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1:40 AM
@Cerberus Voronezh is the birthplace of the Russian Navy. Peter the Great founded the first 'modern' shipbuilding warf there.
Воро́нежское адмиралте́йство — адмиралтейство, на верфях которого в 1696—1711 годах было построено около 215 кораблей для первого в истории России регулярного армейского флота, благодаря которому удалось завоевать крепость Азов, а впоследствии подписать мирный договор с Османской империей (Турцией) для начала войны со Швецией. == История == В связи с подготовкой Петра I к военным действиям против Османской империи ,к концу XVII века возникла необходимость в строительстве регулярного русского военно-морского флота, причём только на средства государства и с помощью отечественных специалистов. �...
 
@CowperKettle Ah, then I think I remember seeing it on a map.
There was talk of its being the largest remaining porn of Russia on the Black Sea, after the cession of the Crimea.
If that is the city I was thinking of.
 
1:55 AM
Teehee
 
2:07 AM
I wrote a book about falling down the stairs - it's a step-by-step guide.
 
the largest remaining porn of Russia Poor Russia.
 
> Elderly people taking the multivitamin were able to recall about a quarter more words, which translates into remembering just a few more words, compared to the placebo group. npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/26/1178225715/…
Word of the morn: treenail (used in ship/building construction), in Russian: nagel, reportedly derived from a Dutch word which I was not able to find.
Russians built their ships using treenails until a British expert hired by Peter I first used iron nails in the early 1710s
 
2:23 AM
@CowperKettle Nagel is nail.
Used for fingernails and iron nails alike.
 
Noun: Nagel m (strong, genitive Nagels, plural Nägel, diminutive Nägelchen n)
  1. (anatomy) A nail, the horny plate on fingers and toes of humans and certain animals which mostly consists of keratin.
  2. A nail, a man-made pointed fastener used for joining different materials by penetrating them.
Ah!
 
Nailed it.
 
I took a large dose of B6 before sleep, and again had a weird dream, in which I lived in a large house and there was one underground guest room which was, unknowingly to me, frequented by George Soros.
 
If it was unknown to you, then how do you know?
 
I just ventured to walk the house's rooms with someone who said it
 
2:32 AM
OK.
 
@CowperKettle That's George Soros, controlling the world with vitamins.
Is George Soros putting GMO microchip vaccines in our supplements?!?!
 
There was a draft bill for microchipping all pet animals in Russia - cats, dogs. But I guess it's no longer an issue, with chips harder to find.
It would have been great for finding the owners of stray dogs and cats.
Word of the hour: virago (woman with masculine qualities)
Louise Michel (French: [lwiz miʃɛl] (listen); 29 May 1830 – 9 January 1905) was a teacher and important figure in the Paris Commune. Following her penal transportation to New Caledonia she embraced anarchism. When returning to France she emerged as an important French anarchist and went on speaking tours across Europe. The journalist Brian Doherty has called her the "French grande dame of anarchy." Her use of a black flag at a demonstration in Paris in March 1883 was also the earliest known of what would become known as the anarchy black flag. == Early life == Louise Michel was born on 29 May 1830...
I came across the word in a Wiki article a year ago
> Her political theory progressed from peaceful reform to violent revolution, because she came to believe that contemporary society had to be completely destroyed for a new egalitarian era to emerge. The many years she spent in prison and in the French penal colony New Caledonia were central to her change of heart.
 
@CowperKettle This Latin definition is not correct, virago means 'man-like woman, heroine' in Latin.
It is a noun.
 
2:52 AM
Ah!
 
3:06 AM
I have corrected it.
 
3:46 AM
@Cerberus you're doing God's work
 
Amen.
 
 
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6:45 AM
Without cheating, does anybody know what is the difference between a bog and a fen? O_O
 
7:05 AM
N_O
 
7:49 AM
It's Africa here.
 
We had hailstorm last night. It's been like that this week.
Thunderstorm as well.
So weather is not that hot.
 
Nice to hear that!
 
I think it's pre-monsoon.
 
> Monsoon in India will arrive on June 4, according to predictions made by India Meteorological Department (IMD). Last year, the monsoon over Kerala occurred on May 29, two days after IMD's prediction on May 27
 
And it should arrive couple of weeks later in my state which is in north.
 
 
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9:48 AM
> A number of universities in Australia have decided to place restrictions on applications of Indian students from Punjab, Haryana, Uttarakhand, Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat and Jammu & Kashmir over alleged submission of fraudulent documents and high rate of dropouts.
Good. Fraud or fake documents must not have any place.
 
 
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12:38 PM
@CowperKettle Fixing bogs is no fen.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=8-rE0H8xTe4#t=1m7s MIDSTREAM companies and refineries (is that what he's saying?)
 
@MichaelRybkin Sounds like it, yes. But I don't know what that would mean.
 
A woman was reading a book in Ukrainian on a plane from Moscow to Vladikavkaz, and her neighbor reported on her. She was apprehended on arrival, and taken to the police station. stav.aif.ru/incidents/details/…
In the police station, she was discovered to carry "Ukrainian stickers" on her phone and her backpack.
She may be charged with attempts to discredit the Russian Army.
By the way, a month ago I saw a young woman with a large flowery peace sign (the round sign) on her T-shirt. I was amazed at such bravery.
Ronald Dion DeSantis ( or ; born September 14, 1978) is an American politician serving as the 46th governor of Florida since 2019. A member of the Republican Party, DeSantis represented Florida's 6th congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives from 2013 to 2018. Born in Jacksonville, DeSantis spent most of his childhood in Dunedin, Florida. He graduated from Yale University and Harvard Law School. DeSantis joined the United States Navy in 2004 and was promoted to lieutenant before serving as a legal advisor to SEAL Team One. He was stationed at Joint Task Force Guantanamo in 2006...
He looks better than Trump.
Two graduations, experience serving as a Governor.
Looks closer to a normal man.
 
1:03 PM
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@CowperKettle Yeah, if a normal man is a fascist.
 
> His only sibling, younger sister Christina Marie DeSantis, was born in Orlando and died in 2015 at age 30 from a pulmonary embolism.
A frightful thing. My friend in the USA nearly died of this.
A biology/chemistry teacher from Ukraine.
She had the attack at school, and was immediately brought to a hospital and saved.
But she was age 50, not 30.
Word of the day: sanctuary cities
 
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#globle
 
@tchrist Thank you.
 
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1:46 PM
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2:04 PM
Which sounds better to you guys:

1. One can't forget what one's seen.
2. One can't forget what they've seen.
 
Better: You can't forget what you've seen.
 
Or cannot, if weak forms are too quiet.
 
More modern: You can't unsee something.
 
Once something has been seen, it can never be forgotten.
But he's asking whether it's okay to use they for an antecedent of one. We have questions about that.
 
I'd avoid it altogether.
 
2:15 PM
Yes, it's pretty stiff.
 
Especially when combined with one. I mean, that is poking the bear.
 
Not especially conversational outside instruction from a blue-haired matron with a yard stick in hand to slap you with.
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A: "One is only poor, if they choose to be." Can "one" and "they" be used like this?

WS2It is not the fact that "they" is plural that is the problem here, it is that "they" is not readily compatible with the subject. One is only poor if one chooses to be is a better form. You could use "they" if you used a compatible subject e.g. A person is only poor if they choose to be. "They" ca...

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Q: Can the third person pronoun "they" be used to refer to the singular gender-neutral pronoun "one"?

RoseDavieFor instance, would it be correct to say "One must be careful so that they do not lose control of the vehicle while driving in heavy snow"? I think I have read similar phrases before but I can't find any examples online at the moment. Links to similar examples would be of utmost help! Thank you s...

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Q: Using both “one’s” and “their” to refer to the same entity

DavidConsider this example: Sustainability management in large organisations is an important activity that helps to achieve one’s business goals while at the same time reducing their environmental impact and improving benefits to wider society." Does it make sense to use both one’s and their to ...

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Q: One has to cook himself or themself?

ManishWanted to know which form is better and why One has to cook himself? OR One has to cook themself?

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Q: One doesn't know about his/their future

IblakinWhich one is more appropriate? "He" Or "Their?"

 
I hate themself with a passion.
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"One would be better to keep that to himself."
 
@CowperKettle he's just as horrible, from what I have seen during Trump.
 
2:19 PM
Spanish uses the collective masculine gender and the women don't seem to mind. Why can't we?
 
"No one but no one should keep it to himself."
 
Maybe worse, if only because of the superficial impression that he is any more civil.
 
@M.A.R. Possibly worse, since he is focused and disciplined.
 
0
Q: can "one' be substituted by "they" in a sentence?

Daisy WhiteI'm wondering if this sentence makes sense. If more examples could be offered, that would be appreciated. Thank you. As long as one has a pastor certificate and gifts and can analyze the Bible, it means they are approved and anointed by God.

 
@tchrist omg this thing again
 
2:24 PM
@MichaelRybkin People are all missing the boat. It's not whether it is possible. Clearly it is possible: it regularly happens in spontaneous utterances by native speakers. Whether it is advisable is a different matter. On this do opinions vary widely.
 
Let me be politically inoffensive in peace
 
Who anointed you peacefully inoffensive?
 
Certainly no one from this side of the pond
 
Why, did you guys run out of holy oil?
I thought you could still import it from the Russian Orthodox patriarch.
 
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Not fun.
 
Interesting.
I was wondering why so little was done to Russian pipelines just yesterday.
 
The "just northwest of Moscow" bit, or pipelines in general?
 
In general.
I thought it was because Ukraine didn't want to anger any recipients, such as Europe and China.
Remember that Ukraine still transports a lot of Russian gas (and probably also oil) over its own territory from Russia to Europe.
 
Maybe.
 
Thank you.
 
2:36 PM
Maybe what?
Reasons for not destroying pipelines?
 
@tchrist no, we uphold women rights by putting them in a coffin made of black clothes
 
@Cerberus Yes, or at least reasons for not declaring you're doing so. It seems complicated.
 
Quite.
They already hit Nordstream hard.
 
For implausibly deniable values of they.
 
Well, it took a while for reports to come out clearly pointing to Ukraine.
So they did that well.
 
2:47 PM
@Cerberus The weirdest thing is, Russia is paying for the transfer, and Ukraine receives payments.
 
Yes.
Zelensky considered stopping transportation, to thwart Orban.
 
A similarly psychedelic situation was in the Donbass, when during the tank and infrantry battles of 2014 and 2015, trains and trucks with industrial goods and raw materials went back and forth, because plants kept on working.
They crossed the frontlines.
 
But I read in some article that Ukraine also uses the line for cover, because the Russians won't attack near it. And other, friendly European countries still receive gas from the line, too.
@CowperKettle Yeah war is hardly ever total.
 
Some industrial/mafia moguls in the Donbass region at first thought Putin would move the troops to take Donbass like Crimea, so they kind of sided with Russia. Then they saw that Putin only sent some "volunteers", and it all went pear-shaped, with some re-siding with Ukraine.
At least that's what I recall reading back in 2017-18.
They hoped it would be a quick and clean annexation, like with Crimea, but Putin became too afraid to move openly.
And it all became bloody and prolonged.
 
Makes sense.
Putin must be slapping himself for not fully invading Ukraine in 2014.
Although perhaps the Russian army was very much not ready.
 
3:06 PM
That's why in 2014 my anti-Ukrainian friend called Putin guilty of treason. "He should invade and take Kiev!"
 
Right.
It's funny how not adding territory to a country is considered an attack on the country.
> "We've already, really immediately after seeing the Chicago cluster, convened folks within the U.S. government to discuss what the data is that we have and if there needs to be any change," the White House's Dr. Demetre Daskalakis told reporters last week.
An interesting example, could be very illustrative to learners of English grammar.
Apply the rules that you know, and consider this apparent deviation.
 
Bart Frederikus de Graaff (Dutch pronunciation: [bɑrt ˌfreːdəˈrikɵz də ˈɣraːf]; 16 April 1967 – 25 May 2002) was an influential Dutch television presenter, comedian and creator, as well as the founder and chairman of the public broadcasting network BNN. == Early life == Bart Frederikus de Graaff was born on 16 April 1967 in Haarlem in the Netherlands. Because of a car accident in his youth in 1976, De Graaff suffered from serious kidney failure for most of his life. This also caused a growth disorder which caused de Graaff to appear much younger than his actual age. In his career as a television...
He has just appeared in my Reddit, because I switched from a UK VPN to a Dutch VPN
When I was using the UK VPN, I had to ban like 30 to 50 soccer-dedicated subreddits from ever appearing in my feed.
 
From my limited exposure to Dutch TV personalities I can say they are very interesting
 
He reminded me of Vova Larionov, who also has dysfunctioning kidneys. He lives at a Russian hospital all his life, and looks aged 12 while he is 17.
 
3:27 PM
Today in "oops we supported a neo-Nazi": nytimes.com/2023/05/26/world/europe/…
 
@CowperKettle Yuck yeah I have so many filters (ultimately based on @Matt's userscript) to block football stuff from my newspaper's FRONT page even.
 
A surprising number of ELL (and some ELU) questions are "I don't understand this sentence I heard" where the answer is "Yeah it's just a typo"
Occasionally it's "yeah it's just AAVE"
 
You have ave for have?
@M.A.R. You must be the only one, then...
 
Hypothetically, could a compounding pharmacy make Dexedrine in gummy bear form?
 
3:50 PM
@alphabet not normally, no
Gels are difficult to make because they tend not to look good.
And besides more dangerous drugs really shouldn't be formulated extemporaneously
 
@M.A.R. Darn, there goes my shady telehealth business idea
 
@alphabet you could always find a chain restaurant run by a Chilean who can give you a couple of million dollars to do it in a basement
I would hesitate to even make an acetaminophen pill extemporaneously
 
@M.A.R. I did hear that now you can't prescribe controlled substances via telehealth anymore. Should stop all those TikTok ads for Adderall.
(In the US, I mean)
 
@alphabet TBH advertising drugs makes me queasy. Sure if it's some overpriced supplement with some herbs and crap, but drugs?
Here the closest we got to advertising drugs was advertising some ointment for burns. And even then you could question the intent: Treating burns has a very specific evidence-based protocol, what does advertising the ointment to the patient achieve?
 
4:07 PM
@M.A.R. because gels are hard to get in a good gummi form (runny or misshapen or oozing or brown) or because ... Some other reason?
@M.A.R. that's a very non-specific side effect. Most drugs 'cause' nausea
Haha because it's as though advertisement is an affliction and anti advertisement drugs make you nauseous
Haha
Ha
 
@M.A.R. Technically they're just advertising telehealth services for people with ADHD; the ads don't mention any specific drug. But they are (or were) just semi-legal Adderall pill mills.
 
Ok it's not -that- funny
 
@Mitch the gelling agent is difficult to work with. Natural gelling agents are hard to keep microbe-free. Gummy bears often use carrageenans AFAIK. Synthetic gelling agents are either expensive or tend to form clumps if you don't mix them well.
 
We all have ADHD
Also ASD
Also depressed
Except when we're mani, but only slightly
 
@Mitch "Ask your doctor about Zofran, the cure for watching drug ads"
 
4:11 PM
Don't run out of acronyms on me now
 
@alphabet I could watch that all day
Until I get sick of it
Nauseous
Literally
@M.A.R. I'll make up more
 
@Mitch MDD
@Mitch BMD
 
@M.A.R. why isn't there a recall on gummi bears then since they go bad from e coli all the time?
 
@M.A.R. It's as easy as ASD / it's as simple as MDD, BPD, GAD, gimme drugs for these
 
@M.A.R. what's that? Borderline Manic Dysfunction?
 
4:15 PM
@Mitch Bipolar Manic Disorder
Or Depression
@Mitch if someone made gummy bears for you and you didn't eat them within half a month they'll go bad.
Maybe sooner.
I made a gel with carbomers and didn't mix it fast enough and it looked ugly as
Ugly as
Help me out here
 
@M.A.R. looks sideways
I currently have in my backpack....
Well
I'll just not say anything more
You're not my mom ok?
 
On the bright side, you might discover new species of microorganisms on it now
 
@Mitch There are gummy-based drugs. Haribo sugar-free is a pretty good laxative
 
@M.A.R. sin
 
Just don't let your kids get into the melatonin gummies: theatlantic.com/health/archive/2023/05/melatonin-kids-overdose/…
 
4:22 PM
You mean like a ball pit area made of gummies?
Yeah that would not be sanitary
 
When I was a kid there were these vitamin C gummy bears. I think I kept some even after they went bad. The last ones were literally decomposing
 
That means they're natural
 
@M.A.R. They still make those. They're supposed to treat colds but they don't really do anything. Ironically in grade school I had a science teacher who swore by them
 
@Mitch No just that the formulation was falling apart from the inside
@alphabet yeah. More pop science crap I have to deal with on a daily basis. Another vitamin C fact: Doesn't help much with iron absorption
 
@M.A.R. Huh. Yeah, a lot of supplement-related BS out there
 
4:28 PM
If you saw an iron supplement with, say, 250 mg of vitamin C, they've just formulated it that way to make the product more expensive, without discernible benefit in iron absorption
IIRC a whole gram of vitamin C increases absorption by ~10%
 
Incidentally: if you're on the all-milk diet, you do actually need a vitamin C supplement. Cows can make their own so their milk doesn't contain any
I believe that's the only nutrient missing (though you probably don't get sufficient levels of many others)
 
I've never tried offending my physiology in such a way so I can't say
 
Call it a "milk cleanse" and instagram it. Insist on using locally-sourced organic milk for extra clout
One supplement I recommend: caffeine pills/mints/gummies/etc. Much more efficient than making coffee/tea
 
The supplement trail leads to ever increasing dosages, in my experience. But yeah, I've put on a lot of weight by boosting my milk intake.
 
4:45 PM
I don't know anyone who takes vitamin pills or the like.
Unless you happen to have some specific deficiency, you can just eat normally?
 
Idk. My doctor did suggest I take Vitamin D. She didn't actually test me for a deficiency though, so maybe she's just a shill for Big Vitamin D
There's a popular idea that all of us should take Vitamin D since nobody gets outside enough in the winter
 
"popular" = $
 
If you're a real supplement-head you buy from one of the fancy brands like Thorne or Pure Encapsulations & brag about how well-tested they are or whatever
 
@alphabet 'clout' = expulsion volume?
 
Oddly enough, Deplin is just a supplement that you can write prescriptions for. Legally it's a "medical food"
Supposedly it treats depression
 
4:52 PM
Aren't meals in hospitals 'prescrined'?
 
@alphabet Ok right, maybe D is the exception.
 
Isn't the hospital cafeteria an arm of the hospital pharmacy?
 
It should be where pharmacy and nutritional science meet.
 
Right. Science
Speaking of science that's making me all hungry
 
Have a glass of milk.
 
5:05 PM
You can't get milk at a pharmacy is all I'm saying
 
Even big grocery stores didn't use to have pharmacies.
 
> In Spanje besloot de Koninklijke Academie een paar jaar geleden de Schotse nationale drank voortaan fonetisch te schrijven als ‘guïsqui’.
I love this.
I praesume you can understand the gist of what it says.
 
 
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6:27 PM
@alphabet Yes, I noticed something similar about this detachment before.
@alphabet Two of my friends went off antidepressants when they tried out L-methylfolate (the generic name for Deplin)
I'm not taking it only because the back of my hands turns red, dry, and starts springing cracks oozing blood when I start on it.
Otherwise, each time I took it, I felt better. Psychologically and in terms of energy.
I have a similar allergy for riboflavin.
L-methylfolate: a vitamin for your monoamines - by Stephen Stahl, author of the current Bible among psychiatrists, titled "Stahl's Essential Psychopharmacology". They simply call the book "Stahl". Like, "do you have the latest edition of Stahl?"
 
@Cerberus The diæ̈resis should be over the first u to make it not-silent: güisqui. Otherwise gu is a digraph meaning [ɣ] or sometimes [g] depending on where it falls.
Spanish and English are complete opposites in how they treat foreign loanwords. Spanish sensibly rewrites them using their spelling system so that it approximates the original sounds. English leaves the original spelling and then pretends it was English, thereby hopelessly mangling the word forevermore. Just idiotic.
Just because something uses the Latin alphabet doesn't mean you don't need to transliterate it.
 
6:51 PM
> - If H2O is what's inside of a fire hydrant, what's on the outside?
- K9P
Midnight in Chernobyl: The Untold Story of the World's Greatest Nuclear Disaster (2019) by Adam Higginbotham is a history of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster that occurred in Soviet Ukraine in 1986. It won the Andrew Carnegie Medal for Excellence in Nonfiction in 2020. Higginbotham spent more than a decade interviewing eyewitnesses and reviewing documents from the disaster including some that were recently declassified. Higginbotham considers it the first English-language account that is close to the truth. == Awards and honors == 2019 The New York Times Ten Best Books 2020 Andrew Carnegie Medal...
I listened to the audioversion a bit, and it feels like a well-written book.
 
@CowperKettle Russia isn't fighting "Nazis" in Ukraine. Well, except when they are. Oops.
 
@alphabet Nazism in Ukraine is not at the stage that would require external invasion.
 
@Cerberus 'fuisce go loir'
 
Therefore, yes, Russia is just waging a crazy war. It's like the Yugoslavia breakup wars, only it started later.
 
@CowperKettle aren't neonazis a problem in Russia?
 
7:03 PM
@Mitch No, there are too little of them.
They are a problem at the maintenance level. A routine problem for the police to work routinely.
 
@CowperKettle from the outside, I would expect there to be just as many in both places.
 
@Mitch I guess they are at similar levels in Russia and Ukraine.
 
And while not identical, fascism seems to be a more likely descriptor if a lot of current Russian policies
 
I remember reading that two Nazi parties in Ukraine thought to unite, in order to gain at least a single seat in Parliament, and it was in vain. Their combined support would not give them a single seat.
Poland in 1939 would score more points on the Nazi scale than either Ukraine or Russia, I guess.
 
As crazy as it seems, Israel has a handful of neonazis
And probably from former USSR
 
7:07 PM
@Mitch Thus far, just imperial politics. Fascism implies some party of people really inspired by something. Like "let's restore the Roman Empire" (Italy).
Today in Russia people will just laugh at a proposal to spend their time voluntarily in such a party.
"United Russia" is a party that will vanish as soon as the current authorities (Putin and his oligarch friends) leave their positions of power.
Can there be a fascist state without a fascist party?
I don't know.
 
@tchrist Ah, interesting. Perhaps incorrectly copied, then.
 
7:44 PM
@CowperKettle Of course. Also: Zelenskyy is apparently a...Jewish Nazi?
Not to mention that whole thing where Ukrainians also fought the Nazis in WW2.
Oh, and I don't think EU membership is at the top of any hard-right nationalist's list of priorities.
In which a question is closed for lack of research, but research would have yielded the wrong answer: english.stackexchange.com/questions/603575/…
Grr.
Anyway voting to reopen.
 
@alphabet Same.
@CowperKettle Didn't you say Peter used Voronezh to build the first Russian navy?
But it is so far from the sea?
 
@Cerberus Yes, so they put the ships into the river :)
 
@CowperKettle Ah, OK.
Is the Don deep enough?
All the way to the Black Sea?
 
Yes, especially because Peter was trying to capture the Black Sea coast from the Ottomans
 
8:04 PM
OK interesting.
I suppose then it makes sense.
 
8:21 PM
> Parishioners have denounced Russian priests who advocated peace instead of victory in the war on Ukraine. Teachers lost their jobs after children tattled that they opposed the war. Neighbors who bore some trivial grudge for years have snitched on longtime foes. Workers rat on one another to their bosses or directly to the police or the Federal Security Service.
> Private conversations in restaurants and rail cars are fair game for eavesdroppers, who call police to arrest “traitors” and “enemies.” Social media posts, and messages — even in private chat groups — become incriminating evidence that can lead to a knock on the door by agents of the Federal Security Service of FSB.
@CowperKettle ^
Take note.
All this for the sake of one man's ego.
 
8:34 PM
> In Soviet times, there was a chilling word for ratting on fellow citizens: stuchat, meaning to knock, evoking thoughts of a sly citizen knocking on a police officer’s door to make a report. The shorthand gesture to convey “Be careful, the walls have ears,” was a silent knocking motion.
 
@Robusto Yes, probably it happens in any nation at war
 
The rats are the first to come out of a sinking ship.
 
@CowperKettle Not to that degree. Compare the protests in the US against the Vietnam War.
That's 1984 stuff, my friend.
That's Soviet-era stuff.
 
@Cerberus There were two attempts by Peter I to capture the Azov fortress, curiously - manned by Slavs. Up to 100 000 of Peter I's soldiers against only 4000 of Janissaries inside the fortress. The first time they held up, and Peter came again the next year.
By Slavs and other "European" people who were made into Janissaries.
What will topple the current human civilization earlier: war, climate change, biological de-diversification, running out of gas/oil, or a new version of ChatGPT?
 
The pandemic is not over until gas prices come down.
 
8:44 PM
I think nuclear war could do it, an extreme pandemic (like nothing that has ever happened since mankind's incipience), and an artificial superintelligence.
The other threats don't seem existential.
Civilisation has never in history collapsed completely everywhere.
In order for that to happen, all centres of civilisation need to be hit very severely.
Nuclear war cannot do that.
All nukes in the world combined contain only very little energy, compared with the atmosphere as a whole.
 
Ok, you're right.
 
But scientists used to think a nuclear winter might be caused by a nuclear war.
Darkening the atmosphere, making agriculture all but impossible for a long time, resulting in massive starvation.
 
Yeah, I think that's what I'm confusing it with.
 
@user726941 Also PC parts.
 
Darking Darkening
@Cerberus^
@Vikas agreed 👍
Gas prices affect everything.
 
9:14 PM
@Robusto gives a while new meaning to knock knock jokes
Knock knock
Who's there?
FSB. Open up
FSB open up who?
Looks like we got another smart aleck. Ok light it up boys!
 
10:10 PM
FSB who? "Shut up, we were trying to put nerve agent on your doorknob"
 
 
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11:24 PM
@M.A.R. oh, you mean the mix of drugs in the gummi was rendered ineffectual (or wrong). I was just concerned about the gummi stuff itself, the shape and consistency.
 
11:38 PM
I'm concerned about gummi as well, that is, I can't find any and I really have a craving for candy at the moment.
 
11:49 PM
@alphabet rather, the amount of UV exposure that would lead to adequate vit D production is impossible in a lot of places.
 
@Cerberus Well ... it depends on how you define comopletely.
 
People that eat diets that are full of carbs (simple or complex) probably do need supplementation, for very small values of "need"
 
@Robusto How would you define completely?
As in, Fox News?
@M.A.R. Why carbohydrates, specifically?
 
To go from civilization to nothing, no. But to go from a civilized world to a grubbing, mealy-to-mouth existence, I think we've been very close to that before.
 
Like when?
 
11:52 PM
The Late Bronze Age collapse was a time of widespread societal collapse during the 12th century BC, between c. 1200 and 1150. The collapse affected a large area of the Eastern Mediterranean (North Africa and Southeast Europe) and the Near East, in particular Egypt, eastern Libya, the Balkans, the Aegean, Anatolia, and the Caucasus. It was sudden, violent, and culturally disruptive for many Bronze Age civilizations, and it brought a sharp economic decline to regional powers, notably ushering in the Greek Dark Ages. The palace economy of Mycenaean Greece, the Aegean region, and Anatolia that ...
Sure, not total collapse. But none of us would want to live through that.
 
That was pretty bad, I wouldn't say civilisation collapsed completely in Egypt, Mesopotamia, China?
Cities continued to be fed.
 
The plague of Justinian or Justinianic plague (541–549 AD) was the first recorded major outbreak of the first plague pandemic: the first Old World pandemic of plague, the contagious disease caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. The disease afflicted the entire Mediterranean Basin, Europe, and the Near East, severely affecting the Sasanian Empire and the Byzantine Empire and especially Constantinople. The plague is named for the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I (r. 527–565) who according to his court historian Procopius contracted the disease and recovered in 542, at the height of the epidemic which...
Things got pretty bad.
Or the Black Death in the 14th century, which killed 1/3 to 1/2 of the population.
Civilization wasn't wiped out, but it was certainly put on its heels.
 
Would you call it a collapse of civilisation?
 
@Cerberus foods rich in complex carbs (all sorts of bread and rice, for example) tend not to be rich in the good sort of fat that would contain fat-soluble vitamins. Of those, you don't need A much and besides, eating a little fruit is sufficient (for the carotenoids). Vitamin E is also not very essential and also found in a lot of other normal food you consume. Vitamin K is always produced sufficiently by the colon bacteria in healthy people.
 
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11:57 PM
@Cerberus For some values of collapse, yes. Not total, not complete.
@jlliagre Brat. Yeah, I blew that one. Coulda been better, but I chased an obvious completion that turned out to cost me three turns.
 
@M.A.R. Ah, OK, for a moment I thought carbohydrates actually used up vitamins in your body or something.
 

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