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12:10 AM
@Laurel @Araucaria-Him @Lambie So I assume we're putting together an announcement? I could help if desired.
Here's a bio he wrote of himself, though it's from 2012: public.websites.umich.edu/~jlawler/bio.pdf
 
Let this be a salute to Prof. Lawler, since this is his last answer on this site. May we be so fortunate as to have again another contributor so knowledgeable as he. — Robusto 24 secs ago
 
1:17 AM
> He retired from the military in 1775 and worked as a writer of plays, verse, light music and pornographic novels, while also serving as a secret agent of the French government across Europe.
OnlyFans celebs were so talented in the 18th century.
@Araucaria-Him I am very sorry! I did not notice this message at first.
 
1:43 AM
> Member for 12 years
Last seen Nov 19 at 20:46

Visited 4231 days, 1 consecutive
 
2:13 AM
My Irish farmer relatives in DeKalb County, IL used the term side-meat to mean bacon; a typical farm breakfast often involved side meat and (cornmeal) mush, both fried. They were two generations older than me and I was born in 1942. It can be safely referred to as a rural N. American term from the Northern or Midlands regions (DeKalb Co. lies spang on the isogloss bundle between the two regions). — John Lawler Jan 24, 2015 at 0:57
 
@tchrist I'm tempted to unilaterally reopen that question
Maybe it would be better as a "in what regions is it used today" question tho
 
And Greg Lee was born that same year. WS2 only two years later.
@Laurel Do.
 
This isn't really related to anything but it's bothering me. There's this ad where it sounds like a woman is saying "kicks" and "vinnies" but she actually means cakes and venues. It took me several weeks to figure out what the latter one was supposed to be. And I still don't know all the words in the ad. I'm missing "vinnies for your grit" or something
 
Haven't heard it, but I can imagine such an accent existing.
 
2:53 AM
Do you have a link to the ad?
@tchrist WS2?
 
The sequel to WS
 
@tchrist Ah.
It's always interesting to remember that someone who is 80 was alive during events that now seem like things you only hear about in history classes.
> 119,550 of the 16.1 million Americans who served in World War II are alive as of 2023.
Whoa.
 
@alphabet It's on the Spotify app so I don't know how to link to it. I can't even play it on demand; it just shows up every few ad breaks to remind me that I'm single :p (as it's for a website where you can find vendors for your wedding)
 
@alphabet Speak for yourself.
 
3:06 AM
At least they don't have screaming kids in the ad. I really hate that
 
@Laurel Those are birth-control ads.
 
@alphabet For me, I'm always surprised when I hear about people who lived through segregation, but there's actually a lot of people still alive like that, even people who would have been adults at the time…
 
I'm pretty sure Sven Yargs is also long ago retired.
 
@tchrist I think so too. He seems to have so much time on his hands lol
 
@Laurel For those who have the least spend the most.
 
3:09 AM
@Laurel I sympathize (despite the fact that, if I were in a relationship, I wouldn't want to get married).
@Laurel There are people still living through it now. Look at the boundaries of your local school districts.
 
Crap, most of the Spotify ads seem to assume I'm in some sort of relationship. I just got to hear the "as a new parent…" blah blah blah 55 more seconds about diseases that I can never remember to skip
 
And (ideally) someday I too will be old. I plan to become bitter and resentful.
@Laurel Indeed.
 
We've just lost Norman Lear.
 
@alphabet I worked at a school that was 90% African American (in a white flight area). Maybe I can say I lived through it too :(
@alphabet Many people start early, like at the same time all the people who have their shit together start planning for retirement
(I do not have my shit together)
 
@Laurel All the kids these days, ticking their tocks
I remember the good old days, when computers were more difficult to use.
I remember back when "Tik Tok" was a Ke$ha song.
I remember when, if you had mental health issues, you shut up and didn't tell anybody. Now the kids are all convinced they have autism for some reason. At least according to panicked news articles.
 
3:25 AM
Hmmm, there is one ad for becoming a pilot. That's cool
@alphabet I think I might be too young then :p
 
@Laurel I think it changed for women long before it did for men, to be honest.
I only found out about this recently. It's hilarious in retrospect.
 
@alphabet That's not what I'm referring to :p
Arguably diagnosing all the women (or rather girls) with autism happened later than for men (/boys)
Lol
 
@alphabet The eternal sunshine of the spotless mind requires nothing less than periodic lobotomies to hide from oneself the heart's suppurating wounds.
 
3:42 AM
@tchrist Fresh Boston Butts XD @alphabet
 
> A Boston butt is the slightly wedge-shaped portion of the pigs butt above the standard picnic cut which includes the blade bone and the "lean butt" (which is boneless), both extensions of the loin cut and can be used in place of the loin
That does not sound appetizing.
> The Boston butt gets its name simply from the fact that it is the wider end of the front shoulder. Butt is old English for “wide end” like the butt of a gun
 
For the price they're selling it, I'd buy it
 
@tchrist Speaking from experience?
 
There's no meat cheaper than $1.25/lb nowadays, except turkey at thanksgiving which would have cost like $25 because they're huge
 
@Laurel Why, when for the same price you could get some delicious liver pudding? /s
Wait, they used to sell hot dogs by the pound?
 
3:50 AM
@alphabet It's enough to put you off meat for a lifetime, except perhaps on a limited catch and release basis.
But you can smoke it.
 
@tchrist You can smoke a lot of things. Maybe some of them will make you hungry enough to eat liver.
 
@alphabet Braunschweiger.
 
On an unrelated note: raccoons can purr
@tchrist Seasoned with lead paint, like in the good old days.
 
@alphabet You did not know this?
 
@tchrist I feared the thread may not have been informed. Such misconceptions feed prejudice.
 
4:00 AM
@alphabet I don't understand. This isn't something vicarious you read about. It's something that anybody who's lived with them around simply knows from actual experience. You hear it constantly.
 
Wow are vicarious and vicar and vice all really etymologically related?
 
4:13 AM
@tchrist As a raccoon, I of course know this from personal experience, but I fear some who do not live with them may not be aware of this important fact.
 
Nature deficit disorder.
 
Granted, while the suburbs around here have plenty of raccoons, in the city they are rare.
 
You hear them circling your tent at night.
 
Not that we lack trash-dwelling wildlife. We have plenty of rats.
They are mean.
 
Or outside your open bedroom window.
They're always chattering.
Try living somewhere that's not dead.
Then you learn life.
 
4:18 AM
> "Withal a meagre man was Aaron Stark,
Cursed and unkempt, shrewd, shrivelled, and morose.
A miser was he, with a miser's nose,
And eyes like little dollars in the dark."
 
Same with foxes.
 
Where I am, most of the wildlife stays away from people, which is how it should be
 
> Gemini Ultra AI has scored 90 per cent on the industry-standard MMLU benchmark, where an “expert level” human is expected to achieve 89.8 per cent. This is the first time an AI has beaten humans at the test, and is the highest score for any existing model. The test involves a broad range of tricky questions on topics including logical fallacies, moral problems in everyday scenarios, medical issues, economics and geography.
 
They all talk. To each other. Ariund you doing their thing. To you, if you're lucky. Sometimes if you're unlucky.
 
@tchrist We may not have many raccoons, but we do have annual furry conventions, which more or less compensates. /s
 
4:21 AM
> Earth does not understand her child,
Who from the loud gregarious town
Returns, depleted and defiled,
To the still woods, to fling him down.
 
Learn now the lore of living creatures
 
> If you would keep your soul
From spotted sight or sound,
Live like the velvet mole:
Go burrow underground.
 
@tchrist You are settler-colonists on their territory.
 
> And there hold intercourse
With roots of trees and stones,
With rivers at their source,
And disembodied bones.
 
The internet has ruined the word "lore" for me, I think
 
4:25 AM
> A boy raised by the internet was scared when he ventured outside and saw a clothed woman.
 
4:49 AM
Norman Milton Lear (July 27, 1922 – December 5, 2023) was an American screenwriter and producer who produced, wrote, created or developed over 100 shows. Lear created and produced numerous popular 1970s sitcoms, including All in the Family (1971–1979), Maude (1972–1978), Sanford and Son (1972–1977), One Day at a Time (1975–1984), The Jeffersons (1975–1985), and Good Times (1974–1979). His shows introduced political and social themes to the sitcom. Lear received many awards, including six Primetime Emmy Awards, two Peabody Awards, the National Medal of Arts in 1999, the Kennedy Center Honors in...
 
5:10 AM
> "Today it is impossible to go through life without falling into the maw of the computer", from a Walter Cronkite documentary "Computer Revolution", 1967 youtu.be/Iz_L47OKjJg?si=0Arm3kdLKCx02gSe
 
Luckily, they have cute little snouts nowadays.
 
5:57 AM
At the outskirts of Yekaterinburg this morning.
Now it's much warmer in the center of the city, minus 29°C
 
Impressive.
 
 
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7:05 AM
@Cerberus But inside it's quite warm
 
 
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8:19 AM
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8:43 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (62): Can a canal carry coal?‭ by Susana Matthew‭ on english.SE
 
 
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10:29 AM
I went out for some shopping, nearly froze my toes and fingers off.
 
 
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12:35 PM
Funnily it recounts a story in which children upon moving into an apartment block used to spend hours in the bathroom since it was amazing to have a nice bathroom with running water instead of a washing in a wash-basin
Just the exact story as my mother told me. It seemed like a miracle to have running water available at the turn of the tap.
 
1:16 PM
@alphabet No need to be hungry to eat liver!
 
1:37 PM
Word of the day: inghjinuchjata (kneeling)
> Curunata di boschi,
Bagnata da lu mare,
À i pedi d'un altare
Inghjinuchjata.
 
1:59 PM
@tchrist And Benjamin Zepheniah, poet, writer, activist for political justice and vegetarian. People's choice for Poet Laureate. Refuser of his OBE. And friend and mentor of my two flatmates both performance poets and political activists. He survived the longest. Wiki: Benjamin Zepheniah
 
@jlliagre I humbly and honorably disagree
@CowperKettle I'm having trouble getting the rhyme to work out
 
@CowperKettle Corsican!
Foie gras (French for 'fat liver'); French: [fwa ɡʁɑ], English: ) is a specialty food product made of the liver of a duck or goose. According to French law, foie gras is defined as the liver of a duck or goose fattened by gavage (force feeding). Foie gras is a popular and well-known delicacy in French cuisine. Its flavour is rich, buttery, and delicate, unlike an ordinary duck or goose liver. Foie gras is sold whole or is prepared as mousse, parfait, or pâté, and may also be served as an accompaniment to another food item, such as steak. French law states, "Foie gras belongs to the protect...
 
@jlliagre putting lipstick on a pig
I apologize to pigs for the implication
 
Benjamin Zepheniah, Talking Turkeys, 1994
 
2:53 PM
@jlliagre I'm re-listening Blood and Power: The Rise and Fall of Italian Fascism, and the author mentions some Italian words, and I'm trying to google them up, and fail, but come across some interesting stuff instead, like this poem
The book mentioned imbuscati (?) as people who were kind of partisans, but it's probably the wrong spelling, since I'm reproducing it by ear.
 
3:09 PM
@tchrist Did you look behind the refrigerator?
j/k
@CowperKettle Try imboscati ... "the ambushed [ones]"
 
embusqué
 
> Di chi, spec. in tempo di guerra, elude la legge relativa agli obblighi militari, o riesce a evitare di essere mandato al fronte o in prima linea.
> Whose, spec. in times of war, evades the law relating to military obligations, or manages to avoid being sent to the front or front line.
Weird translation of its own definition.
cf. "draft dodger" perhaps?
 
Here, it's 'hidden'.
 
Whee!
Get on the translation carousel! It's fun! It's easy!
Eventually you wind up miles leagues from home.
Hmm, now I wonder if league and leg are related somehow. Or is my brain prompting me to create yet another folk etymology?
league itinerary unit in medieval England, distance of about three statute miles, late 14c., ultimately from Late Latin leuga (source also of French lieue, Spanish legua, Italian lega), which is said by Roman writers to be from Gaulish. A vague measure (perhaps originally an hour's hike), in England it was a conventional, not a legal measure, and in English it is found more often in poetic than in practical writing.
Etymonline.
"Etymonline" sounds like what you did to snacks when you were in front of the computer.
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Well, perhaps imboscati means something like "the disappeared [ones]"?
The Disappeared are people believed to have been abducted, murdered and secretly buried in Northern Ireland, the large majority of which occurred during the Troubles. The Independent Commission for the Location of Victims' Remains (ICLVR) is in charge of locating the remaining bodies, and was led by forensic archaeologist John McIlwaine. == Background == Of the sixteen people investigated by the ICLVR, all were Irish Catholics (Jean McConville was a convert), all except Jean McConville were male, and all are believed to have been abducted and killed by Irish Republicans.The Provisional IRA admitted...
That applies as well to Chile under Pinochet after Allende was assassinated.
 
4:17 PM
@Robusto Ah! Thanks!
Japanese alphabet learning song, from a cartoon from April 1945.
 
@CowperKettle In the Corsican (not Italian, although close) poem you quote, the Vittuli imbuscati are 'hidden traitors, snipers'.
> Daretu à le to spalle,
I Vittuli imbuscati
Si sò sempre piattati
À fà ti focu.
 
Behind your back, traitors, snipers are always ready to shoot at you.
 
Pronunciation isn't really my wheelhouse but this looks like an excellent answer from a new user:
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A: Are əʊ and oʊ the same?

FarranIn my native British English accent, from the south of the UK in Southampton, /oʊ/ [ow] and /əʊ/ [əw] are distinct diphthongs. They may not serve in phonemic contrast (i.e. there are no minimal pairs of these diphthongs), but they definitely both exist in our phonemary. (Note that there is quite ...

 
4:55 PM
@CowperKettle Vittuli (lit. the Vittolos) comes from the surname Vittolo, the man who ambushed and decapitated Sampiero Corso. It is used in a pejorative way to refer to Corsicans who betray their homeland by fighting with the enemy (France).
 
5:16 PM
Aargh, @Laurel it's an all over the place answer!!! There isn't a phonemic contrast, but there should be?*! Why are they in slanty bracket if they represent the same phoneme? He then goes on to say that it isn't [o] in the first segment it's [ɔ]. These are mutually exclusive; they represent sounds not phonemes. It's not possible for [o] to be [ɔ]. You can't be in two different places at the same time! Awfully confused. And the stuff about RP is plainly not true :(
 
5:32 PM
@Laurel Although he's essentially correct that the [ɔʊ] or [ɔw] is an allophone of GOAT before dark l. So you'll find it in Pole, but not in Poland, for example. (Because the /l/ in Poland is light, being as it is in the onset of the second syllable as opposed to in the coda of the first.
 
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5:53 PM
@Araucaria-Him That answer is annoying because it (a) sounds confident and detailed and (b) is about 70% accurate, but (c) is missing some crucial points. I already left a couple comments on it with some of the same concerns.
 
@Laurel In BrE, that is.
@alphabet Yes, exactly. Thing is it's worse when it's well written especially if it's a new user because you don't want to put them off. On the other hand, incorrect content is really what downvoting needs to be used for most. Difficult. Didn't downvote on this occasion (and don't very often anyway)), but let's see if our comments lead to any edits! (Although new in terms of posting, OP's been a member for some time). Ciao!
 
6:44 PM
@Araucaria-Him I didn't vote either way, simply because I'm that bad at phonetics lol. But I can at least get appreciate the amount of research that they showed (eg with adding links to videos). Hopefully they can work through the issues you identified
 
7:01 PM
@Araucaria-Him I was about to say: when you mention "the difference between the /l/ in Pole and the /l/ in Poland," you're going to leave some American readers quite confused!
Anyway I voted to close it as a duplicate because I think the answers to that other question also cover the one asked. Now that I think about it I'm not entirely sure, though.
Reopened.
Obnoxiously, a reasonably correct answer was the one Janus Bahs Jacquet left...as a comment.
 
Okay, trick question. When you see a number having a radix subscript, what radix is used in the subscript?
How do you know, for example, that 10₁₀ means ten, not two?
 
Oh I assumed it meant 2.
 
7:16 PM
@MetaEd You'd need a second radix subscript if you wanted it to mean 2, possibly more
 
@MetaEd goddamit you just made radix subscripting Turing complete
 
@tchrist you have an opinion on this
 
7:55 PM
@jlliagre only a ChatGPT will be able to remember all these cultural details..
 
@CowperKettle It's not really an alphabet. It's a syllabary, and its name (gojūon) just means "fifty sounds" (although there are not exactly 50).
 
Ah!
The wife of the neighbor just below me is definitely out of town.
 
Do you mean she is "out of town"?
 
It's 1:00 am, and I can discern some words from the TV program he is listening to.
@Robusto Yes
 
No article needed (or wanted) then.
 
8:01 PM
Each time she leaves, he relaxes and switches off his hearing aid, so that his neighbors can partake in some Putin-TV
 
How fortunate for you.
 
8:12 PM
That story sounded like it was going in another direction.
When I visit my brother's family it's easy to tell if he's in the house are not because he immediately turns on Fox News at a huge decibel level whenever he's home.
So...not too unsimilar.
 
8:26 PM
@CowperKettle I apologize for any confusion that my previous postings may have caused. It's understandable that excessive cultural details can be bothersome. ;-)
 
@jlliagre I find those interesting. Keep 'em coming!
 
^
+1
 
8:48 PM
or, if you prefer +0.999...
 
9:04 PM
@user85795 rage-deletes account
 
9:44 PM
@CowperKettle BTW, Momotarō is a famous Japanese character featured in fairy tales. His name literally means "Peach Boy" ... go figure.
 
Peaches are usually reserved for girls.
In the West, atleast.
 
10:16 PM
@user85795 I refute it thus:
James and the Giant Peach is a popular children's novel written in 1961 by British author Roald Dahl. The first edition, published by Alfred Knopf, featured illustrations by Nancy Ekholm Burkert. There have been re-illustrated versions of it over the years, done by Michael Simeon (for the first British edition), Emma Chichester Clark, Lane Smith and Quentin Blake. It was adapted into a film of the same name in 1996 (with Smith being a conceptual designer) which was directed by Henry Selick, and a musical in 2010. The plot centres on a young English orphan boy who enters a gigantic, magical peach...
 
10:51 PM
@Robusto the exception proves the rule
 
@Laurel I find it hard to believe that so few said anything about JL's death. Off the races, again, are we? (present company excluded) Frankly, it pisses me off. Did you decide not to mention it on Meta?
 
@Lambie It's funny you ping me now when I'm literally writing it. I think that posting it to meta will get it a lot of attention
 
@Laurel Great Laurel, I was just shocked here, though. You know what I mean? :)
 
11:42 PM
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Q: Thank you, Professor Lawler and Rest in Peace!

LaurelI am saddened to announce the passing of John Lawler on Saturday November 25. Many of us here were friends with him, and countless more helped by his answers. For those of you who aren't familiar with him, a short biography: In 2009, John retired from the Linguistics Department at the University ...

LMK if I should make any edits. I gtg
 

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