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Robusto

12:04 AM

@skillpatrol Why am I not surprised?

skillpatrol

Nor I, pal.

Robusto

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skillpatrol

12:20 AM

It will always be a given fact, for most of Trump's supporters, that there is no vaccine for their long held racist views. @Robusto

Robusto

Yup.

Cerberus

12:38 AM

@Robusto I saw in this video that cyclists in America are 30 times as likely to be injured, compared with Holland.

So that may partly explain why the need for helmets is felt less here (even though it might still prevent some injuries).

Cycling in the US from a Dutch perspective

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Robusto

@Cerberus Probably. You do all your riding on bike-only routes at low speed. Plus the cars are more careful about cyclists than they are here. In this land of macho men, cyclists are pussies who should just get out of the way.

Cerberus

Yeah.

The chicken and the egg.

The video gives some examples and perhaps some explanations.

Cerberus

12:57 AM

Cycling helped.

Robusto

How did cycling help?

Cerberus

@Robusto Well, cycling made traffic safer in general.

People on bikes are less likely to kill others.

Robusto

True.

Cerberus

And the infrastructure required for cycling makes everything safer for pedestrians and cyclists: cars get less space and must go slower.

tchrist

Oh I thought it was because the kids on bikes could get away from the cars better.

Robusto

1:05 AM

Does "infra" mean infrastructure?

Cerberus

@tchrist That, too.

@Robusto Yeah, I have never heard that abbreviation before.

tchrist

I don't know. I simply never walk where there are cars. Freaks me out a little unless they're few and far between.

Cerberus

Freaks you out, because you are afraid they might hit you?

tchrist

Yes.

Jasper

When I have a black screen and then a white screen and the black takes a long time to change to white, is that called a long response time? What if the black doesn't change to white completely? Is that a bug?

tchrist

1:06 AM

I have the loud-noise cowering reaction to trains speeding by me.

Cerberus

If the streets, and especially the junctions, are constructed well, they are safe for pedestrians and bicycles.

tchrist

@Jasper Black screens matter.

Cerberus

With lots of speed-bumps and round-abouts.

Junction design in the Netherlands

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tchrist

And crossing guards.

Robusto

@Cerberus See, the problem with cities like Chicago is that six months out of the year cycling is crazy bad. Ice, snow, freezing cold, gale-force winds, etc.

I used to ride my bike down the lakefront to go to work, and even that was perilous. Especially in summer, when everyone and their kids were out running heedlessly into your way. On a BIKE PATH.

tchrist

1:09 AM

Footgoers need their own paths.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yeah, that doesn't help.

tchrist

Also, horses.

Cerberus

But you can still make traffic safer for pedestrians and cyclists when they do use the roads.

America is getting there.

Robusto

Going home one night in the spring in Chicago I encountered 30+ mph (~50+ kph) headwinds and it was all I could do to grind each pedal stroke in my lowest gear.

Cerberus

We have wind, too.

Snow can be cleared.

Robusto

1:11 AM

But there's a fundamental misunderstanding in that video. It's really talking about bikes as commuting and general transportation, while I think of them as sport and exercise. That's why I have a racing bike, and why I put in so much time on it.

Cerberus

But extreme cold and lots of hills may scare off cyclists.

Robusto

@Cerberus Sometimes. But even when it's cleared you still don't get it all, and then there's melt and refreeze, which means slick icy pavement.

Cerberus

@Robusto The video does mention that difference?

tchrist

Why does that make it look like the bikes are running over the people?

Robusto

@Cerberus They are really speaking from a commuting/basic-transportation perspective.

Cerberus

1:14 AM

@Robusto I would rather say, the video is advocating that perspective.

Robusto

That kind of snow in Holland? ^^

tchrist

@Cerberus And ice? Everywhere? I had between 14 and 15 feet of snow this winter. Many were the would-be bike trails that were impassable during this time.

Robusto

@Cerberus My point.

That's me on a winter ride where I live now. ^_^

Cerberus

@Robusto I would say never.

@tchrist Yeah, extreme weather can be a problem.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yeah. I just couldn't face any more of those winters.

Cerberus

1:21 AM

@Robusto Yay.

I wonder where these differences come from.

tchrist

Well, we normally get 10 feet; this was more than normal.

So 10 feet of snow isn't extreme. It's the norm, the average.

Cerberus

Why so few accidents with drunken drivers in Russia?

Robusto

@Cerberus Can't get their cars started?

Cerberus

@tchrist Well, from the perspective of cycling (and even of driving a car?), days with weather like that would count as extreme weather.

@Robusto Hah.

Robusto

Or else they get so hammered they just can't find their car keys?

But drunk driving is definitely a problem in the US. Partly it's the laws. People are driving after three, four, sometimes even five DWI convictions.

The laws are on the books, they just don't get enforced.

tchrist

1:27 AM

Cerberus

Oh.

That helps.

Cycling in the snow, Utrecht (Netherlands)

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Mild snow.

Robusto

Very.

Cerberus

But everyone is already going slower and paying extra attention.

Robusto

@tchrist They need that here.

tchrist

lifesafer.com/blog/sweden-figured-drunk-driving

> Drinking and Driving: A Different Culture
What stands in stark contrast with America’s attitude toward drinking and driving is that in Sweden, it is not done. There is no, “I just had one beer” or “I can handle it.” If you have had alcohol, you don’t drive. The legal blood alcohol concentration (BAC) limit in Sweden is .02, as opposed to the US and UK’s .08. It’s well known that drivers with a BAC of .05 are impaired, and that fact is not disputed in Sweden, as it is here.

Drinking and Driving: Different Laws

> If one has any doubts that laws can directly affect road safety, consider this: about 3 percent of Sweden’s road fatalities involved alcohol. In the US, it’s ten times that: about a third.

Robusto

1:31 AM

@tchrist Yes. And they call it what it is, a crime. Here it's more like an indiscretion.

Cerberus

Valpartijen in verraderlijk gladde ochtendspits

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Ice is the worst...

You can cycle on 10 cm of snow.

Robusto

@tchrist Can you imagine the pushback from Faux News if people started getting penalties like Sweden's for drunk driving? "Nanny state! Waaaah!"

Cerberus

Just go slow, because you can't very well see what's underneath the snow.

tchrist

Norway Just Fined a 22 Year Old $30K for Drunk Driving- Should the US Hike Our Fines Too?

@Cerberus Four inches is four fingers; it barely counts.

In Japan: Driving Under the Influence (DUI), for a BAC of .03 to .07999, calls for a maximum prison sentence of three years or a fine of about $4,400 or less.

Robusto

@Cerberus I wouldn't. And I don't have to. We get measurable snow one to three times per year, and it's gone in a day. As soon as the sun comes out, which is usually the next day.

Or the same day even.

Cerberus

1:37 AM

@tchrist Yeah, so I would imagine your government should clear the snow from all roads and cycle paths when that happens, or people will jump into their cars on those days.

@Robusto If you don't need to go places, then of course why would you?

Robusto

@Cerberus Because I like to ride.

My body and mind feel better and are better when I ride.

tchrist

> Columbia

If a driver is found to be driving with 20–39 mg/100 ml ethanol in blood (equivalent to 0.02–0.039% BAC), the driver is to have their license suspended for a year, pay a fine of US$914 (as of 22 December 2013), and serve twenty hours of community service. In the most extreme cases, if a driver is found to be driving with grade three alcohol (150 mg/100 ml ethanol in blood), the driver is to have their licence confiscated for ten years, pay a fine of US$7,314 (as of 22 December 2013), and serve fifty hours of community service. If the driver gets in an accident and causes injurie…

Just have to switch the fine to scale to their income, and that's good.

Cerberus

@Robusto I mean, when there is snow.

@tchrist They have that in some Scandinavian countries.

By the way, when people cycle with their babies or toddlers, how are they seated on the bike?

Front or back?

I guess here both ways are common.

tchrist

They aren't.

Robusto

@Cerberus Usually I see them on the bike path being towed in a little baby trailer.

tchrist

1:43 AM

They're toted along in a wagon.

Robusto

Jinx, kinda.

Cerberus

@Robusto Ah, we have those, too, but they are less common.

Cycling with babies and toddlers in The Netherlands

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tchrist

A baby chariot, with a one-horse engine.

Cerberus

Fun!

Robusto

I used to have a baby seat on the back of one of my bikes, but it always scared me and I seldom used it.

When my kids were little I didn't bike much at all.

Cerberus

1:44 AM

Hmm.

Robusto

@tchrist: What score did you get on the Tolkien character/antidepressants test?

tchrist

Robusto

This ^

tchrist

@Robusto I got a couple wrong, because I recognized really all the Tolkien refs but the few drugs with duplicate morphologies were duplicitous.

Robusto

Yeah. There were some surprises.

Cerberus

1:48 AM

A couple, even!

tchrist

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Future Events vs Past Events With both these verbs, insist and suggest, the particular inflection you choose for that second verb which they control triggers a dramatic shift in meaning that alternates between possible future events yet to pass and definite past events that are already done and ...

Is that an ELL question?

Clearly it was a question from an ELL, but still.

It has two proofreading votes and two general reference votes, but no migrate-to-ELL votes.

I suppose I can always still migrate it if it gets closed for whatever other reason.

Cerberus

I think migrating it to ELL should be fine.

tchrist

Thanks.

The user's public profile lists "Russian Federation" for his location. I felt like he's going to be concerned with the real/unreal distinctions involved because of how Russian grammar works, but the other two answers came nowhere near mentioning that.

Oh, he doesn't have an ELL account.

He's clearly concerned about the verbs in subordinate clauses:

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Listening to a song, I've met one interesting sentence with indirect speech, but it's a song. An author can use whatever words he needs to get into rhyme, so I want to ask if this is right to write like in that case. There're two examples (the first one was in the song, the second one is that how...

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@Robusto How are your Indians?

Says Navajo Nation has 5,730 cases.

Don't know about the others.

tchrist

2:22 AM

Oh wow I just saw a cycler cruise by at high velocity with two kids in an attached trailer pretty tight, and quite brightly lit now at dusk.

Cerberus

Hmm was it a safe, straight road?

tchrist

@Cerberus Road??

This was in the public open space / commons area that my cats think is their back yard.

Cerberus

@tchrist What kind of space is that?

Sand?

tchrist

There's a paved sidewalk cutting its diagonal, and sloping very slightly downhilll.

Cerberus

Grass?

A paved square?

tchrist

2:35 AM

Um.

No.

Short-grass prairie.

Cerberus

OK, so a paved sidewalk.

tchrist

Yes.

Cerberus

As long as the pavement is level, and she could see there was no traffic to collide with, a high speed should be safe?

tchrist

Yes, but I was surprised. She was in quite a hurry.

Cerberus

Ah, OK.

tchrist

2:38 AM

The solid green lines are pavement/sidewalk, the dotted ones unpaved/trail.

Cerberus

Looks like a nice shortcut.

tchrist

Yes, it cuts down to the road.

As you see, there are many alternatives to streets here.

For cyclists.

And of course the rest of us.

This of course gives no indication of how pretty it is.

@Cerberus Look here

That's my "neighborhood".

With topograpic indications, and a few pictures.

If you zoom out a bit, you'll see how "liminal" an area I live in.

Cerberus

Great hills!

tchrist

Great? Mighty! :)

Cerberus

The limen of the mountains?

I remember that, from when we discussed flooding.

tchrist

2:53 AM

They stand around a kilofoot above me, directly to my west.

Cerberus

I saw the view in Maps.

Elevation truly adds depths to a landscape.

tchrist

Everything to my immediate west is awesome in the original sense of that word.

And the other rural parts of the county even where it's flat are nice too.

Cerberus

I believe it.

Robusto

3:17 AM

@tchrist The Navajo counties are hardest hit, by far. More than half of NM cases are in two counties.

tchrist

As Colorado eases coronavirus restrictions, Ute Mountain Ute and Southern Ute tribal councils have voted to maintain strict protective measures.

Robusto

A wise policy.

tchrist

Very.

At least somebody isn't an idiot.

> Casinos, hotels and restaurants remain shuttered. Roadblock checkpoints limit comings and goings from the Ute Mountain Ute reservation. Food is being distributed to tribal members to lessen the need for shopping trips. Tribal publications and social media are filled with coronavirus information for members.

And tribes are stressing the protection of elders who are most susceptible to the virus: they are considered the tribes’ most valuable members because of their cultural and linguistic knowledge.

It's not looking good for our neighbors in Arizona.

Robusto

Yeah. And those people are expendable to Trump. "Who cares if a bunch of old people die, just so long as I get reelected."

tchrist

All people are expendable to him.

Robusto

3:22 AM

Also: "Who cares about Covid-19? It mostly kills non-whites. Win!"

tchrist

I noticed that.

Robusto

Yeah. Talk about a motivational "dead zone" for Republicans.

tchrist

Hope you don't have the type A antigen on the surface of your red blood cells. This virus likes it so much it increases your risk of needing the ICU by 50%.

I'm a blood-type-A male. It's automatically bad.

Robusto

@tchrist O+ here.

Cerberus

Hmm I really have no what type I am.

Robusto

3:26 AM

It's useful information.

tchrist

Mom's O+ so the universal blood recipient, Dad had AB+ so was the universal plasma donor.

Cerberus

> Uit twee Chinese studies blijkt dat bloedgroep A ietsje vaker voorkomt bij mensen besmet met het coronavirus en bloedgroep O ietsje minder vaak, in vergelijking met een niet-besmette controlegroep. De verschillen zijn mogelijk toevallig en bovendien niet relevant. Iedereen, ongeacht de bloedgroep, moet de opgelegde maatregelen zo goed mogelijk volgen.

This says "ietsje".

But it's not about intensive care.

Robusto

I have a RideID bracelet I wear with, among other things, my blood type on it. You never know when a few seconds might mean the difference.

tchrist

Oh let me find the English article.

nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/…

> Having Type A blood was linked to a 50 percent increase in the likelihood that a patient would need to get oxygen or to go on a ventilator, according to the new study.

Cerberus

Oh, my article was actually from March.

tchrist

3:29 AM

That's when the Chinese reports about this first began to emerge.

Robusto

Is that for all A types, including AB?

tchrist

55% of our deaths are male, 45% female.

Robusto

Here's the county breakdown of cases for NM:

cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/…

tchrist

I grabbed my data from our state site: covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data

Robusto

Yeah, you got hit way worse than we did.

tchrist

3:35 AM

Cerberus

Are you past the peak now?

tchrist

@Robusto First it hit the ski areas with the jetsetters, and of course the Denver airport they went through, but then it hit the slaughterhouse counties in the northeast. And everywhere the elder care facilities. And prisons.

Robusto

Yeah. Prisons and federal detention centers for "illegals" are among the worst cases here.

tchrist

@Cerberus Maybe? It's not a steep drop. And the many thousands of protesters in Denver will have caused a serious spread.

Robusto

Otero County on the border.

New Mexico state health officials on Friday announced 331 additional positive tests for COVID-19. Per the state Department of Health, the most recent cases are:

19 new cases in Bernalillo County
4 new cases in Cibola County
5 new cases in Curry County
28 new cases in Doña Ana County
2 new cases in Eddy County
3 new cases in Lea County
2 new cases in Luna County
77 new cases in McKinley County
2 new cases in Otero County
2 new cases in Rio Arriba County
2 new cases in Sandoval County
52 new cases in San Juan County

tchrist

3:37 AM

Robusto

That's the latest day's results.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yeah, those demonstrations are pretty bad.

tchrist

Boulder County added 4 cases today, and 1 death.

Robusto

Our state apparently doesn't have access to Excel for plotting.

Cerberus

@Robusto But I think deaths or hospitalizations are more significant.

Robusto

3:38 AM

I'm in Sandoval County, and we have two or three new cases a day. Sometimes none.

Cerberus

Intensive care.

Robusto

From those numbers see if you can figure out which are the Navajo counties.

Cerberus

Our partial lockdown began mid March.

tchrist

@Robusto Yes, we don't always have new cases in Boulder County.

Cerberus

Robusto

3:40 AM

At its worst I think we had six or eight cases a day.

Cerberus

New deaths (daily), new hospitalisations (daily).

tchrist

@Robusto But we self-isolated extremely early. The phone data proves we all locked ourselves at home the moment that Silicon Valley first did.

Cerberus

Good.

tchrist

@Cerberus Oh that's a wee tail there.

Cerberus

Yeah.

tchrist

3:41 AM

So in Boulder County we all locked ourselves at home weeks before the order was given.

Cerberus

But we have had some American-copycat demonstrations here as well.

So we could get a new outbreak.

tchrist

But that's because so many of us have white-collar jobs, so were able to do so.

Robusto

@tchrist Same here. It was really grim for a while, didn't even go to the store for a couple weeks.

Cerberus

Yeah, having an office job really helps.

tchrist

@Robusto I go to the grocery store only every two weeks, very first thing Sunday morning, and wear an N95 mask while there. I don't go other places.

Robusto

3:42 AM

Working from home has been long established in the tech world, so unless you're in a lab, like my son, it's never strictly necessary to be physically present.

tchrist

Six King Soopers (read: Kroger company) in the Denver area have outbreaks.

Robusto

@tchrist Now that everyone's supposed to wear a mask, I don't worry too much about it.

@tchrist Kroger is Albertson's down here.

tchrist

@Robusto I'm glad that here that's both required and respected. Mom was really upset yesterday that the Lake Geneva city council just voted down doing so this week.

Robusto

Wisconsin ...

My brother has a friend from northern Wisconsin, and he is the archetypal Trump voter.

tchrist

Pity about the Farm-Labor Party.

We don't have a labor party in America, of course.

Either you vote for the Polite-Right Party.

Or you vote for the Proto-Fascists. Those are the only choices.

Robusto

3:46 AM

So ... right wing or extreme right wing.

tchrist

Yes, the Polite-Right or the Monsters.

Did you see Colbert's inverview with Booker last night?

(I'm just now watching it. Funny.)

Robusto

No.

tchrist

Sen. Cory Booker Talks Race, Empathy, And His Legislation To Stop Abuses Of Power By Law Enforcem…

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I laughed when Colbert hid his bag of weed.

Robusto

Heh.

tchrist

Of course the extreme left can also be destructive, without being fascists.

Robusto

3:49 AM

Can't remember if I linked that already.

tchrist

This is different though, from the civil rights marches and Vietnam war marches of the late 60s and early 70s.

Even though that's our nearest yardstick for measuring.

Robusto

Different how?

tchrist

What's different is that there are a lot of white folks marching for civil rights now, and it's all over the country, indeed all over the world.

Robusto

Whites were marching for civil rights in the '60s. I was. It was my baptism into this whole thing.

tchrist

It's really the right not be shamelessly abused, violated, and murdered by the Gestapo.

Robusto

3:52 AM

And riots, don't forget the riots after King was assassinated.

tchrist

that's the civil right they're talking about.

And yes, that was bad.

It's the first of those that I remember.

Cerberus

@Robusto I really wonder how that happened.

Robusto

There were machine guns on Jeeps patrolling the Miracle Mile.

Cerberus

Why did a left-wing party never become prominent?

Robusto

Beats me.

tchrist

3:53 AM

Money talks.

Cerberus

Perhaps because the bipartisan system (winner take all) is too rigid for that to happen?

Robusto

I was at the demonstrations at the Democratic Convention in '68. I thought it was going to be a good time.

tchrist

@Robusto It did spill into Geneva. There was a commuter train they rode on up on, and busted some shops.

@Cerberus I'm not completely sure that that is why. But I don't have well developed thoughts on the matter either.

Cerberus

I think it is a factor.

tchrist

But Labor has been put down here, seriously.

Robusto

3:56 AM

I wound up fleeing Grant Park as fast as my legs could carry me. I hid in some shrubs whenever I saw a cop car go by, that's how bad it was. Once when I was hiding behind a mailbox two cop cars stopped near me on Rush Street and had a conversation. I distinctly remember hearing one say "There's some niggers we can get over on Division and Clark."

Cerberus

But money and extremely well organised large companies could be another.

tchrist

@Robusto Yes. That's how they talked then.

Cerberus

And perhaps the Frontier Mentality (the burden of history).

Each shall fend for himself.

tchrist

The proto-fascists have spent decades crushing the unions.

Robusto

I mean, look at it. This is more than 50 years later and we're still dealing with this shit.

All so billionaires can become trillionaires.

I'm getting all worked up now. Dammit, I need to relax so I can go to bed.

tchrist

3:58 AM

Roosevelt's New Deal was in part a reaction to the awfulness of the Great Depression, and all the protests and uprisings.

Robusto

It was absolutely a reaction to that.

tchrist

But he had to compromise with the Slaver South and not give protections to domestic or agricultural workers, because the South refused to allow the Black Man anything.

Nothing changes.

The Wobblies.

Robusto

Well, it took until 1950 for the Supreme Court to reverse Plessy v. Ferguson.

Some 60 years later?

tchrist

yeah

I have no hope that the current stooges will do anything helpful, only harmful.

Robusto

Correct.

Look, as much fun as it is talking about the destruction of our country, I do have to get to bed. So I'll see y'all on the flip side. Be well, and let's hope for better days ahead. Let's hope January 20 next year will be a day of rejoicing.

Night all!

tchrist

4:04 AM

Night. Don't watch any cop shows.

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Cerberus

4:19 AM

Adios!

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5:00 AM

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Captain Bohemian

5:20 AM

A horse can gallop, canter, trot or walk.

I feel antipathy toward that lascivious man, who is also a frequent smoker.

"The man was lascivious, sexually perverted and insatiable."

"eluding the lubricious embraces of her employer"

That lascivious man always embraces you in a lubricious way.

Captain Bohemian

5:57 AM

how do you hold up under hunger?

Hypocrite made meretricious rationalization for his obscene act.

what the police or the statue can do for you is very limited.

so you'd better try to protect yourself rather than count on the police or the statue.

I mean statute.

what the police or the statute can do for you is very limited.

so you'd better try to protect yourself rather than count on the police or the statute.

"Throughout the empire a lubricious glaze of venality came to coat every governmental surface" (Cullen Murphy).

"lubricious" here means "Having a slippery or smooth quality"

tchrist

6:37 AM

Lubricant, lubricated

Lube

Captain Bohemian

A FURIOUS MIND

7:04 AM

People die of hunger every day.

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11:14 AM

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skullpatrol

1:14 PM

M.A.R.

2:19 PM

@tchrist Not all of Hollywood of course.

The Place Beyond The Pines

Rampart

Maybe a few other things. And these deal with it ethically and morally, not like some random dumb movie with stereotypes

But yeah, I guess the TV shows unanimously praise cops

Robusto

2:31 PM

You want to talk leadership?

Here was a leader:

Leadership

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tchrist

> Asked about her political views by the Valley Advocate, Maddow replied, "I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform."

Robusto

Ayup.

Jim Jefferies - Donald Trump - Full Length Official Clip -- From Freedumb Netflix Special

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tchrist

That looks unsettling.

Robusto

"If you've ever said the sentence, 'He's a straight talker,' you're dumb as shit."

tchrist

This was a surprise: last night

> DENVER -- A federal judge has temporarily banned the Denver Police Department from using tear gas, pepper balls or "projectiles of any kind" against peaceful protesters, declaring in a blistering ruling the department "failed in its duty to police its own."

thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/denver/…

Robusto

2:38 PM

Nice.

But just wait till the Supremes get a hold of it.

tchrist

The order's only good for a fortnight. I would be amazed if it could percolate up through to them during that time-frame.

Robusto

It could have a longer tail than that.

tchrist

Yes, these emergency orders are often taken up and extended.

> DENVER – Colorado Gov. Jared Polis signed an executive order Thursday that gives private businesses the right to deny admittance or service to any person who tries to enter their business without a mask or face covering.

They will also be able to remove any person who fails to wear a face covering or mask as long as the person does not have a condition that keeps them from doing so, according to the order.

This is what happens when your state for the first time ever elects a Jewish person to be its governor.

Or maybe it's because he used to run a greeting-card company.

Robusto

Not sure what that means, exactly.

tchrist

It's to show how easy it is to attribute spurious "secret" reasons lurking behind simple actions from straightforward actors as a form of conspiracy mongering. Those are negative portrayals of the classes mentioned.

> Colorado’s first Jewish governor tearfully responds to Republican leader comparing stay-at-home orders to Nazism
‘As a Jewish American who lost family in the Holocaust, I’m offended by any comparison to Nazism,’ says Jared Polis

He replaced Mark Udall as Boulder's congressional representative in the U.S. Congress.

I've always liked the Udalls, and was rather angry when he lost his U.S. Senate seat in the first Obama midterms, being replaced by the awful Cory Gardner.

Polis is also our first gay governor as well. I find it a testament to our times that this is mentioned only occasionally.

Robusto

2:53 PM

@tchrist Probably because it is, as it should be, no big deal.

tchrist

He's a rich businessman, as, apparently are they all, and perhaps that explains why I didn't always agree with Polis’s votes in Congress. This wasn't the case for Udall: a blind and semilengthy issue questionnaire I filled out calculated that my views were stastically most in line with Udall based on voting record. I found that somewhat pleasing, since he was my US Rep then.

Polis has done a good enough job as governor, reacting early and reasonably to the pandemic.

He never moved into the governor's mansion, keeping his horse-ranch home here in Boulder County just north of me as his family's residence. He overnights at the mansion on occasion when the legislature is in session.

Before the pandemic, you could bump into him in public, doing whatever families do, like shopping at the grocery store.

Our other famous resident, however, is unfortunately Justice Smiling Liar.

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