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12:20 AM
14 hours ago, by RegDwighт
@Robusto wow, that's formatting to the max. Bold and italics and monospaced and in quotes. John has outlawlered himself.
@RegDwighт It occurs to me that this is something we can measure.
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Q: Measuring typographical emphasis: the “lawler” and “lawler weight”

MετάEd RegDwighт said: @Robusto wow, that's formatting to the max. Bold and italics and monospaced and in quotes. John has outlawlered himself.¹ It occurs to me that this is something we can measure. I propose that a single character’s lawler weight (lw) be the standard unit of measure of the typ...

 
12:45 AM
@JSBձոգչ Somebody say they wanted to see my boobs?
ears prick up
 
1:25 AM
@KitFox I obviously have the wrong preoccupation.
 
1:51 AM
@MετάEd What do you mean wrong preoccupation?
 
2:13 AM
@Mitch 'Princetard' bwahahaha!
poof
 
2:37 AM
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Q: What exactly constitutes a verb in English, and is it the same thing as a predicate?

Lucy llamaIn the following sentence: John McAdam and Thomas Teleford made important advances in road construction during the early 1800s. Why is "made advances" not the verb? Are predicate and verb the same thing?

Edited the above for reopening so that John Lawler's excellent answer might be resurrected. And @MετάEd's new typographical unit is not cast upon the dust pile of EL&U history.
@KitFox You mean there's someone who hasn't seen those yet?
 
2:49 AM
I haven't.
At least, I don't remember.
 
@SonicTheHedgehog That's kind of worse, actually.
 
@Robusto i have followed your lead
 
@Robusto Do you understand his answer?
He does not motivate his predicate.
I don't understand why he cuts it off after "in".
 
@Cerberus No. I praised it and voted to reopen the question because I don't understand anything about it.
 
@Robusto ...Why?
 
2:58 AM
@SonicTheHedgehog You apparently don't recognize sarcasm when you see it.
 
The internet needs a sarcasm mark.
...wow.
Doing my homework, just realised that I wrote on the notebook itself.
facepalm
Now I have to erase them.
 
@Robusto Ehh...how novel.
I'm supposed to understand it, but see my comment.
I have seen the word predicate used in several different ways. Sometimes a distinction is even made between predicate, predication, and another term I forgot. (It may have had something to do with combinations of verb phrase, complements, and adjuncts/satellites.) I was wondering what criteria you used to delimit the predicate in your answer. — Cerberus 14 mins ago
 
@Robusto Don't keep your hopes up. My proposal has already gotten a closevote.
 
I'm not happy with the answer as it is and I cannot vote for it. I will withhold judgement until I receive further explanation.
 
3:14 AM
@Cerberus Excellent question. Let's see if he responds. Look, I'm just excited to have this kind of discussion in EL&U. I'm sick to death of all the "What does until mean?" questions and it's way past time we elevated the conversation.
For example:
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Q: What is the word for "to go back (of time)"?

TheoWhat's the word for "to go back" of time? I'm trying to say that time cannot go back. E.g., I wish I was a child again, but time does not "go back".

 
Oh, I agree.
If only Lawler were as open to discussion as Alex B.
 
I wish @JohnLawler would take a look at my "try and vs. try to" question and a couple others.
 
It is really interesting how our brains twist our common sense to accept cray stuff as normal life. Like one time where I dreamt of 3 red, green and blue suns and I didn't care.
Also I like -t suffix better than -ed. Not sure why.
 
@SonicTheHedgehog Warpt mind.
 
@MετάEd :D
 
3:30 AM
 
Hey @Robusto, just few more until you reach 100k.
 
@Robusto You know you can sing the Macarena to that.
 
3:47 AM
YES
 
Does anyone know of a term for "fear of repeated numbers"?
 
All hail, my new styled name is coming.
 
I know people with latin powers can just make these up on the fly... But I have none of such powers.
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Hmm...
Iteratiopobia?
hold on, that's just a fear of repetition.
uhh..
:P
What do you guys think of my newly styled name?
 
@GorchestopherH Do you want a made-up Latin term?
 
3:54 AM
I thought there was a term for it....
 
What is a repeated number anyway?
 
Actually... I do have irrational fear of long numbers. :( Not lying.
 
the fear of numbers like "3:33" or "12/12/12" or "8.8.8.8"
 
Uhh...
Is this fear common?
 
My nightmares when I was little would include seeing loooong elevator room number right above an elevator and freaking out.
 
3:56 AM
Understandable.
 
it's probably the 3rd most common numeral related fear, and people do have the phobia.
 
@Cerberus No you don't. You can't understand...
shudders
 
@GorchestopherH 127.0.0.1. Now that's a horrible one.
 
It lessened gradually over the years, but still.
 
@SoɳɨȼƮħeǶeÐɠeħoɠ Oh man, you don't even want to know the wacked out crazy nightmares I'd have when I was young and feverish.
 
3:57 AM
I also have fear of clocks.
especially clocks with roman numerals on them.
 
@MετάEd Hey, there's no place like home.
 
@GorchestopherH I was not feverish during those nightmares, is that a good thing or a bad thing I wonder.
 
@SoɳɨȼƮħeǶeÐɠeħoɠ shrug
So, no one's heard of that phobia I take it?
 
4:38 AM
wheee! i got prizes in tonight's magic tourney
 
 
1 hour later…
5:41 AM
Okay, Lawler is using predicate logic to explain linguistic predicates...
I am flabbergasted.
Why, oh, why?
A linguistic predicate ≠ a logical predicate.
Different disciplines.
Even the surrounding terminology is different, such as "transitive" and various thematic roles.
Both are fine in their respective areas.
 
5:59 AM
@JohnLawler: So you truly mean predicates as used in predicate logic. I believe the conversion from natural sentence to logical proposition is always and necessarily somewhat arbitrary, depending on personal choice (which is not a problem). But it does make me wonder what you based your conversion on. For example, why not pick made advances as your predicate? Or made? Or made advances during? Do you base that on focality/topicality, or what? — Cerberus 7 secs ago
 
 
3 hours later…
8:56 AM
Hey @Reg, do you need one of these for your lego?
 
 
1 hour later…
Jez
10:02 AM
@DavidWallace lol!
 
@DavidWallace no, I can build one of these out of my LEGO.
 
How on earth does it tell the colours apart?
 
Mindstorms.
The starter package has a color sensor, light sensor, touch sensor and some other sensor.
 
@RegDwighт So your lego could sort itself?
 
If it had to, yes.
 
10:12 AM
Whatever you do, don't let your lego talk to your 3D printer.
 
Haha. Yes, that's the plan. Build a 3D printer out of LEGO that prints LEGO that sorts itself.
 
I hope your lego never decides that you're a threat to its existence.
 
I wouldn't mind if the world were run by Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene. It would be way better than any of the current politicians, and more colorful, too. And if it did screw up things from time to time, it could just rebuild them to make a better world.
 
11:11 AM
@Reg: Did you ever sort @Cerb out on the Mozart libretto thing?
 
Jez
11:29 AM
ok, that's it. women should be banned from offices.
they just stand around chatting all day
unless that's their job description, in which case they need to get a dedicated "chatting about tedious irrirating shit" room, ban em.
let's have an eavesdrop...
they were talking about batteries, then wine, then 50 Shades of Grey... spoofing it with something called "50 slices of cake"
on and on and on
oh, and that's about the 10th woman who's asked her how she's feeling. she's slightly ill.
 
12:02 PM
@Robusto Some people like them enough to want to see them again.
 
12:42 PM
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Q: What is the exact meaning of "English"? Why this language identified as "English"?

DeepakWhen I am searching some meaning of english word, it striked in my mind that what is the meaning of the word "English". And why this language called as "English"? What is the reason behind this? If anyone knows, lets clear now. Thanks in advance.

Gen ref.
@KitFox Sorry, I guess I ran out of dollar bills. I'll catch you next time around.
 
@Robusto Yeah, sure. No problem. I take credit cards too.
 
Em1
1:33 PM
@RegDwighт Hey, how would you translate "Dickes Ding" into English? ;)
 
Very carefully.
 
good morning
 
Good morning.
Did you fix your app issue?
 
Jez
has there been an objective study on the work/chatter ratio of men and women in offices?
 
@KitFox Not yet. But we figured out that it's due to akamai
 
Jez
1:40 PM
i think employers could make a good argument that women deserve less pay because statistically, they really do less work
 
Em1
@Jez Do you think that woman spend more time in chats during work time?
 
Jez
yes
 
Em1
I'm pretty sure that's not true.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I looked at akamai and thought "wasabi peas."
 
@Jez When they start penalizing smokers for every single break they take, or making you clock out to go to the bathroom, or docking pay for visiting chat sites, THEN they'll be in a position to dock pay for chatter.
 
Jez
1:41 PM
well they're STILL blabbing on about the minutiae of their lives round here
have been all day
at least im not causing noise disturbance for other workers
 
maybe they've already finished their work
 
Jez
maybe they have no work and are surplus to requirements
 
Em1
You should also compare different kinds of jobs.
 
@KitFox apparently it's a Hawaiian word
 
@Robusto um. What libretto? And who is Mozart?
@Em1 Fatso? Biggie? Yo mama? Context?
 
1:47 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Mmm. Pizza.
 
@KitFox hey, my son can eat pizza now.
even though he's allergic to milk
 
Huh.
 
turns out if you bake the milk for 20 mins at 350, it changes enough so that he can have it.
 
Yay!
 
Em1
@RegDwighт "Ein heftiges, umfangreiches Problem"
 
1:48 PM
So he can't drink milk or eat cheese but he can eat lasagna.
 
@Em1 a big fish to fry?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's great! Maybe yogurt too then?
 
@KitFox only if it's cooked
 
Oh. So the bacteria don't break it down enough?
 
Em1
@RegDwighт Well, close. Not sure if it fits accurately.
 
1:50 PM
@KitFox I'm not sure. It has to do with changing the milk protein.
cooking it breaks it up or something.
 
Well, still. Pizza is pretty foundational. So hooray!
 
@KitFox hooray! now if only he liked it. So far he doesn't like pizza. doesn't like baked mac and cheese. doesn't like baked pasta with sauce and cheese.
 
Hahaha. Is that always the case?
 
I’m afraid I can see no way that this is not off-topic:
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Q: Are there any insulting vegetable names?

Armen ԾիրունյանA vegetarian friend of mine posted a status on facebook: You are what you eat. That's why I don't eat cows, chickens or pigs. My main point was that being (called) "a vegetable"(=brain-dead) is no better than being (called) "a cow"(=fat), "a pig", or "a chicken"(=a coward). A counterargumen...

 
@KitFox He's a picky eater. It's hard to predict what he'll eat. Plus he's started following his picky sister's lead; if she rejects something he might reject it too.
 
2:04 PM
My eldest is eating like a horse.
Which is to say a lot.
He might grow right through 5Ts this month, and we only just started putting him in them in September.
On the other hand, the littlest seems to hate eating. He's not put on any weight in the last six months.
He's grown about three inches though.
He's outpacing his brother in height.
 
My two kids both weigh 30 lbs. My daughter is 4 1/2 but she's the size of a 3yo.
My son usually eats a lot, but only certain foods. My daughter just doesn't eat much.
 
Wow. My almost five-year-old is 42 lbs. The little one is 27 lbs.
 
@Cerberus I looked up "apple" on Urban Dictionary and there's like a million pages of definitions for "a shitty company that makes overpriced products" or whatever.
 
I weighed 50 lbs when I was eleven.
 
Jez
22.6kg
 
2:10 PM
by next year I think my son will be bigger and taller than his sister.
 
Guy 1: Hey, want to go to the Apple Store and get a iPod Touch?
Guy 2:No. I would rather spend money on something that's worth 400 bucks. Like cocaine and hookers.
Hahahaha
You said it.
 
@Jez TMI
 
> a 4-8 player game consisting of only men standing in a circle surrounding an apple. The players start to masturbate, last one to ejaculate has to eat the apple.
Some people have strange imaginations
 
WWWTMFI
Odd notion of game, too.
 
It's just a variation on circle jerk.
I thought everyone had played that.
 
2:14 PM
I still wonder whether that’s not just an urban legend kind of thing, that it never really happens.
Sure, circle jerks happen. But limp biscuits?
 
i don't even know what a "limp biscuit" actually is
please don't enlighten me
 
s/apple/biscuit/
 
@JSBձոգչ If you know what a circle jerk is, you must know what a limp biscuit is.
 
heh
 
And hi @JSB!
 
2:16 PM
@KitFox I didn't know what a limp biscuit was. Now I do, and wish I still didn't.
 
Hi rai and welcome. Please do note how the name of this site is Stack Overflow and not Gangsta Rap. Thank you. — ЯegDwight Sep 6 at 10:09
 
circle jerk: the guy who can’t navigate a roundabout to save his butt
 
Now guess what his answer was...
srry abt d bad typing .. thanks Mysticial!!! — rai 3 hours ago
 
¡¡¡
 
It took him three months, too.
 
2:17 PM
Sweet.
I'm off to find coffee before teh mtg. bbl
 
@KitFox no, i really don't (unless they're different names for the same thing)
 
@JSBձոգչ OK never mind then.
 
@RegDwighт His original answer was so awful I can't believe anyone bothered to try to fix it up.
You people are masochists.
> Apple Res talk; Term used to describe a person with a percentage amount of indian lood that claims to be indian only/especially when its beneficial... Yep, she's an apple alright; red on the outside, white on the inside.
sigh why no formatting in blockquotes
 
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Q: How to pronounce <a href='...?

DerfderHow do you pronounce "a href"? E.g. if you want to say this in a videotutorial tutorial: <a href="http://stackoverflow.com">link</a> I didn't found that in dictionaries and people try to avoid to say and pronounce that in videotutorials so looking forward for your answers.

With answers such as...
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A: How to pronounce <a href='...?

Charles-Edouard CosteI guess it's a bit like: "hey hache ref" :p

Because, as everyone knows, the letter A is called "hey".
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This is exactly how it goes.
 
2:34 PM
@RegDwighт Die Zauberflöte
 
@Cerberus heheh. to be fair the iphone was much better than almost every phone on the market at the time, at least in terms of basic PDA functionality and the ability to browse the web.
 
@RegDwighт Hey is just to get its attention. It's the first letter of the alphabet, so it needs a special prompt.
 
@Robusto Don't worry about it.
 
And now someone has actually upvoted that answer.
What the actual fuck.
 
I'm definitely curious, though. Is bey an archaic form of bei in German?
 
2:36 PM
Yes.
 
Interesting.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Possibly...but I remember thinking, when my friend had bought the first Iphone, "hey, my phone can do that too".
@Robusto Y and i were often used interchangeably in pre- and early-modern times.
In all languages.
 
@Cerberus was your old phone touch-screen?
 
Yes.
The Iphone may have been smoother and faster.
 
well, the iphone wasn't perfect. but it was a pretty nice phone. It's still a nice phone. Apple deserves their success with that product. What they don't deserve is monopoly on similar products or rounded rectangles.
 
2:39 PM
And I had to install lots of programs to make the phone usable.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I suppose.
 
@Cerberus Even ones that don't use the Roman alphabet?
 
@Cerberus I like the iphone, per se. What I don't like is how Apple wants to control my whole life if I've so much as heard of an iphone.
 
@Robusto Well, is <void> interchangeable with <void>?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 News flash: Everyone in the mobile market wants to control your whole life.
@Cerberus You misspelled voyd.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And that started with the first Iphone: I already sensed that something was amiss then.
The queues of hired actors in Poland.
The hysteria.
 
2:42 PM
@Robusto Well, yes, and no. For example, with a Google phone I can install an OS that doesn't send data to Google. And Google won't try to convince people that that makes me a criminal.
 
The fact that they boasted features in such a way as to obscure what was really new about their phone.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Point taken. But you have to be willing to root your phone. And then you're off the upgrade track, etc.
 
@Cerberus heheh. When the first iphone came about the only problems it had were the fact that it was so dependant on iTunes and the fact that you couldn't install software on it. Otherwise it was no different from any phone on the market.
 
@Robusto Haha, yes.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And no multi-tasking. My phone had that, of course.
 
@Robusto Yes. but at least I have the freedom to separate from the herd. Actually you don't need to root your phone to install CyanogenMod. Well, not the nexus phones, anyway. You just unlock the bootloader.
@Cerberus what does "multitasking" mean on a phone, anyway?
 
2:44 PM
And no keyboard, which I think was really bad in those days.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But when you get past the manufacturers, the carriers are the real villains.
 
@Robusto Rooting doesn't take you off the upgrade track at all.
You still get updates.
Oh, that wasn't what you meant.
 
@Cerberus It just makes it harder to do. And carriers "customize" Android to make that process more difficult.
 
@Robusto You should always buy an unlocked phone.
 
@Robusto Well... the carriers... yeah. But the iPhone per se doesn't make that worse. Apple has negotiated various deals with carriers, some of them are probably harmful to consumers.
 
2:46 PM
And rooting does not make updating any harder at all: I still get updates automatically.
 
It's a hassle on this side of the pond.
 
@Cerberus I think it depends on the phone and the root method.
 
The carrier problem does not exist here btw.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Nexus.
Stock.
No, I feel really free with my Nexus.
 
Yes, I know what you have.
But most android users don't have a nexus. inexplicably.
 
Well, you were talking Nexus, weren't you?
 
2:47 PM
No I was talking "android"
Rob doesn't have a nexus
But yes: the most freedom comes with Nexus.
I almost want to buy a Nexus One just to have a complete set.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It means playing music/radio in the background, navigating in the background (by audio), copy-pasting stuff from your browser, quickly switching between programs...
 
That was a good phone.
 
I don't even remember.
Running all sorts of other applications in the background to enhance the phone.
 
@Cerberus Well, the iphone could play music in the background. It didn't have copy/paste. But it also didn't have many apps so there probably wasn't much call for "multitasking"
 
Haha.
There you go.
Did it have navigation à la modern Tomtom?
Mine did.
My brother had installed Tomtom on it in 2007, which worked perfectly.
Fast and reliable.
Even though the phone itself was not always that.
 
2:51 PM
well, remember: it has a general purpose OS. It had OS-level multi-tasking. So common background tasks were already possible.
 
Then why boast multi-tasking all of a sudden?
 
Haha, Kris cribbed my Etymonline link to English in a comment for use as an answer. Odd duck.
 
Odd.
 
The vegetables are number eight on the MC already. Just why am I not surprised.
 
@Cerberus because people don't understand what it means. Or because it means different things to different people, and they added a feature that can be given that label. Or because they got criticism for not having that feature so they made a minor change to make it appear as if they did.
 
2:55 PM
Armen also blew his cover rather hilariously.
 
@RegDwighт Someone ask a meat question. Quick!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Exactly.
Ergo, Apple sucks.
 
"A friend said, [quote]. My main point was,.."
 
@Cerberus heh what?
 
Dixi.
 
2:57 PM
BTW it seems that the second generation iphone added turn-by-turn navigation.
Whether there was a tom-tom app by then, I don't know.
 
@Cerberus You are a crab Apple.
@Cerberus Dixie? You're a southerner?
 

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