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tchrist

12:00 AM

I don’t see the okina.

MετάEd

@tchrist That's ok.

Cerberus

Apparently, it is not a Latin letter...

tchrist

Sure it is.

‭ ʻ  02BB       MODIFIER LETTER TURNED COMMA
        * typographical alternate for 02BD or 02BF
        * used in Hawai`ian orthography as `okina (glottal stop)
        x (combining turned comma above - 0312)
        x (nko low tone apostrophe - 07F5)
        x (left single quotation mark - 2018)

Ok, it’s got property Script=Common.

The ScriptX prop might include Latin. I dunno.

RegDwigнt

My last name is exceptionally long, but some countries are smarter than others in accounting for it.

tchrist

But things like commas and periods are also script=Common

RegDwigнt

12:03 AM

Midnight again. Let's see.

MετάEd

@RegDwigнt That's going to be confusing. Mind if we call you Bruce?

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt How many letters?

RegDwigнt

205 ahead of Unix.

Cerberus

@tchrist So that looks like a kind of apostrophe?

RegDwigнt

They've been keeping it at 190 the whole day long.

tchrist

12:03 AM

yes

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Whaa?

You can give the number of characters in your surname as a range, as in 30–40?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus a mere 14, but that's in a language that actually has dedicated letters for every shit. In Latin, I dunno, I started counting twenty years ago and am still busy.

Cerberus

Ah.

tchrist

ʻOkina

{|align="right" width="300" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" class="wikitable" style="float:right;border:1px solid #999999;border-collapse:collapse;background:#F7F8FF;font-size:87%;text-align:center;margin:10px;" |- !colspan="2" style="background:#CCCCCC;color:#000000"| Okina letter forms |- | |The Hawaiian okina or Tongan fakaua (Unicode U+02BB), as it appears in the Lucida Sans font. |- | |The Tahitian eta or Wallisian fakamoga (currently not encoded separately), as it appears in the Lucida Sans font. |- | colspan="2" | »ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi« (Hawaiian: Hawaiian Language) within sin...

Cerberus

14 is still quite a lot.

RegDwigнt

12:05 AM

And don't you forget the patronymic.

That's another 9. Again, in Cyrillic.

Probably like 90 in Latin.

Cerberus

My mother's name has 17 letters, including two spaces.

tchrist

> The ʻokina, also called by several other names, is a unicameral consonant letter used within the Latin script to mark the phonetic glottal stop, as it is used in many Polynesian languages.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus Oh, I'm not counting the hyphen. You can +1.

Cerberus

Yay!

tchrist

My name has 25 characters in it.

Counting two spaces.

Cerberus

12:06 AM

@RegDwigнt I actually did not phrase that correctly. It has 17 letters and it includes two spaces, so 19 if you count spaces.

@tchrist Surname?

tchrist

Fullname.

Hence the spaces.

Cerberus

I'm talking surname.

tchrist

I’m talking name sir.

Cerberus

Surnames can have spaces here.

tchrist

You’re always going on and on about suriname.

Cerberus

12:07 AM

Pah, it is now run by a murderous drug baron.

We like you have turned our backs.

tchrist

Notice the two sperm circling the ovum at the end.

I’m betting the little one wins, cause it has a smaller turn radius.

Cerberus

Odd.

RegDwight

Feb 7 '11 at 16:13, by Kosmonaut

ʕʔ

Feb 7 '11 at 16:14, by Kosmonaut

Any attempt to pronounce those two sounds in sequence will cause you to choke.

Cerberus

...

RegDwight

Is that the graphical representation of you choking?

Cerberus

12:13 AM

It is the sound I make when I'm choking, yes.

tchrist

One per head.

RegDwight

Oh! Midnight! This means I can be getting reps again!

tchrist

Right.

RegDwight

Well then. I can go to bed safely now.

Cerberus

> What is the exact usage of “the” [on hold]
I've seen this word many times but I never understand what that exactly means.

RegDwight

12:14 AM

Or more like, the LEGO cottage I was building.

Cerberus

This is my favourite question of the day.

tchrist

Ok, who’s been feeding Mitch what?

RegDwight

CU lators or morrows or somewhere in the next 14 billion light years.

Mitch

@Cerberus Mine has 29, but 21 are spaces, all at the end.

Cerberus

@RegDwight Night!

RegDwight

12:15 AM

2 hours ago, by RegDwigнt

Mitch is drunk.

tchrist

NEVER FEED THEM AFTER MIDNIGHT!

Cerberus

@Mitch I'm afraid those don't count.

Mitch

@tchrist Just ate.

RegDwight

And I'm somewhat certain he's been drinking cats.

He's drinking cats and dogs.

Heads up, Cerberus!

tchrist

Well, it takes all kinds.

Mitch

12:16 AM

@Cerberus Do too. If that akino counts then my spaces count.

tchrist

Just brush your teeth between.

Mitch

@RegDwight Toast!

RegDwight

¡Abierto y alto!

Mitch

I've been drinking toast

Tastes like... Postum.

tchrist

Maybe

Maybe it’s that his slipped off for a kip, but his kippers were a bit off.

It’s a breakfast tragedy.

@RegDwigнt Aw please protect your question!

Cerberus

12:19 AM

@Mitch No......

KitFox

What's all this then?

tchrist

Which which?

Mitch

Cerb doesn't play well and he drinks toast.

tchrist

When Cerb chases his tail, he gets whiplash as all the heads go the other direction from each other.

Cerberus

Hey, I'm 100 % sober.

We drunk tea exclusively.

Whoops.

tchrist

12:22 AM

Russian question is CW-3 votes and counting.

@Cerberus Dwun? You dwun kit?

I’ve heard of teas like that.

Cerberus

hiccough

tchrist

Gotta frog stuck in your throat? Be careful: they may have unintended ranifications.

Cerberus

Hah.

Ranova?

tchrist

Or the other end of the equation.

Poor Cerb, he was so busy chasing tail, he got ranova by a bullfrog.

Cerberus

12:38 AM

What other end?

And what are you equating?

KitFox

0

A: Idiom or word for a very crowded place

A local, possibly New England, expression is "stuffed tighter than a turkey" (or other colorful variation). Also, packed tighter than a pair of Wranglers (or designer jeans) is a relatively common expression.

I'm surprised that no one had used that one yet.

Way more fun than sardines.

Mitch

1:01 AM

@KitFox "She looked as if she had been poured into her clothes and had forgotten to say 'when.' "

Cerberus

@Mitch Ouch!

Mitch

@Cerberus I always thought that that meant she fit just right.

Cerberus

If she forgot to say "when", doesn't that mean there's too much woman in the clothes?

KitFox

Not in this case.

It is close to being a cool drink of water.

That's what you're pouring when you get poured into clothes.

Cerberus

1:21 AM

From a genuine NSA slide.

KitFox

What a crappy photoshop job.

CW–2 and counting.

I added one.

hence -2

Indeed.

1:32 AM

Hey, tell that to the NSA. Wait, that's what you just did.

tchrist

icky acky ucky

-4

Q: Is "Milk and honey" a way how to describe curvy women?

In Czech there are these 3 (2 if you don't count the "a" /=and/ as a word ) words for curvy women: krev a mlíko E.g. Tá holka je krev a mlíko (That girl is blood and milk.) "Krev a mlíko" means "blood and milk". It's a reference to red (=blood) cheeks on a girl (which was considered as a s...

terminology

saftig

KitFox

zaftig?

tchrist

Yes.

But I don’t know if it is with an s or a z. Maybe one is Yiddish?

z

KitFox

!!define zaftig

KitSox

@KitFox zaftig (US, colloquial) Of a woman, having a plump and sexually attractive figure; voluptuous, well-proportioned; large.

tchrist

1:41 AM

zaftig [ˈzæftɪg], a. U.S. colloq. Also zoftig, zofti(c)k.

Etymology: Yiddish, a. G. saftig juicy.

 Of a woman: plump, curvaceous, ‘sexy’.

1937 M. Levin Old Bunch ii. 394 - He could see himself on the road, whizzing by a flaming poster-a beautiful..girl, snappy, modern, zaftig.
1950 Commentary IX. 460/2 - The owner of the local barber shop..installed a zoftig blond manicurist.
1960 E. McBain Heckler x. 91 - A zaftig redhead..in her early thirties.
1967 P. Welles Babyhip (1969) xxiv. 139 - ‘And see how zoftik she is.’ Mrs. Green felt pleased she had spotted someone over-weight.

I would never have thunk to say it with an /æ/.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I heard someone once use the word "zoft", I wonder if it's related

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, Yiddish wasn’t really ever a written language, so who can say?

Why in the world do signed char data types exist?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist no idea. not sure what that would even mean.

tchrist

It’s a royal pain in the butt.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Ah, here's why:

> In fact, when working in constrained memory environments, like embedded 8 bit applications a char will often be used to do math, and then it makes a big difference. This is because there is no byte type by default in C.

tchrist

1:50 AM

If p is a char * that points to an unsigned 16 bit int in network byte order, you cannot use (p[0] * 256) + p[1].

Because you should have declared p to be unsigned char *.

So your addition can become a fricking subtraction.

And it depends on the platform whether you have to do do this. You might sneak past without it. For a while.

I would never have noticed the error under normal circumstances, either.

Cerberus

Buttercups and waterlilies.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yes. well, mixing data types and byte orders and signedness is always tricky and annoying.

tchrist

All the world is not a Z80.

Sign extension bytes.

@Cerberus Are you trying to make me feel better, or to give your froggies a better home and garden?

Buttercups are in the Ranunculus genus: where the little froggies live.

Cerberus

Both at the same time!

Or a speck of dirt around which you could create a pearl.

tchrist

I need the world for my oyster.

It has created me from a mote.

I also wonder why we still cannot declare something unambiguously REAL*4, REAL*8, REAL*16, even though on some systems, float and double and long double will get you that. But on others, it won’t.

I’ve been playing too close to the machine lately.

Madness.

Then there are the half-assed REAL*12 long doubles. I have no idea who thought that would be a good idea.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:56 AM

@tchrist are there not datatypes like that now, in modern C, C++?

maybe I'm thinking of ints: uint32, etc

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, not for the floating point types, only for the integral types under C99 with stdint.h

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I've never liked C. This makes me like it less.

tchrist

Oh, it’s ok.

Still.

I have to read an ASCII text string representing an unsigned 32-bit integer, and then use those bits to mean a 32-bit float.

Mitch

@KitFox Exactly...and you get even more. Or maybe the glass is really tall and it's a skin tight cat suit.

tchrist

I can assert that sizeof(uint32_t) == sizeof(float) at runtime, but that's about all.

Cerberus

1:59 AM

Is "mote" the word one usually uses to describe the beginnings of a pearl?

tchrist

@Cerberus No, it’s the thing to describe the speck in God’s eye.

Cerberus

I know that...

So what would you call what starts a pearl, at least ut vulgo dicitur?

tchrist

A speck.

A grain of sand.

Cerberus

OK, good.

tchrist

Dust motes don’t work in the water, perhaps.

RegDwigнt

2:01 AM

So I thought I'd aim for the Boater hat on a couple sites. And of all things I had to start with Sound Design. Mamma mia.

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Q: A Proud Husband

This isn't really a question, just a little bit of a story. You can read on if you like, but it's just a little gush from me... Three years ago my then not even girlfriend returned to Atlanta from traveling around the South. I was the sound recordist/boom-op for a week long production that was...

field-recording not-a-question

This is a typical question on that site.

No, really. Every question is like that.

Every single one.

tchrist

My lord.

RegDwigнt

It is a forum. A chat.

tchrist

not-a-question

Cerberus

Haha.

RegDwigнt

The answers are all like "thank you for sharing, nice story!"

tchrist

2:02 AM

Where are the custodes?

RegDwigнt

I don't know.

Cerberus

And you harp on me for overlooking questionable noob questions! Tsk.

Mitch

@tchrist Er... yeah it was..using Hebrew script.

RegDwigнt

Oh, and every other "question" begins with "hi all" and ends with "greetings from Podunk, love you all, Ginger! P.S: here's another clip of my work! Enjoy!"

tchrist

@RegDwigнt This is what happens when you let the unchaperoned mice play in the storage bins out at the grange.

RegDwigнt

2:03 AM

No seriously, folks. Take a second to look at the top questions list.

Cerberus

> she's already a fiber designer and accomplished in the knitting world.

RegDwigнt

I am not making shit up. Soft questions only.

Cerberus

From that question.

RegDwigнt

22

Q: Where are you from and what do you do?

So, I've gotten to know quite a few of you at this point, and I know where a good few of you work from. Luckily I've been able to meet up with a few people for lunches and all. Every time I'm glad I met the person. So, in order to continue building this network, I propose we map out where ever...

location map jobs social-network

tchrist

That was mine.

To paste.

18

Q: Washington Post covers sound design in film:

There's a nice piece by Ann Hornaday with a video in today's Washington Post here.

film sound-design film-sound-design

RegDwigнt

2:05 AM

Oh don't worry, you'll bump into even better ones.

Cerberus

Those questions were all posted on April 1.

RegDwigнt

Yeah, that one's a start.

Cerberus

Oh, wait, they weren't. Too bad.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus the site was created on April 1st. And no activity ever happened after that.

tchrist

15

Q: So I dropped my recorder in a wheelbarrow full of water…

(I should get a gold medal just for the title alone!) So anyway, I'm out recording the deluge of rain we're getting in Los Angeles last night and I tripped over something and half-submerged my Tascam DR-680 in a wheelbarrow full of muddy water. Not just regular water -- MUDDY water. All 6 mic in...

tascam-dr-680 troubleshooting repair diy

RegDwigнt

2:06 AM

Yeah.

So anyway. Just wanted to share. Greetings from Podunk! Enjoy! Love, Sieglinde.

Off to get the hat on some other site instead...

tchrist

13

Q: Most influential people in your career

After listening to the guys at the audionowcast discuss the people most influential to them, I figured I wanted to start a thread here and discuss this with the rest of you guys. here's a list of the people and things that were and are the most influential on me and my audio career. The process...

career influences

Cerberus

We like it.

RegDwigнt

Oh, one more thing. If @tchrist still needs a 42 hat I bet he could get it out of reporting this on MSO.

tchrist

heh

’Twould have to wait for the dawn.

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A: Proper antonym for "expand"

The correct term is "Collapse". This comes from the use of file structure trees (folders in modern speak). You "Open" a "Folder" to view it's contents, but "Expand" a "Directory"/"Folder" to "Explore" it. Expanding many Folders (it a tree) can look messy, so to keep things tidy, we Collapse them ...

That guy.

His username.

DigiWongaDude, Scotland

11 2

word-choice antonyms british-english etymology

I guess I don’t want to know.

Cerberus

Umm...

tchrist

2:11 AM

My kittens so love me.

I love you I love you I love you = Feed me feed me feedme

They perch upon my chest and shoulders and face and smother me with purring till I feed them.

Cerberus

That's what they're like!

tchrist

Stereophonically.

It’s when I’m in bed that the crazy things happen.

Cerberus

You should post about that on sound.stackexchange.com.

tchrist

Like how they think my toes are mice, and they spring upon them through the covers.

Or they burrow under the covers like moles on meth, wiggling around.

Or Randy decides that my nipple is a new cat toy. That’s not the pleasant wakening you might think it, either. I’m all scratched up.

They’re constantly wrestling and pouncing on top of the bed, and chasing each other around under the headboard and up top of it and jumping to the plant container and the windowsills and the top parts of the windows and then down on top of me again.

I know the answer to Where the Wild Things Are.

Cerberus

2:27 AM

I would lock my bedroom door.

tchrist

Just one more to go now.

Cerberus

Now matter how much fun they are...

tchrist

You cannot do that.

Robusto

You can't lock your bedroom door. They will just yowl all night.

tchrist

Exactly.

Cerberus

2:27 AM

Nah.

tchrist

Oh yes they will.

Robusto

Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.

Cerberus

Cats are just like babies: you just have to train them well.

tchrist

And try to get to the door knob to turn it.

Robusto

Do you have a cat, doggy?

Cerberus

2:28 AM

Some people think they have to let them have their way, but it is not so.

tchrist

So you hear them hurling themselves against the door trying to reach the lock.

Cerberus

We always had cats when I lived with my parents, yes.

They still do.

tchrist

And all the scratching and banging and bellerin’.

Cerberus

They will give up eventually.

tchrist

When I open the door.

Robusto

2:29 AM

The one cat has decided he sees something in the 60" TV screen that is worth hunting. I have ordered a nerf gun and in such cases will fell him when it comes.

Cerberus

And after a while they will be trained.

Robusto

@Cerberus They will give up long after they ruin your sleep.

Cerberus

Not after having been trained to accept that scratching won't help.

Robusto

Well, you come here and train my cats then.

Cerberus

Why don't you try locking the door for a month.

Robusto

2:30 AM

I can't afford a month with no sleep.

tchrist

My god.

The humanity!

Cerberus

It won't be that bad.

tchrist

You. Have. No. Idea.

And then they will take it out on you in other ways.

Cerberus

If they keep you up for hours the first night, it will be better the next, und so weiter.

Robusto

I'm guessing you're not the one who "trained" your cats.

tchrist

2:31 AM

That can even be worse.

Cerberus

Sure I was.

Robusto

@Cerberus I heard that about babies, and it was bollocks then too.

tchrist

One does not train cats. One comes to some mutual accommodation with them.

You work out agreements.

Cerberus

Sensible people I know tell me it works for babies, at least for most babies most of the time.

I have a friend who just always goes to her baby when it cries at night. The result is that she still has to get up every night even though the baby is now two years old.

Robusto

@Cerberus Just like a non-parent to sacrifice all babies on the Procrustean bed of behavior theory.

Cerberus

2:33 AM

shrugs

Robusto

Yeah. Go ahead and shrug. You'll never have to put your theories into practice.

Cerberus

No?

Why not?

Robusto

You're not a breeder.

Cerberus

Says who?

Robusto

From what I've observed, sez you.

Cerberus

2:34 AM

Gays have babies, you know.

tchrist

No, people have babies.

Robusto

Some adopt. I don't figure you for the type.

Cerberus

I have a female friend who insisted, even.

And there is also adoption, yes.

Robusto

Insisted what? That you adopt a baby?

tchrist

Après toi, alors.

Cerberus

2:35 AM

@Robusto No, make one.

Robusto

You helped her make one?

Cerberus

No, it was about the future. We're still young.

tchrist

Take two parts butter to one part sugar and one part poop. Mix and let sit in the sun for a few hours.

@Cerberus No. You want to have kids when you ARE young.

Robusto

@Cerberus Pix or it didn't happen.

tchrist

You won’t have the strength for it later.

And they will become too precious and you will smother them with overprotectiveness.

Cerberus

2:36 AM

I have very few female friends with babies...yet.

@Robusto Apparently you don't know many gays with babies.

Robusto

@Cerberus has about as much chance of becoming a parent as I do of becoming President of the U.S.

Cerberus

That is not only mean, but also wrong.

I shall disappear now.

Robusto

@Cerberus Please. You know little or nothing about my life, so don't spout such nonsense. I knew gays with babies before you were even born.

Mitch

@tchrist The agreement is that they get their way.

tchrist

@Robusto He doesn’t believe in that world.

Mitch

2:38 AM

ha ha I'm on a anti cat roll.

Cerberus

You're just jealous because no other woman has ever offered you her womb and her eggs.

poof

Robusto

@Cerberus By "becoming a parent" I mean taking responsibility for a baby and guiding it into independence. Not being a sperm donor.

@Cerberus Well, I have living proof that a woman has done just that. Only it wasn't presented in exactly those terms.

Mitch

@Cerberus Wow. Is that how it works? takes notes

tchrist

It’s not a 10-minute job or a 3-hour tour. It’s a lifetime.

womb and tomb, tomb and womb

Cerberus

That was the plan, we could become co-parents or make two babies, one for each.

tchrist

2:40 AM

“Co-parents”?

Robusto

My wife and I are "co-parents" . . .

So, anyway, put up or shut up. It's easy to talk the talk, but really really really hard to walk the walk.

Cerberus

You people clearly live in a different, ignorant world. And you're being incredibly rude. Bye.

Mitch

@Robusto co-conspirators

Robusto

We're disagreeing with you so we're rude?

tchrist

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Robusto

2:41 AM

I'm just astonished at how ignorant you are of the whole process of parenthood.

tchrist

Weep for the children.

Mitch

@Robusto THe error in your reasoning is that kids can't walk.

well, not at first.

Robusto

What you call reasoning I call metaphor.

Mitch

What you call metaphor, I call transfer.

Robusto

See, @Cerberus is still here. He can't even poof right.

tchrist

2:43 AM

@Robusto If you haven’t closely watched children being reared for the first 5 or 10 or 20 years, repeatedly, and only hear about it remotely, it isn’t the same thing and doesn’t convey the full gravity.

It’s still a Dream.

Robusto

Yes. Here is my definition of what it takes to be a parent: You wake up with the flu one morning, feeling like you've been beaten with a chain, and you don't have anyone who can come over so you still have to get up and take care of the baby because that's what you do.

Mitch

@tchrist how old are they? under a year?

Robusto

And that's just part of it.

tchrist

@Mitch Not even half that.

Mitch

Such a cute time.

tchrist

2:47 AM

Kittens are the opiate of the misses.

Mitch

You can't keep a cat in a handbag.

tchrist

They curl up together in the same little bed, as close as blood brothers.

They’re always grooming each other and being affectionate.

I wanted them to be friends.

I know so many houses with multiple cats where they just don’t have that bond.

These do, now.

Mitch

Growing them up together is better for them. Bringing one in later just makes the older one a bully and the young one scared.

tchrist

It’s so strange to hold someone and think, “Just three months ago, you didn’t exist yet.”

Mitch

It's just a bag oh chemicals.

A cute fuzzy warm bag of chemicals that would eat your face off if you switched sizes.

tchrist

2:53 AM

@Mitch Kai su, teknon.

Mitch

_Brutus stabs Caesar_
Brutus: Take that you tyrant!
Caesar: Augh! Aieee! I'm dying! Aieee! _gurgle, thump_

tchrist

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Mitch

_first moon landing_
Armstrong: That's one small... holy shit I'm on the fucking _moon_! I'm the first person on the goddamn moon!
Aldrin: Good for you.