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12:50 AM
I insist English to import this Korean idiom: "I'm buying eyes having not seen this."
1:03 AM
I came across a video with a woman who has had schizophrenia since childhood. What is amazing, she is lean. I would expect a patient to have excess weight because of the drugs.
@DannyuNDos Sure, if you'll explain it to us and then fill out all the requisite forms and pay all import fees and tariffs. The English language is kinda full, you understand.
1:19 AM
No need to explain it; it's quite literal.
It just means one has just seen something terrible.
Word of the morn: brisket
Finally I've memorized this word, thanks to Mark Zuckerberg and his famous song, Smoking These Meats
@DannyuNDos Then a better way to say that in English would be "I need new eyes that haven't seen this."
That's cool.
"I need a two-pan balance to measure out the amount in platinum for a new eye that hasn't seen this"
Regarding literal translations, this reminds me of a Korean person having visited American Baskin Robbins.
1:31 AM
We have a sort-of saying, more of a lament, "I can't unsee that" (also: "I wish I could unsee that").
They gave a literal translation of an ice cream flavor in South Korean Baskin Robbins and asked for "My Mom Is An Alien".
I saw a picture of a Japanese roller-coaster ride, which had a warning in Japanese and underneath the (supposed) English translation: "You will be brandished and inverted!" Ah, Japlish and Engrish, what would we do without you?
And the response was, "Really? That's cool."
@Robusto I suppose they meant "Watch out for the loop"?
My fave flavor in the local Baskin Robbins is "Wharton's jelly with peanuts"
@DannyuNDos The Japanese, if I recall, said something like "You will be held securely when upside down."
1:37 AM
Believe me, Konglish is worse than Japlish.
You'll throw up by reading this.
@DannyuNDos ^_^
Japlish will give it plenty of competition.
2:05 AM
Yesterday I ran 5 km. But today I'm hiding from exercise, as part of the fitness protection program.
@DannyuNDos Mmm, membership fees.
2:55 AM
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4:17 AM
> A study conducted among university students has revealed that individuals exhibiting pronounced narcissistic traits are more likely to experience elevated levels of nomophobia
Noun: nomophobia (uncountable)
  1. A fear of or disdain for laws.
  2. For more quotations using this term, see Citations:nomophobia.
  3. nomophobia (uncountable)
  4. (colloquial) The fear of not having a functioning mobile phone.
4:48 AM
> Internal budding or endodyogeny is a process of asexual reproduction, favored by parasites such as Toxoplasma gondii. It involves an unusual process in which two daughter cells are produced inside a mother cell, which is then consumed by the offspring prior to their separation. — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budding
5:00 AM
Priests of the Russian Orthodox Church in Tokyo, 1882.
@DannyuNDos You could use the (fairly new) slang term: "I need brain bleach."
Ngram suggests that term came into existence in the early 2000s and has been increasing exponentially in frequency ever since.
5:14 AM
Hm, still seeing people close questions that can't be answered by a dictionary with that close reason:
Q: "To rejoice" as a transitive verb

DunsanistFrom the fourth sentence of the Edgar Allan Poe story 'The Oblong Box': "…and among other names, I was rejoiced to see that of Mr Cornelius Wyatt…" 'Rejoiced' here is being used as a transitive verb, in a passive construction. The obvious parallel is with '…I was delighted to see…' which is the...

5:41 AM
Live fast eat trash
@Laurel Probably because the text of the close reason hasn't changed. Have you been able to annoy the right people at SE into fixing it?
@alphabet Uh, I think it's actually me holding that up. I guess I should make the changes specified in the comments to the new resources meta question (unless someone else wants to help???) and then go from there (I think we can use Cat's wording with minor tweaks, like maybe not suggest everyone flag lol). Since we were told CMs won't change the existing reason, I would be able to suggest the new close reason myself and with one more mod get it approved
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7:51 AM
85 yo table tennis coach in Yekaterinburg sentenced to 2 years of jail, despite lack of any evidence e1.ru/text/criminal/2023/11/29/72959132
The court system is like a mindless machine that devours people even when the judges and everyone around knows the person to be innocent.
The court system distributes punishments, they say, to judges and police officers, if an accusation is overturned, and this drives the "efficiency" (the rates of successful accusations) to above 99%, which is technically impossible.
@DannyuNDos I'd like some good blood rice thank you
@CowperKettle Iranians don't look like that dammit. Not most of them anyway.
8:28 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-latin answer, non-latin link in answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (127): Etymology of 'Priscilla' to refer to a type of curtain‭ by Diyana‭ on english.SE
9:20 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (63): Dangling or Misplaced Modifiers: the use of adverbs ✏️‭ by Tracy David‭ on english.SE
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12:52 PM
Him everybody. Does this sentence sound fineto you as native speakers?

When stocks are selling off and investors run for shelter to bonds or gold, the environment is said to be risk-off.
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1:52 PM
First of the day: 1 March 1945 - first vertical ground launch of a human on a rocket.
The Bachem Ba 349 Natter (English: Colubrid, grass-snake) was a World War II German point-defence rocket-powered interceptor, which was to be used in a very similar way to a manned surface-to-air missile. After a vertical take-off, which eliminated the need for airfields, most of the flight to the Allied bombers was to be controlled by an autopilot. The primary role of the relatively untrained pilot was to aim the aircraft at its target bomber and fire its armament of rockets. The pilot and the fuselage containing the rocket engine would then land using separate parachutes, while the nose section...
@MichaelRybkin Nice, a new expression to memorize. Risk-off environment.
2:07 PM
The average temp for November is minus 5.4 C, but this year the value will be minus 2 C.
3:13 PM
@CowperKettle I couldn't agree more.
3:58 PM
@Robusto How then to stop the development of AI?
You can't. But if we're clever, we can reign in its most pernicious effects.
I can't reign in Putin's pernicious aspects, and an advanced supercomputer running a neural net would be as well protected from intrusion as Putin, of not stronger.
Well, but still that's not AI you're unable to reign in, but a human being with power.
4:21 PM
Once you've been bitten by power, the poison stays in your blood for life.
@CowperKettle This all still sounds like Socrates complaining about the pernicious use of writing and books and how they are ruining the youth of today because they won't use their memory anymore.
@Mitch Did Socrates complain about that? How do you know?
The problem is not that one -could- use these 'word generators', 'synthetic text machines' 'stochastic parrots' to produce text that is used as art, but that it is not very good.
@Robusto I was there when he said it. How dare you impugn my reliability.
@Mitch It will fool fools.
@Mitch I see. You must be Plato then.
@Robusto Sure, and the engineers will get better at fooling people, even those who are not fools. Or we'll all get used to it and not care.
Then being a good artist might be hampered.
Or not.
4:27 PM
He's a foot note to Plato.
Since analogies seem to work at convincing people, consider running fast.
We have cars that go superhuman speeds.
But we still value athletes that can run fast.
Here's somethign that I don't see people saying (I'd like to know of them if I missed it)... The people who are creating these 'synthetic text generators' and the lifestyle and skills that lead them down the path to this kind of engineering is strongly in favor of STEM skills... to the great detriment to their artistic skills. That is, they know how to build a car but not where to drive it.
And the artists have places to go but don't know how to build a car (or how to drive it).
@user85795 Plato just uses Socrates's name to say the things he wants. There're other independent (but Greek) sources describing Socrates, but not really saying what his philosophies really are beyond he was just another sophist.
(or rather that's my take on the situation)
@Robusto How does anybody know anything? I read that somewhere.
@Mitch Sounds like great advice for EL&U contributors.
Meanwhile, Psychology is a footnote to William James.
@Robusto "For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them."
Ironic because it's using writing to encode memory
4:40 PM
Also ironic because it comes from the internet which is notorious for its lack of reliability.
@Robusto If it's already written somewhere, then it's a LMGTFY.
Spoon feeding really does teach the learner nothing but the shape of the spoon 🥄
@Mitch That's what it amounts to—here, anyway. Only in its sharper, more refined form, it's more of a LMLTUIOED here.
@Robusto I'm not totally against LMGTFY (especially if it involves the obscurer parts of OED)... meaning that somethings bear repeating and some things are harder to look up via google.
Also some things that are knowledge aren't on the internet maybe in textbooks, but also could be in common knowledge that just isn't written down (this is common in math where there are folk theorems that are just never really written but everyone knows them. (unlike folk etymologies, a folk theorem is an actual theorem, ie true).
@Mitch So that brings up a larger question: What, exactly, does an SE site offer? To the public, I mean (the owners are—or ought to be—well aware of that value). Is it the consensus of the illiterati? The heady feel of the "numbers" game?
5:10 PM
illiterati? Most people who answer here aren't total incompetents. But the people who actually know the answer are usually busy elsewhere. So not really the wisdom of crowds or idiocy of crowds.
But yes fulfills a psychological need (in different ways) for questioners and answerers.
For answerers, the gamification is probably a lot of it, but also the 'uhh actually' nerd compulsion.
5:31 PM
@Mitch I mean that the vast majority of "flood" voters (usually thanks to the multi-collider, a/k/a HNQ) are not what you'd call cognoscenti.
That's usually true of the question posers as well. There is usually a disconnect between asker and answerer, since the answerer is supposedly knowledgeable on the subject, while the asker is not. So how is it that the asker can choose the "correct" answer? Easier on SO, of course, where something either solves a problem or doesn't, but here it can be almost a whim.
Daily Octordle #674
Score: 63
5:53 PM
@Mitch Since you were the one who originally suggested adding Etymonline to my short list of resources, how can I word it in such a way that a question like this stays open? english.stackexchange.com/q/615269/191178 The answer goes into a lot of detail, which is great, while Etymonline answers it very superficially
6:39 PM
@Laurel Did you vet all the detail? It seems to me Greybeard's answer makes a lot of assumptions about the various meanings of phenomenon and phenomenal there.
For example, his OED citation "1839 ‘This, Sir,’ said Mr. Vincent Crummles, bringing the maiden forward, ‘this is the infant phenomenon—Miss Ninetta Crummles.’ C. Dickens, Nicholas Nickleby xxiii. 217" can be interpreted either way, and easily.
This is not Greybeard's fault, he's done his homework by the standards of EL&U, but the real question, as jws29 notes in a comment, has gone begging.
When you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail, and when you only have an OED (and its like), everything looks like a citation. About the only one who really plumbs these depths to the fullest is Sven Yargs, and even he fails at it now and then.
I don't mean to demean other fine answerers of the site, but for etymology questions Sven is still top dog.
@Robusto Nah I skimmed. But the point of me bringing it up was the sheer difference in level of detail between Etymonline and the answer. If you need another example, Etymonline explains this english.stackexchange.com/q/615248/191178 as folk etymology too but it doesn't give the level of detail that I do. I don't believe there's a source other than my answer that explains why ultra specifically was lost in words like that
It feels like a shocking idea considering the site culture here, but what if we just didn't close poorly researched etymology questions? Other than rubbing people the wrong way again due to site culture, I can't help but think there are few real dangers and the upside is that it means people like Sven can post an answer to whatever etymology question they want with no hassle
(No, people getting free rep for quoting a dictionary/Etymonline isn't a real danger by the way.)
7:00 PM
@Laurel I'm not sure what "hassle" that "people like Sven" (who is, at least on this site, something like sui generis) are currently facing. Can you elaborate?
@M.A.R. I always order my rice medium-rare.
I didn't know raccoons were that fussy.
Back in my day, we went outside on trash day. Now all the kids just sit inside playing "Trash Day Simulator."
Horrific example of discrimination in the healthcare system.
Apparently raccoons have taken over Toronto.
It's a better city now.
7:26 PM
Hi, everybody. Does this sentence sound fine to you as native speakers?

When stocks are selling off and investors run for shelter to bonds or gold, the environment is said to be risk-off.
7:49 PM
@MichaelRybkin Sounds OK. I've never heard "risk-off" anywhere, but I'm not a securities professional.
@Robusto The hassle is seeing a question you can give a good answer to and having to get it reopened first
@Laurel Ah, OK. How does acceptance of Etymonline solve that problem?
@Mitch I've been saying it all the time! Subscribe for more
@MichaelRybkin sounds good, but I'm a pineapple
8:07 PM
@Robusto Thank you.
@M.A.R. Thank you too. But what do you mean you're a pineapple?
@Laurel Oh, I see. You mean it as evidence that the question asker has done enough homework.
@MichaelRybkin bit of a running joke
Aug 19 at 1:22, by Robusto
Non-native speaker -> NNS -> Ananas -> pineapple
Nov 11 at 3:22, by alphabet
Feb 7, 2022 at 21:35, by Robusto
Jun 18 '11 at 21:35, by Robusto
Non-native speakers => NNS => ennenness [sounds like] => ananas [funny French association] => pineapple
8:10 PM
@M.A.R. Good job. The older citation wins.
I'm just trying to help your h-index
What is my h-index and how does that help it?
Academicians that sound like wall street suits talk about it a lot. If a researcher has an h-index of 20, they have 20 published articles that have at least 20 citations.
Or something like that.
@M.A.R. EL&U Chat has to be the weakest form of scholarship, I would suppose.
8:41 PM
The amphetamines aren't enough today. Time to try healing crystals.
@alphabet It's not a good idea to mix amphetamine salts with other types of salts :p
8:58 PM
@CowperKettle And they should know, having had a lot of experience with dictatorships.
@Laurel Hmm... yes.. it's not simple. Some questions are easily answered by a -simple- dictionary or thesaurus lookup. But few people know about etymonline so maybe it is different? Is you list supposed to be a 2x4 to the face of those who should know better? If so then maybe you're right that etymonline shouldn't be there.
@M.A.R. I'll send the royalty check to the Monopoly bank of your choice
@Mitch It's kinda serving two purposes: Stop people from closing questions that don't check every single one of the references from the big list and help people asking questions to not get their stuff closed. This is probably why it's tricky to edit
Keep in mind that I'd like to get a tag warning for [etymology] which would hopefully reduce the number of bad questions there
9:14 PM
I just wish those users with itchy close voting fingers would get their fingers smashed by a rock.
Is that too harsh?
Yeah it's kinda harsh.
I'll let it stand.
I think your meta post is fine as is.
"Oh, why'd he waste his time to see a dictator's reign
When he could have seen democracy by traveling on to Spain?"
(Phil Ochs, 1964)
I mean if everybody knew everything already (by doing their own research) we wouldn't have any questions at all.
@CowperKettle There was a running joke on Saturday Night Live in the late 70's on their 'made up news' segment 'Weekend Update', where Chevy Chase would remark 'And Franco is still dead'
I never got that joke
searches google
of course there's a wiki page on it
"Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" is a catchphrase that originated in 1975 during the first season of NBC's Saturday Night (now called Saturday Night Live, or SNL) and which mocked the weeks-long media reports of the impending death of Francisco Franco. It was one of the first catchphrases from the series to enter the general lexicon. == Origin == The death (on November 20, 1975) of Spanish dictator Francisco Franco during the first season of NBC's Saturday Night originated the phrase. Franco's presumed imminent death had been a headline story on NBC News and other news organizations...
I'm still not getting it.
9:40 PM
Hmm, I knew I already talk about it
Mar 11, 2022 at 16:08, by jlliagre
@Mitch "Franco is still dead" reminds me this very famous Charlie Hebdo frontpage headline:
9:56 PM
Summary: while there will be hot guys in Paradise, and they will be your "servants," you will not be able to sleep with them, only with women.
So I converted for nothing. Dammit.
@jlliagre There's nothing new under the sun.
Dec 2, 2022 at 22:01, by Mitch
There's nothing new under the sun
Jul 24 at 15:35, by Mitch
Apr 21 at 20:50, by Mitch
Nov 9, 2021 at 16:23, by Mitch
Jan 19 at 3:03, by Mitch
Aug 21 '20 at 20:23, by Mitch
Jul 5 at 20:43, by Mitch
Apr 29 at 15:07, by Mitch
Mar 2 at 18:13, by Mitch
Dec 31 '18 at 22:48, by Mitch
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May 17 '17 at 19:08, by Mitch
there's nothing new under the sun
Oct 3 at 14:00, by Mitch
Apr 21 at 20:52, by Mitch
Oct 17, 2020 at 21:31, by Mitch
Jul 17 '17 at 14:38, by Mitch
'There is nothing new under the sun' is not new under the sun
Apr 21 at 20:55, by Mitch
' 'There is nothing new under the sun' is not new under the sun' is not new under the sun
Jul 24 at 16:54, by Robusto
I was going to say There is nothing new under the sun but that would have precipitated @Mitch to pull up his endlessly repetitive post from years ago.
There is nothing new under the sun but I'd like to retell the anecdote that domesticated cats which are outdoor cats are the direct cause of the depopulation of birds in human areas.
@alphabet Also, they're not really comfortable with people leaving the faith.
@alphabet goddammit I clicked on the link
@jlliagre OK I think I'm getting it. But it's not -that- funny. It barely rises to the level of 'New Yorker' funny.
10:40 PM
> Modern technologies, from electronics to airplanes, draw on just 20,000 inorganic materials, largely discovered through trial and error; scientists have predicted but not made tens of thousands more. This week, however, researchers report that with a new artificial intelligence (AI), they have predicted the ingredients and properties of another 2.2 million materials.
> Among the finds are layered materials like those used in battery electrodes. Whereas the Materials Project over a decade identified 1000 such compounds, GNoME predicted 52,000, including 528 lithium-ion conductors, a kind of material critical to today’s best batteries.
11:02 PM
@Mitch Running gags do not need to be that funny from the beginning, the fun lies in their repetition.
11:14 PM
Looks like a good film, I should download it.
11:37 PM
@jlliagre I feel like you're daring me to respond with 'there's nothing new under the sun' again
@Mitch Rien de nouveau sous le soleil :-)
Nihil novi sub sole

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