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@Cerberus Section 5 of Article 1 of the US Constitution specifically states: “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.” Thus each chamber is allowed to set its own rules as explicitly spelled out in the Constitution. Therefore, no, it cannot be unconstitutional, by definition.
And under Senate current rules, Senators elected by just 11% of the US populace can veto a bill ever being debated, let alone voted on. Yes, it is constitutional. Yes, it is ridiculous.
You will never get the judicial branch to step in and tell a different branch of government how it must govern its own internal affairs, especially when the Constitution says they get to do that, no matter what folly they should happen to devise.
And good luck getting a constitutional amendment through that strips the legislative branch of the right to govern themselves. It just could never happen.
 
 
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3:48 AM
I added a picture to my answer in meta (http://meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/5345/). It's too large. Googling how to change picture size, I found instructions for options I don't seem to have here (<img alt="picasa" border="0" src="https://sites.google.com/site/samplepicture.png"
width ="40px" height="40px">) I know we use HTML here. I'm sure this is risibly simple. If someone would be willing to give me advice on finding a means useful to this site, I'd be very grateful. Feel free to laugh. I think it's ridiculous, too. ')
 
 
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7:08 AM
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user116848
10:51 AM
Hi all!
 
11:48 AM
@medica We can't use HTML markup directly on this site. We have to use their version of markdown (for security reasons too complicated for me to go into here). The easiest thing for a layman to change a picture size is to perform the following steps:
 
@tchrist Okay, I see. Do you have a link that clearly explains the way those 11% work?
Very strange rules; who made those up? Can the senate change their own rules? Someone should organise a campaign...
 
1. Right-click on the image you found.
2. Choose "Open image in new tab" (or similar)
3. Use Control-Scroll to adjust the picture size to be smaller.
4. Use your screen-snap utility to save the smaller image to your hard drive.
5. Upload it where you want it.
Or just use this one.
@Cerberus Four fucking hours and you had to tween me just then? What, were you lying in wait?
 
Muwahaha.
Hey, you gave me a whole minute to destroy you.
 
You are truly a hellhound.
 
Thank you. I do what I can.
 
11:52 AM
@medica Why are they so crotchety?! Your answer was fun, including the silly colorful image. Yet you got 5 down votes... I remedied that insofar as I could as a sole user.
@Robusto Stunning, and safe!
 
But it made the clown puke. Literally, a technicolor yawn.
 
@Robusto Oooh, I found another good reason to be careful about Google ngram viewer usage. We talked about that in the past :o)
 
What reason is that?
 
grabs popcorn
 
@Robusto This! sappingattention.blogspot.com/2014/04/… "In other words, the entire 19th century sprang back into print."
 
11:59 AM
Good point. Me, I hate ngrams used to "prove" contentions.
You read my meta post on the subject, yes?
 
@Robusto You chose my answer on the subject ;O)
 
Ah, OK.
Sorry, didn't remember your name. We don't talk much in chat.
 
@Robusto I was Feral Oink.
 
Oh. That name I recall.
Anyway, going to get coffee.
 
@Mitch Are you in hearing range? TYou were my other ally in the fight against ngram viewer abuse.
 
12:07 PM
@Robusto Agreed.
@EllieKesselman Good one.
Hey, Feral Oink! I do know that name.
 
@Cerberus Oink ;O) Thank you!
@Cerberus Yay! Piggies rule! I remember you, sweet guard puppy.
 
Haha we're quite the zoo...
 
@Cerberus I am laughing now! I waas looking for others e.g. Mechanical Snail, but none are present, at the moment.
 
Hehe.
We also have Snailboat, and Reg, who is always one animal or other.
> But there's a track record of other publishers - most notably Kensington - allegedly filing fraudulent reports of copyright violations with Google, using its automatic processes to remove full-text editions of public domain works from Google Books. That leaves only the expensive print-on-demand editions for many titles.

So when I see a shady publisher slapping modern copyright dates on public domain works, and preventing anyone from seeing even snippets of the texts, I get very worried and very suspicious.
From the comments on the article about Biblio Bazaar. Very worrisome indeed.
 
@Cerberus Snails are nice. I vaguely recall Snailboat. There is Mr. Hen too, I think.
 
12:18 PM
Haha yes!
 
@Cerberus Yes. There have been very real repercussions, beyond SE.
 
@EllieKesselman Robusto was the leader. I agreed with the caution but still thought it was useful. Now with that sapping attention article... Holy crap it's all being flooded with.... crap?
 
@Mitch Well, it's complicated.... in a word, yes.
 
@EllieKesselman Luckily, we have the pirate sites.
Copyright is dead.
 
@Mitch Also, there are complicating caveats e.g. the release of version 2 of the corpus.
 
12:21 PM
It hinders and corrupts culture. And only the big block-busters profit much from it.
 
@Cerberus Copyright was a means for setting a benchmark, no, a period date though. With republishing, it makes historical usage comparisons much less meaningful.
 
What does copyright have to do with adding a date of publication to a book?
 
@Cerberus That isn't a value judgement, and Google ngram viewer is a cool but not essential tool.
 
In the defense of the publishers...
Hmmm...that's pretty tough.
 
@EllieKesselman What isn't? Yes, it is not essential.
 
12:27 PM
But it's intersting to note that more people are using thee and thou in the past couple years. Either Yorkshireman and Quakers are publishing more or the 17thc nerd revolution is coming.
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@Cerberus Copyright and republishing? That's why the entire 19th century sprang back into print, along with usage, according to the Google ngram viewer.
Google Books is the ngram viewer's fodder. There are other corpuses but they don't have handy viewers.
 
Ellie, why the name change? We need more wild pigs!
Or as much data
 
@Mitch I am glad you understand the full import of the article.
 
@Cerberus Each state gets 2 senators, no matter how many people live there. You just have to pick ones from unpopulous states to get to that 11%. It takes a vote of 61 of 100 to allow debate to continue, so 41 of 100 can block it.
 
@EllieKesselman Yes, but...what is your point, exactly?
 
12:31 PM
@Mitch I got tired of being described as an inquisitive fellow and realizing it was no one's fault but my own ;O)
 
Yes, they can change their own rules. Good luck with that.
 
@tchrist Oh, that. Why is that 61, not 51?
 
@Cerberus Are you being ironic?
 
Proportional elections would solve this problem btw.
@EllieKesselman Yes! I thought Mitch was, too.
 
@Cerberus I'm finding I'm using them more myself now. I thank thee for the compliment.
 
12:32 PM
Because they don’t believe in the tyranny of the majority.
 
@Cerberus Ngram viewer is unreliable now.
 
Count that Google!
 
@Mitch Thine example doth not fall on deaf mine ears.
 
The House has proportional representation. The House is a fucking mess, and the janitors are on strike.
 
@Cerberus Yes, he was.
 
12:33 PM
It is fake-proportional representation due to gerrymandering.
 
@Cerberus You both are. Bye for now.
 
@EllieKesselman I know. Even more so than before (and it was always quite unreliable: it was never useful as evidence except after doing a check-up through Google Books).
@EllieKesselman We are both what??
And you're right, that should have been thine.
Bye!
 
They changed some rules lately. A few things now allow 51.
 
@tchrist What?
@tchrist Not really proportional. Only a little bit more so than the senate, right?
 
50% + 1 means that the minority party has no power and might as well stay home.
 
12:36 PM
The nuclear option?
 
If you have winner-take all, which they have, it's not proportional.
@tchrist Well, they should.
 
That is not the position of the US Senate.
We do not believe in majoritarian tyranny.
 
For important changes to the law, such as the constitution, so-called qualitative majorities can be required, like 2/3. That is all fine and normal. But to debate about something? That doesn't make sense.
 
It’s because of the filibuster.
Which was once rare.
And is now used by default.
 
@tchrist It only exists because of the winner-take-all system. Remove that, and you will no longer have two parties, but many.
 
12:38 PM
It takes 61 to bust a filibuster.
The two parties will never ever allow that to happen.
That’s called suicide.
 
How does it work, and why don't they remove it?
 
One senator says I don’t want this discussed.
It takes 61 to overrule him.
It used to be 2/3.
The Senate was designed to work differently, you must understand, where people can take the time to think about things.
The House was designed to be where they don’t.
Due to 2-year fast-turnover in the House, and a 6-year term in the Senate.
This was all planned.
 
I don't understand why anyone would come up with a rule where one person can veto everything.
 
Ask Obama.
He can veto anything.
And is just one person.
Well, he can’t veto an internal rules change to the Senate.
He is not allowed.
But if it is 50/50, his vice president will break the tie in his favor.
A filibuster is a parliamentary procedure where debate is extended, allowing one or more members to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a given proposal. It is sometimes referred to as talking out a bill or talking a bill to death and characterised as a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body. The English term "filibuster" is derived from the Spanish filibustero, itself deriving originally from the Dutch vrijbuiter, "privateer, pirate, robber" (also the root of English "freebooter"). The Spanish form entered the English language in the 1850s, as applied to militar...
Senate filibusters began with Cato against Caesar.
 
Haha, so it is a Dutch word. My apologies.
 
12:46 PM
@Cerberus My dream never changes. It can be anything you want to see in it.
 
I choose to see an animal.
 
That is your prerogative.
What animal do you see?
An imaginary animal, like your own?
Or something else?
More lines!
Moar!
Or not.
 
I found a huge mess in our code.
Was gonna move some stuff but barrel of worms exploded in my face.
 
Why does that happen so much more than "I found a wonderfully concise little gem in our code"?
 
Maybe we are negative?
 
12:49 PM
gems are rare :)
 
Dunno. But I like to leave little pearls for future travelers to discover.
I love it when the comments explaining a function are longer than the function itself.
That is true only up to a certain number of lines, of course. You wouldn't want a 200-line comment explaining a 150-line function.
But ten or twelve lines of commentary to explain an eight-line function isn't bad.
 
Absolutely imaginary.
 
Comments are both good and bad. The best is if the code reads so well they are not needed.
 
If possible.
 
your ahk is like that right?
this guy lacks every sign of skill when it comes to generics and inheritance.
 
12:53 PM
@JohanLarsson Yes, but that's rarely the case. Also, what's readable to you may not be intuitive to someone else, or even to yourself later on.
 
I should post a pic of him and name him.
@Robusto valid points but the general idea still holds I think.
 
@JohanLarsson But there is the old saying, "When I'm right, no one remembers; when I'm wrong, no one forgets."
@JohanLarsson Of course.
 
@JohanLarsson Hmm like what? I guess Autohotkey has commands and syntax that are a little bit more readable than other languages.
@JohanLarsson Hmm then what did he do, or is that too complicated to explain in chat...
 
@Cerberus Huge bloat of code and duplication that generics should handle nicely. He even uses abuses generics.
And what he does with inheritance is wrong.
 
Hmm what are generics?
 
1:03 PM
List<T> means that the List type is a collection that can hold elements of any type.
Maybe a poor explanation.
 
Hmm.
 
1:47 PM
@Robusto gems, dunno if you speak enough C#
 
@JohanLarsson You don't need C#. That's a universal pattern I've used many, many times in the past.
Very useful for range inputs.
Like a slider that goes from 0-100 which can also be changed by entering values in text inputs.
 
The dumb is to use object
 
Ah. Well, can't speak to that. I did wonder, though.
 
huge anti-patterns in the samples
 
Q. When is a setter also a getter?
A. When it fetches the stick you throw.
@JohanLarsson In the gem you cite, why not put the logic directly in a setter for a variable int? If > maxVal = maxVal, < minVal = minVal (pseudocode).
 
1:57 PM
It is for a command implementation so a method is appropriate here.
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I have an Irish Red Setter. Have had two in my life.
 
Aren't all Irish setters red?
 
Gordon setter ^
English setter ^
 
Gordon and English ain't Irish.
 
Irish red and white setter
@Robusto I failed at reading sry.
 
Did not know about white Irish setter.
 
2:01 PM
* red & white it is not very common
*they are
*
 
@JohanLarsson Not sure what I'm looking at, but...I believe you when you say that the code was horrible.
 
2:21 PM
Two votes shy of 94k.
I need people to be generous for the next 6K of rep, so I can get to six figures without answering too many more questions. I'm tired of answering ELU questions. So tired . . .
 
I have only voted a couple of times on ELU, spam some answers you are proud of and I'll click the arrow if I understand and think they are good.
Short ones, not gonna read walls of text.
 
@Robusto Just answer the quick and fun ones.
Or do what I always do: start by writing up a comment, then feel forced to copy-paste it as an answer.
Like my last answer.
 
@JohanLarsson You can look at the fun ones on this list and decide for yourself.
@Cerberus None of them are fun anymore. I find answering questions to be odious because the questions themselves are usually so dumb. I feel like I'm slumming most of the time.
 
If you use an article with advice you have to use a counter:
wtf is an article
 
@Robusto Yes.
 
2:27 PM
@JohanLarsson An article is a part of speech: a, an, or the.
 
@Robusto I enjoyed typing up a short comment on an alternative to the past participle smitten.
 
user116848
I have a grammar question.
 
user116848
Is "are" okay here? I mean it is not necessary to use "were", right?
 
user116848
"This could be made a standing item on the agenda so that it would have to be considered before each time the assessments are made"
 
That is fine. But lose the before. You don't need it and it gets in the way.
 
2:29 PM
@Robusto how does it feel to chat with us?
 
Fine. Chatting is different.
 
user116848
@Robusto Thanks.
 
Strictly speaking, it should be were. But less formally, are is also fine.
 
user116848
@Cerberus nods--thanks.
 
I mean, look at the comment chain on this answer. Sometimes I throw up my hands in despair.
Especially the comments by AnWulf and FF.
People find some weird-ass synonym that NOBODY uses EVER and insist that is the word people should use. Mentoree my ass. I don't give a flying fuck in a rolling doughut what your NGrams show.
 
2:39 PM
You can ignore comment chains...
 
But I can't.
 
Write a CSS script.
 
CSS doesn't come in scripts. It comes in stylesheets.
CSS = Cascading Style Sheet
 
@Cerb I am disappoint that you let the balrogs escape.
 
@Robusto Excuse my terminology.
@tchrist Quos?
 
2:47 PM
> Long he fought on, and undismayed, though he was wrapped in fire and wounded with many wounds; but at the last he was smitten to the ground by Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs, whom Ecthelion after slew in Gondolin.
And Carcharoth was felled, as though lightning had smitten him.
Here, yes here indeed was the haggard king whose cold hand had smitten down the Ring-bearer with his deadly knife.
Had he been smitten by some dart of the Nazgûl, as you thought, he would have died that night.
His face was twisted with amazement and anger to the likeness of some wild beast that, as it crouches on its prey
 
Ah.
Sure, add those to my answer if you like...
 
I see no love in those smittens.
 
I find this appallingly anti-literate.
 
Aye.
 
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Q: Past passive tense for smite

GilbrilthorTL;DR: What is the past tense of smite in the passive voice? I am trying to find an alternative to the past passive tense for smite that doesn’t have the connotation of love. For example: I was smitten by the hand of justice. Forgive my possible breach in protocol. This is my first post on...

For reference.
 
2:50 PM
It could be verse.
Thus those brave in dread       down the bare hillside
towards the camp clambered      creeping wary,
and dared that deed             in days long past
whose glory has gone            through the gates of earth,
and songs have sung             unceasing ringing
wherever the Elves              in ancient places
had light or laughter           in the later world.
With breath bated               on the brink of the dale
they stood and stared           through stealthy shadows,
till they saw where the circle  of sleepless eyes
 
If extremely few native speakers use the word, I see little point in suggesting that a learner use it. — tunny 3 mins ago
He doesn't see the honey that he is licking, let alone the trap.
That it pained me to set.
Because it shouldn't have been necessary.
 
Soon you’ll be speaking in skewering tones.
And more:
and anguish endless.            That thy arms unchained
I had fainer far                should a falchion keen
or axe with edge                eager flaming
wield in warfare                where the wind bloweth
the banners of battle           — such a brand as might
in my sounding smithies         on the smitten anvil
of glowing steel                to glad thy soul
be forged and fashioned,        yea, and fair harness
and mail unmatched              — than that marred with flails
my mercy waiving                thou shouldst moan enchained
Then Beleg bade them            be blithe, saying:
‘The Gods have guided you       to good keeping;
I have heard of the house       of Hurin undaunted,
and who hath not heard          of the hills of slain,
of Nirnaith Ornoth,             Unnumbered Tears!
To that war I went not,         yet wage a feud
with the Orcs unending,         whom mine arrows fleeting
smite oft unseen                swift and deadly.
I am the hunter Beleg           of the hidden people;
the forest is my father         and the fells my home.’
His smithies on smitten anvil is good.
 
+1. As for people using the word, I'll point out that the band R.E.M. certainly used it, and in this millennium to boot. — Robusto 18 secs ago
 
+1
 
through the midmost mountains.  And more is told
in lays and in legend           and lore of others
of that weary way               of the wandering folk;
how the waifs of Gondolin       outwitted Melko,
vanished o’er the vale          and vanquished the hills,
how Glorfindel the golden       in the gap of the Eagles
battled with the Balrog         and both were slain:
one like flash of fire          from fangéd rock,
one like bolted thunder         black was smitten
to the dreadful deep            digged by Thornsir.
Note the use here of an to mean if:
Knowest thou my name,           or need’st be told
what hope he has                who is haled to Angband —
the bale most bitter,           the Balrogs’ torment?’
‘I know and I hate.             For that knowledge I fought thee
by fear unfettered,             nor fear I now,’
said Thalion there,             and a thane of Morgoth
on the mouth smote him;         but Morgoth smiled:
‘Fear when thou feelest,        and the flames lick thee,
and the whips of the Balrogs    thy white flesh brand.
Yet a way canst win,            an thou wishest, still
I can find no smiting in the Legendarium that is the work of love rather than of smithies.
Why targe for shield?
Thus Turin, who trusted         to targe and sword,
who was fain of fighting        with foes well seen,
and the banded troops           of his brave comrades
were snared seldom              and smote unlooked-for.
Because otherwise it would not have alliterated.
There seems to be more smiting in the alliterative verse. I don’t know why. Sake of the meter?
hight:
Full length he lay                      and lashed to pickets
in baleful bonds,                       yet bold-hearted
his mouth no mercy                      of Morgoth sued,
but defied his foes.                    Foully they smote him.
Then he called, as clear                as cry of hunter
that hails his hounds                   in hollow places,
on the name renowned                    of that noblest king —
but men unmindful                       remember him little —
Húrin Thalion, who Erithamrod hight,    the Unbending, for Orc and Balrog
There hard his life,            and hurts he lacked not,
the wounds of shaft             and the wavering sheen
of the sickle scimitars,        the swords of Hell,
the bloodfain blades            on black anvils
in Angband smithied,            yet ever he smote
unfey, fearless,                and his fate kept him.
Back to prose:
> Thence it turned, smiting the Vale of Anduin with hail and lightning, and casting its shadow upon Minas Tirith with threat of war.
Then anger surged over hint, and he ran about his master's body in a rage, stabbing the air, and smiting the stones, and shouting challenges.
There are so many instances of smote I cannot here cite them all.
Here, ordered from newest to eldest:
> Fearfully he took a few uncertain steps in the dark, and then all at once there came a flash of red that leaped upward, and smote the high black roof.
A sudden weight smote him and he crashed forward, tearing the backs of his hands that still clasped his master’s.
The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him.
He was no longer holding the Ring, but it was there, a hidden power, a cowing menace to the slaves of Mordor; and in his hand was Sting, and its light smote the eyes of the orc like the glitter of cruel stars in the terrible elf
The third is of love.
But it is the smiting of the smith.
Even so.
It struck his heart, heavy as hammer on anvil fallen.
The beauty.
Tolkien never used smit, however, that I can discover.
I looked only in a few works, however.
S, H, LotR, Lays.
In Letters, writing about the Exeter Book, he wrote to his son CJRT:
> How these old words smite one out of the dark antiquity!
Or here:
> I had to deliver the opening lecture of the newly-founded O'Donnell Lectures in Celtic Studies
– already overdue: and I composed it with 'all the woe in the world', as the Gawain-poet says of the
wretched fox with the hounds on his tail. All the more woe, since I am the merest amateur in such
matters, and Celtic scholars are critical and litigious; and more woe since I was smitten with
laryngitis.
> Then Aulë in grief and repentance humbled himself and asked for pardon. And he said: ‘I will
destroy these images of my presumption, and wait upon thy will.’ And he took a great hammer,
raising it to smite the eldest of his images; but it flinched and cowered from him. And as he
withheld his stroke, astonished, he heard the laughter of Ilúvatar.
Aulë was the smith-god, remember.
> the Rhone, on which horse 'diligences' still plied: but not for us. We reached Brig on foot, a mere
memory of noise : then a network of trams that screeched on their rails for it seemed at least 20 hrs
of the day. After a night of that we climbed up some thousands of feet to a village at the foot of the
Aletsch glacier, and there spent some nights in a châlet inn under a roof and in beds (or rather under
them: the bett being a shapeless bag under which you snuggled). I can remember several incidents
“The pangs of hunger smote us.”
Rarely if ever does he smite but from pain.
I think he cannot separate smite from smith in his mind.
Smite is for him always a great blow.
 
3:30 PM
@Cerberus I disagree; it is being descriptive.
 
@Mitch Not its suggestion.
in Discussion between tunny and Cerberus, 34 mins ago, by tunny
If extremely few native speakers use the word, I see little point in suggesting that a learner use it.
 
Depends on what you mean as a learner. A first year learner, there is absolutely no reason to learn it. For an academic, sure it is interesting and useful academically to learn, but to actually use in real life... that particular word is so rare now and unrecognizable that it is simply an academic curiosity.
That's not anti-literate. Maybe you're implicitly making a slippery slope argument
 
@tchrist Too bad.
 
Look at the screen name of the poster: Gilbrilthor.
That’s Sindarin.
 
@Mitch Why are you talking about "first-year learners"?
This is not at all relevant. This is about an OP asking a question about literary English in an archaic style.
@tchrist Yes, I already suspected a hint of Tolkienery.
 
3:38 PM
Gil is “star”.
I’d have to look up the rest.
 
tunny mentioned 'learner'. I'm making a nuance about learners how they're not all the same.
 
In context, discouraging the OP from using "smit" is I think anti-literate.
@tchrist Denethor...
What does it mean?
 
and I'm saying it's not because of what 'learner' might mean
 
Not sure what you mean.
 
yes, in general discouraging the use of lower frequency words is 'anti-literate'
 
3:40 PM
That was my point.
In general, and in this context.
 
but that particular word is so rare that discouraging its use is not anti literate its very practical.
 
The OP had already displayed an interest in older or archaic idioms with smitten and the question as a whole.
 
@Cerberus Denethor may mean “eagle”. It is a Nandor (green-elf) word made to fit into Sindarin (grey-elf) phonology.
 
The question was not about "practical".
It is about a term in an RPG.
@tchrist Hmmm...
 
the question did not specify one way or the other.
 
3:41 PM
Oh, no, wrong quote.
 
It was clear enough from the language what he was after.
 
“Lithe and lank”, perhaps.
But the Dúnedain often used Sindarin names in honor of the bond between the Eldar and the Edain in their wars against Morgoth.
 
are we talking about 'smit' or 'smitten'?
 
About the whole question.
But I'm going out for a run while it is still light.
Dusk is upon us.
 
I'm talking about the word 'smit'. it's too rare, and also 'smitten' is actually used.
 
3:45 PM
Smoot.
 
Smit is archaicker than smitten, but either word is appropriate in context.
 
Snit's Revenge is a two-player board game developed and illustrated by Tom Wham. It originally appeared as an insert in Dragon Magazine in 1977, and subsequently as a boxed game first published by TSR, Inc. and currently by Steve Jackson Games. The Steve Jackson version comes boxed together with Snit Smashing, which was also first published in Dragon Magazine and to which Snit's Revenge is technically a sequel. The rules of this version differ slightly from those of the TSR version. == Theme == Bolotomi are large essentially immobile creatures who live on an alien beach, and come to enjoy smashing...
Where smitten snits have their revenge.
Very heavy snow falling here now.
 
4:01 PM
Oh, dear.
How many micra/second?
 
It’s like one of those little kitch thingies that have a wintry scene in them that you shake and it simulates thickly falling snow.
It is coming from the east, though, not from the west or north.
Which may indicate that we are in an “upslope” situation.
Those can lay heavy upon the land. Yet they called for something like a sixth of an inch. We shall see.
The kitties are complaining.
 
Still?
A sixth of an inch is not so bad.
 
No, it is not.
 
No smit-down roofs or tree tops.
 
And I don’t believe the forecasts.
I had 10 inches when they called for but 1.
And it still blankets the ground.
It’s down to perhaps half that by now.
 
4:09 PM
nods
I will now trod upon the unbesnown ground.
 
Or was till this morning’s snow-showers.
 
Trod quickly and fleetingly.
 
4:22 PM
You trod on me
Hey, why aren't you running?
 
4:39 PM
Ye Men unmindful    of the mirth of yore,
wars and weeping    in the worlds of old,
of Morgoth’s might    remembering nought!
Lo! hear what Elves    with ancient harps,
lingering forlorn     in lands untrodden,
fading faintly     down forest pathways,
in shadowy isles     on the Shadowy Seas,
sing still in sorrow     of the son of Húrin,
how his webs of doom     were woven dark
with Níniel’s sorrow:     names most mournful.
 
@Cerberus *tread (trod is past tense)
 
Aye.
> tread /trɛd/, v. Pa. t. trod /trɒd/, arch. trode /trəʊd/. Pa. pple. trodden /ˈtrɒd(ə)n/, trod /trɒd/.
> Etymology: OE. tredan (pa. t. træd, pl. trǽdon, pa. pple. treden); ME. treden (trad, trêden, treden); a Common Teut. strong vb., = OFris. treda (trad, tred, trêd-, treden), OS. tredan (trad, trâd-un, treden); MDutch, MLG. trēden, Dutch, LG. trēden, OHG. tretan (trat, trâtun; gi-tretan), MHG., Ger. treten; Da. træde, Sw. träda, Norw. treda; OTeut. *tred̶-; *trad̶-, pl. *træ̂d̶-; tred̶-, of which a weak grade trud̶- gave Goth. trudan (*traþ, *trêdum, trudans), and ONor. troða (trað, tráðum; troðinn). Not certainly known outside Teutonic.
@Robusto He’s lost in the 1600s, or dialect, where it appears that tread is used for trod.
There’s enough confusion in the history that it appears pretty much anything was used for anything at one time or another.
 
4:56 PM
@Mitch I have done so!
@Robusto Err I was trying to sound exceedingly archaic, but I failed.
@tchrist Yes.
It is more common in Dutch than in English, especially in prefixed verbs, but also in various nouns.
@tchrist By the way, my friend asked me a question about the gender of the nominak suffix -schap.
In German it is (always?) feminine.
In Dutch, it it feminine or neuter, depending on the word.
What was it in English?
 
We pretend English has no gender.
 
@Robusto - Thank you, Robusto, very much. I am so computer illiterate, it's pathetic.
 
@Cerberus In Old English?
 
5:22 PM
3–4” so far.
 
5:39 PM
@Mitch I don't know, any English.
When did genders fall out of use?
Did they all disappear at the same time?
 
5:50 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Another instance where being quick to update is not a good idea follows. If you don't want your phone to buzz loudly during a memorial service despite your having set it to silent, you being unable to silence it at all except by turning off the phone entirely, you had better not update to Lollipop.
> So here's the deal in KitKat—you lower the volume and it goes to vibrate. Lower again and it's completely silent. Cool. In Lollipop on phones, you lower the volume to zero and it kicks over to vibrate, and that's all you get. Hit up and it goes to volume 1, down and it's still just vibrate.
> There's no setting that prevents all your notifications from getting through unless you use the new "None" notification mode. This comes with one inexcusable drawback, though. "None" doesn't allow alarms to work, which is just bananas.
 
@Cerberus All lost by Middle English (= Chaucer, post Norman Invasion)
@Cerberus Does any language change ever happen at a single point (time or place)? But Chaucer was late 1300's, so 2 to 3 centuries at most.
but...
Middle English (ME) describes dialects of English in the history of the English language between the High and Late Middle Ages, or roughly during the three centuries between the late 12th and the late 15th century. Middle English developed out of Late Old English in Norman England (1066–1154) and was spoken throughout the Plantagenet era (1154–1485). The Middle English period ended about 1470, when the Chancery Standard, a form of London-based English, began to become widespread, a process aided by the introduction of the printing press to England by William Caxton in the late 1470s. By that time...
 
6:06 PM
@Mitch Ah, okay, how sad.
@Mitch Well, roughly at the same time, it is possible.
 
sad? it's great! none of those extra mistakes to make
 
But you are suggesting that one of the genders disappeared before the other two?
Silly square, you know you wouldn't make any gender mistakes.
Only Moroccans do.
 
I don't know about the loss of individual genders, just that they're gone by MEnglish
 
They say de meisje and de huis in all comedy shows.
 
haha
 
6:08 PM
We lost the distinction between feminine and masculine a long time ago, but neuter is still alive.
 
ha ha moroccans cant say Dutch good
@Cerberus that's weird. I would have expected male and neuter would have squished
 
@Mitch Many of my pupils with parents of foreign descent mix up their genders...
@Mitch I understand why you should say that.
And yet it is not so.
Feminine and masculine have not fused completely, though.
The distinction is very much alive when referring to people.
As between he and she, his and her.
In plural, it was never visible, exceptions excepted.
 
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