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2:01 PM
That's what he said too. Funny how it happens like that.
 
2:11 PM
So @RegDwight I'm not going to answer that question. I retract my objection to moving it to ling.se
 
What the... what.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, to hell with gladiator movies. I'll just use this.
 
@KitFox Whatever waves your wand.
 
2:19 PM
@KitFox I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next!
 
...ah, not that one.
I don't think that would do it for me.
 
ok you lost me
 
I find even the memory of the scene where he discovers his son's body very upsetting.
 
It is a surprisingly decent movie for something with so many cheesy anachronisms in it.
 
@KitFox how about watching Hercules with, uh, that guy...
Kevin Sorbo!
no blood, granted, but still, lots of sweaty men
 
2:21 PM
oh you're talking about the movie "Gladiator"... haven't seen it.
 
@MattЭллен Hmm. That's actually a pretty good idea.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Russell Crowe is a cheesy anachronism.
 
it's quite funny too :)
 
@KitFox he's Australian.
 
Same thing.
 
My point.
 
2:23 PM
or Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda
 
That one's not Australian.
 
not so much naked flesh in that, though
 
Russell Crowe was really cool in that one movie where he played a gay teenager. He wasn't famous or even known at that time.
Oh, and The Insider is not bad either. Probably because you can't recognize him there.
 
The Crossing?
No.
Romper Stomper?
No.
 
The Sum of Us.
 
2:26 PM
Geez. There are a lot of movies I've never heard of that he's been in.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Hey, that could work!
 
I am here to work.
 
Quote from around 2010:
 
not a lot said in those days, eh?
 
2:29 PM
> Intel manages the censorship for the Tunesian military, and they (Intel) don't even know it.
 
Quote from around 0:
 
Hi!
 
Mar 7 '11 at 13:18, by Robusto
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hi @Cerberus :)
 
Hi!
 
2:29 PM
hi @KitFox :)
 
Hi!
 
I think the above is quite interesting.
 
hello @RegDwight :)
 
Can we go back to deciding what hot sweaty men things will help stimulate my libido?
 
2:30 PM
@Cerberus how did they do that and not know it?
@KitFox yes!
 
23 hours ago, by KitFox
Would you understand it better if they substituted male genitalia for the coke bottle?
 
Hot and sweaty I can see. Pictured from left to right. But men?
 
@KitFox how about WWE?
 
@KitFox what about Raiders of the Lost Ark?
 
2:31 PM
@MattЭллен youtube.com/…
It's really weird.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, now that's a very interesting idea. I am rather fond of Harrison Ford...
 
@Cerberus added to "watch later"
 
@KitFox He's so dashing
 
Intel bought McAffee, which bought another company, which bought Smartfilter, the American company that provides censorship tools to all sorts of countries around the globe, like Iran and Tunisia.
 
oh!
I look forward to watching that thing later
 
2:33 PM
@MattЭллен Hehe, it's pretty long (I linked to the relevant bit, which is where I am at in the video).
 
@Cerberus groovy - is it important to watch it? I could listen to it over dinner
 
Some very, very interesting stuff is going on in the development of the internet.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 THat might help, but I'd have to stare at it a long time, I think.
 
@Cerberus Well looks like Intel... puts on sunglasses... don't have enough intel.
4
 
YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2:35 PM
@MattЭллен No, you could probably follow it very well just by the sound (I, as a layman, need to rewind now and then). But I've only watched the beginning yet. And some parts may be boring for you.
 
BAHWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWAHHH
 
TO THE GROUND
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Haha exactly!! Poor wretches.
We really are in a transitional period.
 
I predict that the future of the internet will for a large part be decided during this decade.
 
2:37 PM
rolls eyes and reaches for bong
 
I predict that you will forget your prediction during this decade.
 
It may turn out to remain an eternal arms race.
 
I hope that the internet removes itself from the telco's infrastructure and becomes its own nation state
 
Good suggestion! But how?
 
but I'm a crazy
 
2:38 PM
Heh.
I think the best-case scenario is if parties who want to restrict are just forced to give up from attrition.
 
@Cerberus well, routers are pretty cheap - getting a peer to peer, city-wide, wireless network should be easy if everyone co-operates.
 
Worst case scenario is an continual arms race.
 
getting that nationwide is more difficult because people live in crappy places
 
@MattЭллен And people are known for their cooperating.
;-)
 
@MattЭллен But what if the government decides the city's network needs to be regulated?
 
2:39 PM
> An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning.
 
yeah. I'm really good at cooperating on my own
@Cerberus how would they do that? it's not owned by anyone
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Exactly. But their coffers are still bulging; attrition will take a fair amount of time, and considerable damage to the non-internet can be done in the meantime (the internet itself will always be one step ahead).
 
it's not centralised, so making rules for it is like making rules for Anonymous
 
@MattЭллен They would just forbid it and have the police cut the cables, in the most extreme scenario? Iran would do that.
 
@Cerberus wireless
 
2:41 PM
@Cerberus ahem, wire less
 
@MattЭллен But Anonymous has the real internet as a place to hide and operate in.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Distortion.
A city is the easiest place to distort wireless networks in.
 
@Cerberus If the people are determined enough, there are ways around that
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 You'd need lots and lots of power, wouldn't you?
 
@Cerberus yeah if you want to completely block all wireless communication ever for the whole city
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Only certain bandwidths.
 
2:42 PM
@Cerberus No, you just get adaptive radios
@Cerberus why would an illegal wireless network care about what bandwidth it uses?
 
Radios that adapt their frequency?
 
@Cerberus yeah
 
like shields that adapt to multi-frequency phasors
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I imagine only certain bandwidths are practical?
 
@Cerberus mainly due to legal reasons
 
2:44 PM
probably in the FM range
 
@MattЭллен Data, make it so!
 
@MattЭллен When I was trying to com up with the Sinister Seven last night, my son says "tch Not the Mandarin, Mommy. He and Dr. Doom can't cooperate. He doesn't share well, and he's always fighting with MODOK."
 
aye captain
 
@KitFox awesome
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Is that so? Could high-speed internet work on GSM frequencies?
 
2:44 PM
@Cerberus of course, that's what the phone networks are doing
 
@KitFox awww. That's brilliant!
 
the problem is interference
as in, the phone networks are using that bandwidth
 
Meetings. Laters.
 
cya @Robusto :)
 
@Robusto Bye!
 
2:45 PM
but in a hostile radio environment you don't care who else is using a particular piece of bandwidth, you care about which bandwidth isn't in use
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Huh? Then why do governments sell UMTS frequencies for billions?
@Robusto Bye!
 
@Cerberus because they can, and because the radio frequencies are heavily regulated.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 How about distorting any and all frequencies that aren't taken by some government-approved service?
 
so only certain things can be done in certain bandwidths
@Cerberus illegal radio operators won't care, they'll use the government frequencies
 
Hmm so the governemt could have said, "hey, telecom operators, you may just use GSM frequencies for your high-speed internet", and it would be possible?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Then what if the government makes sure the approved services use extreme amplification?
 
2:47 PM
@Matt @Mrshiny: Here is the beginning of last night's bedtime story.
 
SOME things actually care about the frequency because different wavelengths have different characteristics regarding how far the signal travels, power required, and wall penetration.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I thought that was the case with 3G...?
 
@Cerberus well, it costs a lot to do that
@Cerberus I don't think it's just that. I think it's because the various bandwidths are allocated in blocks and certain blocks are "full", i.e. nobody wants to add more traffic to a given block.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah. But it should be fairly easy to exceed what individuals can manage on their own? Especially if you regulate power companies?
 
But any two radios that need to communicate could theoretically use just about any frequency
 
2:49 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hmm I see.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Wall penetration can be greatly facilitated with glory holes.
 
There are proposals out there for nearly unlimited deregulation of radio frequencies, because doing so would allow way more communication to happen
@KitFox takes notes
 
@KitFox Or Support Carriers.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hmm so how would interference be avoided, then?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Granted.
 
2:50 PM
New active war BTW.
 
Anyway, I think it would be impractical for a government to suppress a truly widespread attempt at communication, if the operators were well-enough equipped.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Aren't they a wall themselves? My Reapers can never punch a hole in them...
(Not a hint, btw.)
 
Iran and china could do it because they're not afraid to just kill people on flimsy pretexts. But America couldn't do it.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 True.
But it is theoretically possible that laws should change...
Terrorism could be a good pretext.
Start by blocking all wireless communication in subways and airports.
 
@Cerberus Well, consider the war on drugs. The US has very strict laws but they're pretty ineffectual.
 
2:52 PM
The UK govt. would (I hope) applaud such an effort. LOL who am I kidding? they would try to shut it down through copyright laws and such.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 True. But drugs should be much harder to block than radio!
@MattЭллен Hmm are they that bad?
 
@Cerberus well, not really. they require a lot of physical equipment and they have to be moved around.
 
They could just say it was a health concern.
 
Radio is ephemeral.
 
@Cerberus yeah. they monitor all of our communications based on that pretext, that and terrorism
 
2:53 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 They?
@MattЭллен Hmm would you say they are worse than America?
 
@Cerberus drug manufacturing requires equipment and drug sales require transport of physical goods
 
By the way, does anyone know whether France still has three-strikes-out? And England?
 
@Cerberus I don't know.
 
Hmm...
 
I have finally found that question BTW.
 
2:55 PM
@Cerberus for what? Internet copyright infractions? I don't think we have it
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 True; but it is very hard to separate drugs from legal goods and people.
 
But I hesitate to link to it because it's right in the middle of Kosmo leaving.
 
@MattЭллен Oh OK.
Good.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Which one?
 
I hope not anyway. it's a ridiculous rule
 
@Cerberus the supposedly gen-ref one.
Jul 12 '11 at 21:39, by Rebecca Chernoff
@Martha, was just going for an example of general reference. If you can open a dictionary and find the answer, chances are it is legit.
Jul 12 '11 at 21:41, by RegDwight
@RebeccaChernoff The thing is, sometimes a question that is answered by opening a dictionary can be answered much more awesomely. I kind of tried to set an example this very morning.
Jul 12 '11 at 21:42, by RegDwight
I came there, it had three answers that would make it a general reference. I tried to turn it into something better.
Jul 12 '11 at 21:42, by RegDwight
But the thing is, it's still the same freaking question.
Jul 12 '11 at 21:47, by Rebecca Chernoff
@RegDwight that's great. Hold the community to a higher standard. That's excellent. An upvote for you! (:
That was her answer.
I think I physically facepalmed myself at that point.
 
2:57 PM
Yeah, I remember that conversation.
 
@MattЭллен This says you have it:
Graduated response, also known as three strikes, is an approach, adopted in several countries, aimed at reducing unlawful file sharing. In response to online copyright infringement, the creative industries reliant on copyright advocate a "graduated response" that sees consumers sent a series of notification letters, first informing them, then warning them, they are infringing copyright. Repeat-infringers risk intermediate technical measures such as bandwidth reduction, protocol blocking and, in a worst-case scenario, temporary account suspension. The content industry has thought to gain th...
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Haha yes. She doesn't seem to get it at all.
 
But yeah. Don't click through and read. It's right in the middle of Kosmo throwing the towel.
 
@Cerberus that sucks
I hate the goverment whenever they try and regulate the internet
 
3:00 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Do you still talk to him?
 
they always fail
 
@KitFox I have no reason to. He only knows me from the site. I can't just meddle with his life because I surfed the Internet once.
I told him how to easily find me, the rest is up to him.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Bummer. I wouldn't consider that meddling though, if you had a friendship.
 
I miss his lingua franca.
 
3:02 PM
Friendship is a grand word. We knew and liked each other.
 
@MattЭллен I know!!
> Critics say that the British government is considering policies similar to those it has criticized in totalitarian and one-party states.[46] And in the immediate aftermath of the riots, Iran, often criticized by the West for restricting the Internet and curbing free speech, offered to “send a human rights delegation to Britain to study human rights violations in the country".[47]
 
Internet censorship in the United Kingdom takes various forms, including blocking access to sites, and laws that criminalise publication or possession of certain material, particularly child pornography, within the United Kingdom. The U.K. has a notable libertarian tradition, manifested by, among other things, solid guarantees of freedom of expression, freedom of information, and protection of privacy. Freedom of expression and protection of privacy over the Internet is guaranteed by law. Nonetheless, over the last few years there has been a shift toward increased surveillance and police...
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Yes, but I didn't know until just now that this site was the extent of your connection.
 
Oh, well.
 
3:03 PM
@KitFox Well it's not like you and I are going out to parties. You haven't even sent me the pie yet.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 True, but you both knew and liked Kosmo better.
 
She didn't?? Poor cockroaches.
 
@Cerberus so much for freedom of speech
 
@MattЭллен Yeah, it's silly.
 
@KitFox I didn't like him better than pie. That's a myth. Likewise, he preferred NY bagles over me any time.
 
3:05 PM
Our government would do similar things, but thankfully parliament is mostly against it.
 
Besides, the apples aren't ripe until late September.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Only if measured in F!
 
@Cerberus yay for you! :)
 
Mar 16 '11 at 14:22, by RegDwight
Let the mighty bagle soar!
 
@MattЭллен And we all have the EU, thankfully! They're mostly good people, especially the Court of Justice.
They and the EP will destroy ACTA if needed.
 
3:06 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 The moar u edit, the funnier it get.
 
Speaking of bagles, Ima get me breakfast. Ain't eaten nuttin yet.
 
@Cerberus we have that too, but most people don't realise and also our govt. is allowed to just ignore them
 
@KitFox Sadly I can only edit it seven more times.
 
@MattЭллен Is it??
 
@Cerberus sort of.
like, we're not in the Euro
 
3:07 PM
Or Schengen.
 
other countries have similar provision. i can't think of things we've just not done
@RegDwightѬſ道 exactly
 
You just won't let me in. As opposed to the Um-err-I-can!s, who'd gladly let me in though not out.
 
the working week legislation is optional here (for employees)
@RegDwightѬſ道 they would detain you?
 
Well it's nothing personal. Now that they can't detain me they have passed legislation that allows them to detain each other.
You know, for fun and all.
 
for some reason lots of people want to pull out of the EU entirely. I much prefer being friendlier.
 
3:11 PM
Pulling out isn't 100% safe though.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 fun and profit!
@KitFox especially if you get the rhythm wrong
 
The EU does have a communication problem. Just like any govenrment, really.
 
@MattЭллен Or you're just inexperienced.
 
That's a subset, not an or.
 
If you says so.
 
3:12 PM
I say many things when the day is long.
 
Or is inclusive!
 
@MattЭллен But you are held by the verdicts of the E. Court, aren't you?
 
Hello Matt. Welcome to ELU. We speak in complete sentences here.
 
I am scrubbing screenshots. Still. I hate my project lead. Still.
 
I can't do this all on my own, I'm no superman.
 
3:14 PM
@Cerberus yes
 
@KitFox Would you say this has intensified, weakened, or remained about the same?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Wow. That is so right and proper.
 
@MattЭллен OK good. Then your probably can't adopt ACTA.
 
@Cerberus Or both!
 
@Cerberus I really really hope that's the case
 
3:15 PM
And some of your laws would probably be struck down if put before the Court, the ones regarding privacy.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Hao?
 
@Cerberus On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being "away from my father's deathbed" and 10 being "having multiple orgasms," I'd rate this as a 4 on the scale of things I would like to repeat.
 
@Cerberus A, B, C, or both. That's how.
 
Speaking of, I mentioned that my senior year of college, the place I went mandated multiple choice exams.
 
@KitFox scrubbing them? of identifing data?
 
10 being "having multiple choice exams".
 
3:17 PM
@MattЭллен The problem is that the case needs to be taken to the E. Court, or everyone will just implement it. But in this case implementation of ACTA is also tied to the EP's approval, which it won't give; I don't think any EU country can and/or will implement ACTA without the EP's approval.
 
I had one fucking idiot prof who would write choices like:
a) rain
b) snow
c) precipitation
d) none of the above
e) all of the above.
@MattЭллен Yes.
 
@KitFox I have never heard you talk about B. in such a friendly manner!
 
@KitFox so which one would you tick off?
 
I'd leave it blank.
 
Haha.
 
3:18 PM
That's not a choice.
 
it's always a choice
 
Choosing to do nothing is a choice.
 
That's how you got Bush!
 
That's not true! I voted!
 
3:18 PM
Twice!
sulks
 
And that's how you got Bush!
Anyhoo. I have screenshots to scrub as well.
Mostly it's just svn rm *gif.
 
Wow! I feel so sympatico with you today, @Reg.
 
But still.
 
Well, it's my own damn fault for pointing out that it was a really bad idea to do a live demonstration with a system about which he knew nothing.
 
Ain't that the default, him not knowing anything?
Don't point out axioms to people.
Me, I'm basically destroying my last twelve years worth of work.
 
3:21 PM
is confused
 
Alas, people are deaf.
 
Twelve years of work? Couldn't you just put it in a box somewhere?
 
Well allegedly I could do an SVN restore or something.
 
btw @Cerb, in one of the Canadian ridings where there is alleged robo-call election tampering, the conservative candidate (who would have benefited from the tampering) won by only 18 votes
 
Which of course is a lie given how we switch version control systems every other year.
Some of it will persist in the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine.
 
3:24 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Wow!! That is outrageous. I hope there will be a full public enquiry? God, I sound so like Sir Humphrey now...
But seriously, they should investigate that and punish people!
 
@Cerberus yeah it looks like there will be an investigation.
 
Good.
 
sadly I think the PM is too canny to get caught red-handed. But this is exactly the sort of guy he is.
 
Meeting. Later.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 you have 12 years of work in a single svn repository?
 
3:31 PM
Well no.
As I said, we switch version control systems quite often.
This work first got committed into the current repository like two years ago.
 
Ah I get it
but still, you have work from 12 years ago in the same repository as your current work
 
In a sense, yes.
 
my work from 12 years ago is in SourceSafe in a company that no longer exists.
 
I wish I could commit my LEGO creations to a repository. And check them out twelve years later.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 that'd be neat
hmmm
 
3:51 PM
I've been trying to think of a useful lego app for mobile phones
 
Morning!
My work from 12 years ago was in ... um ... probably Yahoo Geocities.
I was in high school.
 
I saw that one!
I watch/listen to Colbert and Stewart while I'm cleaning up the kitchen and such.
 
> I don't get why Elie Wiesel is so upset about his name being on a list
 
Or at least Colbert (my husband watches the Stewart episodes if he's home without me and saves me Colbert since they often cover a lot of the same stuff).
 
4:00 PM
It's on after my bedtime so I don't watch nearly enough of it
 
I was laughing so hard I almost cried at that point.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, but it's in the free Hulu!
 
@aediaλ only for 'merkins
 
Wait really?
 
They don't let you get to that in your interwebs?
That's preposterous!
 
4:02 PM
they actually have whole episodes on comedy central's site too
THAT one can be tricked into thinking any computer is a proxy for an american customer. So sometimes I do that.
 
I don't have cable or anything and those are really the only shows I've consistently watched for years.
On occasion (travel or something) I've tried to watch regular news and just been horrified. It's nothing like pundits or NPR! :)
 
Geocities, huh. Good times. We should've kept that rather than reinventing it from scratch every other year.
 
user19161
Geocities is history right?
 
user19161
Maybe someone will say it is geography instead.
 
tiny sniffle Yep. All those tiled backgrounds and site-under-construction images and big glowing mouseover effect buttons and reaaaaly long pages and broken guestbooks...
 
user19161
4:13 PM
Sniffling is not good. Use a tissue to blow your nose instead.
 
user19161
When you sniffle, mucus goes in, but you really want it to come out.
 
But by dose is stuffy!
 
@aedia smooch
 
@KitFox Hiya!
 
Did you hear about All Dead Mormons Are Now Gay?
@Reg Should I put any effort into No Limit?
wonders if it is not a coincidence that students requiring literacy intervention have poorly spelled names
dances with herself
 
4:51 PM
@KitFox Haha, poor things.
 
Oh noes! My salad dressing has congealed.
Ack! And no spoon for yogurt.
@aediaλ I mean, seriously, a girl named "Trinaty" just has to have the odds stacked against her.
 
@KitFox Lick it!
 
blushes
 
@KitFox Oh yes, I feel so very sorry for the ones with slight alterations like that.
 
And like that, it just has to be a spelling mistake. I mean, if it were "Trynyti" or something, that's just the mom trying to be clever.
 
4:57 PM
Let me guess, you've probably also got a Jordyn and a Mathew or somesuch?
 
Yep. Brayden and Jayden.
 
giggles
tries to stifle giggles for poor kids' sake
 
So it's pretty much kids with poorly spelled names, and kids with very foreign sounding names.
Can't be a coincidence.
 
I'm really not a fan of this -den name craze and the "y" thing. I do feel bad for people who named their children on the beginning of the cusp of popularity.
 
Also makes me wonder if the foreign names are also poor spellings.
 

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