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9:01 PM
@TRiG Probably!
Although some practical ones are very good too.
 
@TRiG Yeah exactly.
Wissenschaft geht um wissen, nicht Praxis.
@TRiG Suppose a stranger sent you a message regarding something job-related through Facebook (which awkwardness he acknowledged). Then suppose you noticed he had a gay organisation in his Favourites.
Would it be appropriate to PS your reply by "maybe I'll bump into you at organisation X sometime"?
 
@Cerberus Is that a quotation?
 
@IsaacMoses I err...quoted my own mind.
Does that count?
Das Wort is nicht Machenschaft...
OMG another own-mind quote.
 
Hehe.
 
@Cerberus It seemed like the sort of thing that may have come from some 18th- or 19th-Century philosopher of science, such that the work it came from may have been useful to refer to in rebutting Jeff Atwood.
 
Wissenschaft = "science", although it includes all academic pursuits, like elsewhere on the Continent. Literally "know-ness". Machen-schaft = "make-ness".
@IsaacMoses Heh, well, the word itself says it all. Similarly, Latin scientia means "knowing/knowledge".
 
@Cerberus I'd heard of the former thanks to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wissenschaft_des_Judentums :)
 
Hence science.
@IsaacMoses Yup like that.
 
9:21 PM
@Cerberus Oh, I see. "The word is 'science' not 'practence'"
... except that you can probably say "Machenschaft" in German conversation, and whether it was a word already or not, no one would bat an eyelash
 
Yup like that. (Or facience. Because prakt- is originally Greek, not to be combined with Latin -entia.)
@IsaacMoses Noöne would bat an eyelash in the context of comparing the word to Wissenschaft; in fact, the fact that the word actually exists makes it all the stronger. And it actually has a negative connotation too, so it's perfect.
 
@Cerberus BRB studying all of German. ...
(Seriously, I'd love to be able to read R' Samson Hirsch in the original.)
 
Ohh Jewish sectionalism!
@IsaacMoses Did he write in German in in Yiddish?
 
@Cerberus I'm more interested in his philosophy and Bible interpretation than in his politics. He was very into language, so it's a shame that I have to read his works in translation.
@Cerberus German.
 
OK then go read German!
It's not that hard to learn another Germanic language.
Although German philosophy is very hard...
I once decided I must read Kant in the original German.
Once the endless sentences began to draw to a close and the verb came in sight at last, I had forgotten what the first part of the sentence was about again. Probably because it was several pages back.
I'm exaggerating a little bit.
 
9:32 PM
@Cerberus That's what the English translation of R' Hirsch reads like, too.
 
you Kant be serious
 
@Cerberus Some chinese sentences can be like this.
 
@IsaacMoses Then be on your guard...
 
There'll be a long sub-clause in the sentence and you read and read and read and finally come across a particle which explains that that whole bit was an adverb. or adjective. or whatever.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Actually, any language is like that a little bit...but German has longer sentences than most, and Kant is not an elegant writer, to put it mildly.
 
9:35 PM
@Cerberus "But as atzeret here comes bashemini as an independent festival on its own, and makes the mission of persevering and continuing and holding on before God, into a separate mo'ed-idea, and with it brings to a close, not only the cycle of Festivals of the seventh month, but the whole cycle of the festivals of the whole year, ...
... Shemini Atzeret would that come to tell us, once again to summarise and gather to ourselves all the thoughts and messages and resolutions which the mo'adim of the whole year have brought to us, and to resolve to persevere and hold fast to them before God." (From judaism.stackexchange.com/a/20615/2)
The sentence was too long to fit in a comment here!
 
Naaahh that is totally readable!
 
@Cerberus yeah but it's a standard feature in Chinese. My main problem is that there was no way to indicate at the start of a long segment that this segment functions as an adjective or adverb or whatever.
 
Well, perhaps not readable...but it could have been worse!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, and many IE languages put the finite verb at the end...
 
I once came across a single sentence that filled an entire page in a novel.
 
That's common enough in German...
Especially older German.
And in Latin too.
 
9:39 PM
@MattЭллен so there's this great joke about Kant...or rather it's not about Kant at all, but involves him.
@JosephWeissman The punch line is...
 
it was like "The governess, having eaten her lunch, then proceeded down the stairs, found, contrary to what she had been told, that, this being tuesday, and the baker having performed his usual exercise which was to prepare the pastries for wednesday's weekly celebration, despite this week's forecast of rain, the cat had not been let in, for the gardener was unaware that the burglar was absent."
 
wil have to wait for later... gotta run. commuting.
 
only it went on and on and on and on.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that governess! she's so, you know.
 
9:40 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "Mrs Rachel Lynde lived just where the Avonlea main road dipped down into a little hollow, fringed with alders and ladies' eardrops, and traversed by a brook that had its source away back in the woods of the old Cuthbert place; it was reputed to be an intricate, headlong brook in its earlier course through those woods, with dark secrets of pool and cascade; but by the time it reached Lynde's Hollow it was…"
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 what's that from?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, lovely.
 
@Mitch I don't know! I forgot what the subject of the sentence was, and I wrote it!"
@Mitch it was in "The Turn of the Screw", and I am imitating it's style, not quoting.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ha ha! The subject of the sentence is Mr. Norton. And what the predicate says, he does.
 
we are all subjects of the sentence. the sentence is all powerful
 
9:41 PM
Movies when I get back on!
 
In Latin, a whole story can be a single sentence.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh. Yours was enjoyable. The garden path. well, more aof a path through a garden.
 
The first sentence of Anne of Green Gables is quite long, as noted above.
 
@Mahnax Moby Dick..shortest first line ever. Largest first line to novel length ratio ever.
 
That is, when the same person keeps talking, everything he says is indirect speech, and it can be an endless series of accusativi cum infinitivo without additional ", said he"'s in between.
 
9:43 PM
Geez, the introductory paragraph of The Turn of the Screw itself explains it better than I: gutenberg.org/files/209/209-h/209-h.htm
 
Mark chapter I has the lowest ratio, because the first sentence has a list of 'begat's for about 10 pages....in small script and narrow margins.
 
> The story had held us, round the fire, sufficiently breathless, but except the obvious remark that it was gruesome, as, on Christmas Eve in an old house, a strange tale should essentially be, I remember no comment uttered till somebody happened to say that it was the only case he had met in which such a visitation had fallen on a child.
> The case, I may mention, was that of an apparition in just such an old house as had gathered us for the occasion—an appearance, of a dreadful kind, to a little boy sleeping in the room with his mother and waking her up in the terror of it; waking her not to dissipate his dread and soothe him to sleep again, but to encounter also, herself, before she had succeeded in doing so, the same sight that had shaken him.
two sentences.
this message is too long
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hey, that says your message is too long. Just in case you didn't already notice.
blargh!
 
> ... indicates that Polynesians made it as far as South America. Archeological remains appear to place sweet potato cultivation in the core of Polynesia by the year 1200, and it spread with further migrations to places like New Zealand and Hawaii.
> It's possible that the plant had naturally spread as seeds across the ocean and the Polynesians learned to cultivate it independently. One of the arguments against this is the fact that the Polynesian terms for the crop appear to be closely related to its name in Quechua, the language of the Peruvian Andes. ("Kuumala" and derivatives vs. "kumara" and relatives.)
Fascinating.
20 hours ago, by Cerberus
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Again with this :)
 
9:55 PM
Yup.
I mean, South America! Potatoes!
 
what actually happened was packets of the seed fell from the sky in all those places, and they were labelled, but the spelling got distorted over time.
 
Who knew Cook actually found potatoes in New Zealand?
@MattЭллен Makes sense.
 
it's proof of aliens or time travel, depending on which hypothesis you believe
 
Or both.
UFOs could have spread the seeds.
 
like giant crop dusters
 
10:00 PM
Yeah!
BRB I need to take a little nap.
 
so it all started in Taiwan?
CU
 
A limit-experience is a type of action or experience which approaches the edge of living in terms of its intensity and its seeming impossibility. This approach has led to the seeking of limit experiences as a sort of dark mysticism. A limit experience breaks the subject from itself. The idea is associated with Georges Bataille, Maurice Blanchot, and Michel Foucault. Classical instances of limit experiences include abandonment, fascination, suffering, madness, and poetry. Bataille Working in a French tradition of abjection reaching back to Baudelaire and his paradoxes - "O filthy grand...
 
10:21 PM
@JosephWeissman So this guy was leaving a subway station in New York City and put his pipe in his mouth as he was ascending the steps. A police officer told him that there was no smoking on the subway.The guy pointed out that he was leaving the subway, not entering it, and hadn't lit up yet anyway. The cop again said that smoking was not allowed in the subway, and the guy repeated his comment. The cop said, "If I let you do it, I'd have to let everyone do it."
The guy replied, "Who do you think you are, Kant?"
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Sidney Morgenbesser (September 22, 1921 – August 1, 2004) was a Columbia University philosopher. Born in New York City, he undertook philosophical study at the City College of New York and rabbinical study at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, then pursued graduate study in philosophy at the University of Pennsylvania, where he wrote his Ph.D. thesis under the direction of Nelson Goodman. Morgenbesser returned to Columbia to teach in 1953 and, in 1975, was named the John Dewey Professor of Philosophy there. Morgenbesser was known particularly for his sharp witticisms and humor, w...
 
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Q: Term for strong/weak words (in context)

msh210Over in Mi Yodeya Meta, commenting on the proposed Mi Yodeya site scope — for people who base their lives on Jewish law and tradition and anyone interested in learning more — I mentioned that "I'd replace people with those". When pressed for a reason, I said: Because (a...

 
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Not sure what this is about. In what way is "people" stronger than "those"?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My brother-in law had, on the paternal side, a first cousin whose maternal uncle had a father-in-law whose paternal grandfather had married as his second wife a young native whose brother he had met on one of his travels, a girl of whom he was enamored and by whom he had a son who married an intrepid lady pharmacist who was none other than the niece of an unknown fourth-class petty officer of the Royal Navy and ....
...and whose adopted father had an aunt who spoke Spanish fluently and who was, perhaps, one of the granddaughters of an engineer who died young, himself the grandson of the owner of a vineyard which produced mediocre wine, but who had a second cousin, a stay-at-home, a sergeant-major, whose son had married a very pretty young woman, a divorcee, ....
...whose first husband was the son of a loyal patriot who, in the hope of making his fortune, had managed to bring up one of his daughters so that she could marry a footman who had known Rothschild, and whose brother, after having changed his trade several times, ...
married and had a daughter whose stunted great-grandfather wore spectacles which had been given him by a cousin of his, the brother-in-law of a man from Portugal, natural son of a miller, not too badly off, whose foster-brother had married the daughter of a former country doctor, who was himself a foster-brother of the son of a forrester, himself the natural son of another country doctor, married three times in a row, whose third wife...
it kinda keeps going after that .
Guess where its from!
 
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@Mitch Is this your real story?
 
10:37 PM
@JasonBourne Yeah, totally. It is a non-issue. Any difference (I'm sure there is one) is pretty unimportant.
@JasonBourne How do you like it?
 
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@Mitch I was surprised because I know you seldom talk about your relatives, so this must be fake.
 
@JasonBourne It -is- a story you know.
 
TIL people in Great Britain never get lost.
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Q: when did the term 'get lost' first come to use?

FranceyHave tacked this term to be an American idiom. Does anyone know when it came to popular use or was first used there?

 
user19161
@Mitch Anyway, it asks for a term for such a phenomenon, and none of the answers has addressed that.
 
That's because it is an incoherent question about a phenomenon that is not there.
 
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10:43 PM
Yes, it is just a "gut feeling" that needs further exploration.
 
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Anyway, the way it is written looks impressive, so two upvotes already.
 
@Mitch ah, interesting. You think so?
 
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@RegDwighт It is very subjective, whether people is stronger than those.
 
Because I caught myself agreeing with the OP, but then I caught myself thinking how much of it was self-fulfilling prophecy.
As in, how much of it I would have thunk myself had I not read his explanation first.
 
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Subjective because what is "stronger"?
 
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10:45 PM
One first has to define strength in this case in more objective terms.
 
Well clearly a shark is stronger than a people.
And a gorilla would beat them both.
 
@RegDwighт totally. just because you feel something doesn't mean it's a thing or there's a name for it.
but I could be wrong.
 
Man, I can literally feel how everyone's watching some Obama parade right now or whatever. SE is dormant. The chat rooms are dead. Even all activity on MC questions has dropped dead.
 
What's the word for -that-?
 
@Mitch linguists have names for the weirdest shits.
 
10:49 PM
@RegDwighт Really? what a load of boring crap. a parade?
 
Well the actual inauguration's long over.
 
@RegDwighт GI docs too. There's a taxonomy of poop.
 
user19161
Maybe linguistics is as crappy as psychology.
 
So I can only guess everyone's wathing Oprah watching her audience watching the White House ball or what have you.
 
user19161
So everyone quit and just study math instead, the most awesome discipline.
 
10:50 PM
@RegDwighт nah.. they're all stuck in traffic waiting for the parade to pass.
 
Right. Or that.
 
@JasonBourne ya know.... if it is not the truth, it is the closest to it.
 
As we know, all SE traffic is directed via Washington, D.C. streets.
 
@JasonBourne linguistics is a science. cognitive psychology is a science. counseling psychology is a horoscope.
 
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@Mitch Of course, social sciences are not as rigorous as hard sciences in a sense.
 
10:52 PM
@RegDwighт the corner of penssylvania ave and K street. what a mess.
@JasonBourne I've heard that anything you have to add science to, aint a science.
political science, social science,
 
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@Mitch To me, psychology is not really a science. It is largely bullshit.
 
computer science. your mom.
@JasonBourne If they do experiments and have stats, it's a science. If all they do is talk, not a science.
 
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@Mitch Yes, the problem is how the data is collected and interpreted.
 
user19161
For example, they do tests on mice and then they extrapolate to humans.
 
user19161
Also, two humans are more different than say, two wooden blocks of the same mass and dimensions.
 
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10:55 PM
In physics, we do experiments on wooden blocks.
 
user19161
In psychology, we ask humans questions.
 
user19161
See the difference?
 
user19161
So, we can call it a science, which is just a label after all.
 
user19161
But we must know the limitations of these data used to draw conclusions.
 
11:30 PM
@JasonBourne You're thinking of medicine.
Also "in psychology, we ask humans questions" is false. We do some question asking, and we're quite good at asking the right questions, but a lot of experiments aren't that type at all.
 
how are you today guys?
 
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@MετάEd Yes, just saying that's one aspect of it. =)
 
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11:53 PM
@MετάEd Is your colour "amber" exactly according to the colour code?
 
@JasonBourne Yes, unless I screwed up which is always a possibility.
Specifically it's SAE amber.
 
user19161
@MετάEd OK, so far I used "blue", "steelblue" and "dodgerblue".
 
{| align="right" | |- | {| |+Amber as a tertiary color |- | |- | |- | |} |} The colour amber is a pure chroma color, located on the color wheel midway between yellow and orange. The color-name is derived from the material also known as amber, which is commonly found in a range of yellow-orange-brown-red colors; likewise, as a color amber can refer to a range of yellow-orange colors. In English the first recorded use of the term as a color-name, rather than a reference to the specific substance, was in 1500. SAE/ECE amber Amber is one of several technically defined colors used in automo...
 

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