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12:59 AM
@Cerberus The Romans had pockets?
 
@Robusto Sure, who doesn't?
 
I dunno. Wouldn't those spoil the line of a tunic or toga?
 
Not in togae: in those, you would keep stuff in the folds.
Not sure about tunicae.
But you can have all kinds of pockets.
Until recently, the type used was like a purse hanging from a belt, as you probably know.
 
@CowperKettle I think the correct interpretation is that the Big Bang, or whatever happened at t=0, is a point beyond which we cannot explore. We don't care what was before the Big Bang, whether if anything was happening, and whether there was anything that could usefully be labelled as 'time'. The initial event is the starting from which time, as we understand it, calculate it and measure it, begins
Well, unless since then this interpretation has become obsolete.
So in this sense the infinite cycle of rebirth and death, for example, is not necessarily invalidated
 
1:22 AM
@Cerberus I'm familiar with the purses people carried for thousands of years. Some still do, I guess. They don't seem to lend themselves to having ready access to weapons stored in them.
 
I think it was rather more of a tool, like most modern foldable pocket knives?
 
Perhaps.
Rome has such a turbulent history, though, that I tend to think of something like a knife as a weapon instead of a tool.
That might be misguided.
 
1:47 AM
You could use it as a weapon, but you'd need to hide it in the folds of your toga, then.
 
 
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2:59 AM
Et tu, Cerberus?
Dutch of the day: staatsgreep (state-grabbing, or coup)
Since I'm using Twitter over a VPN, it gives me Dutch hot topics on the panel to the right
@M.A.R. But we can theorize ))
@Cerberus I wonder - if somebody gave the Romans the recipe for making paper, would humanity manage to skip the Dark Ages.
With paper, knowledge could be retained and spread wider.
 
3:32 AM
@CowperKettle Wilders always tries to grab attention by crying foul.
@CowperKettle I don't know: the Romans used many materials to write on, many of which fairly cheap, like wax tablets, papyrus, parchment.
Maybe parchment is the most expensive.
Clay tablets were also in common use in antiquity, which are cheap but of course bulky.
I don't know how much cheaper paper is compared with papyrus or bark or other writing materials.
 
@Cerberus I think clay tablets were typically used for drafts, which would then be set down on parchment or equivalent.
 
@Robusto By the Romans specifically, you mean?
I think wax tablets were the commonest kind of 'notebook'.
 
Ah, right. I forgot about wax. But clay might have been a cheaper substitute.
 
enabling photosynthesis in mammalian cells and animals in vivo to improve anabolism and cellular health -- it would be cool to have a patch on your skin that can use the energy of the sun.
> Our therapeutic strategy for degenerative diseases is based on a natural photosynthetic system that can controllably enhance cell anabolism by independently providing key energy and metabolic carriers.
> We aim to avoid elimination in the body and to improve cell anabolism of degenerated cartilage to treat osteoarthritis (Extended Data Fig. 1a).
Curious.
Enabling photosynthesis on your joints, and putting them under the sun once in a while.
"My grandpa has green knees", "The new BeesKnis(TM) therapy for osteoarthritis has been given an FDA permit"
 
3:43 AM
@Robusto The wax could be erased and reused!
It was on a wooden board.
 
Right
 
 
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5:28 AM
> Only experienced meme-ologists will recognise him.
 
6:00 AM
Photoacoustic microscopy images of a mouse vasculature with intact skull.
Seems like magic. This is done with a laser.
Photoacoustic microscopy is an imaging method based on the photoacoustic effect and is a subset of photoacoustic tomography. Photoacoustic microscopy takes advantage of the local temperature rise that occurs as a result of light absorption in tissue. Using a nanosecond pulsed laser beam, tissues undergo thermoelastic expansion, resulting in the release of a wide-band acoustic wave that can be detected using a high-frequency ultrasound transducer. Since ultrasonic scattering in tissue is weaker than optical scattering, photoacoustic microscopy is capable of achieving high-resolution images at greater...
 
6:14 AM
 
6:30 AM
Dutch of the day: Kaalgeschoren moffenmeiden (cleanly-shaven Krautgirls)
Noun: mof f (plural moffen, diminutive mofje n)
  1. muff
  2. (plumbing) Piece to protect pipes where they are poorly connected.
  3. mof m (plural moffen, diminutive mofje n, feminine moffin)
  4. (derogatory) German, Kraut
  5. Synonym: Duitser
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Adjective: mof (masculine mofen, neuter mooft, comparative méi mof, superlative am moofsten)
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„Unter den Talaren – Muff von 1000 Jahren“ war der Text eines Transparents, das am 9. November 1967 im Auditorium Maximum der Universität Hamburg von den damaligen Studenten und früheren AStA-Vorsitzenden Detlev Albers und Gert Hinnerk Behlmer bei der Rektoratsübergabe in der Öffentlichkeit enthüllt wurde. Das dabei entstandene Pressefoto wurde vielfach abgedruckt, und der Text des Transparents wird bis in die Gegenwart als eine der wesentlichen Kernparolen der Deutschen Studentenbewegung der 1960er Jahre oft zitiert. Der gereimte Slogan „Unter den Talaren – Muff von 1000 Jahren“ spielt kritisch…
Der gereimte Slogan „Unter den Talaren – Muff von 1000 Jahren“ spielt kritisch auf die NS-Diktatur von 1933 bis 1945 an. In der NS-Propaganda wurde – im Zusammenhang mit der „Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus“ – ein zu errichtendes „1000-jähriges Reich“ verkündet
 
7:22 AM
The first air shelter drill was held in the settlement of Berezovsky near Yekaterinburg, with dwellers of a five-storey building asked to descend to the shelter, where inspectors checked for the presence of water, light and other necessary conditions e1.ru/text/gorod/2022/12/08/71880080
 
7:32 AM
The nearest Ukrainian military force is 1708 km from the town of Berezovsky.
Why would they need to bomb it.
 
7:49 AM
@user4539917 "Had I known what would happen, I would have torn his military papers to pieces" - Mother about her son who died in Ukraine.
 
8:09 AM
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9:00 AM
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10:04 AM
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10:40 AM
I bought bentonite cat litter. I wonder if it's better or worse than silica gel.
Word of the hour: fining of wine
 
11:01 AM
Word of the minute: to phenocopy
Noun: phenocopy (plural phenocopies)
  1. (genetics) A variation in an organism that resembles a genetic one, but has an environmental rather than a genetic cause, and is not inherited
Verb: phenocopy (third-person singular simple present phenocopies, present participle phenocopying, simple past and past participle phenocopied)
  1. (genetics) To copy a genetic variation through environmental manipulation
 
 
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1:07 PM
Belarusian meme. УЧЕНИЯ means "military exercise". An umpteenth has been announced in the country.
LOL
 
1:31 PM
> White spotting and epistatic white (also known as dominant white) were long thought to be two separate genes, but in fact they are both on the KIT gene. White spotting can take many forms, from a small spot of white to the mostly-white pattern of the Turkish Van, while epistatic white produces a fully white cat. The Birman-specific recessive "gloving" trait is also located on the KIT gene.
Sure glad those kitties have the KIT gene not the FLEECE gene.
 
The cutest cat I had was a chocolate point.
But she was extremely pampered, and did not attend to her kittens well. They both died.
 
2:25 PM
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Didn't even try the "surrounding" countries. I was lucky just to get the main one.
 
A village school principal in Uzbekistan found an old but well-built bronze cauldron and had been using it for 29 years in his home, until a visiting specialized discovered that the cauldron was made 2000 years ago. nplus1.ru/news/2022/12/08/cauldron
 
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It was used by the Sakae, an Iranic nomadic people. Never heard of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka
 
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> In the 11th century, it was remarked by Mahmud al-Kashgari that the people of Khotan still had their own language and script and did not know Turkic well.
They lived in present-day China, and spoke an Iranian dialect.
@Robusto I'm not sure I would guess this country.
 
2:37 PM
@CowperKettle Like I said, I was lucky. Or maybe a bit more. A few months ago, when I encountered another puzzle in that area, I studied the island groups in the Indian Ocean. I've forgotten most of them, but I remembered that one because the name was familiar.
 
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My closest guess was 4700 km away.
 
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It's a good place for jogging though. You can run, and run, and all along the coast. A dream.
Because the whole country is a coast.
Police in Yekaterinburg raided an undercover gay club.
 
@CowperKettle I should mention that my first guess was only about 2700 km away. And my first guess was because I remembered it (and its shape) from the First (second? both?) Gulf War, when it was used for the following:
Deleted because it's kind of a spoiler.
 
I'm kind of proud that local gays are so active that they even set up an undercover club, and gathered more than 100 people there to dance half-naked.
 
2:47 PM
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Lucked out at the end. Thought I was a goner.
@CowperKettle What will happen if it is discovered by the authorities?
 
@Robusto It was, and it was raided by (the?) police ))
LGBT has been almost totally criminalized now, the last couple weeks.
They passed some new laws, of which I didn't read because I'm past caring.
I only saw on Twitter that books were removed from the shelves in bookstores that had any mention of LGBT.
Who cares, you can read all this stuff online anyway.
 
@CowperKettle Note: The article is optional there, but most likely used. There is a subtle distinction, but I'm not sure I could articulate it. Probably you would drop the article if you wanted to emphasize the police as individuals rather than an organization. Not totally sure that covers it. @tchrist?
 
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Articles are very complex.
 
If you're not a native speaker, yes.
If you are, it just comes natural.
 
2:55 PM
In the future, they will just install an AI add-on into software for translators, and it will place articles in all the right places.
 
@CowperKettle But how can you be sure?
 
The AI will be sure.
 
@CowperKettle I don't have as much confidence in that as you appear to possess.
 
I could be wrong.
 
I mean, it may be sure, but that doesn't mean it will be right.
But then, neither will we. I guess AI is only human. ;-)
 
2:58 PM
To err is Truman.
 
"To err is human, but if you really want to f*** things up, use a computer." — Robusto Jul 27, 2012 at 21:37
 
> "It's almost inexplicable why we didn't try this decades ago," says Dr. Fisher.
> "It's very basic, low-tech device that could be made anywhere in the world: no electronics, no computers or filters are required."
 
3:12 PM
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Crap.
 
@CowperKettle I'm not so sure following a serious explanation with 'ha ha ha' makes it humorous.
haha
sigh
 
@Mitch It sounds rather desperate to me.
 
@Robusto Any sense you get out of these things is by assuming it is human and filling in the gaps.
Desperation, confidence, recalcitrance... whatever human emotion is ascribed to it is all in the reader.
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Q: Is "Me and you" grammatically wrong? Cause I can only find "you and me" all over the web

PauloHonest question: I'm writing a song and, musically/melodically speaking, I'm using "me and you". But, researching all over the web, I simply can't find this term 'me and you', and instead of it, there are tons of "You and me". Is it different, on practice?

@tchrist What is the analogous situation in Spanish? The rule for formal English is first person always second in a pair, and case must match (I if nominative, me if accusative). And in informal English it is (sometimes that but sometimes 'me and X' whether nominative or accusative. (let's ignore the between you and I complexities).
 
3:28 PM
Consider these lyrics from the Ella Fitzgerald song "Tea For Two": Picture me upon your knee / Tea for two and two for tea / Me for you and you for me alone. Basically, in a song or a poem or other verbal work of art, you can do whatever the hell you like. — Robusto 44 secs ago
 
I suspect in Spanish, it is always 'Tu y yo' nominative and ... whatever it might be accusative. But maybe Sp allows 'yo y tu'? I don't know.
@Robusto But what about Spanish?
 
@Mitch What about it?
 
@Robusto I'm asking the same question but about Spanish.
 
If you wash blankets in May, you will wash your love away. British proverb.
 
@Mitch I sidestepped that aspect of it.
 
3:32 PM
@CowperKettle Good advice.
 
@Mitch It reminded me of Putin, who yesterday, when asked whether we will use nukes first said "we won't use them first, but if we wont, we (won't have the chance to) use them second", and smiled. "Ha ha ha".
 
What a dick.
 
It's funny because nuclear annihilation is funny.
 
I mean it's not exactly a knee slapper but...
Maybe it's like a New Yorker cartoon where you're thinking of yourself looking at the cartoon and the experience of imagining the characters actually saying it but in real life and how absurd that must be, and that situation eliciting a slight sigh but then your first level mental response to that is a second removed lighter sigh.
So three levels removed from a snort, which is a few levels itself removed from laughing out loud.
 
3:41 PM
There are exactly two things in life that are universally funny: seeing someone else slip and fall down (sure a banana peel makes it even funnier), and ... um ... not being able to think of a second thing in a promised list of two.
@jlliagre But isn't there still a prescriptive rule to say 'tú y yo' instead of the other in Spanish?
And since you're here what's the rule in French? It's probably 'toi et moi, nous', n'est-ce pas? Qu'est-ce qu'il disent?
 
@Mitch I don't see why the first one is funny. Suppose the person breaks some bones. Is it still funny then?
 
@FaheemMitha Of course I'm kidding (but sort of halfway)
 
@Mitch I'm more a fan of verbal humor myself.
 
I feel like I remember hearing about some research that showed that people will laugh almost reflexively at seeing someone slip on a banana peel, but I'm sure (without any research at all) if they fell in a way that looks like they might have injured themselves, the laugh response rate would reverse and most people would be upset seeing that.
 
Cream pies in the face don't really do it for me.
 
3:54 PM
It's the idea behind slapstick (which is barely a half step above punning as a source of humor).
@FaheemMitha How about with a fork?
Empty calories
 
@Mitch I don't know if it would be clear from the manner of the fall.
@Mitch I don't follow.
 
@FaheemMitha Just go along with the broad characterization.
 
@Mitch The RAE isn't prescriptive so there is no strict rule, only a polite recommendation. In French, toi et moi is regular while moi et toi would be a stylistic effect.
 
@FaheemMitha I was trying to be funny. You see, a cream pie to the face you assume that some clown (literal or otherwise) pushed an entire pie into your face both exacerbating your pre-diabetic condition, and risking asphyxia and maybe an eye infection.
 
@Mitch Well, I've never had anyone push a pie in my face, but I'm fairly certain I wouldn't enjoy it.
 
4:01 PM
Yet I turned it around and made it sound like 'a pie to the face' is really a way of saying 'eating a pie', by mentioning a fork, which would beinterpreted as using the fork to eat the pie, rather than sticking the fork in your eye, which would not be funny at all, unless...
You should totally watch that
It's hilarious
@FaheemMitha Sure, no one likes to fall (OK maybe some silly kids and adult stuntmen), or get a cream pie to the face (except for a clown or actor being paid for it), but can be funny to see it happen to someone else.
 
@Mitch I was being ironic. (Ironical? You decide.)
 
Dynamical always sounds off to me
 
4:21 PM
I'll be going to Japan again in a week or so
 
@Goku nice. how long will you stay there?
 
@Mitch a few months probably
The best part about my previous visit to Japan a few years ago, was that I dispelled the (somewhat true) notion that "Asians are always better at mathematics than [the] west"
 
@Goku That's enough time to collect every possible flavor of KitKat
green tea, pumpkin, beef broth, shrimp
 
To be fair many of my classmates were great at mathematics but I could consistently score the highest in math at least
@Mitch I had the strawberry flavor back then
There was also coffee, caramel and more
 
coffee sounds OK. anything savory is just weird to me.
 
4:36 PM
Pizza flavored KitKat when?
 
Pizza? Did I say that out loud? I was thinking it really loud but I don't think I brought that up.
 
Goku is capable of reading minds. So that's what I did
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But even given Goku's mind reading powers and ability to switch effortlessly between 3rd and 1st person, I still don't understand his/their/your sentence "Pizza flavored KitKat when?"
It gives me images of pizza and kitkat (and maybe a little pizza-flavored kitkat) and also some kind of time-continuum and a lack of knowledge about any particular points on the continuum, but beyond that I draw a blank.
 
Well Goku is also a gag character (somewhat) so he is no stranger to switching effortlessly between 1st person as Goku and 3rd person as the author himself. He's also capable of breaking the fourth wall.
And by pizza flavored KitKat I mean a KitKat that happens to taste like.....pizza?
 
@Goku I think it's clear that I understood that part. The inchoate part is the use of the word 'when'. Usually that is a question about a predicate, but there was no predicate in your utterance.
Clearly I do not possess the powers of mind reading that you do.
 
5:45 PM
@Mitch Spanish uses nominative in entre tu y yo, not accusative. French use a tonic pronoun there.
I would tell you why if I knew why, but I do not.
 
6:09 PM
@tchrist 1) For SP, re 'entre tu y yo', what about other prepositions?
2) For SP, re 'entre tu y yo', what about other order? (ie is 'entre yo y tu' allowed or forbidden)
3) what's a 'tonic' pronoun?
 
6:21 PM
@Mitch It is the Internet's 'informal' way of asking a silly/dumb question. I think the nonsensical nature of the sentence is meant to reflect the question itself.
 
 
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@Mitch None come to mind.
Spanish personal pronouns have distinct forms according to whether they stand for the subject (nominative) or object, and third-person pronouns make an additional distinction for direct object (accusative) or indirect object (dative), and for reflexivity as well. Several pronouns also have special forms used after prepositions. Spanish is a pro-drop language with respect to subject pronouns, and, like many European languages, Spanish makes a T-V distinction in second person pronouns that has no equivalent in modern English. Object pronouns can be both clitic and non-clitic, with non-clitic forms...
Read that.
What French is calling "Disjunctive" is what the Spanish table is calling "Prepositional".
 
Isn't that term mainly about cases like, moi, j'aime les escargots?
 
They're tonic pronouns. The "strong" forms.
> Disjunctive pronouns are the strong forms of French pronouns, the forms used in isolation and in emphatic positions (compare the use of me in the English sentence "Me, I believe you, but I am not sure anyone else will"; for more, see Intensive pronoun).

In French, disjunctive pronouns are used in the following circumstances:

as the objects of prepositions: « Je le fais pour toi », "I am doing it for you."
in dislocated positions: « Toi, je t'ai déjà vu, moi. », "You, I have seen you before, I have."
The difference between a strong/tonic and weak/atonic/clitic pronoun is normally whether it takes prosodic stress, but French necessarily works differently.
In Spanish para mí is different from para mi amigo in that the first is a tonic pronoun so receives stress, but the second is not. French has pour moi vs pour mon ami there.
Clitic pronouns are never stressed.
 
8:26 PM
Yeah so the term does not refer to praepositionality, does it?
Even though French uses the same forms after praepositions.
 
Well, Spanish uses subject pronouns like yo, tú, él where French uses moi, toi, lui in the disjunctive places. Yo, yo no quiero nada es eso.
But while Spanish only uses subject pronouns with between, it otherwise uses the prepositional ones.
It's not a good classification schema.
I've honestly never sat around and thought of the differences between English and French and Spanish in all this. Oh maybe I did 40 years ago, but now whatever comes out of my mouth, comes out.
I realize they don't work the same way, but I don't think about it.
> in compound noun phrases: « Lui et moi sommes américains », "He and I are American" (though one might equally say, « Lui et moi, nous sommes américains / on est américains »).
Now that one, that one is weird.
Him and me are Americans VERSUS Him and me, we are Americans.
Clearly these tables have all been set up by different editors. :)
 
 
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You think?
Psychosis looks like a fun game with other kids.
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I love the smell of sanctions in the morning.
Derrick Fielding, UK
> Then races with their shadows wildly run
That stride huge giants o’er the shining snow
In the pale splendour of the winter sun.
(John Clare)
I hate spelling errors.

You mix up two letters and your whole post is urined.
ChatGPT proves AI is finally mainstream — and things are only going to get weirder
I'm listening to Francis Fukuyama - The Origins of Political Order From Prehuman Times to the French Revolution, and it's unexpectedly interesting.
He is presenting history from a slightly different angle than the usual
And in this angle, the history of China is suddenly interesting, and of the Ottoman Empire.
 

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