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12:02 AM
Words of the day: RINO and DINO (US politics)
@Robusto Maybe the whole system should be changed to allow for more parties than just two.
 
12:37 AM
@CowperKettle There are problems with that as well. In a three-party system, the minority party gets to play dealmaker and thus wields outsized influence.
 
The two larger parties can also form a coalition if the third party becomes too demanding.
 
And look at all the problems Germany and Israel have forming governing coalitions.
 
But the idea is not to have three parties, but many.
 
15 secs ago, by Robusto
And look at all the problems Germany and Israel have forming governing coalitions.
 
It is not a problem when forming a coalition takes a long time or is difficult.
And you can also have minority governments, which work well in Scandinavia.
 
12:41 AM
Yeah. But those tend to work better when two sides don't hate each other's livers.
 
But why do the two sides hate each other?
I'd say, because there is extreme polarisation (society is cut in twain).
And why is that?
 
@Cerberus Two words: "conservative" media.
The bigtime outrage machine.
 
I think the underlying cause is partly the political system, the bipartisan status quo.
 
Ever since the conservatives started all the talk radio which morphed into Faux News and their ilk, they've wanted Democrats (and democracy) dead. They will do anything to get their way, as we have seen.
 
@Færd who is Damkerng? I don't think I've ever seen them in ELU chat
 
12:55 AM
@Mitch Search chat for that name.
 
I think a big part of the root cause is the bipartisan system. Those right-wing media (and the extreme, PC left) are symptoms.
I mean, there is a problem with media.
But it was already remarked upon in the 19th century.
How partial American media were.
 
@Cerberus Well, identifying the problem unfortunately does not solve it. It's like telling people on a sinking ship, "See, your real problem is that if you wind up in the water you could drown."
 
Perhaps the ship can sail back to land in time.
 
@Robusto got it. So not a regular talker here
 
I remember D. being active in ELL chat.
 
12:59 AM
@Mitch Used to be, apparently. The name was familiar to me, but I don't recall any specific conversations.
 
Also there's no accounting for real life, which weirdly is not ELU chat
 
Not??
Then where is it.
 
1:16 AM
The Rage of Party was the tumultuous period in English politics directly after the Glorious Revolution of 1688 until c. 1715. This period was characterized by political instability brought about by increased partisanship within Parliament and frequent elections. Eleven Parliaments met in this period, partly as a result of the Triennial Act, which meant a general election had to be held every three years. In fact, on average an election was held every two and a half years.The period ended with the Hanoverian succession and the passage of the Septennial Act 1716 allowing up to seven years between...
 
1:58 AM
@Cerberus I did say 'weirdly'
 
2:22 AM
@Mitch Quite!
 
2:34 AM
> * 20 FOOT WINDS...Southwest 20 to 30 mph with gusts to 40 mph
Wednesday afternoon and south to southwest 20 to 30 mph with
gusts to around 45 mph Thursday afternoon.
WTF? "20 FOOT WINDS"?
Dafuq is dat.
Well, no riding tomorrow. Damn.
 
Normally, winds are smaller.
Aeolus could hold hundreds in his bag.
Actually, I think scientists disagree about how many winds the bag contained.
 
2:56 AM
> A 20-foot wind is the sustained wind speed averaged over a 10-minute period at a height of 20 feet above the surface.
 
@Xanne Thank you!
 
 
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5:41 AM
@Cerberus That's the exact opposite of what the Reps have been doing. Whenever they were able to exploit a legal loophole, of which there are plenty, they did it unashamedly.
And I think that goes to the root of the problem. It's not the bipartisan or first-past-the-post system. The problem is, first and foremost, that it's not even a democratic system. The hugely malapportioned Senate, the Electoral Collage, gerrymandering, and what have you upsets the balance and boosts one party's chances so much that they can bask in their exclusive advantages and seldom find the motivation to compete for people's votes fair and square. That's minority rule, not democracy.
Things have only come to a head with Trump so Dems are starting to think they need to do something about this, or else.
Whether they can pull off anything of substance is another matter. I personally think America is going to grapple with this systemic crisis for years to come, until demographic changes (like Texas going Latino) take care of things automatically. That is, if nothing disastrous happens before then.
@Mitch He was a heavyweight champion on ELL. Sometimes paid visits here.
 
5:59 AM
Word of the day: indicator stalk
 
 
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7:39 AM
Access to Twitter will be slowed down in Russia starting from 10 March novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/03/10/…
Twitter previously refused to delete several thousand posts on demand from Roskomnadzor, Putin's network censorship watchdog
 
Interesting. Twitter has been censored altogether in Iran for about 13 years now.
 
@Færd They are probing the water. Twitter is not extremely popular in Russia, so they are starting with it.
If there are big protests, they may relent a bit.
At the same time, they are testing the blocking technology in the runup to the Parliament Election this fall, which will be completely rigged, in contrast to Putin's earlier elections.
Putin's party has become very unpopular, thus the need for complete rigging of the election. And possible subsequent blocking of all network sites that might help protesters coordinate their activity.
@Færd But can you open it via the TOR Browser, for instance?
 
 
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9:09 AM
@Færd Of course, Faerd, the U.S. system has a long history and is a Constitutional republic and not a democracy. The founders debated the details of the government they were creating at length and were aware of the problems of pure democracy. The Federalist Papers is a collection of essays by three of them on some of these difficulties.
In fact direct election of heads of government is unusual and not part of parliamentary systems, in general. The first-past-the post allocation of electoral votes tends toward third parties becoming inclined to become part of the two major parties since only two states use any proportional representation. Change
Changes have been made but it’s worked rather well over 200+ years, successfully transferring political power peacefully.
 
9:47 AM
Spring is in the air!
 
 
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11:02 AM
Word of the day: eschatocol
I never ever came across it before
 
11:35 AM
@CowperKettle I guess our regime is more afraid of its peopole than yours is of your people. And Twitter is the first site to censor if you want to forestall protests, because it's the primary social medium where dissenting sentiments can prosper.
@CowperKettle Oh definitely. At least for now. They're working on a national wide web (as opposed to a www) which would be malleable in their hands. They've been successful in having some of their main platforms (banks, news websites, etc) function independently of the www. So if they shut down the internet, it won't be a complete blackout in the country.
Exactly like what they did a year and a half ago during the deadly public protests.
- A bunch of guys from centuries ago debated and decided this.
- It's worked for 200 years.
- It’s a republic. It was not supposed to be a democracy in the first place.
Sorry, I don't see any arguments being made here.
The value of majoritarian democracy (with inalienable basic rights for everybody) follows from the intrinsic value of freedom. There are freer systems I believe, but minority rule is definitely less free than majoritarian democracy. If one wishes to restrict others' freedoms, one needs to provide a valid explanation as to why.
Otherwise I can even justify Iran's electoral system based on similar considerations.
 
> A Scottish woman with a previously unreported genetic mutation (dubbed FAAH-OUT) in her FAAH gene with resultant elevated anandamide levels was reported in 2019 to be immune to anxiety, unable to experience fear, and insensitive to pain.
Finally, the True Scotswoman is found.
 
 
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1:47 PM
@CowperKettle Looks a lot like winter to me.
@CowperKettle We all need to raise our anandamide levels then.
 
2:24 PM
@Mitch no, thanks. Maybe some other time.
Noun: шаг • (šah) m inan (genitive ша́гу, nominative plural шагі́, genitive plural шаго́ў)
  1. step, pace
  2. Synonym: крок (krok)
  3. step, action, act
  4. шаг • (šag) m inan (genitive ша́га or шага́*, nominative plural шаги́, genitive plural шаго́в, related adjective ша́говый, diminutive шажо́к) (* See Usage note.)
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2:43 PM
@RegDwigнt but what does it mean as a measure? how -high- a step is? (that's what the picture looks like but that just seems a really strange thing to measure). The height of a heel? Also strange. If not those then what? The picture just brings more questions.
 
3:16 PM
@Mitch indeed. what is it good for?
 
@MattE.Эллен Maybe it's a handy measurement for all the action in the Austin Powers movies?
 
@CowperKettle I believe that is the end of a document?
An eschatocol, or closing protocol, is the final section of a legal or public document, which may include a formulaic sentence of appreciation; the attestation of those responsible for the document, which may be the author, writer, countersigner, principal parties involved, and witnesses to the enactment or the subscription; or both. It also expresses the context of the documentation of the action described therein, i. e., enunciation of the means of validation and indication of who is responsible to document the act; and the final formulae. Common in European medieval charters, they have been...
Ah, yes.
From Greek eschaton, "end".
 
3:31 PM
Alexandria Eschate or Alexandria Eskhata (Greek: Ἀλεξάνδρεια Ἐσχάτη), literally "Alexandria the Furthest", was a city founded by Alexander the Great, at the south-western end of the Fergana Valley (modern Tajikistan) in August 329 BCE. It was the most northerly outpost of the Greek Empire in Central Asia. Alexandria Eschate was established on the south bank of the river Jaxartes (Syr Darya), at or close to the site of modern Khujand (Хуҷанд; خجند).According to the Roman writer Curtius, Alexandria Ultima retained its Hellenistic culture as late as 30 BC. However, the Han dynasty conquered the city...
The remains of Alexander's town lie in the tell of the old citadel in Khojand.
Khujand (Russian: Худжанд, romanized: Khujand; Tajik: Хуҷанд, romanized: Xujand; Uzbek: Xo‘jand/Хўжанд; Persian: خجند‌‎, romanized: Xojand), sometimes spelled Khodjent and known as Leninabad (Russian: Ленинабад, romanized: Leninabad; Tajik: Ленинобод, romanized: Leninobod; Persian: لنین‌آباد‌‎, romanized: Leninâbâd) from 1936 to 1991, is the second-largest city of Tajikistan and the capital of Tajikistan's northernmost province, Sughd. Khujand is one of the oldest cities in Central Asia, dating back about 2,500 years. Situated on the Syr Darya river at the mouth of the Fergana Valley, Khujand was...
(Greek: Ἀλεξάνδρεια Ἐσχάτη) or "Alexandria The Furthest"
 
Eschatology (listen) is a part of theology concerned with the final events of history, or the ultimate destiny of humanity. This concept is commonly referred to as "the end of the world" or "end times".The word arises from the Greek ἔσχατος éschatos meaning "last" and -logy meaning "the study of", and first appeared in English around 1844. The Oxford English Dictionary defines eschatology as "the part of theology concerned with death, judgment, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind".In the context of mysticism, the term refers metaphorically to the end of ordinary reality and to reunion...
 
Tajikistan. A country that has enough potential water power to sell electricity to all neighboring states, and get rich. Instead it is ruled by a highly corrupt post-Soviet family that siphons money out and, in cahoots with Putin's FSB, grabs its opponents even when they flee abroad.
One Tajik had a Russian citizenship and started an opposition movement inside Russia, in order to help fellow Tajiks. Tajik agents assaulted him, he barely survived. As soon as he left the clinic, Putin's FSB illegally grabbed him and flew him to Tajikistan. He was stripped of his Russian citizenship despite living here many years.
And he vanished, let's hope he is at least alive in some prison there.
 
Word of the day: epicene Linguistics Having only one form for both the male and the female: an epicene pronoun
English is mostly epicene, then, and becoming more so, with the waning of distinctions like actor/actress.
 
4:17 PM
@Robusto People have used that in ELU questions (usually about singular they and similar). But 'epicene' does not -sound- like what it means.
It sounds like a period of time in the cenozoic: paleocene, eocene, mesocene, epicene, pleistocene.
 
@Mitch I was just going to say that.
 
@Robusto alas
or
 
holocene
 
it could be a fancy hifalutin word for the beginning of something or that something is in its early stages: "That child is really going to be a great musician but at the moment their talents are epicene."
argh... -miocene-
I used to know those
or -did- I?
What I -know- that I don't know are the eras of the Precambrian.
It's like... what happened?
The Cambrian is all that people talk about, you know at parties, at the pub, book clubs, The Voice.
None of them ever bring up things that happened in the -Pre-cambrian.
Like nothing ever happened then.
At least the Bible says "It starts -here-"
 
Yeah. The Bible.
Like any Republicans actually practice the teachings of Jesus.
Matthew 25:35 “For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”
Instead, Republicans wanted to, tried to, build a wall to keep them out.
 
4:31 PM
@Robusto That guy seems really nice.
 
inorite
 
But he yelled at his mom once.
And kinda out of pride
like she didn't believe that he made wine out of water.
which is kind of a big ask
I mean I'd be a little skeptical
 
Matthew 25:35 as revised by Republican practice: "For I was hungry and you kicked me, I was thirsty and you spurned me, I was a stranger and you separated me from my children and put us in cages."
 
I always wondered what kind of monster thought (and they think it all the time) that if you become an atheist (or otherwise lose 'faith') then what's holding you back from all the evil that the ten commandments and other rules for living keep you from doing.
I mean you don't need a big book (and a bunch of angry old men) telling you that murder is uncool.
But...
 
As Penn Gillette said, "My solution is simple: I kill every person I want to kill. I just don't want to kill anybody."
 
4:36 PM
It -is- kind of convenient to have a rule book.
 
I don't need a rule book to tell me I have an aversion to murder. I just feel it right down to my bones.
 
"What, I can't shot people in the face that I don't like?"
"No that's really uncool. Also it says so in this big book."
" Oh.... Hm.... OK... I guess? if the big book says so then maybe it's a thing"
People just respond to arbitrary authority I guess rather than thinking, hm... maybe that dude will be upset if I covet his fatted calf.
Then again, it is a pretty nice fatted calf.
I mean can't I admire it from afar?
Like it's a compliment, right?
Those old guys with their books and shit.
Why are they telling me what to do?
I'm gonna write my own book.
No fruit in meat dishes
Duck a l'orange? Burn down the kitchen to clean it.
Raisins in your couscous? Bleurgh.
Lemon zest in your chicken piccata? That's cutting it close dude.
And then when I get old...er, I'm gonna have this book to say "Look, don't do that shit. It says so in this book"
Oh.
I get it now
Old people.
Books.
OMG.
 
Which is why we shouldn't learn to read
 
4:56 PM
Yo yo yo, Can you please answer my question, if you can?
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Q: Does "for the record" come from legislatures' us(ag)e of the term?

New SaxonySo, what you'll hear sometimes is people saying, "for the record" before they say what they're going to say. Now, I know that in Congress and other similar instutitions around the world, a variety of people will say, "for the record", due to there actually being a record of everything that's said...

 
@Færd Those are also important problems.
But consider this. In 2016, Trump won 48.9% of all votes cast either for him or for Clinton. So, yes, it is a minority rule, but it's almost a majority. The difference between 48.9% (minority) and 50.1% (majority) is great in principle, but is it really the main issue in the American political system? It is a matter of a few percentage points. Clinton got fewer than 50% of total votes cast as well.
Both houses of their parliament also usually get pretty close to 50%.
I agree with you that the country will demographically force the Republicana party to alter its course drastically fairly soon.
 
 
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8:03 PM
You'd think eating more than zero people should be prohibited but it's East Asia, you never know
 
8:15 PM
@Cerberus Yes, it's not a very small minority. But if it happens repeatedly that they win elections they should've lost because of unfair advantages (which has been and is likely to be the case for the Reps), then those advantages will be a fateful ones. And they will be able to use them to perfect their anti-democratic methods and further hold political sway over all branches of the government despite their shrinking base.
This problem is manifest more clearly in the Senate:
> [By 2040] 30 percent of the population of the country will control 68 percent of the seats in the U.S. Senate. Or, more starkly, half the population of the country will control 84 percent of those seats. His tweet goes further, suggesting that the demographics of those states will differ from the larger states, as well, and, therefore, so will their politics.
 
 
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9:16 PM
@Færd It is a problem, but I think the other problem is more fundamental, and a bigger problem.
@Færd Yes, their senate is a somewhat bigger problem, potentially.
For the time being, though, the senate is not extremely far off from the popular vote yet.
 
@Cerberus What are you talking about? California has two senators for 39.5 million people. Wyoming has two senators for 570 thousand people.
 
@Robusto Yes, but the senate is 50% Democrat.
So it's not extremely far off from the popular vote in the grand total.
 
@Cerberus It should be more.
 
Besides, senates are often meant to be less democratic, as a counterweight to national elections.
Which is not necessarily always a problem, but it can be one if there is extreme polarisation.
 
It is at the core of the problem.
The voting system in this country is unfair, and getting even more unfair.
It's more than the numbers Trump got would indicate.
 

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