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12:24 AM

It would be the same as wearing a propeller beanie.

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@RegDwigнt: Is that a Russian name? ^

3 hours later…

3:11 AM

Yo.

I'm sleeping in a very cold tower room.

Someone is awake?

I'm in bed.

My index finger is getting very cold.

Ha. Get a mug of warm water to stick it in to warm it up occasionally.

Another option: is there an electrical outlet in which you can warm it up?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yo.

Then I'd have to walk down the icy stair!

s

3:15 AM

How about sticking it up your nose? :D

Which one?

You have more than one nose?

Three.

Oh, right. Take turns.

It's 0 outside and there is no real heating in the tower.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

3:18 AM

Are you staying at the ice hotel?

I did manage to score a small radiator.

Haha no, country house.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

The one you posted a picture of once?

Could be?

Swiping with one hand in Team Viewer is a bit hard, but it works remarkably well.

Quite stable, and Swype just works.

But slow because of one left-hand finger.

Ok guys

that strategy I was talking about didn't really work

Ok.

3:26 AM

Fotoselli otomatik Kapı,05399469454
Mağazalar, alış veriş merkezleri, oteller, fabrikalar, hastaneler, bankalar, iş merkezleri gibi, giriş çıkışların yoğun olduğu yerlerde tercih edilen sistemlerdir. Hızlı açma - kapama sağlayarak iç ortam havası muhafaza edilir.

I asked her "How big is ur bxxbs" and she said "I got shocked"

Actually, I don't know. Is that Romanian or something?

Hungarian?

Turkish?

Maybe.

So I told her "It's an Australian culture haha.." but I felt she became slightly hostile to me after hearing that question

3:27 AM

I'm quite sure.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

So many cedillas.

Like little appendices.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Tori Amos should write a song.

Pronounced tsh, with a c. With an s it's sh.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

lord, take me downtown / I'm just lookin' for some tsh

4:07 AM

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You and ZZ both.

4:31 AM

My parents are so phucking good at business, my mom has been running her own business since I was born

Her friends always call her to get advice for starting a business and etc lol...

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7:00 AM

Hi

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10:10 AM

haha

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11:10 AM

@Robusto Turkish, I'd say.

Hello.

Hoozah.

A very quiet weekend in chat.

Chat seems to be a place people come to on the weekdays to skive from work.

11:24 AM

Hi

What does Hooza mean??

I think it means something like hello...

I hope it's not just me dumb enough to know the meaning of this word.

You should look it up to be sure, I dunno.

I did.

My mac dictionary failed to identify if.

Do a google search then.

11:26 AM

Let me ask KitSox

!KitSox define Hoozah

Hoozah is a greeting Kit uses, except she spells it differently, though I don't remember how. Ask her.

I just did, I think she is asleep.

Or did I try to ask her the wrong way?

You asked the wrong Kit.

I am not sure of the bot's commands.

Always ask the right Kit.

!!define hoozah

11:27 AM

@RegDwigнt My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.

See.

I told you twas the wrong Kit.

Yeah, right.

!!google hooza

@Noah hooza.co ; hooza.co/what-is-hooza ; hooza.co/pricing

!!wiki hooza

@Noah No result found

11:28 AM

!!how do you say hi

@Noah Indeed

What kind of answer is that @RegDwigнt

Who is the programmer behind @KitSox

I hope it's not you or KitFox.

?

That is the 27c kind of answer.

Yo, no dissing @kitfox in this chat.

Which means the answer is plain wrong.

I am not dissing her. She is a good gal.

You are the one dissing her.

By using a greeting only she uses?

That's respect, man.

!!define respect

11:31 AM

@RegDwigнt respect (uncountable) an attitude of consideration or high regard

See.

Nothing about dissing.

What greeting. See it's a mass noun.

I want a count noun.

You're a mass noun, Noah.

!!define geezis

@JasperLoy My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.

11:33 AM

Indeed, I am. But respect should be a count noun.

Like a million respects.

Oh that's wrong. That should read "@Jasper, my dictionary isn't bad enough for you".

@JasperLoy I am reading a book on Jesus.

So ask me.

@Noah Is it written with a Muslim perspective?

No, it's written by a christian.

It's a historical account of Jesus the Nazareth.

And I am also reading another one which proves that Jesus never claimed he was the son of God.

The last one is written by a professor here in the states.

@JasperLoy How's it in South Africa?

@Noah I am not in South Africa.

11:39 AM

I thought you were there. Where are you then?

I am in Singapore.

I see. Are you from there? Or you from somewhere else>

I have always been there, yes.

You might not find it on the map, it is too small...

Is the draft still mandatory in Singapore?

No, I have heard about it.

11:41 AM

@badass Yes, of course.

see, here comes the badass. Hi @badass

icic

@Noah Hi

So did you serve@JasperLoy

@Noah Yes, long ago.

You are talking like you are an old man.

11:43 AM

Well, well. There is a reason I talk this way.

But it is hard to write it down in this chat.

What other asian countries have mandatory draft?

No idea man.

I think wiki should have an article on this.

ok

China, North Korea, Thailand, etc.

Conscription is the compulsory enlistment of people in some sort of national service, most often military service. Conscription dates back to antiquity and continues in some countries to the present day under various names. The modern system of near-universal national conscription for young men dates to the French Revolution in the 1790s, where it became the basis of a very large and powerful military. Most European nations later copied the system in peacetime, so that men at a certain age would serve 1–3 years on active duty and then transfer to the reserve force. In China, the State ...

11:47 AM

Azerbaijan, Iran, South Korea

And Egypt, I think

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There's one country where people are born with military skills.

And that is?

born with?

Yeah.

Afghanistan, I think.

why?

11:50 AM

Because they have spent their entire life fighting.

i don't understand

I mean they have been fighting, for like, ever.

Look at its history, man.

I read a couple of books on that country.

@Noah I can understand a pregnant heroine addict giving birth to an addicted child, but not someone born with "military skills"?

Okay, maybe that was a bad phraseology.

12:05 PM

Just because the Kurds don't have a country, doesn't mean you should ignore them.

Those Afghan slackers have got nothing on the Kurds.

War Nerd on the Kurds. Everything you need to know, summed up in an entertaining way.

@RegDwigнt Thanks for sharing.

12:26 PM

@RegDwigнt Are you defending my honor?

Hat dash starts on the 16th!

Why do you think I should trust a Russian website @RegDwigнt ?

That aside, it's a funny read.

12:49 PM

@KitFox

Sipping coffee.

@RegDwigнt Guy's a good writer.

Yeah I recommend his other stuff as well.

1:11 PM

> The basic idea is that if there's a language out there, you need to give it a flag and a little song and the whole deal or it'll be wiped out by the big, bad languages.

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3:08 PM

> The difference between envy and jealousy: Envy is "man, I wish I had that". Jealousy is "I don't want you to have that." The latter is far more poisonous, because you're willingly denying someone you love something they love. [Quoted from my son's friend]

3:22 PM

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@Cerberus vide supra

A neume (; spelled neum in, for instance, the Solesmes publications in English) is the basic element of Western and Eastern systems of musical notation prior to the invention of five-line staff notation. The word is a Middle English corruption of the Greek word for breath ( ). The earliest neumes were inflective marks which indicated the general shape but not necessarily the exact notes or rhythms to be sung. Later developments included the use of heightened neumes which showed the relative pitches between neumes, and the creation of a four-line musical staff that identified particular ...

I remember studying that in music history.

@Robusto there's a Russian idiom for the latter, "a dog on hay". Won't eat itself, and won't give to others.

@RegDwigнt In English it's "Dog in the manger."

Same difference.

OIC

@tchrist I imagine all of this was less thrilling when the monks pulled matins and lauds duty.

3:32 PM

@Robusto You mean the Christmas story got it backwards?

I don't think it had any relationship to direction or fact.

And as I typed that, the etymology of "manger" suddenly became clear. I haven't thought about that word since childhood, probably.

> reverse("dog in a manger") => "regnam a ni god"

Smells like a hidden message in Latin.

cabalistic

3:36 PM

Kingdom not of God?

They misspelled regnum to obscure it.

Or got the accusative wrong, which I think less likely.

If God can be born in a manger, why could a dog not be?

I’m sure there was plenty of room in the barn.

I wonder what effect accent drift had on Church Latin spelling. It was primarily a codified written language, ne?

After a certain point, yes, but not before.

@tchrist In Javascript you have to write "dog in a manger".split('').reverse().join('')

I’m having trouble finding where it stopped being spoken and started being written. Doubtless the slide into medieval Romance was super gradual.

@Robusto Too much work.

chthon(tchrist)% perl -le 'print $god = reverse "dog in a manger"'
regnam a ni god

I guess you don’t have context to help you.

Yeah. But while the spoken language was drifting into French and Spanish, ecclesiastical Latin kept up primarily because of the canonical written sources.

3:43 PM

@Robusto I can do it that way, too, but it’s hardly necessary.

@tchrist Yeah. I don't like that it has to be cast into an Array and back to a String.

chthon(tchrist)% perl -le 'print join("", reverse(split "", "dog in a manger"))'
regnam a ni god

If you reverse a string into a string, it just flips the code points around.

Seems there should be a native String.reverse() method.

Agreed.

It gets dicier with combining characters, alas.

Don't certain codepoint combos work differently when reversed?

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A: How do you reverse a string in place in JavaScript?

function reverse(s){ return s.split("").reverse().join(""); }

Yeah, this is as simple as it gets.

3:46 PM

macbook# echo noël niño | nfd | perl -nle 'print scalar reverse'
õnin l̈eon

Once you decompose, you have Issues.

But this too can be easily remedied:

macbook# echo noël niño | nfd | perl -nle 'print reverse /\X/g'
oñin lëon

Because \X grabs a whole multi-codepoint grapheme cluster.

Nice.

ICU has it too.

So it is available to most languages.

For Python, you need a 3rd party regex library.

God help you in Javascript. I don’t think the normal plugin I recommend for regexes there knows \X, but it may have learned since I last looked.

Funny, but strings in JS can use Array index access. "dog in a manger"[4] => "i"

XRegExp plugin for Javascript.

Nice. I've bookmarked that. It may come in handy.

3:51 PM

If you have ever have to deal with matching Unicode with a regexp in Javascript, it’s imprescindible.

One you have it, you can kinda roll your own \X which sorta mostly works by using (?:\PM\pM*): a nonmark followed by any number of marks, including 0.

Looks nice and compact, too.

Yeah, I glanced at the code.

Scripts and General Categories are the most important; Blocks not so much.

He also provides the other UTS 18 mandatory-at-Level-1 properties, making it Level-1 compliant when combined with Categories and Scripts.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Hello.

Howdy.

Which means you can actually begin to use regexes on Unicode for Javascript. Before he did that, you really could not.

4:25 PM

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Q: Difference between invoke and evoke

What is the difference between the words "invoke" and "evoke"? Please do provide elaborate and comprehensive examples.

meaning word-choice differences american-english british-english

More demands for a hell of a lot of work for nothin’.

Shows lack of research.

You’re asking for a lot of work. What did your prior research discover? What did the dictionaries and usage guides say? Precisely where is the point of contention that you wish cleared up, or which you do not understand? — tchrist 1 min ago

Unclear question.

Too broad.

Too lazy.

Just a gimme.

Self-delete. Pussy.

Damn it, I’m a programmer not a dictionary.

0

A: What does a "meteoric rise" imply?

It comes from the same opposite reversal dialect as Asteroids and Hemorrhoids. Asteroids shoot through the hemispheres and Hemorrhoids are actually on your Ass!!!

This is trademarked by the way. — Matt 1 hour ago

Hi

5:24 PM

!!Hi

@badass Yo.

!!Hi!!

@badass Good [insert appropriate time of day here].

!!bye

@badass Were you trying to invoke me? Use the help command to learn more.

2 hours later…

7:27 PM

In a ruling released Friday, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups ruled language prohibiting polygamous cohabitation in Utah's 1973 statute to be unconstitutional. What’s next, dogs and cats living together?

Which dictionaries did you consult? They should have answered your question, and since apparently they failed to do that, it would be especially good to know which they were. — tchrist 2 hours ago

Mainly google which more or less has similarities with oxford dictionaries. — Grobber 2 hours ago

Like a pizza has more or less similarities with the English Civil War, perhaps.

You sure do learn the darnedest things on the internet, doncha now?

Yep.

Don't Cha now?

:-)

8:28 PM

@tchrist You've never had Naseby pizza, I take it?

0

Q: Can I ask a question about changing the English Language?

Hi, I don't really like English (grammatically, that is; not the literature, culture, etc., which make the language worth it), I just have to use it. It's filled with grammatical and orthographic nonsense (and that's when one writes right - no pun intended). May I make a question asking for giv...

discussion on-topic-off-topic questions appropriate-questions

I am twelve, and what is this?

15 actually

I am not fifteen as a matter of fact. Your actuality has nothing to do with reality.

knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-twelve-years-old-and-what-is-this

icic

I was referring to the OP

But I am not the OP.

QED

8:48 PM

Obsessively Possessed?

Original poster.

@RegDwigнt He’s a {xeno,neo}phobe faux-leftist barely past his quinceañera, and it shows. Badly.

31

A: List of common abbreviations and acronyms (NOAD, ESL, PIE...)

AAVE — African-American Vernacular English AE, AmE — American English AHD — American Heritage Dictionary BE, BrE — British English BNC — British National Corpus CGEL — Cambridge Grammar of the English Language COCA — Corpus of Contemporary American English COHA — Corpus of Historical American En...

@tchrist yeah well don't tell me.

Opie Taylor is a fictional character in the American television program, The Andy Griffith Show which was televised on CBS from October 3, 1960 to April 1, 1968. Opie Taylor appeared in 209 of the 249 episodes of The Andy Griffith Show, and appeared in 2 spin-off shows. Opie is a 6-year-old when the series opens, who lives in the fictional and idealized small, sleepy southern community of Mayberry, North Carolina with his widowed father, Andy Taylor (Andy Griffith), the sheriff of Mayberry County, and his father's spinster aunt, Beatrice "Aunt Bee" Taylor (Frances Bavier). Both Andy and...

Funny how spinster has multiple meanings.

You’d think they would all be spinstresses.

I had to get all my discipline together not to start stupid arguments along the lines of "every second problem in English exists in the exact same form in your mother tongue, and for each of the remaining problems I can name two worse ones in the goobledygook you learned from your mother".

I really tried hard to declare victory and withdraw.

8:56 PM

clap clap clap

And now I hope I can just erase that question from memory.

Turn around, and do not look back.

The longer you live, the more idiots will annoy you.

Everyone needs to learn to walk at some point. It’s just painful to watch again and again and again.

Which is why there can be no God. He has long shot himself.

Or he simply exempted himself from time.

So these things didn’t build up.

Photons do that, you know.

If God were a photon, you could see Him, and you cannot.

9:01 PM

To a photon, time has no meaning.

If I saw a photon, it would die.

But since it knows no time, it would not have lived before that, so nothing of value would be lost.

Instants have no value?

Instants are a dime a dozen. And I am talking Zimbabwean dimes here.

Ten trillion Z-bucks, like the IgNobel prizewinners get.

Oh I didn't know they got prizes.

I mean, apart from the prize.

9:04 PM

Priceless prizes you could never prise from their hands.

Reprise. Da capo al segno.

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Q: Meaning of "branch from"

The two tubes that branch from the trachea are called bronchi. I don't understand what "branch from" means, nor do I understand what this sentence means as a whole.

meaning verbs meaning-in-context

29 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

I am twelve, and what is this?

The two tubes that bronch from the trachea are called branchi.

QED

Note how he doesn't ask about trachea nor bronchi.

9:07 PM

The Ig Nobel award included a cash prize of ten trillion dollars, in Zimbabwean currency.

Ergo he knows what these things are.

Ergo he can draw a picture and deduce the rest.

25 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

QED

The rest of the sentence might as well be in Belorussian.

@tchrist well I'm interested now.

> MATHEMATICS PRIZE: Gideon Gono, governor of Zimbabwe’s Reserve Bank, for giving people a simple, everyday way to cope with a wide range of numbers — from very small to very big — by having his bank print bank notes with denominations ranging from one cent ($.01) to one hundred trillion dollars ($100,000,000,000,000).

Who do I have to research to get that prize?

9:09 PM

He won in 2009.

The bar is low.

A subterranean bar. Like in Inglourious Basterds.

JOINT PRIZE IN BIOLOGY AND ASTRONOMY: Marie Dacke [SWEDEN, AUSTRALIA], Emily Baird [SWEDEN, AUSTRALIA, GERMANY], Marcus Byrne [SOUTH AFRICA, UK], Clarke Scholtz [SOUTH AFRICA], and Eric J. Warrant [SWEDEN, AUSTRALIA, GERMANY], for discovering that when dung beetles get lost, they can navigate their way home by looking at the Milky Way.

REFERENCE: "Dung Beetles Use the Milky Way for Orientation," Marie Dacke, Emily Baird, Marcus Byrne, Clarke H. Scholtz, Eric J. Warrant, Current Biology, epub January 24, 2013.

ARCHAEOLOGY PRIZE: Brian Crandall [USA] and Peter Stahl [CANADA, USA], for parboiling a dead shrew, and then swallowing the shrew without chewing, and then carefully examining everything excreted during subsequent days — all so they could see which bones would dissolve inside the human digestive system, and which bones would not.
REFERENCE: "Human Digestive Effects on a Micromammalian Skeleton," Peter W. Stahl and Brian D. Crandall, Journal of Archaeological Science, vol. 22, November 1995, pp. 789–97.

PEACE PRIZE: Alexander Lukashenko, president of Belarus, for making it illegal to applaud in public, AND to the Belarus State Police, for arresting a one-armed man for applauding.

PEACE PRIZE: The SKN Company [RUSSIA], for converting old Russian ammunition into new diamonds.

@tchrist the dung beetles are part of the Milky Way. Does that mean they get a free astral flight every time they are lost?

Unscientific description is inscientific.

They’re astrologers.

FLUID DYNAMICS PRIZE: Rouslan Krechetnikov [USA, RUSSIA, CANADA] and Hans Mayer [USA] for studying the dynamics of liquid-sloshing, to learn what happens when a person walks while carrying a cup of coffee.
REFERENCE: "Walking With Coffee: Why Does It Spill?" Hans C. Mayer and Rouslan Krechetnikov, Physical Review E, vol. 85, 2012.

They live in astrolog cabins.

9:14 PM

BIOLOGY PRIZE: Darryl Gwynne (of CANADA and AUSTRALIA and the UK and the USA) and David Rentz (of AUSTRALIA and the USA) for discovering that a certain kind of beetle mates with a certain kind of Australian beer bottle

REFERENCE: "Beetles on the Bottle: Male Buprestids Mistake Stubbies for Females (Coleoptera)," D.T. Gwynne, and D.C.F. Rentz, Journal of the Australian Entomological Society, vol. 22, , no. 1, 1983, pp. 79-80

Now, that one I can see as an honest mistake. Beer goggles and all.

Hm. These are all over the map.

Just compare the two Peace Prizes to one another.

PEACE PRIZE: Arturas Zuokas, the mayor of Vilnius, LITHUANIA, for demonstrating that the problem of illegally parked luxury cars can be solved by running them over with an armored tank.

One is a complete joke, the other one is like Nobel-Prize worthy.

So now I don't get it. Are these Oscars or Razzies?

Seems more like a "whatever I say" sort of prize.

LITERATURE PRIZE: Ireland's police service (An Garda Siochana), for writing and presenting more than fifty traffic tickets to the most frequent driving offender in the country — Prawo Jazdy — whose name in Polish means "Driving License".

If you smear yourself with the blood of a rabbit, then write down all your suggestions on a piece of paper and hide the paper under a rock at midnight when the moon is full, then turn around three times with your eyes closed while whispering "Change! Change! Change!" (in your native tongue, if necessary, one word per turn), the language will change. Imperceptibly for now, perhaps, but give it time. — Robusto 11 secs ago

9:17 PM

MEDICINE PRIZE. Dan Ariely of Duke University (USA), Rebecca L. Waber of MIT (USA), Baba Shiv of Stanford University (USA), and Ziv Carmon of INSEAD (Singapore) for demonstrating that high-priced fake medicine is more effective than low-priced fake medicine..

REFERENCE: "Commercial Features of Placebo and Therapeutic Efficacy," Rebecca L. Waber; Baba Shiv; Ziv Carmon; Dan Ariely, Journal of the American Medical Association, March 5, 2008; 299: 1016-1017.

ECONOMICS PRIZE. Geoffrey Miller, Joshua Tybur and Brent Jordan of the University of New Mexico, USA, for discovering that professional lap dancers earn higher tips when they are ovulating.

REFERENCE: "Ovulatory Cycle Effects on Tip Earnings by Lap Dancers: Economic Evidence for Human Estrus?" Geoffrey Miller, Joshua M. Tybur, Brent D. Jordan, Evolution and Human Behavior, vol. 28, 2007, pp. 375-81.

@Robusto well it did work for Obama.

See?

@Cerberus See below:

BIOLOGY PRIZE: Prof. Dr. Johanna E.M.H. van Bronswijk of Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands, for doing a census of all the mites, insects, spiders, pseudoscorpions, crustaceans, bacteria, algae, ferns and fungi with whom we share our beds each night.

REFERENCES: "Huis, Bed en Beestjes" [House, Bed and Bugs], J.E.M.H. van Bronswijk, Nederlands Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde, vol. 116, no. 20, May 13, 1972, pp. 825-31.
"Het Stof, de Mijten en het Bed" [Dust, Mites and Bedding]. J.E.M.H. van Bronswijk Vakblad voor Biologen, vol. 53, no. 2, 1973, pp. 22-5.

Ferns?

Who’s been sleeping with Fern?

Maybe somebody left the window open.

@RegDwigнt We are an entirely different country now, in that we have a president who is half-black. That's change, baby.

Mkay WTF is going on, is Tom actually copying the entire Internet into this chat?

9:20 PM

Would you prefer the Silmarillion?

@Robusto it's better than that, it's change you can believe in. So it does not even have to be actual change.

With a great deal of trepidation and mistrust based on last year's first part of The Hobbit, I yesterday saw the second installment and was quite surprised, and in a good way. Stephen Fry does a really lovely job as the bombastic, sly, and avaricious Master of Laketown.

One of the funniest lines is when Stephen's oily henchman (think of Edmund in Blackadder's first series) mentions that some of the townsfolk have been muttering about having an election. Stephen says something like "Preposterous! I won't stand for it!" to which his assistant replies "I don't think they'd let you, sire."

He is copying this from somewhere.

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Hey that's my joke.

9:21 PM

I believe in that kind of change.

I first made it, and with that exact picture, too.

@RegDwigнt Good luck finding it.

@RegDwigнt We are so alike. We should be BFFs.

Jul 12 '12 at 12:19, by RegDwight ΒВB

Here's some change you can believe in.

Jul 12 '12 at 12:19, by RegDwight ΒВB

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So yeah. Hand over the coke, willya.

searches for a burro de change

@Robusto Only with reciprocal permission slips from each other’s wives.

9:26 PM

Mar 7 '11 at 18:22, by Robusto

Who reads your shit?

Oh, I've long known the answer to that. Everyone but the people it's destined for.

Also, dude, "reads" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Looks at", please.

It is a picture after all.

9:39 PM

@RegDwigнt I responded to your text, not your picture.

Arrow over.

Who looks at your arrows?

Yolo, dude.

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