Yeah maybe the bars are old and one set was removed?
@Cerberus Amsterdam wins!
I suppose so!
Against the abstaining opponent.
Why did I wrote "an winning"? I can't explain.
1:02 AM
You probably thought of a word beginning with a glottal stop before deciding to write winning.
@Criggie The place used to be Amsterdam Police headquarter so these bars to keep people inside some custody area would make sense. They strongly rearranged the facility. See how the layout looked like in 1909 here.
Het Spinhuis in Amsterdam was een tuchthuis voor vrouwen, aan de Oudezijds Achterburgwal. Het werd opgericht in 1597 in een deel van het voormalige Sint-Ursulaklooster. Er bestonden ook spinhuizen in andere steden. == Functie en geschiedenis == Het gebouw diende als een Huis van Bewaring met als nevendoel de bestraften weer op het goede pad te brengen. De veroordeelde vrouwen zaten in een grote zaal en moesten spinnen en naaien. Boven de toegangspoort stond de tekst "Om schamele meyskens, maegden en vrouwen t bedelen, leechgaen en doolwech te schuwen, is dit spinhuis hier gesticht". Dat het gebouw...
Good research!
2:04 AM
I've just eaten this, but what kind of noodles is this, in English?
Korean noodles are noodles or noodle dishes in Korean cuisine, and are collectively referred to as guksu in native Korean or myeon in hanja character. Preparations with noodles are relatively simple and dates back to around 6000 BCE to 5000 BCE in Asia. In Korea, traditional noodle dishes are onmyeon (beef broth-based noodle soup), called guksu jangguk (noodles with a hot clear broth), naengmyeon (cold buckwheat noodles), bibim guksu (cold noodle dish mixed with vegetables), kalguksu (knife-cut noodles), kongguksu (noodles with a cold soybean broth) among others. In royal court, baekmyeon (literally...
Bibim Myon
> Bibim naengmyeon - literally "mixed cold noodles." It is served with no broth but mixed with the spicy, tangy sauce called chogochujang, made from gochujang, vinegar, and sugar.
I expected more than just a transcription; I was wrong, I guess.
This isn't a "naengmyeon" anyway.
I just became curious and Googleimaged it ))
2:53 AM
Not even GPT!
We don't need no GPT education.
Hey GTP! Leave those kids alone!
Yes!
3:16 AM
Mmmmm Pudding.....
4:04 AM
@DannyuNDos The answer is probably some mangled transcription, possibly with an English word added to it.
4:21 AM
I'm finding it hard not to be mean, in my old age, but I'm finding it easy to just be mean for 24 hours. It doesn't have to last a lifetime. But I think all the sweet grandmas were on Valium or something now, maybe cooking Sherry; IDK.
What if Sherry doesn't want to be cooked? Perhaps she's all part of a twisted psychothriller plot ?
I thought so many of my old friends had become horrible people, years ago, but that was just the opioid crisis.
Dec 7, 2023 at 3:12, by alphabet
And (ideally) someday I too will be old. I plan to become bitter and resentful.
@Criggie Yikes! Women used to drink some sherry drink at sales parties. I can't remember what, but I think it just makes you pay too much for stuff.
Oct 15, 2023 at 0:07, by alphabet
I can't wait until I'm old enough to be considered "crotchety" instead of "obnoxious"
@HippoSawrUs I think they were only nice around their grandchildren.
4:36 AM
@alphabet Yeah, grandkids are pretty awesome.
It's nice to be adored.
But kids suck, man.
You should have like 10 so you'll have 2 decent people to care for you in your old age.
Bhahahaha
I blame the sherry…or Sherry.
@HippoSawrUs Probably not the best reason to have kids, but seemingly a rather common one.
Having kids seems like it would require getting my life together in some way.
 
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6:43 AM
Is there a way to disable the compass function on an Android smartphone? My navigation app drives me mad because it constantly uses this function while I'm bicycling, and rotates the city map the wrong way
 
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8:04 AM
I programmed a pirate game, but users said, the main character looks not enough like a pirate.
There will be a patch soon.
 
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12:23 PM
"The United States of Lyncherdom" is an essay by Mark Twain written in 1901. He wrote it in response to the mass lynchings in Pierce City, Missouri, of Will Godley, his grandfather French Godley, and Eugene Carter (also known as Barrett). The three African Americans were accused in the rape and murder there of Gazelle Wild (or Casselle Wilds) on August 19, 1901. Twain blamed lynching in the United States on the herd mentality that prevails among Americans. Twain decided that the country was not ready for the essay, and shelved it. A redacted version was published in 1923, when Twain's literary...
 
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2:06 PM
Very much worth watching.
2:31 PM
Why X in exon is not pronounced same as exam?
I checked pronunciation and exon is like ek-sawn.
@Vikas Do you mean Exxon?
@Robusto No the exon from biology.
And the answer is shrug.
Don't go looking for consistency in English spelling.
Yeah
Or pronunciation.
Or grammar.
Or anything else, really. It's a beautiful mish-mash, but still a mish-mash.
2:34 PM
I wonder how it got in there. Couldn't happen during packaging. Must have entered later somehow during transit.
3:11 PM
#WhenTaken #114 (20.06.2024)

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2️⃣ 📍 104 km - 🗓️ 24 yrs - ⚡ 134 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 7 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
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Wordle 1,097 3/6

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#WhenTaken #114 (20.06.2024)

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2️⃣ 📍 93 km - 🗓️ 12 yrs - ⚡ 174 / 200
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Wordle 1,097 4/6

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Daily Octordle #878
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Tough one.
@jlliagre You chose well on #5. Did my huge blunder have any bearing on that? ;-)
3:34 PM
@Robusto No because I played that game several hours ago. I wait for your post or at least that you show up here before showing mine. Here is what made me chose that country: spoiler
Daily Octordle #878
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Daily Sequence Octordle #878
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4:27 PM
@CowperKettle turn off 'auto-rotate'
On Android I think an easy way to get to it is, on any screen, swipe down from the top to get immediate setup things, but then swipe down again to get more options and one of those should be 'auto-rotate'
@CowperKettle I think it's the autorotate feature which does that in the map app. There may be another map specific feature (in its own features) that control that
@HippoSawrUs why do grandparents and grandkids get along so well? They have a common enemy.
@Vikas thinking about it hard I think it must be the stress: in 'exam' it is /eg 'zæm/ and 'exon' it is /'ek san/
4:55 PM
Hm ...that actually doesn't explain anything.
I can't seem to think of any (of probably many) examples that would establish a pattern.
5:06 PM
@Vikas in other news, the 3rd season of Panchayat just came out on Netflix in the US
5:20 PM
@Mitch 'ek means 'ek is pronounced quickly with stress, right?
@Mitch I have to watch it.
6:15 PM
Looking for a chat with actual real human persons to talk with, not the omnipresent surrogate bots with their AI generated nonsense.
Let's update our wetware mechanisms, our biological hard drives, real brains with real deal and intention of meaning behind every word.
@jlliagre Ah, OK. That was a spoiler
But you just can't go wrong betting on that country.
6:30 PM
@Robusto will do.
Thanks for sharing.
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6:47 PM
What city is located right in the middle of Czechoslovakia?
Oslo.
@Mitch No, the phone stays on my wheelbar, in the same position; it's just that the navigation app always tries to guess the best viewing angle for the user, and as I stop at a crossroads, it fetches compass info and rotates the city map in a weird way
@CowperKettle Next you'll be telling us that the US is located entirely within Russia.
@CowperKettle Good luck trying to think without language. And don't say, "OK, but ... math!" That's every bit as much of a language as English or Russian or Swahili.
Isn't communication why language was invented.
Look at the animals.
7:12 PM
@Mitch What about words like "exit" that can be pronounced either way, with the same stress pattern?
@user85795 So you really think language was "invented"? That some genius hundreds of thousands of years ago just thought, "Hey, what we really need is a means of communication!" And then ask yourself, "Hmm, wouldn't he have needed language to express that thought even to himself?"
@CowperKettle Has he threatened to retake Alaska yet?
@Mitch Exactly! But wait, maybe that's an exaggeration, and you're using it based only on your exigent needs.
@CowperKettle Maybe try different maps apps--at least some let you lock the orientation in place so e.g. north is always up.
7:28 PM
Anyway, I'm too busy to try to deal with epistemology here today. Phrased another way: I don't know how I could discuss epistemology here.
rimshot
lol
Invented and discovered, actually.
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That's spam from Outside+ (Should they have simply called it "Out!"?)
I sure wish Christians could see that their idol Trump is just another golden calf.
7:44 PM
@user402514 bleep bloop bleep
@CowperKettle Here's a thought: Maybe don't charge $199/yr for a subscription to Nature? And which came first, that idea or the communication of it? Deep somewhere in their Urbrain did the inchoate muttering torn into "Hey, we want money!" They got a money boner and it wouldn't go away?
Let's delve into that vital tapestry
@Vikas the stress mark ' before a syllable makes it stronger and possibly longer (not shorter)
@Mitch Sounds like someone got a stress boner.
@CowperKettle oh ok. Yeah I recognize that annoying reorientation but I don't know how to stop it.
@Robusto :awkward emoji:
@Mitch Hey, your words, dude. Maybe you want to rephrase that?
7:51 PM
@Robusto there was a so much more to thought that is not language. Sure, we communicate through language, and we often have a stream of consciousness in words or an inner voice, but that is not the majority of thought. Language just makes it easier to communicate.
@Mitch Sounds like you got a thought boner just now.
@alphabet responding to 'What about...' well yeah I can't think of the innumerable examples that would just lay out the rule.
But 'exit'? I don't think I can say 'exit' as /ek sit/. Feels weird.
So Microsoft's Copilot actually does tag their data. I asked it a question and they included two references in their answer.
@Robusto I don't know man I can barely sub vocalize all those to check. It's too hot out.
Also too hot in.
Even w A/C
@Robusto that's most likely not from 'tagging' their data. The most common way to get somewhat reliable references is to use 'RAG' nowadays, Retrieval Augmented Generation
@user85795 Animals communicate just fine without language, good enough for their purposes.
@Mitch What are you RAGging about? How does that work?
Blossom Puzzle, June 20
Letters: E G L S N O T
My score: 419 points
My longest word: 15 letters
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@jlliagre ^ new high score!
8:00 PM
@user85795 to @Robusto's point, language was neither invented nor discovered. It just happened little by little over the ages.
There are some theories that there was a gene (or set of genes) that developed quickly over a few hundred or thousand years that -enabled- the cognitive ability to have a large vocabulary (100s of words) and some basic phonology (production and hearing) and that syntax is a purely non-linguistic cognitive feature/side effect.
But it is not exactly a testable hypothesis (too many human-specific genes to choose from)
@Robusto RAG works by selecting a small set of documents that most likely have the answer to a fact-based question, and then submit the contents of those few documents as part of the prompt (the string you submit to ChatGPT). So the response is more likely from one of those documents than any of the training documents.
@Robusto link? I think I'd like a pack of ospreys. I have some ideas.
@Robusto some might say even moreso.
I don't know exactly who this 'some' might be.
Maybe an old friend half-forgotten, the name of a fast friend from kindergarten, never seen afterwards.
@Robusto On the one hand: I'm not aware of some special epidemic of LGBT people not enjoying the great outdoors enough. On the other hand, if I were going to go on a hiking trip with strangers, it might as well be with people I have something in common with.
@CowperKettle awesome paper (and author) I'm working through it and others of that group.
8:19 PM
"Warning: on our hikes you are likely to encounter bears."
@alphabet snort
 
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@Robusto Congrats!
 
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11:33 PM
I've decided to post the single most annoying answer in existence:
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A: Is there an Extended Backus–Naur form (EBNF) that covers all of English?

alphabetYes, technically. Another answer here claimed: If by "English" you mean "any utterance that might be written or uttered by a native English speaker", then English — and indeed any language for that matter — is far too complex probably for such a thing to exist. The issue is that there's an uppe...


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