English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Matt E. Эллен

12:06 AM

@tchrist good idea

tchrist

12:47 AM

Today on ELU we learned that porn begets even more porn.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm tempted to delete that answer as a dupe.

tchrist

The even-more-porn one?

I didn't check timestamps.

Oh right.

In honesty, I was expecting an -ing answer.

Kit Z. Fox

It's "reclining". I looked at the picture and thought "reclining" before I even read the question.

"Recumbent" is a kind of bike, not a pose.

tchrist

That's exactly the word I was expecting.

Cerberus

1:04 AM

The future seems bright.

tchrist

Saddens me.

Cerberus

@tchrist Why?

tchrist

Phone obsession. It's horrid.

Cerberus

@tchrist What is this about phones?

tchrist

The more battery handies have, the more people will immerse themselves in the unreal.

Basically, I'm tired of rudeness.

Cerberus

1:12 AM

This isn't about phones.

Yes, phones can use batteries, but so can electric cars, solar cells, and the power grid in general.

> “Using conservative assumptions and no incentives, our model indicates that the incremental cost of storage will decrease from ~14c/kWh today to ~2c/kWh within the next five years,” the report says. “When overall system cost decreases are considered, we believe solar + batteries will be a clear financial choice in mature solar markets in the future.”

> ...
One such project that was recently announced is a recent announcement by Swiss energy storage start-up Alevo Group that they will be entering into partnership with Customized Energy Solutions (CES) to deploy 200 MW of its lithium-ion-based battery systems in an undisclosed wholesale energy market in the United States.

The distributed storage projects are aimed at providing frequency regulation services through CES, which works with eight independent systems operators in North America. The battery storage projects will help the unnamed grid operator integrate renewable energy resource…

solartribune.com/solar-energy-storage-in-five-years

tchrist

Solar is good.

Cerberus

That's why I posted the decreasing cost of solar energy and of storing energy.

Some day, generating and storing solar power will beat fossil fuels.

When that say is, we do not know; but the graphs point into the right direction for all factors involved.

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox Holy Crap! When will they be in the stores?

Kit Z. Fox

1:27 AM

@Mitch Very likely never.

First draft for the first two, the third is in revision. Fourth isn't finished.

You can read the first two on my blog if you want. But seriously. They are first drafts.

Mitch

@tchrist Soon we'll be walking around, or rather recumbenting, in our VR helmets

@KitZ.Fox As long as it's out there at some point.

I heard that a few years ago (early 90s?) that WIlliam Gibson wrote a novel taht he put on a single 5 1/2 in floppy disk so that it would very soon become obsolete and unreadbale.

Kit Z. Fox

Sounds like a great plan.

tchrist

I have an unreachable world on magtapes.

Mitch

I have masterpieces I've written that are on inaccessible decommissioned servers.

When I say masterpieces, I mean copies of other people's.

Like project gutenberg

@tchrist I read that as 'unreachable word' and wondered which one.

I'm mostly just an idiot

3:27 AM

Does 'OK' as opposed to 'Okay' appear rude?

It seems like just saying "OK." is ruder than saying "Okay."

Kit Z. Fox

@I'mmostlyjustanidiot OK is the "correct" version.

"Okay" is an alternate spelling.

I can't remember if it's an urban legend, though. I believe OK was an acronym for "Oll Korrect".

We have a question about it on main.

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Q: Where did the term "OK/Okay" come from?

I've heard lots of varying histories of the term "OK". Is there any evidence of the true origin of the term?

etymology

You might be interested in this one:

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Q: Difference between "OK" and "okay"

While typing a post on SO, I noticed that the word "ok" (when used in the sentence "I'm still learning so it is ok") was marked as misspelled (got to love spellcheck!) The first suggestion, however, confused me. The suggestion was "OK" (as opposed to "ok"). Then I thought, what about "okay"? So,...

differences

I'm mostly just an idiot

Thanks @KitZ.Fox.

Kit Z. Fox

Sure thing.

There are quite a few questions about OK. It's a surprisingly rich subject.

I'm mostly just an idiot

@KitZ.Fox Is "Ha ha." Correct aswell, regardless that's a pretty funny thing to say :D.

Kit Z. Fox

Yes, you can say "ha ha" or "haha". Both are OK.

^ see what I did there?

I'm mostly just an idiot

3:41 AM

OK :).

I definitely did Ha Ha.

The user @Mitch caused the latter question: chat.stackexchange.com/….

Kit Z. Fox

Yes, he prefers to type his laughs rather than use "lol".

Which is rather charming and old-fashioned.

I prefer typing my laughs as well.

I'm mostly just an idiot

I prefer 'haha' to Ha Ha, which sounds sarcastic to me.

Although my Ha Ha above wasn't intended to be sarcastic.

I was just trying to get a feel for it :D.

Kit Z. Fox

I understand.

I'm off to bed. Good night to you.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: I wonder comment on the 3 things left by Peter Bardsley on english.stackexchange.com

Mitch

@I'mmostlyjustanidiot it's barely an interjection, you can write it however you feel.

There's no good onomatopoia for crying however. If there were I'd use it a lot more.

Please add to the following:

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Q: Latin words borrowed from Roman occupation?

English has a lot of words borrowed from Latin. The great majority were borrowed in the 14- and 1500's from Church/Medieval Latin, a huge influx via educated neologism. I'd like to know if there are any more words that were borrowed into English directly via Vulgar Latin and not through Old Fren...

etymology latin old-english

I'm mostly just an idiot

3:58 AM

@Mitch Wow, I had never though about that.

@KitZ.Fox Good night to you too.(Is the second with double 'o' correct?)

Mitch

Mar 24 '13 at 18:57, by Mitch

ha ha ha. he says humorlessly

@I'mmostlyjustanidiot sobs uncontrollably in hands

that's how I do it.

@I'mmostlyjustanidiot also good night

I'm mostly just an idiot

@Mitch sobs uncontrollably at the fact that @Mitch is leaving

Good night to you my good sir. @Mitch

I'm mostly just an idiot

8:33 AM

Question 1: Why do we say 'ear infection', rather than 'infection ear'? Why does putting ear at the end change it to 'infected ear'?

user174558

10:27 AM

@I'mmostlyjustanidiot Because that is the way English is.

I'm mostly just an idiot

@JasperLoy That's unsatisfying. Hey, you are blue now?

@JasperLoy I don't like this blue sorry.

Matt E. Эллен

11:07 AM

@I'mmostlyjustanidiot infected is a past participle, which can be used as an adjective. In English adjectives are put in front of the thing they are describing. In "ear infection" ear is used as an attributive noun, which is a type of adjective, so it goes ahead of the thing it's describing (the infection). In that instance ear is the sort of infection, like "cow milk" vs "goat milk". "Infection ear" would be a type of ear, but seems semantically odd.

Matt E. Эллен

1:25 PM

@Mitch wah wah wah

Mitch

1:50 PM

@MattE.Эллен Oh, you were cutting onion and hot peppers? I see that you have Oprah on.

@MattE.Эллен That would work except it also sounds too much like how Charlie Brown's teacher and other adults talk.

terdon

It's relatively common though. I would certainly understand it as crying.

Matt E. Эллен

@terdon but would you say it sounds like crying?

@Mitch sort of but I think it misses the nasality of peanut's adults

@Mitch free tears for everyone!

user174558

@MattE.Эллен Like I said, that's the way English is. =)

Matt E. Эллен

And you are the way Jasper Loy is :-p

user174558

Tomorrow is the first of December, yay! Christmas is coming!

terdon

1:54 PM

@MattE.Эллен Not really, no more than "cock-a-doodle-do" sounds like a cock crowing.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен um... that's what I thought I was talking about. but to play your game,I guess that should be wanh wanh wanh

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch I thought you were looking for a good onomatopoeia for crying?

Mitch

@terdon that's not how roosters crow. It's how they speak. Please, they have standards.

@MattE.Эллен I was and am and may very well use 'wa wa'

terdon

There's also boo-hoo. As in oh, boo-hoo!

Mitch

hm yes, but that's usually used...2nd order?

user174558

2:00 PM

Interesting that chat tells us to be nice and yet ignoring another is not nice.

Mitch

as in 'oh, you're acting all sad but I step on you, you cockroach'

Matt E. Эллен

@terdon I never did understand how "boo-hoo" sounds like crying.

Mitch

I feel like I heard something about ignoring. Oh well. How about them apples?

user174558

Therefore, I propose that the ignore feature be abolished.

terdon

@MattE.Эллен This from a native speaker of a language that seems to believe that pigs go oink.

Mitch

2:01 PM

@MattE.Эллен you should say the same thing about cockadoodledoo then, because all the roosters I know just have a high pitched cough.

@terdon again, from all the pigs I know and converse with on a daily basis, that is more high register, when speaking with the farmer. in the pig pen slopping around sure we... I mean they say much more informal things.

user174558

FF is about to reach 100k.

terdon

@Mitch Get yor snout out o me grub you fooker!

That sort of thing?

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch crying from babies somewhat resembles "wah wah". Crying for non-babies is more of a slobbering "uhuh huh huh" deep breath in "uhuh huh huh". I can't figure where the boo or hoo come from. A cock crow has the parts of "cock a doodle do", like "awk a yewka awk"

user174558

LOL. Rathony edited his profile and it still has errors.

Mitch

@terdon yes, with more grunting. Also, that's not my snout.

Matt E. Эллен

2:08 PM

@terdon hornk and oink aren't so different...

user174558

If English is his best language, then the rest must be really bad.

Mitch

@JasperLoy infectioneer. makes it sound so much more ... pleasant

Matt E. Эллен

or maybe that should be hrornk

Mitch

who says hrornk, or what ever that's supposed to be?

Matt E. Эллен

pigs

Mitch

2:09 PM

pigs. they would.

so piggy

Matt E. Эллен

with their piggy little eyes

Mitch

and piggy little nose

Matt E. Эллен

and piggy little tails

Mitch

ooh. that too

user174558

My desktop is very nice, but the speakers are spoilt. I need to use the laptop for sound.

Mitch

2:10 PM

Pink Floyd - Pigs (Three different Ones)

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sounds nothing like 'oink'

terdon

Precisely.

Matt E. Эллен

"boohoo" is apparently a Scottish invention

Mitch

That's racist

Matt E. Эллен

Says the multicoloured abstract pattern

Mitch

wa wa

@JasperLoy He says he's not a native speaker of English. Cut him some slack on that. About his attitude, that you can totally not cut him some slack.

Oh. Right. He says English is his best. Well, there's no accounting for reality

user174558

2:20 PM

@Mitch I suppose he is Japanese then.

Kit Z. Fox

2:55 PM

Good morning.

The best part about my husband being home is that he brings me breakfast while I'm working.

And makes me coffee.

Well.

Kit Z. Fox

3:10 PM

Morning @JohnB

JohnB

Hey Kit and all

Kit Z. Fox

How are things going for GD? Has it settled down at all?

JohnB

I think so, for the most part.

Kit Z. Fox

Good, glad to hear it. I read some of the Meta fallout. Looks like it got worked through at least. I mean, I was clear on the expectation by the time I got done.

Hopefully everyone else was as well.

user174558

Hello @KitZ.Fox! It's Dec tmr!

Kit Z. Fox

3:15 PM

Good evening to you, @Jasper.

user174558

3:41 PM

The most silly questions are found on Academia SE, LOL. It seems those people have no common sense to deal with students and professors.

Matt E. Эллен

students and professors have no common sense way to deal with each other

hi @Kit :D

user174558

I laugh when I look at some questions there. It is so funny.

Kit Z. Fox

Morning @Matt.

SmokeDetector

4:09 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: Origin of Fag in British English by Obsidian Phoenix on english.stackexchange.com

user174558

5:40 PM

I just watched Wrong Turn 2. Now for 3,4,5,6.

Kit Z. Fox

There are really that many?

user174558

Yes, all from the same site, LOL.

user174558

Someone takes a wrong turn in the road, meets some deformed people who eat humans.

user174558

Most people die, but there are one or two who escape.

user174558

Rather violent, not for children.

Ahmed Kamal

6:26 PM

hi

Kit Z. Fox

Hi.

Ahmed Kamal

is my reputation stops me from posting here ?

Kit Z. Fox

On EL&U, but you have enough reps on SO, I didn't realize when I commented on your post.

Ahmed Kamal

ok , anyway , thank you for helping me :D

Kit Z. Fox

Oh sure. You can ask that kind of thing in here anytime.

Ahmed Kamal

6:32 PM

thnks , BTW , can you rate my english ? good , bad? for non-natives of course

Kit Z. Fox

There is also an English Language Learners site and chat room, if you would feel more comfortable there.

Ahmed Kamal

Great (Y)

Kit Z. Fox

@AhmedKamal I haven't seen much of it. I would guess you are intermediate level.

Ooooh. Didn't realize it would do that.

The chat room is here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/22937/ells-cabin ... I think. There was something with two rooms for ELL, and I think that's the main chat.

Ahmed Kamal

thanks a lot

Christopher

8:10 PM

Any mods in?

@Matt E. Эллен not sure if its my browser/computer, but I can no longer use the @user function in comments? Is this a privilege and can it be taken away?

@Mitch can you help me please?

tchrist

8:30 PM

@Christopher What do you mean?

It is not a privilege.

And what do you mean you can no longer “use” it

Christopher

every time I write @user in a comment it saves my comment without the @user

tchrist

Are you answering the post author?

Christopher

Example I write "@user, an excellent quest...blah...", the comment that is displayed is ", an excellent quest...blah..." weird?