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2:00 PM
"Est tu", non?
 
Hmm. I can't remember if I conjugated pouvoir correctly.
@MattE.Эллен I don't know. Bits of Spanish are getting stuck in there.
 
How many languages do you know, and to what level roughly @KitZ.Fox?
 
Tu es ma grandemarie. Elle est ma grandmarie.
 
You are my grandmother, she is my grandmother?
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Well. There's English; I'm pretty good at that. I used to be fluent in French, but I've forgotten a great deal of it. I have also forgotten a considerable amount of Chinese, which I was advanced intermediate in.
 
2:03 PM
I think most people want to learn other languages, but never have enough motivation to actually do it. I.e. they want the result but not to put in the effort. That's where I fall right now.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot More like "Grammy" or "Nana" but yes.
I've also studied quite a bit of Spanish, a little German, a tiny bit of Italian, Latin, and Irish.
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot The easiest way is to find some people who speak it and just start speaking it.
 
Maybe you can be a SE moderator of all of these as they pop into existence.
@KitZ.Fox That would be great :D.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Yeah, no. One site is enough.
 
Chinese is hard. They have a different word for everything.
 
So does French?
And pretty much every other language...
 
2:06 PM
half their words are the same
for chinese it's everything
 
Chinese is very simple grammarwise, so you can just focus on the vocabulary.
 
And writing the characters is much harder @Mitch
 
there are more words than there are grammar rules.
except for Russian. They have more grammar rules than words themselves
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot the characters is like learning an entirely 2nd language
 
Learning the characters is not bad.
 
@Mitch I wonder if I even have the finger precision to write their characters
 
2:08 PM
There are a lot of common elements.
 
The first few hundred, every single one is its own new thing.
 
No, that's not true.
 
then you start to see patterns in the more complex ones, the phonetic/meaning bi-characters.
Then you realize that's hardly a rule, just a vague idea.
 
Once you learn the most common radicals, the rest gets easier pretty fast.
True that you have to memorize the character, but usually it's something like "three drops of water tree" not like 17 separate strokes.
 
它看起來很複雜,說實話。
 
2:11 PM
The Chinese will eventually give up characters because they are the greatest barrier to 1) literacy and (at a much different level) 2) usability of computers. Pin yin or bust
 
It see what [something] [something] speech.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 could read that better than me.
 
"It looks very complicated, to be honest." :D
 
@KitZ.Fox sure it's not chaos, there's a pattern to the strokes. but little more than remembering permutations.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Must be google translated.
 
Or however close Google got to that.
 
2:12 PM
山毛榉树香蕉裤
 
Beech tree banana pants
 
nice!
I have a pair of those
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot correct!
 
@MattE.Эллен I am so good at this!
 
I used Google translate
 
2:13 PM
Mountain feather something something.
 
@MattE.Эллен Same :D
 
at least google translate is consistent both ways
 
These are really bad translations.
 
I have no idea what it really means, but Google is at least consistent, going back and forth, if not accurate
@Mitch jinx!
 
2:14 PM
I remember not too long ago someone had created a website that allowed you to put in a sentence, and it would translate it to Japanaese and back to English using googletrnaslate
 
I'll ask one of my Chinese friends just for a laugh.
 
and it would see at what point the translation-and-back would stop changing. basically the translation fixed point.
often around 5
cycle distance?
 
That sounds cool.
 
metric
 
2:17 PM
Norm
 
Cycle Distance -- a new thriller from Kit Fox. Coming November 2018.
 
((9*8)/5) Km
 
The shocking sequel to And Then There Was Cake, released November 2017.
2
 
$\frac{9\times 8}{5}\, \text{Km}$
 
Oh we don't have LaTeX up in here, do we?
 
2:18 PM
we sure don't
 
@KitZ.Fox the protagonist goes back and forth between hero and anti-hero. Same with the antagonist.
 
There's a script
jinx
 
"need" is subjective ;)
 
@KitZ.Fox THanks for reminding me... 2nd breakfast...
 
2:19 PM
After installing that, we can start doing some Galois theory :D.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot wait, you have to install that yourself? Why des it work by default over at math.SE?
 
@MattE.Эллен It makes it so pretty though.
@Mitch They installed it separate for chat.
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Galois? Pfft...overrated.
 
@Mitch It doesn't. You just drag that into your bookmark bar and click it once every time you go to the chat page.
 
I used to have a button for it. It must be on my desktop, not my laptop
 
2:20 PM
@Mitch I should say, they can set up the sites differently, but chat rooms are harder.
 
@Mitch $\Bbb R[i]\cong \Bbb C$
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot OMG..I have to do something? But if they can make it happen without 'doing something', why not just have that already done here?
 
because, as Reg would point out, it's hella slow
 
1st principle of UX: Don't make me think
 
@Mitch They just haven't bothered. They would have to apply it for all chat pages apparently, and that would be processing expensive for no gain.
 
2:21 PM
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot I'm just going to read the latex straight.
 
You have to click, literally one button on your bookmark bar lol.
 
@Mitch think fast! throws knives towards Mitch
 
@Mitch render it in ur head, bro!
 
@I'mmostlyjustanidiot no gain? we should only communicate through math.
 
2:22 PM
$\overset{\psi:X\to Y}{\frac{2\sqrt{\langle x,y\rangle}}{\int_0^1 f(t)x(t) dt}}\mapsto x^2$
 
then our religious wars would be so much more deadly because everybody would know that their own gods were exactly correct.
 
Oh! Oh! The answer is 4!
@Mitch They'd be arguing over which one was the problem previously demonstrated.
 
@MattE.Эллен pulls knife out of shoulder
pulls knife out of thigh
 
@Mitch You like the UX of knives?
 
"No! Your god reduces to a solution previously demonstrated by my god."
 
2:24 PM
brushes trimmed ear hair off of lapel
@KitZ.Fox I know. I think grunting is more ... expressive.
@MattE.Эллен No. It makes me... nervous
 
@Mitch but the handles are so intuitive!
and the pointy ends are easy to use, too
 
@KitZ.Fox Pfft, your god is going down a dead end of irrelevancy, might as well be recreational.
 
gasp
Recreational maths!? There ought to be laws against such things.
 
I know. It hurts to see the truth.
 
You may only practice maths if you have a licence and have taken a course in responsible use of maths. And then there's a ten day cooling off period before you can write your first proof
 
2:28 PM
hahaha
 
No, I don't think we should stop such things. They're very good for getting involved children and slow uneducated adults.
@MattE.Эллен the way it is now, it seems like fornever that that happens.
old man on porch grumbles
proof is almost ignored, too much trouble, just getting the slow children of slow alumni to be able to write a greek letter outside of frat parties is hard enough.
 
We were discussing the trouble with transitioning to standards-based learning just this morning.
The focus was on maths.
 
για σου
I'm hungry and I have no food. BBL
 
@MattE.Эллен They say a sharp knife is much safer than a dull one. I don't know. If I slip with the sharp one, I guess the sliced off part of my finger will be easier to put back on?
 
Which is that my eldest is measured for his "evidence report" (formerly known as a report card) against the 2nd grade standards, which he meets.
 
2:32 PM
Lawn clippings are only useful for mulch guys.
 
@KitZ.Fox woo hoo!
@Tonepoet That's racist
 
@Mitch Well yes, except that he's well past that, and is in a group of advanced math learners and still ends up learning from worksheets instead of with peers.
 
@KitZ.Fox I don't know. measuring things is in a very general sense better than not knowing.
 
I'll race you Mitch...
 
It's good that they are moving him up once he meets the standard. The problem is that they haven't figured out how to make the peer-group education thing work yet.
 
2:34 PM
@KitZ.Fox well, then, he has a way to progress and the 'measuring isn't getting in the way.
 
Right. But it's confusing, not just to us, but to other parents.
 
@Tonepoet ha ha. wait...are you running already?
 
I want to know where he is relative to himself. What is he working on? What has he recently mastered? I know he's met all the standards for second grade--so where is he then?
@Mitch No, you're missing what I'm saying. It's a "peer group" but they aren't actually his peers. He's ahead of them as well. He should be up two grades, with the advanced fourth graders.
 
@Mitch No, I'm driving. This is a N.A.S.C.A.R. race. =P
 
@KitZ.Fox Oh. well, start giving him puzzle books. Martin Gardner and such.
 
2:38 PM
Yeah. He doesn't need more worksheets.
 
@KitZ.Fox or always the next level workbook
oops...antijinx
 
He needs other kids who are at the same level and are excited to learn about math too.
 
@KitZ.Fox hm... I tend to think of math not as much of a social thing as an individual skill. and learning about it is individual. If there are other people of like mind then that's all the better, but not necessary.
 
@ Kilt Z. Fox I used to have Core Knowledge series books when I was younger. Those don't have any worksheets and they are fairly informative.
 
there's math camp, but that's for much older kids.
 
2:40 PM
@Mitch That's applicable for older children and adults, but at his age, sitting and reading educational texts is exhausting.
 
They kinda give a comprehensive abridgement of history and some abridgements of popular myths and stories.
 
@KitZ.Fox yeah. reading and writing is hard at that age.
 
Interesting. I'll look at those. He's read a whole bunch of myth books recently, and then started in on Revolutionary and Civil War histories.
 
is he beyond the magic tree house series?
 
He reads a ton, but it's recreational and sneaky-informative.
@Mitch He read one chapter and said "these are stupid" and wouldn't try them again.
 
2:42 PM
ha ha.
they are kinda
how about magic school bus. I liked those.
 
He is a sophisticated reader. He notices when an author is condescending.
 
maybe too much for 2nd grader.
 
He does like Magic School Bus, but he doesn't love them. He liked Encyclopedia Brown.
 
You'll have to explain that Pluto is no longer considered a planet if you have the kid watching the astronomy episode....
 
We've been over the planets many times.
The youngest is the one who likes astronomy best.
 
2:44 PM
the problem with astronomy is that it is cold at night.
and all the trees are in the way
 
The best time to stargaze is winter, and it is very cold here.
Early darkness is good for the small people though.
 
that too.
 
Maybe I will get him a telescope for Christmas.
 
do they have those electronics kits anymore?
isn't radio shack going out of business?
 
I'm getting something like that for the eldest. A soldering kit.
 
2:46 PM
There's arduino and raspberry pi, but that's for much older
 
Eh. Not so sure about that.
He is very surprising in his capabilities.
 
nice
 
The thing I worry about is that he is very hard on himself when he doesn't understand something right away.
 
trying hard is hard to learn
 
Yes. I didn't know how to learn things until college.
 
2:47 PM
me not even then.
 
Because I'd sit in class and whatever they taught stuck.
 
"what? you have to study?"
 
So I thought that was learning.
You said it, and I remembered it, and I can apply it, so I'm done.
 
@Mitch I think it's more like "I have to actually verify what you're telling me?"
 
I didn't learn the "how do I figure out what I need to remember" part.
 
2:49 PM
There was this guy, a journalist in soviet russia who was eidetic (Or whatever they call photographic memory)
 
Yeah, eidetic
 
and there was some question about one of his stories and his editor asked him for his notes and he said he didn't have any.
He didn't understand that everybody else took notes to remember the facts.
I don't get mnemonics. Why not just remember the list of things to begin with?
 
haha
 
@Tonepoet oh. well I didn't think they were lying.
 
Eheheh, I realized my supposition was too presumptuous when you mentioned remembering things. That is a skill I have yet to acquire...
 
2:59 PM
The trick (that I've read about but don't do) is to attach them to something visually striking.
kind of like that movie where the guy was playing who wants to be a bajillionaire but was able to answer all the questions correctly because each answer was attached to some life changing event in the back story.
SO he was lucky is all.
 
Yeah, you need a framework to hang things on.
Basically.
Once you understand how the pieces fit together, then you can forget things because you can always figure them out again later.
Like I have no idea how many electrons are in the outer orbital shell of beryllium, but I know how to figure it out, and what shape the orbital has, and how to figure out how many oxygen molecules it could bind to, and therefore what molecular shape the resulting compound would have and also how to name it.
 
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Is the training over @kit?
 
And also that all of those things are dependent somehow on how many electrons are in the outer orbital shell.
@JasperLoy Yes, it was over yesterday.
 
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My Firefox keeps asking me to get the iOS and Android version. Wonder if it is a bug.
 
That relates to what I was saying earlier in the sense of "what I need to figure out to remember" is how it works, not what it is. Memorizing the periodic table helps, but I can always look it up if I need to.
 
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3:07 PM
libebcnofnenamgalsipsclar
 
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That is how I memorised the first few elements.
 
lithium beryllium boron carbon nitrogen oxygen fluorine neon...
sodium magnesium aluminium silicon phosophorus sulfur chlorine argon
huh I know those. Didn't realize it.
 
@mitch Lying should probably be considered but it isn't the only way misinformation can be conveyed. Legitimate beliefs, even from the wisest among us, can be erroneous for a variety of reasons such as misinformation or faulty rationale.
 
@Tonepoet I don't believe you
 
You probably should not, since I am incredible.
 
3:13 PM
Awesome
 
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@Tonepoet What made you come to this chatroom?
 
Oh that. I got the Compact O.E.D. yesterday incredibly cheap. It was virtually a steal from a thrift store.
 
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@Tonepoet The compact version of the big OED?
 
@Tonepoet nice. with the magnifying glass?
 
3:18 PM
Yeah, that one. The lens wasn't in the slipcase drawer. It's the 12th printing from '76 so it's technically just the first edition though. I'm surprised at how much they skimped on x-z.
 
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I do not like etymologies. I do not like history.
 
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I slept a lot today. I slept 4 hours, then woke up, then slept 4 hours, then woke up, then slept 4 hours.
 
Perhaps you do not but everybody needs principles Jasper. =P
 
user174558
Principles? What kind of them?
 
@JasperLoy but that doesn't prevent you from liking a history of etymologies. well, actually, yeah it probably does.
 
3:22 PM
I suppose historical principles would be traditions, eh?
 
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Principal and principle always trips me up.
 
@JasperLoy 'Principles' sounds like a really good cafe drink, like a double shot macchiato with choco spinkles.
and coffee cake on the side.
 
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Principessa is a princess.
 
Which reminds me. I never liked coffee cake as a kid because I thought it had something to do with coffee which I know I didn't like.
All those missed years of coffee cake eating. so sad.
@JasperLoy I knew a princess once. She married into it. Well, I didn't really know her that well, just met her. She was nice I guess.
 
Principal and principle is a rather tricky one, which is not just because they are so similar but also because both words signify several different things which makes it difficult to establish a concise guideline.
 
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3:25 PM
I think I will try to use English to learn French up to C1 and then use French to learn German up to C1 using the Assimil products.
 
Geting up to C1 takes a while doesn't it?
Duolingo only claims getting A1, right?
and that takes a couple months
 
user174558
Anyway, these claims of getting to a level may or may not be true.
 
user174558
If one studies all day long, it will be very fast.
 
3:37 PM
Right
 
@Mitch omg me too. sooo sad.
 
Don't come down with the mubble-fubbles folks.
 
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4:05 PM
@KitZ.Fox I see you are a panda now. Fits well with my black square.
 
Why are you a black square @Jasper?
 
It's orange you fool @KitZ.Fox
 
user174558
@KitZ.Fox No particular reason. I just choose whichever colour I feel like.
 
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@DeltaEscher You must refresh!
 
@DeltaEscher Refresh your browser.
 
4:09 PM
is not current'
dleta is cri
 
user174558
@DeltaEscher Fits well with your black and white too!
 
In spirit of recent event, I also changed my picture
Enjoy
 
Aww. Why are you crying?
 
user174558
It's Fri here. I should go out for a walk tonight.
 
user174558
Wow, this black and white combo is really nice. Imagine if suddenly the entire SE changed to that!
 
4:18 PM
Terror would ensue
Fights would break out in the comments
There would be anarachy
I LOVE IT!
I feel as if no one really comes to rooms I'm in
There's about 13 users in the backlogs and I've only met five
 
@DeltaEscher wawa that already happens with color
 
user174558
There is a very good set of books to learn French, German, Italian and Spanish. It's the BBC Talk Complete French/German/Italian/Spanish series.
 
@JasperLoy Or Rosetta
 
Mitch is colourful.
 
It's a weird colorful
 
4:21 PM
I have all of them
 
I enjoy it
 
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@DeltaEscher I think Rosetta Stone sucks. It's just a bunch of pictures.
 
duolingo, livemocha, memrise
all good introductory
 
Rosetta stone is so boring I'd rather hit myself in the head with it than read it
 
@JasperLoy Well, the hieroglyphics are pictures, anyway.
 
4:22 PM
Going to start an online course in computer programming
 
Rosetta don't 'gamify' things
 
The process of it starting is agonizing
 
There should be a little bit of Greek lettering on it too Jasper.
 
user174558
I recommend Assimil, Teach Yourself, Colloquial, or BBC Talk.
 
I recommend being born in that culture and living there for 5 years.
 
4:23 PM
Retrograde Amnesia also helps
 
looks for that app
All apps do that
 
rimshot ensues
 
ha ha
 
My new icon refuses to load on this computer
It only shows my old one, which infuriates me
 
what is prograde amnesia? forgetting what you plan on doing?
 
4:25 PM
@Mitch Average American Joe
rimshot
 
milk of amnesia: after that you'll want to forget that you ever had it.
Jaegermeister and something else equally disgusting to mix with it.
 
I don't recall having it
 
ba dum tish!
irish cream liqueur... I don't feel so good.
 
the simplicity of that scares me @Mitch
 
It's also what Michael Jackson supposedly OD'd on.
Lesson learned.
@DeltaEscher you can refer to a specific comment by clicking the down arrow just to the left of a comment. that way, we'll know exactly to what you are referring... to.
 
I had Milk of Magnesia once. It was supposed to settle my stomach. I threw up on the carpet.
 
@AndrewLeach Maybe you had pure mint instead
That stuff is weird
 
@AndrewLeach I know. That stuff is nasty.
 
You know what's going to be fun?
 
4:38 PM
If one of the savage tribes had the right god
 
(I don't think it is live)
 
@Mitch my computer refuses to load that at school
 
for your later reference
 
4:58 PM
Ho hum.
Which is somewhere between ho ho ho and bah humbug.
 
Hello @MετάEd.
 
@KitZ.Fox What's new.
 
I'm thoroughly trained on teamwork.
And completely non-productive.
 
@KitZ.Fox you don't need to be productive, that's what your team is for!
 
yeah. the training put me in a very weird headspace.
 
5:02 PM
@KitZ.Fox Sounds like there was a consultant involved.
 
How did you know?
 
Ha!
 
Here's the funny part:
17 hours ago, by Kit Z. Fox
There were a bunch of scores that were supposed to tell you what kind of teammate you are, and apparently I rate high as "moderator".
 
@skillpatrol Nope, sorry.
 
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5:19 PM
It's about time the hats come.
 
Soon, @Jasper. They will be here soon.
 
user174558
Your panda is very cute.
 
@JasperLoy thank you
 
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I have yet to watch Schindler's List, even though it often has good rankings.
 
5:33 PM
It's very moving.
 
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I don't like that it is black and white.
 
user174558
But I have watched a few of this type.
 
huh. I don't remember it as black and white, but now you mention it, there was a scene with a girl wearing pink. That was significant.
Because it was the only color in the movie.
 
Shindler's Lift is very moving. Lots of highs and lows.
 
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Ah, Wikipedia says there are a few splashes of colour in it, weird.
 
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5:36 PM
This makes it extra weird.
 
@Matt I'm pretty sure I know what that Russian word means.
If only @Reg were here.
 
user174558
It means banana? LOL.
 
@KitZ.Fox yes, I mentioned in the TL
 
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@MattE.Эллен What would you look like if you made that pic black and white?
 
@JasperLoy I'll try and find out...
 
user174558
5:45 PM
Geezis Cries.
 
5:58 PM
Maybe @MattE.Эллен should make his California avatar B&W. We can have B&W day.
I kind of like the idea of the mod avatars matching in some way.
 
Damn.
That would look great with some hats all over it.
 
maybe when hats start, then
 
makes squinchy face
 
or what is your plan?
 
6:13 PM
Nothing.
OK. Really I was debating stealing your face.
 
I'm not sure if that would be funny or weird though.
I have been thinking about putting on a man face, see how people's reaction to me changes.
 
noöne at EL&U would know you looked like me
 
I do kinda look like you.
So it would only be a little fibbing.
yoink
 
6:33 PM
:D
 
Isn't that like the third or fourth time you've posted that?
 
You do need K. You don't need C.
Except then we need a new ch.
 
how do you spell chat without c?
jinx
 
crl
yes good point
 
6:48 PM
Oh. Probably ought to mark that NSFW?
Can't remember what the usual policy is.
 
crl
ban me!
 
Yeah. No.
 
crl
well I reposted it from JS chat, to see your reaction :)
 
That a lot of heavy weather and film editing over c,k, and s. FFS
 
Should have spelt it gnee.
@crl Mine particularly, or EL&U generally?
 
crl
6:54 PM
ah forgot the s, sorry, although I love you
 
I'm confused now.
It sounds like John Oliver summarizing Mark Twain's famous rant.
 
crl
confused people are adorable too
 
I like both of them, and British dialect makes it sound funnier and more posh.
 

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