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The US went from 18% to 27%, but South Korea went from 13% to 30%, and Lithuania from 16% to 38%. Maybe immigration patterns, but that could hardly explain such large shifts.
Why would you think the population of South Korea increased by 17% in a few years?
Can you imagine what a crisis they would have there if such an invasion happened?
We all saw what numbers and graphs showed us during the pandemic, no?
@Cerberus Nothing I said implied that.
Some numbers are more useful than others, easier to interpret.
I said exactly the opposite.
00:03
I was trying to squash the "maybe".
> ... but that could hardly explain such large shifts.
Hardly in the sense of "definitely not."
Yeah, so no "maybe"!
most likely, not
I think you're misreading what I wrote, but sure.
'hardly" in the sense of not being likely
00:08
I find that change (happens to all the countries) very...
Like something weird is going on and most likely not in the actual world.
@Cerberus Some details of the US numbers here and map by county (for the 2023 result) here (select Outcome = "%<= Level 1"). Don't know whether "download data" shows both 2023 and 2012 data.
Its way too big of a change.
Most things just don't change that fast
@alphabet I just wanted to be extra clear.
Actually you know what really changed fast in the real world?
Aha, one note from the survey itself:
00:09
@Mitch Exactly.
> Comparisons of 2023 results with 2012/14 and 2017 PIAAC assessments need to be made with caution due to differences in the assessments and scoring methodology
Viral infections from before a vaccine to after.
They...changed the test they were using.
All countries saw a decline, which probably just proves that the new test was harder.
Hasn't literacy been improving steadily?
That shows you how brittle any figures regarding literacy really are. And probably most topics in studies from social sciences.
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But that's just ability vs not ability.
@Mitch Most probably.
So pretty much 99% literacy world wide, but ...
But if those who can read there's backsliding?
Nobody's forgetting how to read.
@Mitch Definitely the endocrine disruptors.
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pfff
Yeah, that would seem unlikely.
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@Mitch use it or lose it
@alphabet whoa (spelled correctly), what kind of witchcraft is that?
The black plastic spatulas?
youtube.com/watch?v=7mhq5yzkWFU#t=1m30s We don't expect you to just give it to us for free. _____ if he wants to. (What exactly is the other girl saying there?)
@think_meaning_buildß I know somebody who hadn't ridden a bike for years and they just hopped on recently and...
Kinda had trouble.
You actually can forget how to ride a bike.
yup
and hurt yourself trying to relearn
Yes. That's a disincentive to reupping that skill
To add prefixes prolixically
@alphabet not that it's any kind of counter point but 'they' found and fixed the ozone problem.
00:19
@MichaelRybkin That'd be the word less'n (meaning "unless"). The speaker is being portrayed as using stereotypically uneducated language or some sort of odd dialect (note that what follows is "you wants to").
Also in some sense the found and fixed the population problem.
But some have said that "overpopulation' is a racist concept
@alphabet some weirdos (no names) tend to put an 'n' at the end of comparatives like that.
'lessn'
'bettern'
Ok it's me.
I didn't want to name names but
But I was standing right there.
@alphabet Thank you very much. That's what I thought she might be saying. It does sound like "unless".
@Mitch They're using it to mean "unless," not "less than."
Conjunction: less'n
  1. (Southern US, African-American Vernacular) Unless.
Questioned and answered
Bettern is totally a comparison though
Better than
I don't have an accent.
Or rather my accent is GenAmE.
But I say things ... different sometimes
Yee haw!
I just don't understand why some people say that speakers of General American "don't have an accent," whereas other people "have an accent."
Makes zero sense. There's one accent that isn't an accent?
00:26
Of course you understand. They don't have much multilingual experience and think they're the center of the world.
Not in a bad way.
Not everybody is thinking about language all the time.
The omphalos.
I think it's wherever the Kardashians live.
You have to set aside time for friends
Sorry
I mean 'Friends'
That's a lot of episodes
@alphabet They live in a place?
@jlliagre Can you translate the following passage for me, please?
It's queued up for the proper time.
@Mitch The land of nectar and ambrosia, or at least Kettle Chips: poosh.com/inside-kim-kardashians-reorganized-pantry
There's something terrifying about those photos. It feels like a kitchen made by aliens trying to simulate an Earth-like environment.
@alphabet Poosh? Is that like Goop but not Gwyneth Paltrow's initials?
@alphabet it's be a lotta work trying to dust those
Nobody's gonna actually -use- any of that stuff. It's just decoration.
00:39
Please do not touch the decorative Goldfish crackers.
Or, and hear me out, a setup for a sledgehammer contest
> At four o'clock, we had a good rest, he went into the bathroom, so he was all naked, he said pass me my cornet(?), he played a few notes and said here's the basic line I want Pierre Michto? to play.
@jlliagre Tnanks. He probably said "trumpet" instead of cornet, because that's what he played.
@jlliagre makes sense... if you've had a stroke.
@alphabet What do you think those people mean? If you have found an interpretation that doesn't make sense to you, why not try other interpretations?
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@Robusto That's what I expected too but the word doesn't sound like trompette.
@jlliagre Well, it could nave been cornet. Or what do you call a flugelhorn in French?
@alphabet Correct.
@Robusto Yes, I heard it again and it's definitely cornet.
@jlliagre Merci beaucoups.
@Cerberus Just reptilians in latex skinsuits.
00:43
You are welcome.
Le cornet à pistons est un instrument de musique à vent de la famille des cuivres. == Origines == Littéralement, un cornet est un « petit cor ». Plus anciens, le cornet à bouquin et le cornet muet étaient des instruments virtuoses très répandus à la Renaissance et à l'époque baroque. Ce sont des instruments en bois dotés d'une embouchure et munis de trous comme une flûte à bec. Le cornet à pistons enroulé comme une trompette et fut, de ses origines jusqu'à l'apparition des pistons, même un peu après, enroulé comme un cor. Au début, ce petit cor connut un emploi de corne d'appel plus que ...
@jlliagre Yes, he also played that one.
It has a warmer tone than a trumpet.
01:58
Word of the morn: to knock smb into the middle of next week
@Robusto This Pierre Michto was actually Pierre Michelot.
Pierre Michelot (3 March 1928 – 3 July 2005) was a French jazz double bass player and arranger. == Early life == Michelot was born in Saint-Denis, Seine-Saint-Denis, Paris on 3 March 1928. He studied piano from 1936 until 1938. He switched to playing bass at the age of sixteen. == Later life and career == He played and recorded with visiting American musicians in Paris. He "played with Rex Stewart (1948), performed at Frisco's in Paris with Kenny Clarke (summer 1949), and joined Clarke in a band accompanying Coleman Hawkins (winter 1949–50), with whom he recorded; in 1949 he also recorded with...
> Thinking about this chicken wing joint where I used to live called “Lord of the Wings." They had a sign in the window that said "Fry, you fools!"
02:15
Saving this here lest its migration get bounced to help make it easy to find for restoration:
@AndrewLeach Yes, certainly you can construct a sentence with a participle as the head of the clausal subject, but under most analyses it’s still an adjective, not a noun. Syntactic evidence for this includes that it’s modifiable by adverbs like recently not by adjectives like recent, plus isn’t morphologically plural nor can be made so—unlike givens or fixings. The simplest explanation is probably the one where it’s all that’s left over from an elided plural noun like people or things. Terminology ranges from OED’s “absolute adjectives” to CGEL’s “fused modifier-head NPs”. — tchrist 4 mins ago
Oh hah, I forgot, I can just put it on the original.
Done. I always forget about superpowers.
Now if it's bounced it will already be there.
@CowperKettle Including that there the sea is pronounced ocean.
@jlliagre Ah.
 
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But I can only understand it as if in a haze, as a vague outline, because I lack the technical knowledge of all this stuff completely
 
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@CowperKettle Nice
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The impeach request of Yoon is approved.
 
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@CowperKettle hopefully Usyk will knock Fury into the middle of next week on Dec 21.
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Hmmm 🤔 strange there's no Wikipedia page up yet about the rematch.
 
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@DannyuNDos Then the party in power will lose its position, and the other party will prevail—in elections?
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Verb: make fetch happen (third-person singular simple present makes fetch happen, present participle making fetch happen, simple past and past participle made fetch happen)
  1. (slang, humorous) To try to make something catch on.
New to me.
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18:26
It's a meme -about- memes. Perspective: before the movie came out (2004), no one had heard of this word 'fetch'. You know how sometimes groups of friends have inside jokes or there's a new word of the year? Well, the dark-haired girl wants to be the source of a new such word that's trendy and cool (like presumably 'brat' was this last summer). So she's trying to make this new word 'fetch' (it sounds like 'fetching', which is totally a word, means something like 'looks good').
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username, blacklisted user (75): Do I put a comma after the noun here?‭ by Asim Ahmed‭ on english.SE
Oops, an aside, 'fetch' is a verb for 'to get' like 'Go fetch me a broom, I just dropped a ten pound bag of flour.' or 'Hey little puppy, I have a stick, let's play "fetch"'. Those are very traditionally uses of the word 'fetch'. But to backform from 'fetching' (for 'looks good') was totally new in 2004.
Anyway, to explain the exchange in the classic scene, the dark-haired girl (cripes, she's famous essentially for her role in Mean Girls, I still can't remember her name) she keeps using the word 'fetch' in the movie, and in the youtube clip I gave, Rachel Adams, the blonde girl, who is also the 'queen bee' (assumed group leader), admonishes Gretchen (aha! that's the brown-haired girl) for using this weird word and tells her to 'stop trying to make fetch' a new trendy word.
And, I 'm pretty sure my assessment of culture is right, in the real world 'fetch' never did happen.
Trying to make "stop trying to make fetch happen" happen did in fact make it happen.
But "fetch", as far as I know, did not.
maybe after 20 years, -some- people might use fetch unironically because they didn't hear it in context (of the movie).
18:44
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username, blacklisted user (75): How are the expressions "rather than" and "instead of" classified?‭ by Asim Ahmed‭ on english.SE
I mean there's been both a musical (2017) -and- a remake (2024) of the movie. Can't kids just watch the original?
A side note... note how I called the blonde girl, Rachel Adams a 'queen bee'... the story of the movie ws inspired directly by Tina Fey's reading of the 2002 popular sociology book "Queen Bees and Wannabes".
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username, blacklisted user (75): Adverbs modifying nouns?‭ by Asim Ahmed‭ on english.SE
Queen Bees and Wannabes is a 2002 self-help book by Rosalind Wiseman. Written for parents of teenage girls, the book focuses on the ways in which girls in high schools form cliques, and on handling patterns of aggressive behavior. The book was, in large part, the basis for the teen comedy film Mean Girls (2004) starring Lindsay Lohan, its stage musical adaptation, and the 2024 film version of the latter. The book's third edition was published in 2016. == See also == Female intrasexual competition Queen bee (sociology) == Notes == == References == == Further reading == Chesney-Lind, ...
@SmokeDetector why
Oh, right. SD doesn't receive commands in site rooms.
@Mitch it's kinda ironic when Hollywood which has significantly contributed to the mean-girls mentality makes a movie criticizing it.
That said I enjoyed the first movie but I'm sure one movie is quite enough to make a point
It's also ironic that they redo it every decade with a new set of hot girls like a beauty pagent.
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@Xanne Likely.
19:58
@M.A.R. Because these are all the same network terrorist. I presume you've by now sussed out the real deal by asking in the right way in the right place. If not, let me know.
20:20
@M.A.R. There are prior similar movies. 'Clueless' (1995?) had a trio of 'hot girls' definitely high in the pecking order but as it was an Jane Austen retelling, they weren't mean. And then the notorious 'Heathers', (1987?) definitely the main trio of Heathers were mean.
Surely there were similar beforehand.
Definitely requires a master's level thesis in American Studies to figure this one out.
Or a Reddit thread.
the latter is quicker and cheaper.
Neither will lead to gainly employment.
Wait... that was cynical.
There is a current trend (worldwide but I see it more in the news here) to denigrate humanities in relation to STEM (for @Cerberus STEM stands for Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics). Colleges and Universities attritting different humanities programs because they don't bring in gobs of cash from the government.
During the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, I remember there was a surge in hiring by the DoD (for @Cerberus that's the Department of Defense) for anthropologists to be embedded (?) in combat troops or at least advising them, they had some Orwellian name like Cultural Attachés (that's not it)...
Human Terrain System
The Human Terrain System (HTS) was a United States Army, Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) support program employing personnel from the social science disciplines – such as archaeology, anthropology, sociology, political science, historians, regional studies, and linguistics – to provide military commanders and staff with an understanding of the local population (i.e. the "human terrain") in the regions in which they were deployed. The concept of HTS was first developed in a paper by Montgomery McFate and Andrea Jackson in 2005, which proposed a pilot version of the project as a response to...
Because, you know, the army used them to walk all over people.
Wait... that was cynical.
People need jobs. Defense jobs are patriotic.
@M.A.R. Where are all the hot-girl bands nowadays? There used to be Heart in the 70s, the Gogo's and Bangles in the 80s. Have there been any all-girl or at least girl-led since? I need another master's thesis in American (or world) Cultural studies.
I'd link you that video that just came out of the Iranian woman singing, Karavanserai? but she's not wearing a chador, and worse she's doing it on purpose.
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Q: How is the contraction for "one of" spelled?

greeneWhat is the contraction spelled out for one of? One-a the girls said no. Onea the girls said no. One-ah? I'm writing a dialogue.

I went to wunna those job interviews, but they told that I wunna good enough for them.
For those curious, here's the shocking video of a woman singing in Persian without a chador:
Men, avert your eyes.
@SophieSwett Wuja meyuhn?
Ewe wunna be gooder yagada praktix.
@SophieSwett I think this is all madness because I've never seen a spelling of 'one of' contracted -ever-. Sure, there's "o'" as in "o'clock" and shoulda, coulda, woulda, but I've never seen 'one of' spelled like it sounds.
@Mitch Yuh shuldna gunnin seddit.
which is to say I pronounce it /'wə nə/, I just don't think I've ever seen a quick spelling of it.
I mean it kinda needs a contracted spelling.
Just..
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I give you a gooder if yewunnit.
Just I've never seen one of them.
@tchrist What cheese is made backwards?
OMG it's ... snort... snort... I'm... OMG... I can't stop crying... snort ...
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It's
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It's because ...
OMG
@Mitch CHEESE IS DOOD!
Please can someone... snort .. tell me some awful news I can't stop laughing to finish the joke.
Don't tell me anything bad about cheese because that'll just ruin everything.
Nancy Pelosi just had emergency hip replacement surgery in Europe.
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@Mitch Does Fifth Harmony count? But I think there's always more money in boy bands.
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Here's a question: why aren't teen boys obsessed with girl bands in the way that teen girls are with boy bands?
 
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youtube.com/watch?v=lgVBgZbrjCo Buff 'n' Stuff - (how do you understand the title?)
@tchrist yeah poked around in metasmoke and found out

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