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12:02 AM
> Russia’s media watchdog Roskomnadzor monitors negative messages about President Vladimir Putin online and compiles reports on protest sentiments of the Russian public in each federal district and even in separate regions, an investigation published by IStories and Süddeutsche Zeitung reveals.
> Moreover, reporters got hold of 804 names that the GRFC collected information on over 2020-2022 to potentially place them on Russia’s “foreign agent” list. A total of 139 people from those lists are already on the official “foreign agent” register.
12:15 AM
@CowperKettle Thanks.
My friend's grandmother suddenly died 2 days ago, and they held a funeral service in the church not far from my home yesterday, so she visited me to share some "funeral pastry". The grandmother was born in 1936.
Our neighbor, a building construction engineer, also died recently, last summer, and she also was born in 1936.
12:31 AM
Well, that's kind of not unexpect d at that age
12:47 AM
@CowperKettle when you visit the doc there, do they have an electronic health record app that they enter your data into?
@Mitch Sometimes. It's kind of haphazard. Somewhere it exists, somewhere not yet.
They are moving towards that. Computers fail often, probably not enough qualified sysadmins etc.
In Tyumen, in Siberia, one outpatient clinic had a computer network and a record system in the mid 1990s. My jaw dropped when I visited the doc when I got a cold at the institute.
A state clinic, but quite advanced. Probably the director was an IT fanatic.
Now, you can even log into the Gosuslugi portal ("state services") and schedule an appointment with a doctor. Well, in theory. In practice, it depends. Glitches.
@CowperKettle Are they made by different companies? Or is there only one that all hospitals use (if they use one at all)
But generally, I'm impressed by the progress in the state's IT system in the past 10 years.
@Mitch There's probably a unified system now, latched onto the Gosuslugi web portal system.
When I go to make a head MRI once every 2-3 years to check on my trigeminal nerve schwannoma, they have all previous MRI records of me in their storage somewhere.
Previously I had to lug a disk or even a film with me to show them, so that they could compare.
1:07 AM
In the US, ~2010, a lot of government money was put in to encourage any kind of medical provider to get an EHR system if they didn't already have one.
So pretty much every to hing has some kind of system.
Unfortunately though they're not all connected and it can be very difficult to share personal medical records between doctors if they're not at the same hospital or clinic.
The current fastest standard if two systems are not directly integrated is the fax machine. It's laughable.
1:22 AM
@Mitch EHR? Electronic Health Records?
I switched health providers a few years ago and neither records appear to be easy to reconcile. I couldn't just link x-rays and the like. They said I should fax the records. Seriously? 150-year-old technology?
@Robusto yes
@Robusto Exactly. It's awful.
Our expectations are for 2020, and we get 1980
1:41 AM
Yeah. Not even 1980. More like 1955.
Fax was revolutionary when it obsoleted the telex.
They had fax technology (wire photos) in the 19th century.
I mean widely available.
2:16 AM
They had the fax before they had the light bulb
@Mitch Funny, you never see anybody faxing in steampunk games or movies.
@Robusto Because they'd already bypassed FAX technology with vacuum tubes
@Mitch Hey, vacuum tubes are still great for guitar amps.
@jlliagre they need to put signs like that on ChatGPT: "Ask it anything! It's like a magic eight ball!"
2:22 AM
One of my favorite video games. Bioshock.
Steampunk extraordinaire.
@Robusto wait
waits patiently
What's the thing in old times radios that act like transistors?
Vacuum tubes.
Also were used in TVs.
And what's the thing that you send messages in in big canisters?
2:29 AM
Reply hazy, try again.
I gotta get a new magic eight ball
Without a doubt.
Pneumatic tubes (or capsule pipelines, also known as pneumatic tube transport or PTT) are systems that propel cylindrical containers through networks of tubes by compressed air or by partial vacuum. They are used for transporting solid objects, as opposed to conventional pipelines which transport fluids. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, pneumatic tube networks gained acceptance in offices that needed to transport small, urgent packages, such as mail, other paperwork, or money, over relatively short distances, within a building or, at most, within a city. Some installations became quite...
@jlliagre thanks! I just found that too.
It uses a vacuum to propel the canisters
Look at cars these days. Everything is computerized. When I was younger I used to tune up my cars, change the oil, the spark plugs, the points on the distributor (the distributor!), and all that. Now all that is gone.
So ... It wasn't cslled a vacuumed tube even though I suppose it could be called that and it wouldn't be wrong
2:36 AM
@Mitch For smaller values of vacuum it was, I suppose.
I think it was a bigger vacuum for the message canisters
@Robusto I think that is what the 'right to repair' movement is about, allowing people to repair the electronics and software on cars and trucks
@Mitch I think it's more about laptops and cell phones.
For example, once your battery is shot in your iPhone, what can you do except buy a new iPhone?
2:52 AM
The right to repair refers to proposed government legislation to forbid manufacturers to impose barriers that deny consumers the ability to repair and modify their own consumer products (e.g. electronic, automotive devices or farm vehicles such as tractors). Such barriers require consumers to use only the manufacturer's offered services by restricting access to tools and components, and include software barriers that hinder independent repair or modification. Right to repair may also refer to the movement of citizens putting pressure on their governments to create enabling laws. These obstacles...
 
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4:32 AM
> Ramcharitmanas: The Hindu epic poem causing a political storm in India
> But in the past few weeks, politicians on opposing sides have been arguing over whether the text is derogatory towards women as well as Dalits, who are at the bottom of India's deeply discriminatory caste system.
 
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6:20 AM
> Today at the U.N., Russia invited ex-Pink Floyd singer Roger Waters to brief the Security Council. “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was not unprovoked—I condemn the provocateurs in the strongest possible terms.”
 
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8:11 AM
@CowperKettle you're having launch at 10 a.m.? Your schedule is even more messed up than mine
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I'm preparing for my launch.
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This should trigger Mitch, if nothing else would
Michal Kosinski is a Professor at Stanford University, a computational psychologist, and a psychometrician. He studies humans in a digital environment using computational methods, AI and Big Data. He has co-authored the textbook Modern Psychometrics and published over 90 peer-reviewed papers in journals including Scientific Reports, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Psychological Science, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, and Machine Learning, that have been cited over 17,000 times according to Google Scholar.He is among the top 1% of Highly Cited Researchers according...
Not to be confused with Kaczynski
 
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12:55 PM
@CowperKettle bites tongue
 
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2:22 PM
@CowperKettle The Turing test should be called the Gullibility test.
> [GPT-3] solved 93% of ToM tasks, a performance comparable with that of nine-year-old children. These findings suggest that ToM-like ability (thus far considered to be uniquely human) may have spontaneously emerged as a byproduct of language models' improving language skills.
grabs popcorn
Instead we should reconsider the viability of the test suite.
takes a handful of popcorn
should have asked first
I realize I'm very easy to trigger if you start talking about 'herbs' and chi
I mean those work so what is there to say
Oh... those two together?
@Mitch now that's not a very good imperialist attitude
2:25 PM
Yeah that's nuts
@M.A.R. should have asked if it's buttered first
don't want to get my hands all buttery
It's not, and that was my plan all along. They're gonna latch onto your throat like
Like
Now it's my turn to wait in anticipation.
Like popcorn
Oh.
Can I have my anticipation back?
No refunds
You can give us a negative review instead
2:28 PM
I'd like to talk to the manager.
Ha!
There's your American stereotype.
Too bad, this is an anarchist system
Anarchist shmanarchist. I'll get my anticipation back if I have to wait here all day.
@Mitch have you tried out our supersized hamburgers shaped like assault rifles yet?
I have now toppled all usability of our chat trigrams by repeating the triple "my anticipation back"
@M.A.R. That sounds more like a pretzel
Or rather it would taste better if it were a pretzel shaped like a rifle.
@Mitch a performance comparable with that of nine-year-old children.
How's your spontaneous language coming along?
2:33 PM
@M.A.R. Bklirp?
Does that answer your question?
Oops I misspelled that
Blorp?
All this AI talk is schizophrenia inducing.
People who are actual experts in the field are speaking using words that sound like magical thinking. They should know better. But they seem to be using the same kinds of words as non-experts who ascribe human qualities (like intention or inference) to algorithms.
But they're not necessarily wrong. Who cares what the inner state of the machine is as long as it does the task as expected?
@Mitch Apple.
OK now I'm hungry.
2:54 PM
> Head of RT Margarita Simonyan shared her dismay about Russia's invasion of Ukraine dragging out for much longer than anyone could have anticipated. Simonyan also promotes the notion that dying young is a great way to go—and her mother agrees. twitter.com/KonstancjaKorn/status/1623688357984276482
@CowperKettle Margarita and Marjorie, the dynamic duo
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@Mitch the biggest weakness of academia IMO is this diffusion of responsibility. Somebody probably started the whole "robots can love" trend, and once it's fashionable, it's very hard to get rid of. Outsiders aren't as qualified to judge their use of these words as the guy who started it, now revered as a pioneer probably.
Thankfully, my impression is people in medicine hate each other even more than mathematicians
Except maybe in biotech. They can get a bit florid with their daydreaming too
3:13 PM
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Just under the wire.
@Mitch I'm India.
@Vikas What's that got to do with @Mitch being hungry?
Hungary *
Whoa.
Also I meant Apple Inc. Not sure Mitch got it or not.
3:34 PM
@M.A.R. I wonder what spiritual authorities in Iran think about this -- do they believe that an artificial neural net can become conscious someday?
I think Iran, just like Russia, is actively trying to create an AI of their own.
Is Iran as good as Russia in technology?
I think it must be.
Science and technology.
> In order to ensure sufficient oxygen within their burrow, prairie dogs use the Bernoulli’s principle.
Iranian Russi bhai bhai
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Started really well, but finished poorly.
Hiccup in the middle.
Alexey Beresnev runs to work and back every day, 12 km each run. e1.ru/text/gorod/2023/02/09/72042404
@Vikas He got it. He just likes to take things off into obscure corners of thought.
3:42 PM
In 2022, he took first place in a trail running championship
@CowperKettle I hope they have a shower where he works.
@Robusto Yes, they do
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I think that infrastructure should be set up to encourage people to drive (ride!) bicycles to work. There should be showers and monetary benefits for those who run/bike, because they make it easier for the healthcare system.
@CowperKettle N.B.: We ride bikes, and drive cars.
3:45 PM
The comments section starts with Run, Forrest, Run!
What is the extra character in run?
@CowperKettle Funny, I didn't get the Forrest Gump reference until you transliterated the name into the Latin alphabet.
@Vikas The final character i indicates that the verb is in the imperative mode en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperative_mood
The speaker commands/asks Forrest to run. Not commands here, asks rather.
Do you want to hear a cryptic/crossword clue?
I made it myself!
@CowperKettle Exhorts, encourages.
3:50 PM
Yes
Skateboarding, Ivy’s wintry friend is mispronounced. (5)
@CowperKettle I mean the run in English has three characters. In Russian four?
@Vikas The word in Russian is pronounced begi, not run.
@Vikas Depends on the mood, conjugation
Tell me if you want the answer @CowperKettle or other potential Parz Cryptic Clue solvers.
3:55 PM
@Robusto Oh. Makes sense.
@parz Sorry, I'm too sleepy for riddling :)
It’s…
OLLIE
@Vikas The basic form is бежать (bezhat')
@parz I have a friend named Ollie
Well, actually Оля
Skateboarding (definition), Ivy’s wintry friend (the Holly and the Ivy) is mispronounced (homonym clue.
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But everybody calls her Olli, because she likes it.
3:56 PM
Olya?
Yes, the diminutive form of Olga
Derived from Norman Helga
Like Ella?
During the Norman conquest of the Rus'
I wrote a poem to her starting with "Dear Olya, you're a master cook, your meals taste better than they look"
My favorite crossword clue is Pursue education doggedly? being obedience school.
@CowperKettle Haha
3:58 PM
@CowperKettle Google translate showed it. It didn't quite show the four character word. Could be synonym.
That’s cute.
During a hiking trip she made a horribly looking meal, but it tasted well :)
Are you Russian? Ukrainian? Belarusian?
There was a character named Olly in Game of Thrones.
I liked his name.
@parz Russian
4:00 PM
Ah.
The Geoguessr conundrum.
I'm 25% Russian, 25% Ukrainian, 25% Jew and 25% Nağaybäk
(Based on grandmas and grandpas)
I’ll assume “Nagaybak” is Azerbaijani of some form?
It's Tatar
Ah.
It's a small Tatar nationality
Nağaybäks (Nağaybäk pronounced in Tatar language [nʌɣɑɪbæk]; Tatar plural: Nağaybäklär; plural in Russian: Нагайбаки) are an indigenous Turkic people in Russia recognized as a separate people under Russian legislation. The majority of the Nağaybäks live in the Nagaybaksky and Chebarkulsky Districts of the Chelyabinsk Oblast. They speak a sub-dialect of the Tatar language's middle dialect known as the Nagaibak dialect. Russian and Tatar historians usually treat the Nağaybäks as an integral part of Volga Tatars; a minority considers Nağaybäks a separate ethnicity in their own right. In the 1989 Russian...
4:02 PM
@CowperKettle I found an image uploaded by you on Wiki:
They live not far from here, some 300 km south
@Vikas Yes, I got it somewhere on the web a long time ago
I googled Nagaybak and I saw that image.
I clicked that image only and somewhere in my mind I felt it could be you who uploaded it :D
:)
> In 1842, the Nağaybäk cossacks relocated from their former host in Nagaybak Fort eastward, to the former Orenburg Governorate. Here, they founded a chain of villages named after the battles of Napoleonic Wars, including present-day Parizh, named after the Battle of Paris in 1814, Fershampenuaz (after the Battle of Fère-Champenoise), Kassel (after engagements near Kassel in Hesse), Trebiy (after the Battle of Trebbia) in 1799, etc.
Fere-Champenoise means "fields of iron", very poetic
4:23 PM
@Vikas Oh. I suppose I did not get it then.
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@Vikas Oh. I suppose I did not get it then.
And to be honest, I still don't think I get it.
There's a lot I don't get.
Like when three people walk down the street together.
How do they do it?
Three people across takes up the whole sidewalk.
But if one always hangs back then that's sort of exclusionary.
It's been nagging me for a while.
I would be grateful for any hints.
@CowperKettle Wait, I thought Olga was just the feminine form of Oleg. What's the Norman for Oleg? Also why are Russians using Norman names? Did William the Conqueror invade Russia too?
@parz That's an excellent cryptic clue, except...
wtf is "The Holly and the Ivy"?
Is that some New Wave band?
@CowperKettle I'm looking into that... Champenoise definitely means 'field' or something related. But Fère... location names are really weird... it could easily be some Druid god, an ancient Cetlic river name, or ...
I used to have a book on the etymology of French place names which would have been perfect for answering questions like this.
I can imagine the book in my head (the contents and the spine).
And now I think it must have been one of those books I lost in the basement-flooding incident.
There was a companion etymology of French family names. Also gone.
4:43 PM
@Mitch Now you're just being contrary. Harrumph.
@Robusto There is only one possible response to that.
No, I'm not.
You just walked me right into that.
Right. Blame the victim.
@Robusto Oh, so now -I'm- the victim?
No, I'm the victim here. I think that's pretty clear.
Oh I see what you did there.
It's like iocaine powder in one of two drinks.
You switched them while I was looking away.
4:46 PM
slices another tally into the side of the monitor
Or rather feinted switching them
@Mitch You were hungry and you didn't get apple?
@Vikas As a slave to consistency, I'm waiting for just the right time to have lunch.
Hmm
Oh. Hmm. I guess that although I'm a slave I'm also a cheater. I had a snack of celery and peanut butter.
Also I don't have an apple.
4:49 PM
I feel terribly sleepy after eating dinner for around half an hour. Which I ignore.
Then I have to wait two-three hours for actual sleep time.
@Vikas What did you have for dinner?
> As PM Modi started replying to the Motion of Thanks on President's address in Rajya Sabha on Thursday, the Opposition started raising slogans of "Modi-Adani bhai-bhai."
@CowperKettle Modi didn't like the slogan 🤣
Adani is the rich businessman in news recently.
@Mitch Chapati and potato curry/dish.
And raw cucumber slices.
I came here to actually kill that brief sleep 🤣
It died.
@Vikas What's the difference between chapati and naan? Is chapati just tandoori naan but made with whole wheat flour?
Also what kind of potato curry? Aloo ghobi or aloo saag or aloo panak or just aloo in sauce.
Lunch is only minutes away for me.
I have to plan accordingly.
@Mitch Chapati is usually the one cooked on gas stove or traditional Indian chulha. You need the Tawa for it which you place on flame and chapati on it to cook it.
It's whole wheat flour.
Naan is different.
Oh, kind of right on a skillet (the tawa?)
But it's flat and round like naan, right?
5:00 PM
I don't exactly know ingredients of naan, but it's no whole wheat flour I think. The flour seems more white just like naan seems more white.
@Mitch Yes.
@Mitch Yeah I think skillet is the word.
But they taste different because of the different flour I suppose.
Naan is fairly common in the US... common in the sense that many people have heard of it and they sell it in big grocery stores. But probably only ever eaten by 1% of anybody.
Whereas chapati is much less common, only available in a specialty Indian store.
> Maida is a white flour from the Indian subcontinent, made from wheat.
I mean naan is not -very- common.
5:04 PM
@Mitch this is the ingredient of naan.
@Mitch I think so. A chat user from Denmark once told me "Now I'm going to eat a naan".
@Vikas and for chapati (sure, I could look all this up on wiki but that's so unreliable)
It's common at many places.
@Mitch Whole wheat flour.
I just wasn't sure about exact word for naan. Now I'm sure we call it Maida.
> Finely milled without any bran, refined, and bleached, it closely resembles cake flour
That is why it isn't considered as healthy as whole wheat flour.
I wouldn't eat it daily.
in the US there's just 'bread' made with 'flour' and if whole wheat flour is used, then you say 'whole wheat bread'. no special word for it.
While chapati is our main food. The other is rice.
Bread is bread and bread made with anything other than white flour is called 'something something bread'
5:07 PM
@Mitch We also have many categories of bread. Including whole wheat bread.
@Vikas Uh oh.
looks for whole wheat bread
Unfortunately I can't find bread here in my town which has good amount of whole wheat flour.
When I was a kid, my mom started to get whole wheat bread instead of regular bread, because it was supposed to be healthier (and I'm sure it is). But it never tasted -good- like bread made with white flour.
The bread available here has only 32% wheat flour.
There are many other bread brands where this content is more. I can't find it in my town.
@Mitch Similar thoughts here.
Some prefer white bread which has less whole wheat.
@Mitch I've tried both. But I don't prefer white bread now.
Irrespective of the taste.
I would make my own bread at home if the process wasn't long enough.
@Vikas 'Improver' is tantalizingly vague
5:28 PM
@Mitch I don't even know what it is.
 
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6:39 PM
It appears casualties could be even more in Turkey Syria.
@Mitch the christmas song
”oh the holly and the ivy when they are both full grown…”
7:34 PM
@Mitch they probably mean starter, right? As in sourdough
@parz oh. hmm. Is that a new song?
Oh. Not at all. "Traditional Christmas Song".
Some things just don't cross the Atlantic..
I have never heard of that song in my life.
Maybe I have.
Nope.
Never heard it.
But, to be fair, I've heard the Mariah Carey xmas song, but if you told me the title of the song and asked me to hum the tune or give some lyrics to it, nothing would register.
I heard someone one on the radio say coming up is the most famous xmas song -ever-, and then this song I didn't recognize with this melody that I didn't recognize and couldn't remember, sung by a woman I didn't recognize came on. And when it was over they said "That was Mariah Carey's most famous xmas song ever!" and I had no recollection of ever having heard it before.
Maybe I should get out more.
@M.A.R. That sounds like might be it, but googling says:
A dough conditioner, flour treatment agent, improving agent or bread improver is any ingredient or chemical added to bread dough to strengthen its texture or otherwise improve it in some way. Dough conditioners may include enzymes, yeast nutrients, mineral salts, oxidants and reductants, bleaching agents and emulsifiers. They are food additives combined with flour to improve baking functionality. Flour treatment agents are used to increase the speed of dough rising and to improve the strength and workability of the dough. While they are an important component of modern factory baking, some small...
But that is also a term I've never heard of before.
I think 'bread improver' is what they use in India (and maybe UK/Aus/NZ?) based on the links that come up.
And I'm guessing 'dough conditioner' is the US word? Again, both these terms are unknown to me.
Not that I read the ingredient list on bread.
Well, actually.
Yes, I admit I do read the ingredient list. On everything. Including bread (if it comes with a package or wrapper).
But while my eyes may well have received images of those words before, they've never really registered.
Kind of like Mariah Carey's xmas song?
or maybe I had a ministroke that wiped away my knowledge of those two particular things...
and also the way to right decimals between 0 and 1. (I've learned lately that you're supposed to use a '0.' in front eg '0.03')
And the second president of the US. It's either Jefferson or Adams, I can't remember which.
But that's it. I know everything else.
Everything
8:17 PM
> A few weeks ago, I asked readers of our Book Club newsletter to describe the things that most annoy them in books. The responses were a tsunami of bile
No one mentioned 'overwrought metaphors'
a boatload of scum
a armful of offal
a plethora of poop
Complaining about author's poor choices is like:
blowing in a violin
pissing in the wind
pissing in a violin
If that link is behind a paywall for you, try maybe 12ft.io ?
To be honest, it's never worked for me.
A sad case.
 
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@jlliagre Pfft, how'd you struggle with that one?
10:06 PM
@Robusto Well, knowing a country name doesn't imply knowing its shape. That one isn't very remarkable. I am also often fooled with what seems to be a coastline and what doesn't.
@jlliagre Coastlines are often smoother than river borders.
Rivers have alluvial banks, and cut them, making them loopy.
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@Xanne Ohh.
I vacillate between two countries.
Which one is it? I don't remember their exact shapes and they're next to each other.
@Mitch Fère precise etymology is uncertain but very unlikely to be related to iron. The town was inhabited by merovingians around the 5th and 6th centuries. Its first names were supposedly fara and later feria then Feriae Campaniensis 1131, Féria Campanica in 1542. Some sources say it cognates with the German Fahr and the English "fare" and used to name Franks colonies. There are a few other fère in North-Eastern France. Champenoise means belonging to the Champagne region.
OK I think the bigger one has a more regular shape.
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