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12:20 AM
@tchrist Who is Salvador Dalf?
@Robusto I can see you've been squinting at the 6 point caption cut.
Does that font come with reading glasses?
You know, like the compact OED came with a magnifying glass?
The thing about Arno Pro is that its x-height at a given point size is smaller than most.
This is why there are so damned many pages in the fourth edition of Programming Perl. Because we were first going to do it in Arno Pro, so we had to bump the x-height to like 11.6 but then towards the end we switched typefaces and forgot to reset the x-height to match.
That's at 12 points.
Looks more like agate in #1.
Well, #1 is cut for large display sizes only.
So it's far too spindly at anything smaller than what it was cut for.
12:27 AM
Any plans for a fifth edition yet?
No. There's certainly a lot that's changed. But I don't think I have it in me to go through all that again. It was written for v5.16 and we're at like v5.38 now.
We ended up using Adobe’s ITC Garamond rather than their Arno Pro.
Salvador Dalí's nickname and anagram is Avida Dollars.
o sea Salvador Domingo Felipe Jacinto Dalí i Domènech.
But I haven't found an anagram solver that takes that many letters. :)
Salvador Dalí i Domènech, marquès de Dalí de Púbol (Figueres, l'Alt Empordà, Catalunya, 11 de maig de 1904 - 23 de gener de 1989) fou un pintor, escultor, decorador, escriptor i pensador català, que va esdevenir un dels principals representants del surrealisme. Se solen atribuir les seves habilitats pictòriques a la influència i l'admiració per l'art renaixentista. Dalí va tenir l'habilitat de forjar un estil personal i recognoscible. Es considerava a si mateix més bon escriptor que pintor i assegurava que si havia de passar a la història preferia fer-ho com a pensador; la seva actitud còmica,...
The Catalan synthetic present perfect is just so weird: they use a present tense of anar (=andar, aller, ir) plus an infinitive.
> The Catalan verbal system is basically common to all Western Romance, except that most dialects replace the analytic perfect indicative with a periphrastic tense composed of vaig, vas (vares), va, vam (vàrem), vau (vàreu), van (varen) and the infinitive.
Everybody else uses something from habere.
12:47 AM
@tchrist I can't find how many languages your book has been translated into.
@user85795 Me neither.
I have six or eight translations myself.
Correction, it's a perfect but not a "present perfect".
Latin's simple perfect like -avi.
So preterite.
@tchrist is chinese and hindi among them
@user85795 Not Hindi (I think), but I have at least one or two whose script I cannot read.
All these seem pretty glib to me.
12:58 AM
What does that say about you :P
It says I dislike such captiousness.
Read: click-bait.
Resumptive of the day: "There are several [missing persons cases] that you drill down into them and they make no sense at all."
@Robusto they're fishing for your time.
Well, duh.
1:08 AM
and attention
@jlliagre Ce sont des singes capitulards bouffeurs de l’intelligence artificielle générative.
@tchrist Il ne manquerait plus qu'ils mangent du fromage !
@jlliagre Ça.
Zero new questions around 2026.
1:26 AM
If there are no more changes in the rate of change.
The bendy-elbow bits in the line.
Funny how their blog came out on leapday with stackoverflow.blog/2024/02/29/….
The time-honored rule of computing: GIGO.
> I..wrote a twinkation to Mr. Richardson about it, to which I received so civil an answer that I knew not how to be angry.
Googles twinkation.
> Twink
In addition to meaning to wink the eye, or to twinkle, or to tinkle, twink meant to chastise (by word or blow). Also twank, to spank. Both words seem echoic in origin. Elizabeth Carter ended a letter (1747): I have been called away ten times, and shall be twinked if I do not leave you. A year later, she wrote a twinkation to Mr. Richardson about it, to which I received so civil an answer that I knew not how to be angry.
1:48 AM
’Twas a nonce-word, apparently.
> admonishment, admonition, advice, butt-kicking, castigation,
caution, caveat, censure, chewing-out, chiding, dressing-down,
fliting, fratching, harangue, imprecation, jobation,
knuckle-rap, lecture, objuration, rant, reaming, reaming-out,
rebuke, redargution, red-flag, remord, reprehension, reprimand,
repriment, reproach, reproof, rucking, scold, scolding,
shrewing, slap, snib, snipping, snub, snubbing, telling-off,
tongue-lashing, twinkation, upbraiding, wake-up call, warning,
wrist-slap, wrist-slapping, wrist-tap, yellow-flag.
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11:45 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (63): A common term for a kitchen that is used for training purposes‭ by stack34‭ on english.SE
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2:08 PM
@alphabet Ceci explique cela:
Jul 5, 2013 at 23:55, by tchrist
[[Brent Corrigan won the "Best (Amateur) Twink Performer - Bottom" 2008 Golden Dickie for Fuck Me Raw while his studio at the time, Cobra Video won for "Best (Amateur) Twink Studio" largely through his films.]] Twink is a gay slang term describing a young or young-looking man with a slender, ectomorph build, little or no body hair, and no facial hair. In some societies, the terms fox, plum, chick, or chicken are preferred. The related term twinkle-toes, which implies that a man is effeminate, tends to be used in a derogatory manner. The terms can be complimentary or pejorative. Origin ...
2:35 PM
I'll never think about "twinkle, twinkle little star" the same again
2:48 PM
Wordle 987 4/6

How's life pal.
Just fine and dandy.
3:16 PM
Daily Octordle #768
Score: 73
Daily Sequence Octordle #768
Score: 58
Another inversion.
> Sometimes you eat the b'ar ... and sometimes the b'ar eats you.
3:49 PM
I have no animosity towards b'ars, I hope they understand
@M.A.R. That and $3.25 gets you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (89): Does a comma go there?‭ by Thentime‭ on english.SE
Smoke on the water.
Fire in the sky.
Online casino advertisement link in the answer
4:06 PM
I guess that's the new "Arab Spring" ...
Pfff, as if online gambling can't be rigged.
Sure, as was proven with the Poker Stars debacle 15 years ago. But my son played online he really hauled in the shekels. He would play six to eight tables at a time and make bets instantly based on the odds. He was, effectively, getting house odds with his twitch gaming.
4:44 PM
Wordle 987 3/6

5:08 PM
The close-happy are triggering again. They think this is a question about proofreading that fails to identify an area of concern:
Q: Subjunctive question

George TomlinsonI said something like the following to someone before and they questioned my grammar: I'm not saying it was the right play. I'm just questioning whether or not it were. The person I made a similar statement to thought the 'were' at the end of the sentence should have been a 'was', but I feel li...

Is there a medication for being a jerk? I mean for other people.
@Mitch I've heard there's a food for those who are afraid to call people out on that. You call that kind of person a "jerk chicken."
@tchrist 😂
@Robusto I love jerk chicken.
Well I hyperbolize. It's pretty good is all
How about jerk pork?
5:12 PM
can't remember ever having it
So maybe I've forgotten?
I'm sure there's an expired bottle of jerk sauce somewhere in our covid cupboard.
Because you never know.
So @M.A.R. could make money hand over fist if he came up with a medication that would reduce narcissism.
And maybe some preventative remedies for the symptom of being a jerk.
And someone else would make a killing for figuring out a surreptitious device for administering these remedies and mitigations unknowingly to the one 'sneezing' jerk all over.
I don't think MDMA would work. That might make it worse. The 'sick' person would just be smiling and dancing with colored scarves and lightsticks and hugging you while being a big fat jerk.
Maybe the usual anxiolytics would help a bit? (as it does with all those weird non-specific psych problems that are co-morbidities - anxiety, depression, um..., uh..., and some other psych things?)
Why aren't there institutes devoted to reducing the scourge of narcissism?
This is a huge unmet need. Blue ocean market space.
5:31 PM
@Mitch Maybe not. People who think they're perfect don't think they are narcissistic, or would admit to that fault if they did.
@Mitch I'm not so sure. It would require admitting that they're narcissists first
@Robusto Jinx
Curses. You were holding back because you suspected I would make the same point.
You're what's known as a "jinx trapper," which is not to be confused with "jerk chicken" ...
The real buck would be in making a drug that increases your social skills, boosts your confidence and libido, but people won't call you an addict for taking.
@M.A.R. But if there were such a drug, you could convince people you're not an addict, or that it was suddenly cool to be one.
I mean of course it's not just that. I've been wondering, philosophically and psychologically, is it possible to become happy with a drug without becoming apathetic, at least to some degree?
It makes sense to me that such sense of fulfillment will result in apathy in many and maybe stoicism in few people.
If a drug made you feel like you're hugging babies you would no longer be looking for babies to hug. Not as much anyway.
@Mitch maybe. I'm fairly certain the mainstay of treatment for narcissists would be CBT
I was really looking forward to an introductory psych course this semester. I need to know what exactly I'm recommending people, not just blindly follow the guidelines like some Bible
5:43 PM
@M.A.R. That's an interesting question. Happiness in humans is generally predicated on activity of some kind (even lazing by a stream on a summer day would qualify), and generally some work is required to achieve that end. If you could get that from a drug, the only action required would be taking that drug, or acquiring it if not immediately available. That's a pretty small loop of action -> satisfaction, as it is for junkies and their drugs.
Instead it's been replaced by a boring course which seems very redundant. "Counselling people on poisons" or somesuch. We've already taken toxicology and clinical toxicology courses
@Robusto yeah exactly. And I don't like what tends to follow that proposition
@M.A.R. For lack of a better term, call it "short-circuiting" societal interaction.
The experiments "they" have done with animals who get a button they can press to excite the pleasure centers of their brains will press the button till they die of starvation.
So perhaps pleasure should not be isolated as an end in itself.
I can't remember what that experiment was called. I'd like to find more about it.
6:13 PM
@M.A.R. or worse, when confronted with the 'diagnosis' of narcissism, they usually say 'well, yeah I'm a narcissist, I -am- better than everybody else, it's everybody else who needs to be fixed'
That's why I said -other- people would have to medicate the narcissist surreptitiously.
@Robusto it's called The Terminal Man' a novel by Michael Crichton
@M.A.R. if you just say it's a variant of the pomodoro technique or a way to get other people to recognize your genius, maybe they'll try it.
@M.A.R. that's why I mentioned MDMA. It makes you feel like you're hugging babies, but also you want to hug more babies, and really everyone in the universe
@Mitch Nah.
@M.A.R. a possible problem with wegovy/ozempic is that it reduces desire of anything (not just food)
Not libido itself just the drugs interrupt the 'button' pressing desire for food so that continuing to eat is not as fun.anymore.
@Mitch it does that? I wouldn't know.
What does GLP-1 have to do with libido? Hmm
Q: Our partnership with Google and commitment to socially responsible AI

RosieToday, we announced an exciting new partnership with Google to bring Google's Gemini to Stack Overflow and to provide Stack Overflow content directly within Google Cloud. The story of this partnership started about 16 years ago - with you, the community that made Stack Overflow what it is: the in...

@tchrist it stopped being funny quite a while back
6:27 PM
Brain stimulation reward (BSR) is a pleasurable phenomenon elicited via direct stimulation of specific brain regions, originally discovered by James Olds and Peter Milner. BSR can serve as a robust operant reinforcer. Targeted stimulation activates the reward system circuitry and establishes response habits similar to those established by natural rewards, such as food and sex. Experiments on BSR soon demonstrated that stimulation of the lateral hypothalamus, along with other regions of the brain associated with natural reward, was both rewarding as well as motivation-inducing. Electrical brain...
I think it's the Olds and Milner experiment.
Don't get me wrong, but I am sure this post would a lot better received by the community by keeping it factual and refrain from repeating these over-exaggerating marketing buzzwords from the press blog. The style of this post alone gives me the impression the company has lost any sense for how they should communicate with us to be taken seriously. — Doc Brown 2 days ago
Was this post written by an AI chatbot? Sure feels similarly bland and reassuring. — Robusto 10 secs ago
There's no sign on 143.
There is, there.
I'd noticed that quite a while ago too, I'm sure there must be a post for it
Maybe you should somehow convince them the sign is necessary for StackoverflowAI to function properly. They'd fix it yesterday
@tchrist Hey, Tom, have you ever had trouble with fingering notation? Specifically, the long trailing serif on the 1 (one) numeral when it touches a ledger line I often confuse with a 4 at first, which is rather disconcerting. Maybe I just need better glasses.
6:33 PM
@M.A.R. I looked, but found none.
@Robusto Only my own. :(
I don't know, I don't wear glasses. I have natural monovision, so bizarrely even in my sixties I can see both long distance and up very close.
At night maybe if I don't have the light on.
Wait till you experience your first PVD. The ophthalmologist will tell you that 80% experience one by age 65 and 100% by age 80.
6:58 PM
@M.A.R. I haven't heard that it has any effect on libido, but this is the internet so I'm saying things
@tchrist I suspect that if a digit is longer than two places they drop the sign. It happens on positive scores as well.
I checked the document and the sign is definitely missing, not inadvertently hidden, in the one you linked and the one above.
> Risk of thyroid C-cell tumors:
In rodents, semaglutide causes dose-dependent and treatment-duration-dependent thyroid C-cell tumors at clinically relevant exposures. It is unknown whether semaglutide causes thyroid C-cell tumors, including medullary thyroid carcinoma (MTC), in humans as human relevance of semaglutide-induced rodent thyroid C-cell tumors has not been determined.

Semaglutide is contraindicated in patients with a personal or family history of MTC or in patients with Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia syndrome type 2 (MEN 2). Counsel patients regarding the potential risk for MTC w
7:15 PM
Q: Popup vote totals lose their leading +/- sign if the absolute value requires 3 or more digits

tchristOn the vote-total popup, the leading + or - is suppressed once the total hits three digits: Demo: Demo: Demo: Demo: This happens in both the 🟢 upvotes on the top and on the 🔴 downvotes on the bottom. This has been observed before back in 2010, but that bug report was mysteriously mark...

There have five-digit totals already. I don't see the suppressing the first two digits there, so they have no excuse to suppress the sign.
> Now that we have four- and even five-digit scores, you’re obviously spilling into the third position and beyond already. It doesn’t only print the last three digits! So there seems no sound reason remaining to deliberately suppress the sign any longer, if there ever was.
@M.A.R. I think that's probably true for liraglutide as well.
8:12 PM
Personally I think it is right to use 'were' in the example I gave, as Hooke and the others you mention did. I think we ought to preserve the rules of grammar used by our predecessors. I don't see any good reason to change them. I'm not even sure we're allowed to change them. — George Tomlinson 2 mins ago
8:45 PM
I was going to respond to that with:
> If you prefer not to follow the grammatical rules of present-day English, you're free to consider anything correct, including Hooke's use of were.
But, as you all surely know, I am far too polite and agreeable a raccoon to even consider such a thing.
Yep, he went from fuzzy logic to Evangelism. Understandable, understandable
"Yes, it's perfectly understandable
Comprehensible, comprehensible
Not a bit reprehensible
It's so defensible!" We both reached for the gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_2B3vWhc6c
I wish I lived someplace with a fireplace. My comments would be much better, on average, if I could write down the unconstructive ones on pieces of paper and angrily throw them into a roaring fire.
@tchrist And for him it's "ungrammatical" to begin a sentence with "and" ...
Saw that. Bit cracked.
Woe to those who think that the word "grammar" means "the set of twenty arbitrary rules my English teacher lectured me on."
8:55 PM
@Robusto Scars left over from the wrath of Sister Nanny-nanny Boo-hoo during the formative years last a lifetime.
@tchrist I was in the middle of writing: "It's poor/ignorant instruction. Kids learn those few rules, and fear them, for they bring down the almighty wrath of teachers who hate their jobs and don't really understand what they're supposed to be teaching."
I have so many tyops lately.
Nun-induced PTSD must be the primary cause of grammatical intolerance disorder.
Such people can be defeated using Huddleston & Pullum. Specifically, you can throw a copy of the book at the windows of their house.
In that single respect rocks are more better.
It's likely that virtually any "rule" that somehow needs to be painfully drilled into a native English speaker to "correct" his grammar isn't actually a grammatical rule in English, just persecution of minority dialects.
Of course, if you try to obey such rules to sound more refined, it won't even work. Nobody ever actually thinks, "I won't hire him because he ended a sentence with a preposition."
9:02 PM
@alphabet I would refuse to hire someone who went to painful lengths to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition. We just wouldn't get along, and it might come to blows.
The 0.01% of the population that cares consists of the sort of people who you very much wouldn't want as friends or coworkers.
"Why did all of my ex-wives leave me? Because they simply refused to speak proper English, even though I offered them constant corrections."
Just look at how successfully Sister Boo-hoo erased people who loven inflecting verbs by sex: he gives but she giveth.
CLIENT: Just between you and I, the program is going to be a success.
ME: Oh? Just between you and me?
CLIENT: Oh, is that accepted now?
ME: (reaches for a brick)
9:10 PM
All they remember is how bad their wrists hurt. Pavlov's smoking wrist-burns last forever.
It just takes getting your mouth washed out with soap for talking about nekkid girlies a few times for them to become strikingly underdressed young ladies forevermore in the lads' mouths.
Sounds like you speak from experience.
No, but I had friends in the parochial school.
Which burnings.
Yeehaw! Now we're off to the races! For it is become a hot network question. Bring marshmellows.
Those are the ones with natural mellowing agents, not the mallows of yore. Not legally available in all states.
It ain't the rules they teach that's the real problem. It's what they don't teach: written vs. spoken, formal vs. informal, code switching, register, etc.
Eating marshmellows
With some of your fellows
Always allows
The taking of bows
I can't help but wonder how our asker feels about his sainted King James VI+I’s Counterblaste to Tobacco. :)
I wonder whether that's from a part of Anna Karenina that's in French. It seems to suggest so.
Those do take subjunctives in Spanish, but not so much in modern French, especially in the imparfait.
> Darya Alexandrovna duda que Anna sea realmente feliz.

Darya Alexandrovna dudaba que Anna fuera verdaderamente feliz.
Heaven only knows what the Russian had, if Tolstoy wrote that part in Russian. They have this rule of mandatory flipping back and forth between indicative and subjunctive every time you descend into another level of subordinate clause. Something like that.
9:44 PM
@tchrist Camptown races sing this song: Duda, Duda ...
@tchrist Makes me tired even to contemplate such a thing.
And dudette if the miss is still a maiden.
But I doubt that she could ever really be happy.
10:04 PM
> DOCTOR: Quick, this patient needs 2 units of O neg.
NURSE: But the patient's insurance only covers 3 cc of blood.
DOCTOR: Well, you can't say we didn't try.
10:27 PM
@Robusto I realize coming from me this doesn't mean much, but I hadn't noticed.
@alphabet except for New Yorker fact checkers interns
@tchrist the subjunctive of a subjunctive is indicative?
@M.A.R. my wording isn't exactly right... I've heard that it somehow reduces drive for repeat activities. Eg you may really want to go on that carnival ride another time, but wegovy dampens that 'i want another's feeling, not just for hunger.
I think the idea is that some drives are self-reinforcing for a few times, and GLP-1 reduces the number of times.
But that may have been said by someone wanting to allow further off-diagnosis uses.
Off-label...that's the word I was looking for
10:49 PM
@Mitch Ask the Russian.
@Mitch Okay, that would be weird in more ways that I can wag my thirteen fingers at.
I absolutely and very explicitly am not saying you're wrong. I haven't read anything about what you mentioned, and I lack the first-hand experience with that drug to provide uselessly anecdotal reports anyway. But it makes me wonder.
Because now it sounds more like it's targeting the brain's reward response system as well, not just the simpler things related to insulin. Which I hadn't imagined.
Reminds me of treating OCD with SSRIs: suggests hidden connections.
11:09 PM
@tchrist or it could be idle speculation by a marketing surrogate ..I can't remember the source.
@Mitch I find shill easier to spell than I do Sir Roger or whatever that worldken word you wrote there was.
11:27 PM
When did we start saying at/in (the) bottom so much, and what might be another way to say that?
I mean the au fond sense.
Adverb: au fond (not comparable)
  1. deep down, in the end
  2. au fond
  3. Used other than figuratively or idiomatically: see at the back,‎ in the depths.
  4. (figuratively) deep down, in the end
  5. (figuratively) deep down, at bottom, at heart
Fundamentally. At the core.
And doubtless any unreal number of screechy bizspeak clichés.

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