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12:01 AM
I’m sorry, but all caps offends me. :)
 
crl
El subjuntivo no significa nada por sí mismo sino que necesita un contexto para poder ser descifrado
 
Right.
Although descifrado made me laugh.
 
12:29 AM
@tchrist ¿Y a vos qué carajo te importa?
I learned some slang. :)
 
12:53 AM
@tchrist OK OK. I agree. It's complicated!
 
@Robusto Vos’ll ruin vos’s Spanish. Just vos wait and see.
 
crl
1:24 AM
how my connect4 looks like so far jsbin.com/yafana/1/edit?js,output
 
1:53 AM
@tchrist I got that from the movie. I guess they use vos in Argentina.
 
Yes, it’s one of their two most distinguishing features. The other is the pronunciation of y/ll.
After that, it's little things, like che all over the place.
 
They also say chau, I suppose like Italian ciao.
 
Yes, that's right.
 
I guess they use che the way we use dude.
 
At least.
 
1:57 AM
The kid says mañana like m'yana
 
heh
Che (Spanish pronunciation: [tʃe], Portuguese: tchê, IPA: [ˈtʃe]; Valencian: xe, IPA: [ˈtʃe]) is a Spanish diminutive interjection (a vocative expression) commonly used in Valencian Community, Argentina and Uruguay. It is a form of colloquial slang used in a vocative sense as "friend", and thus loosely corresponds to expressions such as "mate", "pal", "man", "bro", or "dude", as used by various English speakers. As a result, it may be used either before or after a phrase: "Man, this is some good beer", or "Let's go get a beer, bro." It can be added to an explicit vocative to call the attention...
 
Dude, I nailed it.
 
crl
is che related to chaval?
 
chaval
But probably not.
> The exact origin of che is unclear, and possibly derived from several indigenous South American languages:
In Guaraní che means simply "I" or "my".[1]
In Tehuelche and Puelche che means "man".[1]
In Mapudungun che means "people".
Other linguists[who?] theorize that the word che is derived from the archaic Spanish word ce, used to call someone's attention. Another theory connects it with the Italian greeting "ciao", or word "cioè", meaning "that is".[citation needed] Because of the large presence of Venetian immigrants in Argentina, che could perhaps derive from "ciò", an interiection comm
 
I have to say, I do like me some South American music.
 
crl
1:58 AM
a ti te gustas a manu chao? No Sudamericano pero bueno
 
Sure, he does.
Wait, you confuse me.
He pleases me.
I don't please myself to him. :)
Él me gusta a mí.
El tío que me está gustando es Manu Chau.
Mi piace molto.
Same thingy.
The thing is pleasing to you.
Do you please my sister? Is my sister pleasing to you? These are important questions not to get wrong. :)
Me encanta.
Me pregunto si a Robusto le gustas tú.
Spanish flight.
I wonder whether you please Robusto.
"are pleasing to"
"Like" is a foreign word to them. :)
Me da gusto ver este nuevo interés. Me da asco pensar en lo demás.
 
crl
si, entiendo ahora, a alguien le gusta hacer/algo
 
Right.
It's a weirdness.
 
crl
it's like: 'Mon chien me manque' = I'm missing my dog = me falta a mi perro (a lo mejor)
 
You can use querer or amar and other such in the normal way, but not gustar, which flips around.
Right.
Chiens can manque à toi too I think.
 
2:10 AM
In German it's das gefällt mir.
 
dative
 
In Japanese it's sore ga suki desu. それがすきです。
 
Spanish is either extrañar or echar de menos, but doesn't need reversal.
Also añorar.
Añoro a mi novia.
Añoranza is missing (someone/thing).
Regular language is echar de menos. Añorar is a bit pretty.
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Q: añorar vs extrañar

SebasI was wondering if there were any difference between these two verbs, especially in their usual respective contexts. Bonus point for pointing out differences between Argentina and Spain as well (if any!).

 
¿Macarena?
 
2:17 AM
No es macarena.
 
I never expected saudades da macarena.
No, parece que no.
 
I like me a good samba.
 
Ha umas palavras? Não sei a lírica.
I have no idea what some of those words mean. Calangulango
> Calangulango es como el movimiento del baie o danza folclórica que es el calango
Silly people, can't even spell right.
That would be why I don't know some of these.
> Rojão es un baile (rápido) del nordeste brasileño, además es un tipo de canción donde se cuenta una historia siempre de un hecho muy valiente y corajoso
They still can’t spell right.
 
@tchrist Capitalism?
 
Cupidity.
 
2:25 AM
@tchrist There's this dance in the middle of the film where they sing Dioses de amor respondanme / Dioses de amor contestenme.
 
Never a lovely thing to behold.
@Robusto Cupid was a god of love, but cupidity is ugly.
 
I wonder if respondanme and contestenme are two-word amalgams. Or is it some grammatical feature as yet unknown to me.
 
Oh, you have to spell them right. :)
 
I'm doing this from memory.
 
Repóndanme, contéstenme.
 
2:27 AM
Is it an amalgam like conmigo?
 
@tchrist I don't understand what they're saying: it makes no sense to say that loca should be masculine. It's neuter. The masculine word locus just happens to have a (collective, optional) plural that is neuter (which happens to a handful of nouns). Unless this is about Vulgar or Mediaeval Latin?
 
For non-finite forms (infinitives and gerunds) you use enclitic pronouns not proclitic ones.
Well, and for imperatives.
@Cerberus Yes, it was about Vulgar Latin.
 
I also don't understand why they say loca *magni: they know this is not possible, so what is it about?
Oh, I see.
 
@Robusto No, you paste the pronoun on the end of a command.
 
The plural loca is old, though. It's not new.
 
2:28 AM
What does it mean?
I mean, other than loci.
 
Note also that, in Greek, plural neuter gets a singular verb.
@tchrist As far as I know, the same as what they mention in their text, collective plural.
 
@Rob Dímelo is tell me it.
@Cerberus I see. Well maybe they are on to something.
 
I cannot speak for Vulgar Latin.
 
@Rob You probably don't know imperatives.
 
I believe, though, that the feminine ending -a and the plural neuter ending -a are hypothesised to have been one and the same suffix in Proto-Indo-European, indicating collectiveness.
 
2:30 AM
Oh, that's interesting.
 
@tchrist Not yet.
 
As seen in Greek ta metaphusika estin...
 
@Robusto Except for tú (and vos) imperatives, just switch the stem vowel, then put any pronouns at the end.
 
And in feminine abstract suffixes, such as hysteria, independentia, etc. etc.
 
Yes, that's true.
 
2:32 AM
Ninguna tierra sin música
 
Ninguna?
 
So it is possible that the reverse development, back to collective -a, took place in late Antiquity.
 
No hay ninguna tierra que no tenga música.
 
@tchrist Mejor.
 
Sí.
 
2:32 AM
But collective -a in loca has always been there, as far as I know.
 
@tchrist Btw, the closed captions indicate (tocando música) and (sonando música), depending.
 
> lŏcus (old form stlocus, like stlis for lis, Quint. 1, 4, 16), i, m. (lŏcum , i, n., Inscr. ap. Grut. 129, 14; plur. loci, single places; loca, places connected with each other, a region; cf. Krebs, Antibarb. p. 666 sq., and I.v. infra)
 
@Robusto playing or sounding
 
As you see, loca has no periodic limitation.
 
"places connected with each other"
Living the vida loca. :)
 
2:35 AM
A neuter locum even existed, but it must be extremely rare: they mention an inscription.
 
@tchrist That's what I understood them to mean.
 
Locum may have been a hypercorrection/backformation.
Or not.
 
It's hard to know what a Roman who intentionally made something a 2nd decl neuter like that out of a 2 masc would have being trying to indicate/imply.
@Robusto Me suena bien = Sounds good to me.
If the music is being played by people, it is tocando. If it is just playing in the background, it is sonando. If people are playing games, they are jugando.
This should shed a new light on what a toccata is for you.
Since toccare and tocar are cognate.
 
@tchrist Well, you need to engage in extensive comparative literary analysis, we philologists do.
 
Me duele la cabeza.
 
2:39 AM
@tchrist I've been familiar with what toccata means for a long time. It is the complement to sonata.
 
When they present their evidence in an article or monography, it's usually quite convincing, even though you would have thought it unprovable.
 
Their job is to sell their ideas.
 
In commentaries, though, there is usually little argumentation for their comparisons, which often makes them less convincing to me, even though they may be convincing if I knew all their arguments.
Well, sell?
 
Convince.
Persuade.
 
Well, in that sense, yes, but it's science.
Selling the opposite is no less rewarding, if you come up with an argumentation.
 
2:41 AM
@Rob Sounds are sonidos, not *suenos BTW.
Too much interference with sueños dreams.
@Cerberus You make it sound like a debate not a discovery of truth.
Interference breeds differentiation. They no longer cook things in Mexico as a result.
 
This is wrong and, to state it more bluntly, it is nonsense. — Robusto 11 secs ago
 
Cooking and sewing are cocer y coser. Because the Mexicans are seseo speakers, they homophonize those poor words, so they have replaced the first with cocinar, which has more of a sense of preparing something than merely heating it up.
 
I hear my gutters creaking from the weight of the ice dams. Gutters to mend come spring, yes?
 
If it does.
 
Well, we had better hope it does.
 
2:46 AM
A Dream of Spring.
Don’t hold your breath. Martin may not last that long.
Why so much ice, not snow?
 
Snow on the roof melts, then refreezes.
 
@tchrist It is both.
"Truth" is a vague notion.
 
I am bored. Otiose, muchachos.
 
I do see icy stalactites depending from my neighbors’ rooves.
 
+1 While "singular they" has existed for a long while, it was, I believe, uncommon, and always deplored by purists. It is now less common, but still advised against by purists. As you say, it sounds inconsistent, and submitting to political correctness is cowardice. I sometimes let one slip, but I generally refuse to use "singular they". — Cerberus 1 min ago
 
2:49 AM
Randy has just come in smelling like a campfire or fireplace!!
 
@Cerberus Did you mean "It is now less uncommon . . ."?
 
This one I have to figure out. Calling the neighbor to see if he was visiting them and they were burning wood in the fireplace.
 
@Robusto Oops! Yes.
 
See what a good friend I am?
 
Quite!
I am glad you indirectly support the right cause.
 
2:56 AM
Neighbors I thought he was at have a gas-insert, not real wood. For Pete's sake it's only 15 degrees. Silly kitty. And I know he cannot have been out all that time, more than two hours, after dark in the cold. He did not come home cold. He was warm and smelled of wood-smoke. Now I have a real mystery.
I should walk around the neighborhood and sniff.
@Cerberus Every day this year I shall remind you that water freezes at your age.
This has been a public service announcement.
Expect to be served again.
 
Haha.
 
Did you know it is virtually impossible to get a good cup of tea while camping in Colorado? At 10 kilofeet, water boils at 100C - 10 = 90C.
No nirvana for tea lovers.
(The formula is 100 – 1C per thousand feet of altitude.)
 
I would die.
 
My mother hates it. She actually seems to boil her tea here, because pouring boiling water on the tea bag isn't good enough.
And getting a pressure cooker just to make tea seems a bit extreme.
I don’t know what liquid water under pressure and over normal boiling, like say 250F, would do to tea.
But when you find out, do please let me know.
I figure the Atlantic should be a safe enough buffer in case things don't go well.
You do know about all the severe domestic injuries now caused by superheated water now, right?
You can microwave water above the boiling point. Then you take it out and it explosively changes state.
> Superheating can occur when an undisturbed container of water is heated in a microwave oven. When the container is removed, the water still appears to be below the boiling point. However, once the water is disturbed, some of it violently flashes to steam, potentially spraying boiling water out of the container.[3] The boiling can be triggered by jostling the cup, inserting a stirring device, or adding a substance like instant coffee or sugar.
It's usually the instant coffee or sugar that triggers it, in my personal experience.
This article is about the phenomenon where a liquid can exist in a metastable state above its boiling point. See superheated water for pressurized water above 100˚C. See superheater for the device used in steam engines. In physics, superheating (sometimes referred to as boiling retardation, or boiling delay) is the phenomenon in which a liquid is heated to a temperature higher than its boiling point, without boiling. Superheating is achieved by heating a homogeneous substance in a clean container, free of nucleation sites, while taking care not to disturb the liquid. == Cause == Water is said...
 
 
2 hours later…
5:37 AM
Which of the following is correct usage?

1) the keys present in the box are considered.

2) the keys present in the box is considered.
 
 
4 hours later…
10:03 AM
> The iconic Flatirons of Boulder, Colorado, on Monday morning, February 23. Although much of the western U.S. is dealing with drought, Boulder is having a record-snowy February, with 38.4" recorded through Monday morning at the local COOP observing station on the NIST/NOAA campus. Boulder snow records go back to 1899, with reliable COOP station data beginning in 1990. Image credit: Joshua Wurman, Center for Severe Weather Research.
So 38.4" is your record for February? Pfft.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:22 AM
posted on February 24, 2015 by sgdi

With this one I’ll cut to the chase I killed the monster with a mace It must have been sick I felled it so quick A look of surprise crossed its face

 
 
1 hour later…
12:47 PM
If Dieter is a dieter, he must diet lest he die.
 
The same goes for Liver.
 
Liver must liver?
I think liver is livery, but that doesn't mean it will drive me to the airport.
 
Liver lives in Livermore.
 
1:02 PM
I thought it was Liverpool.
 
he moved
because it wasn't lively enough
 
Whuh?
@Robusto That's because March is our snowiest month. It is lovely though, isn’t it?
 
1:18 PM
@tchrist Holy crap! waits for @Cerberus to experiment
 
Hi guys :-)
 
Hi.
What's the number of the day?
 
@tchrist My parents on their honeymoon tried to negotiate the Rockies in June, and had to turn back because Rabbit Ears Pass was closed due to snow. ^_^
 
nice!
Why?
 
1:21 PM
24 is 42 spelled backwards.
 
No no no no no no.
 
backwards is backwards spelled forwards
 
54.
Not 24.
 
I'm talking decimal
 
you and your bases
we're speaking baseless
 
1:22 PM
You have no basis for that.
 
You haven't covered all your bases.
 
Basil might disagree.
 
% perl -MTime::localtime -E 'say localtime->yday'
54
 
Basil is a spicy fellow.
 
Cinnamon has herbal notes
 
1:24 PM
Odd chord.
 
Frank is a hot dog.
 
@Mitch That’s a spicious argument.
 
Timothy likes grass.
 
Did.
 
Ken knows.
Barb is very sharp.
Bill can be expensive.
 
1:25 PM
@tchrist An argument for one pair is a disagreement for another.
 
@Mitch ¡Lárgate de mí, perra!
 
"Mark came back," he remarked.
 
"Tom Swifties are lame", Robert, the guy with no arms and no legs, bobbed.
 
Randy is horny.
 
"This is just filler", Tom turkeyed.
 
1:28 PM
Les is more.
 
Well, fewer actually.
 
Viola gets played a lot.
 
La.
 
@Robusto As useful as pissing in a viola.
 
If you want to get a job in an orchestra, learn the viola. Least glamor, most dependable employment.
 
1:31 PM
"Least expectations" By Timmy Dickens.
 
The reason is, nobody grows up wanting to be a viola player. They're all violinists who converted later in life.
 
@Robusto Awe not you too!? Glamour is the last word to retain its u in American English!
 
Me tou?
I think that ship has sailed, actually.
 
What, your toes aren't exciting enough?
 
I disbelieve.
Glamour is nothing at all like the ones we struck the u's out of.
 
1:32 PM
Well, Firefox spellcheck squiggles glamour.
 
I smell NGrams.
 
It’s Scottish!
It isn’t French.
 
Really, I do. Kinda funky.
 
Grammary glamoury.
 
Glamour leads by a fair margin.
 
1:33 PM
@tchrist Next thing you'll say is that whisky galore is Irish.
 
@Robusto I should think so!
 
I actually started typing glamour, but was touted off it by the squiggles.
 
What’s next to get pulled, the boys in the harbor?
You trust software to spell better than you do?
 
But (and it's a big one) 'glamor' is not infinitesimal as I might have expected.
 
Those buoys are different.
I sometimes find myself typing "flambuoyant" . . .
 
1:35 PM
@Mitch The unlettered now selfpublish. This does not make them autodidacts. Nor models we should follow.
 
@Robusto I've never had that trouble. That word is not in my vocabulary. Like snow. Or is it failure?
 
Flame-on, flame-off.
 
Snow is nature's way of saying "You fail!"
 
@tchrist well, yes on autodidacts.
 
And farting is just nature's way of offending the people in the car with you.
 
1:36 PM
@Robusto Snow is nature's way of making rain look good the first day but worse for the 3 following months.
 
Snow is a death sentence for optimism.
 
@Robusto If nature had meant for us to drive in cars, she wouldn't have given us the ability to fart.
@Robusto buried under 3 feet.
 
I don’t trust the people making software about English to be better at programming than I am at English, let alone that they're better at English than I am, which is another matter altogether. They probably aren’t better programmers than I am, either, or they wouldn’t make such stoopid misteaks.
 
I believe you mean "programmar" . . .
 
@tchrist What's funny is that programmers are, despite all the corporate role hierarchies, usually decide these things.
 
1:38 PM
A programmer is not pro grammar.
 
Safari doesn’t squiggle glamour.
 
chrome neither
 
And the people who think things should be programed need offing.
 
Well, fuck me for using Firefox.
 
Any port.
In a storm.
 
1:39 PM
@tchrist Safari doesn't squiggle glamor either.
 
@tchrist that needs a software to fix it.
 
@Robusto I knew that. :)
 
In any case, glamor is at least a variant spelling. So I still get a hundred on this test.
 
Deviant.
For spelling divas.
 
What do you expect from open-source software?
 
1:41 PM
Algo que funcione.
 
@tchrist I've never met more than one diva at a time to need to spell it.
 
Preferring functioning algorithms to nonfunctioning ones. Or aunties.
 
@tchrist I thought snow had already buried optimism.
 
@Robusto Not only can you blame the open source software itself but the principle of open-source.
 
Today is dawning as beautiful as ever a day has dawned.
It shall be glorious.
The sky is utterly spotless.
 
1:42 PM
You're so high, can't you see the dawn before we do?
 
@Mitch Alpenglow.
Aurora's rosy-orange fingers are clawing their way up out of Mother Night’s well as we speak. The peaks are painted with the color of hope and joy.
Plus we're going to crack freezing before we get hit again tomorrow.
 
Aurora's blood-orange fingers are clawing their way up out of Mother Night’s grave as we speak. The peaks are painted with the color of anger and despair.
 
It’s currently only 18 — Aurora is a frosty diva — but should be 45–50 later on today.
 
Mmm...blood-oranges... so thirst quenching.
@tchrist That's bad for the pipes
 
@Mitch No it isn’t. We aren’t idiot Texans here.
 
1:46 PM
Hey...Danny Boy...wait up!
 
We actually bury our pipes here.
 
@tchrist You let them drip all the time?
Oh
 
Where the fuck do you live that they don’t bury pipes!?!?!?!?!?
I’ve only seen that in Texas.
And I don’t think Texas is in Eastern Time.
 
@tchrist what, they just lay them across the ground?
 
As it were. Worse is that they run them up through the outside walls of the house, and use no insulation.
Burst pipes are a perennial problem anywhere north of Austin.
Which is a whole lottawhere.
What happened to Europe this morning?
Did they cut the cable?
 
1:50 PM
internet connection problems?
 
2:04 PM
Why isn’t there such a thing as quaternary education? However will we manage to the Pleistocene rewilding without that knowledge?
 
@tchrist I wish Scotland would do that.
@tchrist Isn't that what the quadrivium was all about?
 
@Robusto Oh, is that what they’re teaching at Quaternity College these days?
 
2:20 PM
It's telling that knowledge of the quadrivium should be considered trivia these days.
 
2:41 PM
posted on February 24, 2015 by sgdi

A horse with a stone in its shoe Didn’t know quite what to do It whinnied and neighed And rolled in some hay In the end it got turned into glue

 
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Q: Could you help me to give me a suitable English name?

davideveryone.I come from China. I found a good name is friendly for communication on the Internet. Could you help me a good English name? In our country, My first name is Wenhui, last name is Zhuang. I'm good for programming.

What do you think? Winnie-the-Pooh suitable enough? It's English as hell.
 
He already chose 'david'. So I'm guessing he wants one of those newfangled names like SpiceMaster or Emprass or Omfug
 
3:06 PM
Or he could try David 2: Electric Boogaloo.
 
3:19 PM
2 for short
 
3:34 PM
wearing a sling is good if you have a broken elbow
 
DOS 2: Electric Boogaloo
 
@MattE.Эллен Hi.
 
4:14 PM
@JohanLarsson Those graphs are telling me you should spend more. I can send you a bill for the remainder.
@MattE.Эллен bettern slinging your arrows if you have outrageous fortune
 
@Mitch I wasn't carrying arrows... maybe that was the problem
 
Sometimes, this making fun of nonnative speakers seems a bit mean.
 
VS why are you so white?
And with a blue turd circling above you.
 
Using text browser shows the true nature of new journalism. http://t.co/QMicD7hAi2
 
@MattE.Эллен Probably good advice: don't walk with arrows if you're going to break your elbow. I bet @medica gets those cases every weekend
 
4:23 PM
lol
 
@ABeautifulMind Which making fun? @Robusto has only been learning Spanish for 2 weeks. He's fair game, pendejo.
 
@Mitch Just talking about David.
 
@ABeautifulMind I go by this axiom: If you can't laugh at yourself, you might as well laugh at someone else.
 
@ABeautifulMind The dude asking about an English name? I didn't see anyone making fun.
But apropos of something, why are people such idiots?
@Robusto ha ha ha.
 
@Mitch so we look clever by comparison
 
4:28 PM
I didn't ask or want them to be idiots. They did it with no prompting at all. I'd prefer that they stop, also with no prompting at all.
 
so you'd like to seem more average?
 
@MattE.Эллен you don't use lynx? cuts out all the crap.
 
no. I like pictures of kittens
 
@MattE.Эллен I'm more average than the next guy.
@MattE.Эллен kittens are cute. But not as cute as puppies.
 
@Mitch two legs good, two legs bad!
@Mitch not as cute, cuter
 
4:36 PM
@MattE.Эллен Right, not cuter than puppies.
@MattE.Эллен Which is it? make up your mind!
 
2 hours ago, by Robusto
What do you think? Winnie-the-Pooh suitable enough? It's English as hell.
 
OK here's a new pet peeve of mine. what's with the young whippersnappers and their txtspeak and 'xD'? (it's the 'xD' that bugs the old crap out of me) 'x' doesn't look like eyes. If it does then they probably need to see @medica. immediately.
 
Have you met me?
 
@Robusto I've met Chinese dudes with the English name Winnie. Sounds weird.
@Robusto Kids can be cruel. I remember the kids on the bus used to call this one girl Amtrak, because (they said) she was so ugly it looked like she had been hit by a train.
laughs Children are adorkable.
 
4:54 PM
What is a good name for the textalignment in the gauge to the right? /cc @tchrist
 
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