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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
00:25
@jlliagre Cool. I did not expect "mettre" to mean "put on"
It reminded me of "meter" (unit of distance) only.
merde alors
Interjection: merde alors !
  1. (somewhat vulgar) damn! bugger! dammit!
Literally "shit then"
Victor Hugo spends a whole page or two on discussing the interjection "merde" in his Les Miserables
Robusto
Robusto
@CowperKettle More idiomatic in English to say, "Well, shit!"
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Mala tos le siento al gato.
jlliagre
jlliagre
Aug 6, 2012 at 15:48, by ΜετάEd
Merdre.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
00:41
Scare of the day: "If mirror bacteria ever started growing outside a lab, they could be very hard to stop. Our immune systems wouldn't detect them well. Natural predators would struggle to attack them. The risk to human and ecological health seems unprecedented."
science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ads9158
> Last Christmas Ich gave thee myne hearte
But the verye next daye ther came a wolf,
Wyth sinews of whispers - quiet as frost -
And the wolf stole my hearte, fled
To a tower out of tyme biyonde all the stars.
Seek now myne hearte,
Return it within a yeare and a daye:
Thys ys thy queste!
jlliagre
jlliagre
Connections
Puzzle #550
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tchrist
tchrist
01:16
@think_meaning_buildß Next year will be a special year, only the third such in America's existence. Its previous such year was 88 years ago, and its first one was 175 years ago. What makes next year special in this way, and when will be the next such?
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@CowperKettle I'm sorry.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
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Probably "A person with a weird hairdo assumes an elected position"?
But their cravats looked cool
tchrist
tchrist
@CowperKettle Wigs were badass back then.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
01:41
I googled "impact of lithium on cortisol levels" and found studies with contradictory findings. Some say it decreases, other say it increases cortisol.
It acts in a kind of bipolar fashion, it seems.
tchrist
tchrist
@CowperKettle ironic
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
02:39
@CowperKettle Li is pretty toxic. Leave it as a last resort.
And it has a very narrow TI, meaning it's easy to miss the therapeutic dose or cross the threshold into toxic doses. And it has a lot of interactions, not just with other drugs but also with your dietary salt intake.
@CowperKettle that's contradictory. It's basically saying that mirror life will find the numerous matches to targets in the human body normal life finds to establish an infection, yet immune systems and other organisms wouldn't find such targets within mirror life.
Cursed misspelling of the day: ataccked
alphabet
alphabet
03:02
@tchrist Impending war that, while not obvious at the time, will go on to kill hundreds of thousands of American troops?
@M.A.R. I've heard there's a trend of people "microdosing" lithium.
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
12:31
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> «Je m'appelle Marius Pontmercy. Porter mon cadavre chez mon grand-père M. Gillenormand, rue des Filles-du-Calvaire, no 6, au Marais.»
Rue des Filles-du-Calvaire
La rue des Filles du Calvaire est une voie parisienne, située à l'extrémité nord-est du 3e arrondissement == Situation et accès == Elle est proche de la place de la République. Ce site est desservi par la station de métro Filles du Calvaire. == Origine du nom == Elle porte le nom du couvent des Filles-du-Calvaire qui y était situé en référence aux filles Sachot des Epesses. == Historique == Elle est ouverte le 7 août 1698 et reçoit son nom actuel à cette occasion. == Bâtiments remarquables et lieux de mémoire == No 6 : Dans Les Misérables, de Victor Hugo, lieu où habitent M.Gillenor...
"Daughters of Golgotha" (Calvary)
tchrist
tchrist
13:10
@CowperKettle While George Washington put an end to the Tories in America, it was the contentiousness of human slavery which finally brought down the Whigs a few generations later. This dissolution left a gap for the then-new Republican Party to form with its explicit anti-slavery platform—ironic, given how pro-slavery most Republicans are now.
tchrist
tchrist
13:31
> Unfortunately, if you’re reading this essay, you’re likely very, very out of touch.
Yes, out of touch with those who do not read. :)
Robusto
Robusto
14:12
#travle #730 +0 (Perfect)
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Robusto
Robusto
14:27
Wordle 1,273 6/6

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Robusto
Robusto
14:47
Connections
Puzzle #551
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Fish skin grafts for.. wound dressing O_O
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37082504
Robusto
Robusto
Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

Dec. 13, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
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Dec. 13, 2024

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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
@M.A.R. Yes, sadly. One must measure its blood levels to make sure it stays within its narrow range
jlliagre
jlliagre
15:12
#travle #730 +0 (Perfect)
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Robusto
Robusto
#WhenTaken #290 (13.12.2024)

I scored 908/1000👑

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2️⃣📍1.0K km - 🗓️2 yrs - 🥈167/200
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4️⃣📍541 m - 🗓️12 yrs - 🥇179/200
5️⃣📍2.5 km - 🗓️2 yrs - 🥇198/200

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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
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jlliagre
jlliagre
15:30
#WhenTaken #290 (13.12.2024)

I scored 910/1000👑

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@Robusto Close!
Robusto
Robusto
@jlliagre Yes, another statistical tie. I didn't finish yesterday's because I got busy with something else, but mainly I just stalled on the first one.
Hmm, I wonder how Tightrope got pasted twice.
It's not that I'm particularly proud of that one.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
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Xanne
Xanne
@tchrist So may we be permitted to know how next year will be like 88 and 175 years ago in the United States?
Cerberus
Cerberus
@CowperKettle This hardly seems possible, so many people 'losing literacy'?
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@CowperKettle hospitals stink to high heaven anyway. A fish smell would be a welcome change
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
15:43
@Cerberus Yes
jlliagre
jlliagre
@Robusto Yes, there was no real clues in that first picture except it's clearly not Alaska ;-)
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus is literacy defined as being able to read and write, or read and write in English?
If the latter, it's saying that 1/5th of Americans don't care about learning English
jlliagre
jlliagre
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Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Probably the latter?
But it is mainly the same people being interviewed again, so they should have lost their litracy?
jlliagre
jlliagre
15:58
Connections
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MetaEd
MetaEd
Wordle 1,273 4/6

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“One for the Swifties”
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M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus I'm just saying in the country of immigrants the lingua franca has been losing its significance in the last decade or so.
It's certainly not as surprising as that many Americans being illiterate in every language.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Can you explain that?
MetaEd
MetaEd
Connections
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Cerberus
Cerberus
16:14
Just in time?
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus there's been less pressure on the Hispanics to learn English
It could be a cultural or political shift, I dunno. Probably both.
tchrist
tchrist
@Xanne Know you surely shall be able to no later than New Year's Day next when both years agos perforce autoincrement.
’Twould have made a fine hat to solve.
Now you've something to collectively ponder. Or correctively depending on your biases.
Cerberus
Cerberus
16:29
yesterday, by CowperKettle
> The survey was previously administered in 2017, when 19% of U.S. adults ranked at the lowest levels of literacy. In 2023, that figure increased to 28%, a change that NCES Commissioner Peggy Carr called “substantial” https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/survey-growing-number-us-adults-lack-literacy-skills-rcna183498
@M.A.R. So you are suggesting immigration is responsible for new people entering the country and taking down the rate of literacy?
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Philosophy of the day: thick description en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thick_description
MetaEd
MetaEd
@CowperKettle I am making fun of your post because it makes me seem better by comparison.
Apropos of this, I got a lovely spam this morning, offering SEO services: find screwups in my competitor's SEO; create harmful, toxic links likely to break their SEO.
Cerberus
Cerberus
That sounds very old-fashioned!
I mean who still uses search engines?
MetaEd
MetaEd
16:46
@tchrist "The earliest known use of the name America dates to April 25, 1507" so I'm going to argue for 260 years ago also, plus others.
@Cerberus Google employees. It's in their contracts.
Nick Alexeev
Nick Alexeev
@Cerberus I wonder what it would be if Covid didn't happen.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hmm.
Meanwhile, the Connections puzzle is hard.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Cerberus Especially Google's SEO, but also their SFO, SIO, and SMO.
@Cerberus Yeah, it nearly got me.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Green and yellow are not so hard, except that yellow required 4 tries because there are 4 equal options for the category.
Lambie
Lambie
@Cerberus What do you use?
MetaEd
MetaEd
16:48
@Cerberus I had to solve purple to get blue and yellow.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Lambie Doesn't everyone use GPT nowadays?
@MetaEd Funny, I noticed.
Purple is the hardest, isn't it?
As to yellow, you probably thought, 'that's too easy, can't be it'?
Nick Alexeev
Nick Alexeev
I don't use GPT by default. But neither Google nor GPT find the right material.
The right material tends to be from before the time when SEO became rampant.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I'm just not getting any associations with the last 8 tiles that make any sense.
Right, both have some similar issues.
tchrist
tchrist
@MetaEd If you please. Me, I find that Pangaea dealt poorly with imaginary roots of negative numbers.
Nick Alexeev
Nick Alexeev
GPT regurgitates information in a time-saving format. That's GPT's perceived virtue.
Cerberus
Cerberus
16:52
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I think yellow was unreasonable.
You had to try too many times.
As to blue, I just didn't know 3 out of 4 had that meaning.
Those do not exist here.
Purple is funny, and the thought had occurred to me for one of the words. But it is very hard to arrive at the thought at all.
Lambie
Lambie
@Cerberus I think it depends on what you are looking for, doesn't it?
Cerberus
Cerberus
I was half-joking.
But I think many people will just ask GPT instead of visiting any website to look something up.
tchrist
tchrist
I'm encouraged that Macron selected a prime minister whose name no American will ever be able to pronounce or even type.
Cerberus
Cerberus
It is not a hard name?
Isn't it /baɪ.ru/?
I probably got the a wrong, I can never remember the IPA a sounds.
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus I reckon they'll probably say /ˈfrenkojz ˈbejɹow/, disdaining the çurrender monkeys' cedilla as too prissy for red-blooded he-men to type or even consider.
Cerberus
Cerberus
17:07
Oh they can't even pronounce François, OK.
tchrist
tchrist
Frank Oyze Bay Row.
The rule is to disregard diacritics and anything you've ever known about French and pronounce foreign words as though they were English ones.
That way they need never learn anything new.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Interesting.
forvo.com/search/francois/en
tchrist
tchrist
Geoff Lindsey seems to think this is the more authentic way to handle words imported into English. I understand his point but I disagree with it.
It's how he justifies the horrible mutilations that Brits but not Americans tend to do to words from Italian, Spanish, French, etc.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I don't know him.
tchrist
tchrist
Sure you do.
Why for some it's not easy for some to pronounce KAMALA!
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Cerberus
Cerberus
17:15
Oh, he.
tchrist
tchrist
He also thinks you don't have to pronounce somebody's name like they do if you don't want to.
Which, I suppose, he may be right about.
I don't know.
If he'd had an R in his name, I would have a field day with that one.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Of course he is right about that.
Lambie
Lambie
In my experience, most people who have been around the block know how to pronounce François. How about açai? Here, in the Boston area, I have seen more and more: acai bowls, with no accent mark. And here's a new semi-scam-type thing. There is a company called Menchie's [they sell yogurt]. That's the sign on the door etc. BUT, only online they use the name: Acai super fruits, yes, it says by Menchie's.
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus /paʁi/ the thought!
Just like I don't have to ignore the two R's in Harvard even if natives may.
Provincial of me, I know.
Lambie
Lambie
But when doing deliveries for grubhub, the address was only Acai Super Fruits. And that is not street visible. The owner told me that is only an online marketing company name. The name is NOT in the shop or on the shop. I guess it's a tax thing. Anyway, açai is very, very bitter but people have bought the "it's-good-for-you" thing, which it is I guess.
tchrist
tchrist
17:21
And Spokane is not a type of pipe organ.
@Lambie Curakow is the one that bugs me the most.
What's wrong with their cows that needs curing, you know?
Sorry, Iris, but a tornado rainbow is not a colorado.
Lambie
Lambie
I just haven't heard anyone talking about Curaçao even those who have quit going to Aruba. Seriously.
tchrist
tchrist
Probably because Grand Marnier is better.
Lambie
Lambie
The funniest is the French saying in French: Pernambuco. They just drop the o. Je suis allé à Pernambuc. [boo-k] And also their saying: Guadalajara, which comes out very often as: Guadalahaha. As for the Brits, there's always: Nica-rah-gewah. So funny. But with Ibiza, they insist on: Ibitha.
tchrist
tchrist
Brits don't believe in stress "ah"; they say it like we say the vowel in bag.
Brits don't believe in stressed "ah" that isn't followed by R; they say it like we say the vowel in bag.
Or in this case, in rag.
Lambie
Lambie
Well, it's gew as in gewgah.
It's the ending more than anything else that makes me laugh.
tchrist
tchrist
17:35
Mainly they like to say the FATHER vowel wherever we have the TRAP vowel and they also like to say the TRAP vowel wherever we have the FATHER vowel.
Tacos have the vowel from match for them.
We have the FATHER vowel there.
We have the TRAP vowel in raspberry but they use the FATHER vowel.
Lambie
Lambie
Yes, I know all this. You're preaching to the choir even though the choir doesn't particularly like reading music.
tchrist
tchrist
It's like deliberate ignorance by the porsher-than-thou.
Matchizmo.
Lambie
Lambie
Actually, I don't believe I've ever heard a British person talking about tacos. But I believe you. They just seem to go on and on about kebabs and takeaways andp
utting the kettle on. I have a running joke with family. Can you guess when a character will talk about putting the kettle on in a tv series? I can always see it coming. I'm usually about 85% right.
It's so funny because I can't think of one similar "iconic" line in AmE Tv shows.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@tchrist I remember the Toronado
Mitch
Mitch
17:55
@MetaEd I remember the Maine.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch I remember the Exxon Valdez.
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd I'd forgotten all about Enron.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch You lost the game.
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd But I'm winning the war.
Good Bye to All That.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch There are no sides to a war.
Mitch
Mitch
18:00
@MetaEd I never understood what's so great about a chicken dinner. I mean it's good sure, but nothing that special.
MetaEd
MetaEd
A war is lost when it's begun -- and lost again when it's won.
Lambie
Lambie
Well, chicken dinners ain't about cocks.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch What's so good about it? ---the chicken
Mitch
Mitch
I think the chicken might have a say.
Lambie
Lambie
It crossed the damn road! :)
Can't remember what came before. What was it again?
To get to the other side...
But Chicken Little thought the sky was fallin'.
MetaEd
MetaEd
18:05
@Lambie "He's right behind me, isn't he."
Mitch
Mitch
The egg came first. Once amphibians stayed on land and became reptiles, they developed hard shelled eggs, roughly in the late Permian, early Triassic. Then Birds developed in the mid-Cretaceous. Chickens (or the gallinaceous order) developed in the early Miocene (not that long ago). So, ergo, hence, then, ipso facto, obiter dictu, the egg came becore the chicken.
I had to do real research to say that.
You're welcome.
MetaEd
MetaEd
If it's a hen's egg, neither came first. There was neither a first hen's egg, nor a first chicken.
I had to do real research to say that too, but not today.
Lambie
Lambie
18:23
In the face of such learning, I throw up my hands in defeat.
 
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jlliagre
jlliagre
19:56
@tchrist I would suggest pronouncing his name as France whoa by who (or bayou).
Note that in France, there is no consensus about how to pronounce Bayrou.
Some say /be.ʁu/, other /baj.ʁu/ and even /ba.jə.ʁu/.
alphabet
alphabet
@tchrist This article strikes me as just...very strange.
It seems to insinuate that there's something bad--or even sinister--about holding political views that aren't particularly aligned with the orthodox left or right.
As if those are the only two legitimate or coherent or consistent political worldviews.
Why is it bad to follow authors from across the political spectrum? Surely someone who only follows writers from one side or the other ends up trapped in a bubble.
The author comes close outright calling himself an out-of-touch elite by expressing surprise at "what most non-elites consume."
Then there's this line:
> Unfortunately, if you’re reading this essay, you’re likely very, very out of touch.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
20:15
A synthetic protein-level neural network in mammalian cells
alphabet
alphabet
So he apparently thinks essays in the Guardian are only consumed by elites, and out of touch ones at that? Strange. It's not the Economist or something, just a reasonably good center-left news source without a paywall.
> They found these Americans, predictably, defy conventional political categorization. They believe immigration should be decreased, abortion should be legal, the criminal justice system is not tough enough, the government should crack down on price-gouging, and same-sex marriage is just dandy. They practice hodgepodge politics, and they aren’t bothered by what elites would call ideological inconsistency.
If you think it's inconsistent to hold all those positions, you're not an elite, you're just, frankly, not very intelligent or not very well-educated or not very reflective or something.
Moreover, the very fact that these positions are widely held, and that someone who held them committed an act of violence, doesn't mean that those political views somehow lead to violence inevitably.
It would be extremely strange if they did, given that there's nothing in them that glorifies violence per se. It seems like he just happens to hold a somewhat unusual and complex set of political views; you'd have to be truly trapped in a bubble to find such people dangerous.
Just so weird, this article. I can't make heads or tails of it.
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist I just heard /bɛj.ʁu/ too.
Lambie
Lambie
@alphabet What article?
Mitch
Mitch
20:32
@alphabet I don't know about that particular list of positions, if they're inconsistent or not or partially inconsistent (there are so many different positions) but 1) it's very very easy to think of everything as black and white for each position -and- one of those is the right/good choice for other people (because that's how voting works, and frnakly language itself (people say 'are for for against this?', not 'on a scale of 1-10, how for or against are you?'
-and- 2) for oneself think that everything is nuanced and problematic and unsure -and- not realize that you yourself are inconsistent.
hm that was all mixed up.
That proves my point!
well, just for me.
ANyway, people writing these opinion articles are often just being forced to take their inchoate feelings and force them into crisp words to fill up a column.
If you stare into the abyss, the abyss just couldn't give a rat's ass.
I find the Guardian's op-eds to often be (on the occasional time I happen to run pass them) ... sort of ... I don't know... stereotypically like...
I don't know.
presumptupus?
I don't know how that can be a stereotype of anybody. But it feels consistently that way.
@alphabet That's the whole direction of the commentary it seems: this guy who did this bad thing X, does this one totally random other thing Y. therefore Y causes X.
HIs parents are rich. Therefore he killed a guy.
He played D&D once. Therefore he killed a guy.
He smiled on camera. Therefore he killed a guy.
7 hours ago, by tchrist
> Unfortunately, if you’re reading this essay, you’re likely very, very out of touch.
Before anybody says anything, I consider it very presumptupus to correct someones spelling or typos.
alphabet
alphabet
@Lambie Click the arrow to see what message I was replying to.
Mitch
Mitch
@alphabet Whereas, at least with the NYT staff op-ed writers, you know exactly where the author stands.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
20:49
The worst part of having an apple addiction is the fact that you can't see a doctor about it.
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch Now now, let's not get too pro-sumpsimus here. Otherwise next thing you know you'll have us all mumpsimussing in our sleepsimusses.
Sorry, I'm always getting your presumpsimus confused with my prosumpsimus.
alphabet
alphabet
@Mitch Bret Stephens stands on the island nobody dares travel to. Question: does anyone, anywhere on the political spectrum, like Bret Stephens?
Mitch
Mitch
@alphabet Or Ross Douthat or David Brooks or that other guy I've forgotten.
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre The Brits are always using a biro for everything.
Mitch
Mitch
all of those guys define the word 'ugh' for me.
tchrist
tchrist
20:54
@Mitch You forgot a b in your headgear.
Mitch
Mitch
/øχ/
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre The epenthetic vowel in your three-syllable version is curious.
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist It's a legitimate alternate spelling of 'Onnet'
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Chesterton of the day: "Because every man is a biped, fifty men are not a centipede"
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist Southern France accent.
tchrist
tchrist
20:57
@Mitch Don your doubting hat, Russ.
Mitch
Mitch
@CowperKettle Is this one of those 'Harvard entrance exam' quiz questions?
alphabet
alphabet
@Mitch Surely there are readers who like those two. But Bret Stephens seems to hold a combination of views that I think everyone would find annoying for one reason or another.
Remember: he rails against cancel culture, but he tried to get a professor fired for jokingly calling him a "bedbug."
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Humans are unreliable models of mouse disease
Mitch
Mitch
@alphabet Did he mean it as a cute bedbug or an ugly one? Context matters.
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre The Lisboetas also change their ei diphthongs into ai ones, making their milk leite sound more like English light than like English late. I wonder whether this is a general principle of some sort, given French. Or maybe it should never have made it into e anything when it was starting from something lactal in the first place and this is just retro. :)
alphabet
alphabet
21:02
@Mitch "Are you very wealthy? Did your parents donate us money for the new field hockey stadium? Alternatively, how do you feel about being a token minority?"
tchrist
tchrist
Perhaps I still suffer from getting my knuckles metaphorically rapt by a French teacher insistently reminding me that "there are no diphthongs in French".
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist Yeah, same.
jlliagre
jlliagre
21:19
@tchrist We had triphthongs like eau. They just ended being pronounced a simpler way.
Robusto
Robusto
@jlliagre That kind of happens to all your vowels.
Lambie
Lambie
@alphabet I read through it quickly but what I see is that if more and more people become like Mangioni (as regards that list of issues the author lists in the article) and have no where no hang their hat (on a political party/movement), more individuals will become prone to direct, violent action. Is that your reading?
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
21:58
@Cerberus no no, I'm saying America's always been a pretty diverse country, and recently immigrants (possibly older immigrants) have stopped trying to learn English as much as before.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. But the immigrants who are already there still know as much English as they used to.
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus well then either a new demographic is being included in the polls (new citizenship? New generation?) or the constant wave of immigration into America has become statistically significant compared to when it didn't show up in the polls.
Either way I don't think there's anything extraordinary going on
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. I can't imagine those resulting such a large quantitative change in such a short time.
Another option is: the statistics lie.
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus also possible. I don't think it's a coincidence that just as Trumpsters are about to rise to power again someone's raising a stink about this.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Not sure I follow this.
But I had three beers.
think_meaning_buildß
think_meaning_buildß
22:12
Don't drink and try to derive meaning on the internet.
MetaEd
MetaEd
22:32
@tchrist are we sure they're not Germans?
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
23:07
Did you know: Every “C” in “Pacific Ocean” is pronounced differently.
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MetaEd
MetaEd
23:19
@CowperKettle I just say Pacific Ocean. Who says Padifferentlyifidifferently Odifferentlyean?
Cerberus
Cerberus
@MetaEd You must not speak the standard dialedifferentlyt.
think_meaning_buildß
think_meaning_buildß
pfff
alphabet
alphabet
23:57
@M.A.R. What's odd about that survey is that nearly every country saw a decline in literacy rates over that time period. I suspect some sort of methodological problem, unless this is somehow a worldwide problem.
Like nearly 4/5 of all the countries they surveyed had a decline, some much larger than that of the US.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yeah, the social science have this problem often.
alphabet
alphabet
Or rather, an increase in the % of people with the lowest levels of literacy.
Cerberus
Cerberus
They see numbers, but their conclusions cannot be supported by mere numbers.

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