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@Cerberus "cerberus" is the three-headed hell-HOUND How can you be a cat-man ??!
@Criggie I'm sorry, it's just the truth.
Not all things are what they appear.
to be fair.... snuggles are good.
mine's been sleeping on the bed at night, but he's 12 and getting a bit wobbly
00:44
Cute.
01:30
"Uncleftish Beholding" (1989) is a short text by Poul Anderson, first published in the Mid-December 1989 issue of the magazine Analog Science Fiction and Fact (with no indication of its fictional or factual status) and included in his anthology All One Universe (1996). It is designed to illustrate what English might look like without its large number of words derived from languages such as French, Greek, and Latin, especially with regard to the proportion of scientific words with origins in those languages. Written as a demonstration of linguistic purism in English, the work explains atomic theory...
 
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02:57
@Cerberus All these humans putting on dogface. I hear some humans even pretend to be raccoons on the internet, an insulting parody of our species.
@alphabet Bite then and kill them, I say.
You can't always be merciful.
@Cerberus Have you heard what they do to raccoons that bite humans? If the police don't murder you, the health department will.
Yet another manifestation of systemic antiraccoonism.
Why can't all species just be happy dogs.
Shoot an insurance exec and there's a nationwide manhunt. Shoot a raccoon and you can turn it into a hat.
Well, there is a Dutch artist who turned her own cat into a remote-controlled racing-car and then a drone.
And also a purse, I think.
Perhaps different cats.
She is a big unhinged.
03:07
There are people who have their pets taxidermied.
@alphabet She does that herself, but in creative ways.
I assume her own cat was already dying, and she used other pets that were already dead for her other works.
@Cerberus Ick.
Could be you or I.
Imagine if the raccoons did that to humans. We are too civilized for something so brutish.
@Cerberus You know what happens when you assume? You get to stop asking questions about where she gets pets to turn into art.
Good, no?
It must be easy to get dead pets.
03:14
@Cerberus ...where? I mean, unless you're killing them, then it's easy.
You can ask their owners.
You can ask asyla.
Etc.
Asylum = animal shelter.
@Cerberus I was about to ask.
Glad you didn't?
03:16
@Cerberus How many people do you know with pets on their deathbeds?
I don't, but I am no famous artist, now have I put out word not advertisements.
Augment your income by starting a food truck selling cat-based food products.
Honestly wouldn't be the worst food truck I've seen.
Dog hot dogs.
Hot dogs are discriminatory.
An abomination.
We need to be inclusive of moderately-attractive dogs.
If Oscar Mayer labelled their hot dogs as "100% dog meat," at least we'd know what was in them.
Oh, I don't care about that.
I think it is discriminatory to feed the fat underclasses even more low-quality food.
03:27
I don't think it's only the underclasses who eat hot dogs.
But they are the ones who suffer from it.
....why?
Surely one's class does not determine how one is affected by hot dogs.
Umm it absolutely is.
And most especially in your own country.
I'm perplexed. Do you just mean that the lower classes might not be able to afford treatment for hot-dog-related illnesses? Surely that doesn't mean providing hot dogs is discriminatory.
I mean that they are compelled to eat more hot dogs.
03:38
Why does that make it discriminatory to sell them? Surely it isn't the fault of the manufacturers that their products are cheap.
By that standard, it's also discriminatory to sell asparagus, because poorer people will be less able to purchase it and thus less able to benefit.
Surely it is discriminatory to make some horrible product that you know is super unhealthy and will be mainly eaten by the lower classes?
Isn't it equally discriminatory to make some excellent product you know is super healthy and will be mainly eaten by the upper classes?
Hot dogs aren't "mainly eaten by the lower classes." But if you make cheap unhealthy food more expensive, lower class people will be the hardest hit, since the price of the cheapest food available will increase.
And that is actually what should happen, of course.
Which is why many countries are considering a fat tax.
Many already have a sugar tax.
Sounds like a tax that disproportionately affects poor people and would mostly just raise their grocery bills.
The reason poorer people buy more processed food isn't the cost; it's that they don't have the time needed to prepare food that isn't processed.
It is good if a tax on unhealthy food hits poor people disproportionately.
@alphabet Banning it or making it more expensive helps either way.
03:54
I mean, I haven't done a poll, but I don't think most poorer people would consider this particularly helpful.
Who cares?
Is it true that Syrian civil war has ended?
Surely, when one is trying to benefit some group, it matters a great deal whether that group wants the help in question.
Accordingly, the rebels have won?
It should be clear that imposing a policy that most poor people do not want constitutes a failure to consider them.
03:59
@alphabet Why would it?
@DannyuNDos So it would seem. Though we have no idea how stable the new régime will be.
@alphabet No?
Certainly, the Syrian flag will change.
@Cerberus I suspect it will be even worse than the old one. The next Somalia. But you never know.
I mean, when the Libyans took out Gaddafi, I don't think things ended particularly well.
@DannyuNDos Was the flag already there before the Assad dynasty?
How are things in Korea btw?
@alphabet Why do you think so?
Libya is a lot better off than Somalia?
But, yeah, not great.
@Cerberus Yes...?
@DannyuNDos Then perhaps there is no desire to change it?
04:06
I mean, the rebels have a different flag.
And I guess they're gonna propose it as the new official flag.
@Cerberus If the new regime does consolidate power, it will likely be some sort of extremist theocracy with, again, historical links to al-Qaeda.
@DannyuNDos Hmm I don't know about that.
@Cerberus The ruling party members of the parliament, except three, refused to vote. Neither support nor oppose.
@alphabet I don't know about that. There are some hopeful signs.
@DannyuNDos So I read.
And the prime minister has taken over the duties of the president?
Even though there is no legal basis for that?
@Cerberus I suspect this ends with either another Libya or another Iraq.
Or maybe a Diet ISIS.
04:09
@Cerberus I don't think the prime minister is doing anything at now.
Though, yeah, upon the would-be impeachment of Yoon, the prime minister will take over the duties, until the would-be next election. Legally.
@alphabet I'm not sure there is enough support for extremism in Syria now.
And Turkey wants stability in Syria.
@DannyuNDos OK what I read was about what was happening now.
@Cerberus The rebels don't need popular support, just guns.
The worst scenario for Yoon is to be declared guilty for his coup. Then he's gonna get at least a life sentence. Or at most, death penalty.
@alphabet The rebels don't seem as extreme as IS or the Taliban.
@DannyuNDos Can he be convicted while still in office?
04:17
Right.
I hope continuous protests have an effect.
Do you live in the capital?
No, I live in Sejong city.
Are there protests outside Seoul?
Yes, accordingly in Gwangju and in Daegu.
OK.
But not in Sejong?
Also: despite what Washington surely hopes, I doubt the rebels will be particularly pro-Israel.
04:19
Sejong is too chill for that. Daejeon also.
@alphabet Nobody would think that.
@DannyuNDos Too relaxed, or too cold?
Too relaxed. People here always are.
@Cerberus I think some in DC are that level of delusional.
It seems irrelevant.
 
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06:54
If I were a random Syrian, I would want to get away from the Iran/Russia axis and hook up with some other Arabs in the region.
That will probably happen, at least with respect to Iran.
07:28
Sejong or Sejong City (Korean: 세종; Korean: [seːdʑoŋ] ), officially Sejong Special Self-Governing City (세종특별자치시), is a special self-governing city and the de facto administrative capital of South Korea. Sejong was founded in 2007 as the new planned capital of South Korea from many parts of the South Chungcheong Province and some parts of North Chungcheong Province to ease congestion in South Korea's current capital and largest city, Seoul, and encourage investment in the country's central region. Since 2012, the government of South Korea has relocated numerous ministries and agencies to Sejong,...
07:38
@CowperKettle I had no idea!
08:16
@Vikas LOL
@Cerberus Me neither
During my lifetime, the Earth's population doubled from 4 to 8 billion people.
Oh, are we at 8 already?
That went fast.
I wonder if "urinary free cortisol" can be twice the normal range due to depression or other non-somatic cause
@Cerberus Yes, approximately
> In adult patients suffering from depression, the HPA axis seems to be hyperactive, as evidenced by excessive secretion of cortisol (see meta-analyses: Belvederi Murri et al., 2014, Stetler and Miller, 2011). sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091302223000663
@Cerberus Now we go slow.
In Shakespeare's time, London was a huge mega-city with 200 000 citizens
08:33
@Vikas Are you sure?
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@Cerberus I hear a lot about population collapse.
@Vikas Not yet.
Africa is still booming.
08:48
@Cerberus I think DC considers it a win when a pro-Russia power is ousted. And if they're not on Moscow's payroll, they eventually will be on DC's. That's what people in DC think. And I don't think anyone cares if Syria turns into another Afghanistan, after all, it's the Middle East, right?
People here are usually of much lower priority
@M.A.R. People do care.
@Cerberus haven't we already been for a while?
But it is difficult to fix things in e.g. Syria.
@M.A.R. So it seems.
@Cerberus not anyone in power, I don't think. They have to squint hard and nations start looking like chess pieces.
What makes you think people in Washington do not care what happens to Syria?
Humans generally don't like to see non-enemies suffer.
08:53
@Cerberus they care about Syria, not so much about Syrians, is my point.
Why do you think that?
I'm sure if they could bring stability to Syrians without great sacrifice, they would do it.
Because it's the Middle East? That if Khomeini got to power, it's every Iranian's fault and it's okay if we're punished for it. A little.
I don't get it.
We watch the news, we see people suffer in the Near East (or anywhere else), and we feel for them.
I'm sure civil servants or ministers in Washington feel this too.
@Cerberus You do the feeling thing, not sure people in Washington do
Why do you not think so?
08:57
I hear about Uighurs, and I think to myself how horrible it would be to be beaten up to forget your own language. I don't think anyone important in Tehran does, for example.
If they hear about them, I'm sure they will sympathise with them?
@Cerberus well, I suppose I just think you're overestimating people's empathy. Or maybe just politicians'.
But what makes you think that?
@Cerberus my POV is that the relationship between politicians and people is generally like a daycare teacher and a trouble child's.
At best.
If Syria were the reachest and most developed country in the world, they would also not care much about Alabama
09:04
The relationship between politicians and another country's people is, well, like a daycare teacher and another center's trouble child. Not. My. Problem.
I do think people try to shield themselves a bit from the suffering of others.
One does not like to feel bad, seeing the suffering.
So one may avoid looking.
I have a stuporous condition despite 300 mg of venlafaxine/day. I wonder what the cause might be. I'm repeating my free urine cortisol test, to make sure, and then will show the results to an endocrinologist.
In addition, the suffering of some others may have a lower priority in one's decisions.
But not caring at all, when they see it: I think that is not normal.
Yes. Ordinary people are too busy earning a living and caring for their family.
Exactly. They're in their offices, signing papers all day. They're not busy browsing videos of Syrian kids suffering.
09:06
Indeed.
But I don't feel that this is the same as not caring at all?
So I suppose empathy can come into play if they do that, but I don't remember the last time a politician made an empathetic announcement
People's brains have not been developed by the evolution to care beyond their "tribal level" of about 80 relatives and known persons
They can't feel the suffering of everyone in the world the whole time.
And every decision may cause some suffering.
@Cerberus well if that one little brat keeps stinking up the place, the whole empathy business will go out the window. Middle East is that especially annoying brat.
How do you mean?
09:08
It's why starving children in Yemen isn't grounds for not selling weapons to SA
@M.A.R. Yeah that's very weird priorities.
Because it's always something in the Middle East.
I can't understand it.
It's Yemen today, Afghanistan tomorrow, Syria the day after.
@Cerberus not enough videos of them out there I guess.
Videos may help a bit.
How does Persian television talk about the end of Assad?
09:14
@Cerberus I dunno, I don't turn the TV on these days
But when I'm driving, on the radio, they're going nuts
Freaking nuts. Turned the self-pitying conspiracy theorist knob to the max.
Zionists are taking over the world, they had planned it all along, that sort of thing.
Oh, really.
Poor Ayatollahs.
So they were as surprised as we were.
Who expected this?
Only Turkey?
Everyone is getting their news from Instagram instead anyway.
Hmm and what does it say?
@Cerberus oh yeah sometimes they're mad at "the delusional Erdogan", sometimes at SA (only unofficially because officially we're still friends), rarely at Moscow
A lot of fingers pointing at a lot of directions
Officially friends with Saudi Arabia?
@M.A.R. OK I see.
09:18
Literally like that troll face
This one
I'm . . . not unhappy at their squirming. Not too many videos out there so I'm not empathetic towards their suffering
@Cerberus they kissed and made up a while back, mediated by China.
Actually, I'd like to see whether South Korea would lower the level of travel alert to Syria. Currently level 4, travel prohibition.
@M.A.R. But surely it is more like tolerance than sympathy?
Trying to keep that window open. But I mean, you spend decades demonizing Arabs, what do you expect.
Did it work?
@Cerberus well Iranian foreign folicy is mostly summarized in barking and sometimes biting, so either you become friends with a country 7000 miles away like Venezuela or when it's your neighbor you have to profusely apologize every time you're barking lest they think you're barking at them again
09:25
Hmm.
I wonder how Putin feels now.
My Libyan friend suggested that Trump had struck a deal with Putin: if you don't help Assad, I won't help Ukraine.
Probably pissed that not all problems can be solved with nerve agents
On the one hand, he is kind of prone to conspiracy theories.
No one knows what Putin is thinking. Possibly including himself.
On the other, he does seem well informed about the Near East.
@Cerberus actually plausible, but purely speculative. Once again it assumes that behind the scenes everyone is just buddies and they can casually make deals and stuff
09:30
Yeah, it seems unlikely to me.
Putin is busy. He has not only Ukraine but Georgia, maybe Romania, and Iran, which has been supporting Hamas and Hezbollah.
"Has"?
@Cerberus on his plate I guess she means
“has” in the sense of having to deal with, not ownership.
He does look like he can eat for three
09:34
A lot on his plate.
Well, Ukraine requires his army.
But the other stuff can be done simultaneously.
My dad predicts Ukraine will be divided.
This is the ideal time for an Iranian revolution.
"People there supported Russia anyway," he said. Though... is that true?
@Xanne five more minutes zzz
09:35
In some parts of Ukraine now occupied by Russia, there was considerable support for Russia.
Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk, right?
Yes.
I doubt whether Russia ever had much support in the other occupied regions, Zaporizhzhia and Cherson.
He also said "even if Russia would win the war, the damage would not be able to be overcome."
@DannyuNDos The Eastern part of Ukraine has for years had a higher percentage of people who opposed joining the EU, spoke only Russian, opposed NATO, etc. There is more territory bordering Russia rather than Poland & Romania.
In the East, that is.
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09:45
@Xanne Not the eastern half, though.
Eastern Ukraine borders Russia.
As a result of the Syrian revolution, two flags have been used to represent Syria since 2011, used by different factions in the war. The Syrian Arab Republic led by Bashar al-Assad of the Ba'ath Party used the red-white-black tricolour originally used by the United Arab Republic, while Syrian opposition factions such as the Syrian National Coalition use the green-white-black tricolour known as the “Independence flag”, first used by the First Syrian Republic. Opposition forces took control of the capital Damascus on 8 December 2024, prompting President Assad to resign and leave the country. ...
It seems the Syrian flag has changed de facto.
I think Westwen Ukraine also borders Moldava. Western, that is. I think I should not br capitalizing here.
Yes.
10:01
Moldova, you mean.
Yes.
Maldeva. Like a deva that's joined the dark side
U. S. gov says: “Do not travel to Syria due to the risk of terrorism, civil unrest, kidnapping or hostage taking, and armed conflict. Exercise increased caution due to the risk of wrongful detention.” But that’s not new.
Nope.
Help. I cannot memorize all the British oversea territories.
TIL that UK is the southernmost country. 'Cause of the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
10:26
Hah.
 
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11:44
If you don't capitalise words like "the" and "and" and "a" in a book title, what should you do with a word like "during"?
@Řídící I would say there are different conventions to choose between.
It may depend on which style book you consult.
Is during a praeposition, or a participle?
@Řídící depends on the style guide you're following. IIRC APA would lowercase "during"
According to some conventions, praepositions are not capitalised, so then you could choose not to capitalise during.
But it is a long word and less recognisable as a praeposition, so I wouldn't be surprised to also see it capitalised.
Sounds like a good question for the site, maybe.
Isn't it really just dependent on the style guide?
Most probably.
11:51
The closure brigade would close it as POB
They would close anything.
But we would reopen it.
12:16
@alphabet it's not black and white and is surely an experimental question, but I kinda think, like @Cerberus that hotdog consumption is correlated with socioeconomic status, ie poorer people eat more hotdogs.
Which is why they are fatter.
Same for smoking.
I think alcohol is less clear, though—at least here.
 
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13:44
@CowperKettle I think "is" is a big word to use.
14:07
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@alphabet How about that! Looks like the history of English pronouns will prove to be enlightening to read.
@alphabet I'm glad that I was wrong about your meaning. Anyway, that provided an opportunity for reflection on marriage.
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15:10
@Mitch I agree more with @alphabet on this one, that at least among middle class (though not upper middle class), hot dogs are still quite common, looking at the many Costco cafeteria offer takers of 1 hot dog + soda for $1.50, church picnics, and company-sponsored eat-togethers.
But yes, I see hot dogs getting less popular among middle class due to increasing health consciousness. At least the version Costco uses seems to have better quality. In Canada they serve Poutine. Seems unhealthy to me as well.
@GratefulDisciple Is there anything more cataclysmically obnoxious than a hotdog eating contest?
@alphabet An interesting intersection of this is the Public Universal Friend, who being a (former) Quaker of old (some of the biggest opponents to plural "you") and "neither man nor woman" seems to have gone the "prefers no pronouns" route.
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15:55
@GratefulDisciple CostCo cafeteria eaters are not usually associated with middle class (Costco as a whole for that matter). Yes, -everybody- goes to costco but as it is primarily a cost conscious store, it attracts cost-conscious people, namely those leaning towards the lower side.
@Laurel Wait... are you saying that some people don't use pronouns -at all-?
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