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1:06 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer (35): Word for "object of malignant joy" by Sanggam Situmorang on english.SE
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2:19 AM
> Florida broke a new record for COVID-19 hospitalizations on Sunday, reporting more than 10,200 patients. That beat out the previous record of 10,170 hospitalizations logged on July 23, 2020, according to the Florida Hospital Association, months before any vaccine was available.
So much for hoping more cases didn't mean more hospitalization, eh Florida Man?
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3:52 AM
@tchrist That is huge.
We have them in the hundreds.
Ca. 180 in intensive care.
4:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of body (40): How would you summarize this article in no more than 200 words? by ttuwii on english.SE
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6:34 AM
@FaheemMitha It went just fine. If you have a cataract, you can do a surgery too, it's quite quick. The operation is done very often, so it must be very effective.
@Xanne By the way, Zverev derives from the word zver, meaning "aminal". "-ev" is a possessive ending. It is cognate with Greek theríon, wild beast, and with feral
7:24 AM
@Robusto I could. But I'm very myopic, so it's not a completely straight-forward procedure. Also, India isn't the ideal place to get surgery.
Indian surgeons, like other Indian doctors, are often crooks. And there is also the question of competence. And Indian courts are not very functional, like most things in India. So it's harder to sue them successfully, and they know it.
Also, they have very poor communication skills. They don't want to tell you stuff. Often stuff you need to know. On occasion, I've had doctors give me pieces of paper to sign that says such and such has been explained, when nothing has actually been explained.
So one needs to be wary. I've been considering having an operation done outside India, but of course, that has its drawbacks too, especially for ongoing treatment. And it's not clear where.
There is a general lack of professionalism in India, and often a lack of sanity. The only thing you can be certain of is that they will charge you.
@Robusto Oh, and one specific thing is that my eyes are both very myopic, but one is much more myopic than the other. And the one that is much more myopic also has a much more advanced cataract. From my conversations with doctors here, that does make the procedure trickier, though I don't properly understand the issues.
Just made me think of that.
@M.A.R. For a month!!??
Oh, you're talking about kidney surgery, I suppose. That's different.
@CowperKettle Glad it went well for you. But it's not always completely straight-foward.
7:39 AM
@CowperKettle Wha, is this supposed to be serious?
@CowperKettle Thanks, very interesting. BTW, I agree about skateboarding.
@Xanne It's a crime? Why would it be a crime?
How is it any different from cycling?
Obviously I'm not a skateboarder myself.
8:05 AM
@M.A.R. It’s a humorous poster—skateboarding is often forbidden in places like shopping malls, where pedestrians can be hit, and of course inside stores, where it would be fun, actually, to zip about, what with the marble floors and all. I doubt skateboards are permitted in bike lanes, at least at busy times. There’s probably a fine of some kind.
8:22 AM
@Xanne Oh, so it's kinda tongue-in-cheek? Like "if skateboarders don't have anywhere to legally skateboard (except skating grounds), why is it even in the Olympics?"
8:35 AM
Is it really a sport? Mant olympic sports were only gradually accepted. Artistic swimming, say.
@CowperKettle “The International Olympic Committee (IOC) today agreed to add baseball/softball, karate, skateboard, sports climbing and surfing to the sports programme for the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020.”
There’s a trans weightlifter in the 2020 olympics (m to f).
Simone Biles will compete on the balance beam, apparently.
Medical tourism refers to people traveling abroad to obtain medical treatment. In the past, this usually referred to those who traveled from less-developed countries to major medical centers in highly developed countries for treatment unavailable at home. However, in recent years it may equally refer to those from developed countries who travel to developing countries for lower-priced medical treatments. The motivation may be also for medical services unavailable or non-licensed in the home country: There are differences between the medical agencies (FDA, EMA etc.) world-wide, whether a drug is...
So the traffic goes both ways.
9:00 AM
@Xanne No idea. A bit of gatekeeping is probably necessary for prestige etc. reasons, I mean, if it becomes another Guinness records no one would watch the Olympics. On the other hand, lots of stuff we already consider to be established sports are heavy on the leisure or luck side and light on the skill side
@Xanne well I'd expect it to be something like 99:1
And most of that 1 is probably just moving from the USA to Europe, which sorta doesn't count towards the impression that the quality of life must be different on the sending and receiving sides
9:35 AM
@Mitch That usually called "the sub continent". In BrE Asia can mean anything from everything east of the Bosphorus, to something country specific, like China.
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10:45 AM
Shameyeva Rita, aged 26, from Ufa, died in a car crash in 2016, and her tombstone has the form of an iPhone
11:20 AM
Daily new cases in my Oblast
11:41 AM
11:54 AM
@CowperKettle He should go into politics.
12:52 PM
My favorite game
Because it's fast
I used to play that one in arena mode with my kids when they were young.
It was a lot of fun.
@Robusto I never even heard about it. Ah, it's for Mac
Macs are very, very rare in Russia. They are too expensive.
Yeah. And Macs don't really get used much for gaming by hard-core gamers here.
My sister had a Mar Air laptop from 2012 I guess. Maybe still has. It is so thin and feels nice.
Today the Russian authorities annouced the creation of a Committee that will investigate the plots of all theater plays. Censorship is back.
Several days ago Putin created a Committee for oversight of all historical books, movies, etc. They will all be brought in line with the official rules.
Especially all movies and books related to WWII, but not only.
It's amazing how swiftly the changes are taking place.
16 hours ago, by Robusto
I think the Sputnik vaccine only requires allegiance to Putin these days. It couldn't care less about workers of the world uniting and losing their chains.
1:02 PM
A week ago, a play currently running in a famous Moscow theater was attacked for being "an insult to the memory of WWII veterans".
The theater director who staged the play is actually a pupil of the famous theater director in Yekaterinburg, Kolyada.
Several independent newspapers asked Kolyada's opinion on his former pupil
He replied "I never had such a pupil"
The local newspaper found Kolyada's lengthy Facebook post from 2016 titled "My Pupils" and dedicated exactly to this theater director.
Kolyada promptly deleted the post.
He is afraid of persecution, and so he lied that he never taught this young director.
It's so reminiscent of the Soviet days.
Nikolay Vladimirovich Kolyada (Russian: Николай Владимирович Коляда; also transliterated as Nikolai Koliada) is a Russian actor, director, writer, playwright, and playwriting teacher. Theatre critic John Freedman names Kolyada as one of several dramatists and directors who might be designated as "fathers" or "mothers" of Russia's contemporary theatre movement. (Other contenders mentioned are Aleksei Kazantsev, Elena Gremina, Nadezhda Ptushkina, and Ol’ga Mukhina). The New York Times said that Kolyada's work has made a Yekaterinburg a "center of modern drama." Kolyada is one of the first Russian...
Nikolay Kolyada, I used to attend his plays in the early 2000s
I never knew he would be so afraid.
The Moscow director ended up amending the text of the play to make it "less offfensive".
That's intimidation.
A famous play director in Moscow spent several years under investigation and in custody after he openly sided with the opposition. He was charged with embezzling state money. In the end the investigation found out that to the contrary, he added his own money on top of what the state provided, in order to stage a state-funded play.
Basically he did not embezzle but he even lost his own funds.
But it took several years, many public demonstrations and protests. Otherwise he would be in prison now. Only his famous status saved him.
1:31 PM
> Camarones embarazados translates to pregnant shrimp, but these crustaceans aren’t necessarily carrying roe. The catchy name is a play on words: “en vara” means on a stick, and “asado” means roasted, and together, “en vara asado” sounds like “embarazado.” These shrimp are soaked with an adobo that becomes a crunchy crust when grilled.
I don't think I could be a dictator. I don't have the energy to try and control every aspect of public discourse.
@MattE.Эллен Falling behind on flag handling? :)
that too
Your countrymen have strange ideas about rhymes and syllables.
"Paranoia will destroy ya"
That's a fine rhyme.
yeah, just about
who is saying otherwise?
1:33 PM
But paranoia has only 4 syllables, not 5.
For me, begonia rhymes with things I'll loan ya.
was it meant to fit a limerick?
They are thinking that the "ni" and the "a" are in two separate syllables, and for me they are not.
@tchrist yeah, works for me
It ends in "nya"
Not in "knee" for one syllable and then another "ah".
Alright so making a word plural does not change the syllable stress. However, in the case of begonias, does it add another syllable? 3 or 4 syllables? — user1261710 2 hours ago
I gave a link to three syllables in a dictionary. But the Brits are still stumping for four syllables, and I do not understand why.
Then again, I think the girl's name Tanya has only two syllables, so what do I know?
it is possible, if you're like Hyacinth Bucket, to pronounce it with 4
@tchrist they're probably thinking about the word rather than recording themselves actually speaking and hear what they're saying
> Seabrook and the young woman with what I perceive to be the pronunciation of 'Sonia' and 'Maria'.
Yeah, blows my brains away.
Those two words can't rhyme.
@tchrist oh wow. that really is 4 syllables
1:43 PM
@MattE.Эллен Maybe I'm hearing her through my own mental filter, but I still think she says be-GON-ya in 3.
be-GO-ni-a in 4 syllables sounds like something in the comparative degree, like one is begonier than another.
But I still can't get over rhyming Sonia and Maria. I have no idea how that can ever work in any accent.
Maybe if they said Sanya and Marya but egads!
@tchrist yeah, that one is a complete mystery
sentences them to watch West Side Story every night of its six-month run
maybe he rhymes Sonia with "so near"
Well, he said that all the Sonias he's ever known have had what some call a "short o" as in belong. But our lady justice says it with a "long o" as in bemoan.
Which was the rhyme I was going for.
@MattE.Эллен Even so, those are both two syllables for me.
@tchrist yeah, he'd have to pronounce Maria differently, too
1:53 PM
Clearly the problem is that English has more accents than it has Englishmen.
lol, what with code-switching
Since an Englishman's accent changes from pub to parsonage. :)
Maybe that should read pub to pulpit.
you'll end up with slurmons
More scandals from the tracking of the clergy's mobiles!
"He went to the pub at dawn on Sunday morning!"
Can there be more than one pandemonium? Would those be pandemonia if so and would they rhyme with begonia? What about Bologna? :)
Naw, that's all a buncha baloney.
Brits always seem to have lots of gratuitous syllables. Consider Laleña as sung by Donovan Leitch:
2:04 PM
And head all polysyllabic and all. Worse than Sowath Carowalayina!
I can't even begin to transcribe how he pronounces head.
Yes you can. Just start with h!
Now you've begun.
Too bad the grupetto symbol doesn't exist in English punctuation.
Sounds like an Eyetalian Coupon Club!
I think you are thinking of Groupetton ... which would be a weird Greek turn for the worse.
2:11 PM
My other ELU answer yesterday was a confusion from a Brazilian, where they make "this" and "that" synonyms, so he has been tricked for English.
Q: What is the difference between "this" and "that" in "How much is this/that watch"?

Vagner WentzI am studying English and I would like to know the difference about "this" and "that" at this phrase translating to Portuguese. In the image, the subject held the watch and said "that", so I was in doubt. How much is that watch? - Quanto é esse relógio? How much is this watch? - Quanto é esse r...

Notice his software translated both English "this" and "that" into just "that" in Brazilian. :(
This doesn't sit well with the European Portuguese speakers, but it's not my place to say that. :)
So Portuguese lost the esto / eso distinction?
@Robusto NO!!!!! The BRAZILIANS have!
The Portuguese retain it.
Silly Brazilians.
It's like collapsing here and there, or come and go.
Some dialects of Catalan are also going from the 3-grade system to a 2-grade system.
At least former and latter will still work.
It Spanish those are aquel vs este respectively.
@MattE.Эллен Oh...right...but so many syllables in 'sub-continent'. But 'Asian' does not necessarily correspond to 'of Asia'. Trans-Bosporus (if Europe is Cis), is Asia by definition, but would you consider TUrks (or Arabs or Israelis) -Asian- in common parlance?
2:18 PM
You'll never have that problem in Japanese. There are three prefixes that are assiduously used to for referencing the speaker, the audience, and a third-party unrelated: ko-, so-, and a- respectively.
Because the latter is "closer" to the speaker, so they use "this" / este.
@Robusto Yeah, these are all tied to the grammatical persons. Or were.
@Robusto Does Japanese have a 'we' that means 'me and some others but not you'?
@Mitch Turks? probably not, but Arabs, yes.
Turkey keeps applying to be part of the EU, so I find it hard to think of them as Asian.
@MattE.Эллен Oh I think you're underestimating how easy it is. In fact ... taps furiously on calculator ..
@MattE.Эллен Turkey would never survive Thanksgiving in the US.
2:20 PM
aquí => esto => cerca de mí
ahí => eso => cerca de ti
allí => aquel => cerca de ellos
Once you get a good inner circle (which is admittedly no walk in the park), you delegate.
@MattE.Эллен Just give us Troy! --Agamemnon
"Here for you, who seem to be so paranoid, inculcate not just a secret police, but a tattle tale public."
tatted tail
I mean you're the idea man but let others execute.
2:22 PM
@Mitch I just think the word Asian is inappropriate when indicating ethnicities or similar.
It's often unclear and/or incorrect.
Quoth the Far West Asian man himself!
Not good at propaganda? Choosing the wrong word here or there spoils the revolution? Put an English Lit major to work.
but a henchman would come in one morning with the newspaper, all wild eyed, "Have you seen what they're saying about you?" I would shrug. I have all the power what they say doesn't matter
Propaganda isn't as effective as contraganda.
Need some reliable beefy enforcers... all those bullies from middle school would be glad to atone to you by turning their anger towards others.
2:24 PM
@tchrist ?
@Mitch eachother! ha! take that
@Cerberus I think that is probably the takeaway from all this.
@Mitch Get the Bee Feeders!
sweet sweet revenge
@tchrist *contrapaganda
2:26 PM
@MattE.Эллен Isn't that what dictating is about? They said I wouldn't get any where in life. Those mean girls at school are the first ones sent to re-education camps.
@Cerberus Yeah but that one's a bit of an unwieldy contraption.
@Mitch maybe so. I'm surprised I'm not a dictator, now
causa metri
@tchrist and the other is a ... oops that is an awful spoonerism
2:27 PM
Similarly, African is less useful for ethnicity and similar.
Lord Dunsany meant to write The Gods of Paganda.
Only Sub-Saharan makes more sense (though it is only paraphyletic genetically).
@MattE.Эллен Realistically, people get a little saturated with leadership so there's a bit of lottery involved as to who gets misunderstood enough to become fearless leader.
You say Paganda, I say pagoda
2:28 PM
@MattE.Эллен I'm not saying anything
The Gods of Pegāna is the first book by Anglo-Irish fantasy writer Lord Dunsany, published on a commission basis in 1905. The book was reviewed favourably but as an unusual piece. One of the more influential reviews was by Edward Thomas in the London Daily Chronicle. == Contents == The book is a series of short stories linked by Dunsany's invented pantheon of deities who dwell in Pegāna. It was followed by a further collection, Time and the Gods, and by some stories in The Sword of Welleran and Other Stories and possibly in Tales of Three Hemispheres. The book contains a range of illustrations...
I could never get into Dunsany.
Well sure, anybody can make up shit
I think I read one third of Ouroboros or something.
But everything in his world just seemed so...flat.
And not in a good, Dutch way.
But rather soulless, meaningless.
2:30 PM
@Mitch very good comrade.
But perhaps it was just my insensitive nature.
Let's see, whose native habitat can we disparage?
@tchrist: It's raining here again. A good thing, of course, but I can't ever remember so much rain in the summertime here.
Flat as Iowa but not the bluffs
I hope there is no risk of flooding?
2:31 PM
Flat as Norfolk
@MattE.Эллен You have understood everything
@MattE.Эллен How dare you
@Cerberus There have been floods, of the flash variety.
sorry, how insensitive of me
as flat as a Euclidean plane
sorry. I went there
@Robusto But that won't happen now?
2:33 PM
It's always a possibility. We had one a week or so ago, in which four people died.
as flat as an apartment in the UK
@MattE.Эллен my Norfolk, as much as one can make such a claim, is probably going to be one of the first casualties of rising sea level.
after a whole bunch of other places
@MattE.Эллен nice
as flat as a punctured tire
@Robusto Oh, dear.
They cannot be predicted?
Not reliably.
But if you stay out of the arroyos you are unlikely to be swept away.
as flat as an out of tune piano
as flat as sensible shoes
2:36 PM
as flat as day-old soda
@Cerberus Yup, that's an arroyo.
Not very deep...
So it will flood quickly if there is too much water?
@Cerberus Very quickly. But in almost all cases the ones who get swept away are homeless people.
2:40 PM
The others are those who think it would be fun to play in a fast-moving stream that is growing geometrically even as they watch.
@Robusto that's one thing that is useful knowledge you learn from old-westerns, don't walk in sandy low places even if there are no clouds in the sky.
They should make container houses for homeless people. Should be cheap and easy.
Here many students live in containers.
@Mitch And never, ever pitch a camp there.
But a flash flood always occurred in the same movie as quicksand and swarms of army ants so I'm never sure what to trust
2:42 PM
@Cerberus They seem so modular but I don't think they are structurally sound enough to stack.
These are fairly common here.
@user1261710 No. Begonias has 3 syllables. The last syllable is "NYAZ" not "AZ". "NI" is not its own syllable here. Listen to Peter. It rhymes with loan ya in the singular and loan yas in the plural. There are no LOW-KNEE-ASS anywhere. I'm sorry to talk baby-talk but people don't understand IPA. — tchrist ♦ 3 mins ago
at least not in those scifi landscapes.
"Take a low knee in the ass."
Something something gardener.
if you stack them exactly one-to-one on top of each other then they should be fine
2:42 PM
@Mitch We have clay and peat, the worst kinds of ground.
I think those containers require minimal foundation.
@Cerberus that's a difffernt sort of problem, the stability. but can't you just sink pilings deeper?
@Mitch That's exactly what Tommy Tornado said!
I'm no architect or structural engineer
@tchrist I hesitate to ask or google who Tommy Tornado is. I'm also wondering If his dad is Spanish or something or if he made up that name.
@Mitch Sure.
2:46 PM
But you probably don't need much, which is why they are so cheap.
All stacked containers.
> De totale kosten voor een containerwoning liggen rond 20.000 – 30.000 euro
Nice. ready to move in?
These are the costs for a tailored container house.
Probably including the land.
So, if you are a government building stacked container houses, I think it'll be much, much cheaper.
@Mitch Should be all included.
The container itself is only a few thousand euros.
Like €3000.
This is waht I think won't work with containers:
2:50 PM
Maybe not!
But is that what your homeless people need?
Those buildings work because they are designed structurally
I mean, when you have a housing crisis, I say, build a huge number of temporary container houses.
@Cerberus There is surely enough currently free living space (in the US right now
Then at least people have somewhere decent to live until the crisis is sorted.
@Mitch It's probably too expensive for those homeless people?
The large majority will not be homeless because they like not having a house...
Build container houses!
Anything is better than nothing.
Many of my friends lived in containers as students. One even had a grand piano in his container.
It was perfectly fine.
@Cerberus yeah build something
2:59 PM
The poor you shall have with you always.
We have many places in the city where I think they could easily build a large number of container houses for cheap, and help many people.
Only one continent lacks homeless people.
Students and homeless.
The number of homeless people in Amsterdam has doubled over the past decade, I believe.
Global warming.
Housing prices are a large factor, and decreased budgets for taking care of crazy people.
3:02 PM
Nothing another ice age wouldn't fix up in a jiffy.
Alas, we seem to be heading the other direction.
Everyone who wants to have a house, even if it is just a roof used from time time, should be able to have one, in a rich country.
A simple container house.
Either it's a poor country or a rich country. Which is it?
@Cerberus They are trying to put that kind of thing together in Albuquerque. So far it's gone only to the planning stage.
3:04 PM
Poor people live as poorly in poor countries as rich people live richly in rich countries.
Where is the priest, to interpret the Pythius?
So the obvious answer is for the poor people to all move to rich countries because that way we will not be able to call them poor any longer.
Building container houses for all poor people in the world is of a different order, alas...
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (77): Do you need a comma before "such as"? by KieronMoore on english.SE
What happened to Reg? I haven't seen him in a while.
3:12 PM
@MattE.Эллен Has he been visiting the site in his capacity as moderator?
Yeah I haven't seen him either.
> Last seen Jun 22 at 14:58
@Robusto not for over a month
3:14 PM
I just emailed him, so there may be a solution to the riddle forthcoming.
He has his periods of abstinence.
@Robusto thanks
3:30 PM
Weren't they having floods recently in his part of Germany?
Hmm I'm not sure how close they were to his town.
3:43 PM
@Cerberus I think there was some content here that he didn't care for.
@Mitch Hmm what do you mean by content?
puns? poop talk? Putin?
Poutine? Putains?
You don't know?
mmm... poutine
@Robusto Did someone mention bowling?
I've not bowled in thirty years like...
3:47 PM
@RegDwigнt Indeed.
Though I visited Munich a couple weeks ago and went to play billiards with me bruh, for the first time in twenty years, and after two beers I was surprisingly decent.
Then after six I was completely rubbish again.
@Cerberus I had not one point but 17. Out of 25.
At least that's what the nice Dutch lady told me.
@RegDwigнt I played pocket billiards with my son a couple weeks ago. I similarly sucked.
Very disappointing. Better than a coin toss, but not by much. I am very sad.
(Still talking about the Old English test, not about the billiards.)
I think you and I had the same score. I don't recall.
Anyway, SE decided to log me off on every machine on existence, and I decided that it was too much hassle to remember how to log on again.
3:50 PM
@RegDwigнt Yes, it was exactly the same score. I suspect you were looking over my shoulder.
But now I come in here and without doing anything, they just show me as logged back in again.
I guess they just wanted to get rid of you for a while, not forever.
I call it the Merkel approach. Wait and see. People will do things for you.
@RegDwigнt That's a lot.
What good did your points do you?
@Cerberus maybe for you because you were tossing coins you said. But I wasn't.
3:51 PM
I forgot how many points I got, d'oh.
Oh, right.
You probably did better than me, according to the graph.
@RegDwigнt It's why we love her.
How many points did I get? Do you have that open in a tab?
I do think the English boxplot looks the most decorative.
The Scandinavian one is too minimalist.
The Dutch one too random.
English speakers are unsurprisingly bottom, because English speakers don't speak foreign languages. And most don't even speak English.
3:55 PM
Oh, I had 18.
@RegDwigнt Fair enough.
See. Better than me. I is sadness.
But that doesn't explain the grace of their boxplot.
English and German box plots are identical, except for outliers. Well, almost.
German has a much higher median!
1 point!
@Cerberus Hence the "Well, almost" ...
3:56 PM
EL&U and Yahoo Answers are identical.
Yahoo Answers is shut down!
Oh, no!
That explains a lot.
One time on Xbox Live I talked to a chap from who knows where in England whose accent I really struggled to understand. He told me to fucking learn English. I told him to fucking learn English right back.
And how did he reply?
Could you understand it?
3:58 PM
@RegDwigнt Always the diplomat.
In our clan we had a Geordie, a couple Scots, a Welsh, a Latino from SanFran, a German with the thickest German accent, and an Italian that was the most insulting parody you could devise.
I understood all of them equally well.
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