English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

KitFox

2:00 PM

@MattЭллен Thinking he has a station.

;-)

Matt Эллен

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Is that page supposed to automatically validate the RE?

RegDwighт

Yes?

It does for me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it doesn't seem to do anything for me

Robusto

My sentence has been commuted.

tchrist

2:09 PM

@RegDwighт Muy cool.

RegDwighт

A bit boring cuz ain't no golf. Past challenges included golf.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Ah, it only works if you put a / at the start and end of the RE, and only in Chrome. At least, on my machine.

JSBձոգչ

@Reg did you get my earlier query about Valentina Gagarina? does she at least have a ru.wikipedia page?

RegDwighт

I didn't get any such query.

JSBձոգչ

well, ok. i'm looking for information about Valentina Gagarina (Yuri's wife)

english-language pages have nothing

not even basic biographic info

RegDwighт

2:11 PM

Russian page won't load because effing Google effing doesn't use proper links anymore.

Instead, redirects that sometimes freeze forever.

JSBձոգչ

effing Google

RegDwighт

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&ur‌l=http%3A%2F%2Fru.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25D0%2593%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B3%25D0%25B0‌%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0%2C_%25D0%2592%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BB%25D0%2‌5B5%25D0%25BD%25D1%2582%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0_%25D0%2598%25D0%25B2%25D0%2‌5B0%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0&ei=8D7HUPGbJ6TE4gSywoFg&usg‌=AFQjCNE1O_beJptkTNt5zzwJUuvqO2x9LA&sig2=9OuTlD_V2oqxp7cURBfHEg

What kind of URL is that?

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 input your regex between slashes: /[ABCDEFG]/

JSBձոգչ

loads for me

Matt Эллен

oh, you already figured it out

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:12 PM

@MattЭллен Does it work for you in FF?

Matt Эллен

yeah

JSBձոգչ

Гагарина, Валентина Ивановна

Валенти́на Ива́новна Гага́рина (в девичестве Горячева) (род. 15 декабря 1935) — вдова первого космонавта Юрия Гагарина. Кавалер ордена Ленина. Биография Валентина Ивановна Гагарина родилась 15 декабря 1935 года. Окончила Оренбургское медицинское училище. Работала в лаборатории Медицинского управления Центра управления полётами. В настоящее время находится на пенсии, проработав всю жизнь медсестрой и лаборантом-биохимиком. Живёт в Звёздном городке в Щёлковском районе Московской области. В 1981 году Валентина Ивановна написала первую книгу в память о Гагарине — «108 минут и вся жизнь...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ah, okay... I needed to delete the trailing whitespace

Cuz I pressed <Enter> a few times to try to make it run

KitFox

Oh, she's lovely.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Someone should give them an RE to clean up their RE's

RegDwighт

2:14 PM

JSBձոգչ

thanks @RegDwighт. that one page run through Google translate has more info than the entirety of the english-speaking web

@KitFox she is a cutie, isn't she?

KitFox

Well, Yuri's pretty attractive too.

JSBձոգչ

yesterday, by JSBձոգչ

KitFox

Aww.

JSBձոգչ

she's a character in my story about Yuri Gagarin

actually, she's the main character, since Yuri is only in the very first part of the story

KitFox

2:16 PM

Oh, you're writing a story about him? Is there lots of hot sex in it?

JSBձոգչ

ha ha no.

i could add some, though.

maybe i'll write a special erotica edition just for Kit

KitFox

wonders what Russian erotica might be like

JSBձոգչ

shudders in fear

KitFox

giggles

I don't know if I can wait 1 hour and 43 minutes for lunch.

Matt Эллен

You must! it's your duty!

Sit at your desk and day dream about lunch until the time comes.

KitFox

2:18 PM

And how can I possibly have three different sprocs for six different tables and they all do the same thing?

Matt Эллен

redundancy?

KitFox

I guess I am that much against dynamic SQL.

JSBձոգչ

what is this nonsense?

RegDwighт

@KitFox Gagarin waited five minutes longer than that. In space.

Matt Эллен

@JSBձոգչ that's all she wrote

RegDwighт

2:20 PM

@JSBձոգչ which part of English grammar you no understand?

tchrist

Why is there no Fmin9?

Matt Эллен

because only Australians use that chord

tchrist

Because we write that as an inversion of something else?

JSBձոգչ

@RegDwighт i have doubt of site english language and usage. why is not to be work?

Matt Эллен

that would be funny, because then my answer would almost make sense

KitFox

2:21 PM

@RegDwighт Yeah. He's pretty fucking awesome.

RegDwighт

What is Fmin9 anyway? With a Gb on top?

tchrist

I guess you don’t know whether it is build with minor thirds or major thirds for the next two pieces, but if you use minor thirds, you get a G♭ . Perhaps that is forbidden with an F root.

jinx

Matt Эллен

@tchrist because they're only matching 6th and 7th chords

tchrist

@MattЭллен That would be it.

RegDwighт

Google Image result for "Skryabin coke"

Matt Эллен

2:24 PM

well, something white is trying to go up his nose

KitFox

zto nelovkoe polozhenie?

tchrist

They make you use Javascript crippled regexes. That is so effing asinine!

Cerberus

Por que no Scryabin?

RegDwighт

Eto. Not zto.

З ≠ Э. Contrary to popular belief.

Cerberus

I thought Э was mainly used in borrowed words?

KitFox

2:25 PM

Oh. Well, I'm just learning.

RegDwighт

No, that's Ф.

KitFox

Did I transcribe the rest OK?

Cerberus

What is estafette in Russian?

RegDwighт

@KitFox yeah.

@Cerberus Эстафета. Also, gen-ref.

Cerberus

Ah, see?

There's your Э.

RegDwighт

2:26 PM

What "Ah, see?" How is that an "Ah, see?"

That is one frigging word.

Cerberus

A foreign word.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus aside from eto, Э is mostly used in French borrowings

and other foreign words

Cerberus

@RegDwighт I just made up a random word, and it had Э.

RegDwighт

You said it was used mainly in foreign words. So far we have one foreign, and one not-foreign.

That is not mainly.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ That's what I was told, yes.

Matt Эллен

2:27 PM

like Эллен

JSBձոգչ

@RegDwighт obviously we just need more woords

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Yes! You're foreign.

@RegDwighт What other inherited Russian words have Э?

RegDwighт

@JSBձոգչ I'll just cheat and spell in Ukrainian. Then it will be a Е.

Matt Эллен

lol

thanks

Cerberus

I think Elisabeth just has an E?

It's not very Russian anyway.

JSBձոգչ

2:29 PM

that's Yelizaveta, not Elizabeth

Cerberus

I know.

I spelled it the English way.

So an E in Russian.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus define "inherited". By your logic, the letter A in English is mainly used in foreign words.

JSBձոգչ

@RegDwighт let's use "Words of Slavic provenance" as our definition of "inherited"

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Can you name two other inherited Russian words? This is a linguistic term, I didn't make it up. It probably means inherited from Proto-Indo-European, never borrowed.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus that's putting the bar pretty high. i'd settle for "composed of roots which are present in Proto-Slavic"

Cerberus

2:31 PM

It is usually used with a frame of reference, as in "an inherited Germanic word", or "an inherited Proto-Indo-European word".

RegDwighт

@Cerberus эх.

Эва.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ Yes, perhaps that frame is more often used.

@RegDwighт Okay, those sound pretty inherited.

RegDwighт

Эй.

Cerberus

So you really think this "rule of thumb" that we learned is no use?

KitFox

How is the Э sound different from E?

tchrist

2:32 PM

Down to three failing cases. What am I not thinking of?

RegDwighт

Этакий.

tchrist

Cdom6: WRONG (did match, but should not have)
Ddom6: WRONG (did match, but should not have)
Fø6: WRONG (did match, but should not have)

Cerberus

@KitFox Э has no palatalisation.

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox well, the letters face different directions.

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ I see.

JSBձոգչ

2:33 PM

also, like @Cerb said, no palatalization and the vowel is slightly more centralized

Cerberus

So you would transcribe Эlisabeth as E-, Elisabeth as Ye-.

Yeah, the vowel is probably slightly different too, but that is more difficult to hear for us Westerners.

RegDwighт

Бэ, вэ, гэ, дэ, etc.

I can stop any time.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Okay, you win.

That's why I asked.

RegDwighт

9:1, no less.

It's not fair anyway. The letter has existed but for two hundred years.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus i find the difference in quality to be very salient, but that's because it's pretty close to the difference between /ɛ/ and /e/ in English

Cerberus

2:35 PM

@RegDwighт Hmm really? Why was it introduced?

RegDwighт

I don't know everything.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ But...does /e/ ever occur without /i/ in English?

@RegDwighт That's not the way you usually present yourself...

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus no

Cerberus

Then...

And does /ɛi/ ever occur in English?

RegDwighт

It used to be a Є. Which still exists in Ukrainian.

JSBձոգչ

2:37 PM

@Cerberus no... probably not

tchrist

Well, must commute. I wonder why those are forbidden.

Cerberus

Then is this really a meaningful contrast in English?

RegDwighт

Russian had like 70 letters. Down to 33 now. Still not anywhere near 26.

tchrist

(?x: ^
    (?! [CF] ♭
      | [EB] ♯
     )
    [ABCDEFG]
    [♭♯] ?
    (?: maj | M | min | m | aug | \+ | dim | ° | dom | ø) ?
    [67] ?
    $
)

Cerberus

This is the reason I can never remember what /e/ must sound like.

KitFox

2:38 PM

Is /e/ short e?

I don't know!

I can't find my IPA.

@RegDwighт Oh they optimize for dumb engines.

KitFox

Oh. Here it is.

Cerberus

2:39 PM

To me, only the contrast /ɛ/ v. /ei/ makes sense.

tchrist

That is not what I meant.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus there is certainly a contrast, though the contrast is reinforced by diphthongization of /e/ into [ei]

KitFox

I have /e/ but no /ɛ/.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ Uhh...so that is not a contrast between e and ɛ.

The two can never be compared in English, can they?

tchrist

Ok, so the 6th can only go with maj/min.

JSBձոգչ

2:40 PM

@KitFox /e/ is "long a", the sound is weigh and say

tchrist

Although there's looks like it will match some wrong things, too.

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox /ɛ/ is "short e", the sound in "get" and "bet"

tchrist

And nobody does double flats or sharps.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ I find this slightly misleading, no offence. This makes people think weigh is /we/.

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Ah, OK. Let me think about that.

OK. I get that.

JSBձոգչ

2:41 PM

@Cerberus right. it's actually [weɪ]

Cerberus

But the fact is that knowing how /weɪ/ sounds still doesn't make it easy to realise what /e/ sounds like separately.

tchrist

@RegDwighт So you cannot have a D♭ major chord, eh? Pretty sure that is wrong.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ Right, I forgot.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist how could you not have D♭ major?

RegDwighт

@tchrist I'm just saying it's from Reddit and passes all test cases. Doesn't mean it's not crap.

Cerberus

2:43 PM

Oh dear, the palaeographical hour has struck.

Later!

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Look at the regex.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't know why they exclude C♭ major too. It's perfectly valid.

@tchrist yeah. I'm agreeing with you.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus i suppose that's true for the average non-linguist. but personally i find it simple to disaggregate the diphthong and pick out the qualities of the pure vowels

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 k

RegDwighт

Actually according to Wiki, the Russian alphabet even used to have two letters that were never used in a single word.

Cerberus

2:44 PM

@JSBձոգչ I don't know, I don't find it easy at all in this case. I don't seem to be able to pronounce /e/ separately.

KitFox

I love Russians so much. I just want to hug them and squeeze them.

RegDwighт

They also had no sound associated with them.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Future-proofing?

JSBձոգչ

@RegDwighт link?

RegDwighт

Русский алфавит

Ру́сский алфави́т (ру́сская а́збука) — алфавит русского языка, в нынешнем виде с 33 буквами существующий фактически с 1918 года (официально лишь с 1942 года: ранее считалось, что в русском алфавите 32 буквы, поскольку Е и Ё рассматривались как варианты одной и той же буквы). {| style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 140%; text-align: center" |- |width="10%"| Аа |width="10%"| Бб |width="10%"| Вв |width="10%"| Гг |width="10%"| Дд |width="10%"| Ее |width="10%"| Ёё |width="10%"| Жж |width="10%"| Зз |width="10%"| Ии |- | Йй | Кк | Лл | Мм | Нн | Оо | Пп | Рр | Сс | Тт |- | Уу | Фф | Хх |...

> Иногда в азбуку включались также большой юс (Ѫ) и так называемый «ик» (в виде нынешней буквы «у»), хотя они звукового значения не имели и ни в одном слове не употреблялись.

KitFox

2:45 PM

It's going to take me forever to try to transcribe that.

JSBձոգչ

man, google makes a hash of that page

RegDwighт

Not that it isn't hash to begin with.

KitFox

inogda v azduku...I think I should practice reading Cyrillic on something easier.

RegDwighт

Azbuku.

From Az, "A", and Buki, "B".

Kind of like "alphabet".

JSBձոգչ

> [T]he following set of letters: A, B, C, D, E, F (spelling excellent option Yea, sometimes considered a separate letter of the alphabet and put in on place of the current E, that is, after Ѣ ), F, S, H, I (spelling excellent option for audio Q [j], which is not considered a separate letter), I, K, L, M, N, O (in two orthographically differing Inscription: "narrow" and "broad"), P, R, S, T, (in two orthographically differing Inscription: )

it has replaced cyrillic letters with latin ones

making the whole thing completely incomprehensible

RegDwighт

2:48 PM

That's what the Russians have been trying to do for millenia!

And Google achieves it in a whim!

KitFox

@RegDwighт Oh damn. I confused в and д.

And now the other one that looks like B.

RegDwighт

No, you confused б and д.

KitFox

Jinx.

RegDwighт

Does this chat do proper cursive? б в д

Nope, it does not.

Furshame.

KitFox

WordPress does.

tchrist

2:50 PM

Site is back.

RegDwighт

I am sorry for that.

Wasn't me.

JSBձոգչ

> Кси (Ѯ) — отменено Петром I (заменено сочетанием КС), позже восстановлено, окончательно отменено в 1735 году. В гражданском шрифте выглядело как ижица с хвостом.

> Пси (Ѱ) — отменено Петром I (заменено сочетанием ПС), не восстанавливалось.

these strike me as unfortunate

they would have been nice letters to have

good for russian scrabble

RegDwighт

First result for "алфавит кока кола".

KitFox

alphabet!

OK, maybe someday I can figure out Cyrillic after all.

RegDwighт

Whoever did the font job should be shot dead on the spot.

Not to mention the wrong case, of course. But that is ubiquitous.

When you drink coke, even in English, it's in the accusative. Not even in Soviet Russia does coke drink you.

JSBձոգչ

2:54 PM

i assuma that koka-kola is feminine

RegDwighт

Yeah.

JSBձոգչ

@RegDwighт which is hilarious because interpreted literally, you are using the vy-form with the cola, and commanding it to drink

RegDwighт

Yeah, all is missing is a comma.

Hence my remark about coke drinking you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So I'm testing email. That is, the emails that are sent out by our automated system. There are 62 different emails. Which means I have 5000 test cases of email clients, mobile email clients, webmail clients * browsers, and webmail clients * mobile browsers. sigh

RegDwighт

Anyway, you drink Coca Colu, you ask for a glass of Coca Coly, and you have your burger with Coca Coloy or Coca Coloyu.

KitFox

2:56 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Let's have a beer after work.

JSBձոգչ

@RegDwighт not koku-kolu?

RegDwighт

And if there's something in your Coca Cola, it's in your Coca Cole.

Matt Эллен

Cocaine colon?

JSBձոգչ

i guess not. that would be weird.

RegDwighт

@JSBձոգչ it's one unit.

JSBձոգչ

2:57 PM

coca-cola basically never occurs in spoken romanian. the simple cola does, but it's undeclinable.

RegDwighт

Russian has that with many borrowed nouns, like coffee, metro, paletot...

JSBձոգչ

romanian usually finds some excuse to decline things, but this word seems to resist it

RegDwighт

Well, that's Coca Cola Company 1, languages of the world OVER 9000 minus one.

Matt Эллен

it's a corporate conspiracy. You may never decline Coke. You must always drink it

JSBձոգչ

dexonline.ro/definitie/cola/387361

KitFox

3:00 PM

Only one more hour to go.

JSBձոգչ

dex says that the plural is cole, but i have never ever heard anyone say that

dex says a lot of things that no one ever actually says

Matt Эллен

curse that dex

JSBձոգչ

it's sort of prescriptivist

RegDwighт

@JSBձոգչ that page beautifully demonstrates the peculiarity of Romanian: every single word on itself is perfectly understandable, but the whole thing makes no sense whatsoever.

We should give it to @tchrist.

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ There are prescriptivists under our beds. We must root them out.

RegDwighт

3:23 PM

New York Times: A Hunger for Tales of Life in the American Cul-de-Sac

Excellent article. Stupid title that tells you nothing about the subject matter.

Saebekassebil

@tchrist: Can I ask another parsing question here, or should I post a separate question for it?

tchrist

@Saebekassebil You can ask, but I am five seconds away from being gone.

KitFox

@RegDwighт Yeah, seriously. Who has teenage babysitters?

RegDwighт

Do read on.

Saebekassebil

The sentence: "That's the funnest [sic] thing we've done all weekend". I give it the following parse: minus.com/lGCmkEjky4y5y

RegDwighт

3:26 PM

You of all people will find interesting nuggets in there.

KitFox

raises eyebrow

Saebekassebil

The two sentences, what are they "called"/classified as seperately. Is the last thing a "relative clause"?

@tchrist above.

tchrist

An S is a sentence: that is, a full independent clause.

Saebekassebil

I saw the notation SBAR

But I was simplifying it a bit, maybe too much here?

tchrist

The sentence has an elided relative pronoun that in it, which functions as the direct object of its clause. This is normal.

You don’t have to sic funnest. The JJ POS tag clearly marks it as an adjective in the superlative degree.

Saebekassebil

3:30 PM

I though it was a subordinating conjunction, explicit that

KitFox

> “as a result of emancipation.”

rofl.

Matt Эллен

> ordinary Americans eat and pay mortgages

Saebekassebil

right.

tchrist

I think of it as a relative pronoun there.

Matt Эллен

are mortgages nutritious?

KitFox

3:31 PM

Interesting.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> He devotes many pages to privacy, a word that does not exist in the Russian language

KitFox

I couldn't drink with Russians even when I was a drunk.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Really? The word doesn't exist? I call bullshit

RegDwighт

It should be noted that it doesn't really exist in German, either.

Saebekassebil

And so the relative pronoun, introduces a new subordinate clause?

RegDwighт

3:32 PM

You have the clumsy Privatsphäre, but that's as good as it gets.

tchrist

I have to go. Ask the experts here.

Saebekassebil

tchrist: Right, thanks!

RegDwighт

And Germans do care about privacy a lot.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 neither does serendipity. Or bullshit, for that matter.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Well, even if there is no literal, one-word translation that encompasses all the same ideas at the same time, that still proves nothing. Many languages don't have a word for "yes". So fucking what?

RegDwighт

So fucking it becomes painfully hard to even explain the concept, let alone get past that point and spend an evening actually discussing it.

Saebekassebil

3:35 PM

Can I ask you guys what "ccomp" means in the above dependency parse?

RegDwighт

I dare you to discuss privacy, just for an hour, in English, without using the word "privacy".

KitFox

@Saebekassebil Sorry, I don't know.

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox er, we have a teenage babysitter. why is this so odd?

Saebekassebil

@KitFox Alright, how about the relationship between the two sentences? I'm at a loss about what the "(that) we've done all weekend" sentence is called. Is it a "subordinate clause"?

RegDwighт

In Germany, what all those people do, on TV and IRL alike, what they do is discuss Datenschutz.

JSBձոգչ

3:38 PM

> An average Russian mother would no sooner entrust her children’s upbringing to a local teenager than to a pack of wild dogs.

ha ha ha ha ha

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт There are lots of things that people talk about without having a single label to encompass all the meanings in question. Just because there isn't a good translation for "Privacy" doesn't mean the Russians don't have the concept and can't talk about it. Vocabulary doesn't control thought.

RegDwighт

It's true. I remember local Russian teenagers. They were the worst.

KitFox

@Saebekassebil I don't know that either.

Saebekassebil

@KitFox Well never mind, but thanks for trying.

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 you are shifting the focus to some generic Tapir-Whorf stuff. That has been discussed to death here. I am not a proponent of that theory and never was. All I asked for was that you spend an hour discussing privacy without using the word, kind of like playing Taboo. It took you exactly two sentences to mention that word.

And that's just casual discussion, mind you. I dare you to think of the actual laws that you then have to pass.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:42 PM

@RegDwighт I wasn't trying. And anyway that's an unfair challenge. It's not like my language has coined a bunch of synonyms or near-synonyms for "privacy" that we use in its absence.

Saebekassebil

@KitFox Oh, a quick Google search answered my question, sorry for troubling you. It's a "clausal complement"

RegDwighт

The Americans, for three hundred years, have been unable to define "militia", a word that actually does exist.

JSBձոգչ

his description of russia reminds me a lot of romania, actually. reminds me of what i liked about romania.

KitFox

@Saebekassebil Oh, great! I'm glad you found it.

@JSBձոգչ It reminds me of what I like about people.

Hey, so, Americans don't lie, huh? How did we get that reputation?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Nah, they've defined it, they just haven't all defined it the same way. That's not the same thing.

JSBձոգչ

3:43 PM

BTW, did i mention that my sister-in-law is getting engaged? we're going to romania for the wedding in 2014.

Mahnax

@JSBձոգչ That's awesome!

KitFox

"Not liars" and "humorous" are two American stereotypes I'd never heard of before this chat room.

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 now throw in a bottle of vodka per person per evening and guess how much it helps.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> Yet you speak the truth, that is plain: the Men of the Mark do not lie, and therefore they are not easily deceived.

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Yay! Are you taking your children with you?

JSBձոգչ

3:44 PM

@KitFox yep, we're all going. it'll be the first time in ~5 yrs that we've been back

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт Vodka helps everything. It means people don't get so upset about mushy definitions

KitFox

Let's drink some vodka!

RegDwighт

I don't understand. Some? Don't you have a word for "all" in your language?

JSBձոգչ

Let's drink all vodka sounds like pineapple english

KitFox

Let's drink the vodka!

RegDwighт

3:47 PM

@JSBձոգչ and yet, it sounds like the first sentence in this room to make sense.

JSBձոգչ

in russian, of course, you just say Vodka! the rest of the words are inferred from context.

KitFox

And eat all doughnuts!

RegDwighт

@JSBձոգչ In Russian, you don't say. You drink. Noob.

KitFox

Oh, that's what's difficult about learning Russian. I'm not drunk.

RegDwighт

"You have to be this drunk to ignore this sign."

JSBձոգչ

3:48 PM

my russian teacher taught us that it's much easier to speak russian when drunk

that's why she invited us over to her house for parties and gave us homemade vodka

RegDwighт

Jan 28 '11 at 15:28, by RegDwight

@kiamlaluno: Ever tried Russian? Everything is a schwa, except when it ain't.

No idea who slapped that "except" bit onto the end, but let me assure you it's a lie.

Robusto

3:59 PM

Speaking of that article, @Reg, I do notice that the Russians here have a different idea of what constitutes personal space than do Americans. Even when they have colds.

RegDwighт

КЭД.

KitFox

QED!

Ish.

Which means "time for pulled pork."

JSBձոգչ

mmmm pulled pork

so that's why you were so keen on lunch

Robusto

You pull your pork during lunch?

RegDwighт

Now that's what I call a recording studio.

JSBձոգչ

4:13 PM

ye gods

how much does that cost per hour to use? OVER 9000 mega-dollars?

RegDwighт

I dunno. I suppose you could ask The Chemical Brothers. I also suppose they won't tell.

Much less Hans Zimmer, who's the landlord.

stuckincustoms.com/2011/02/22/hans-zimmer-in-his-studio

KitFox

4:43 PM

That sounds like fun.

RegDwighт

Being a studio, it has to sound like something.

And I just misspelled "studio" as "stupid".

My work here is done.

KitFox

5:09 PM

Writer's chat going on now in The Overlook. Today, we'll look at what people wrote last week and we'll do a timed exercise for anyone who is interested.

JSBձոգչ

5:20 PM

hmmmmm. lunch.

Cerberus

Lunch?

After dark?

shakes heads

Oh wait, it's always dark down here.

Alenanno

5:37 PM

Hello everyone.

tchrist

5:49 PM

Hello.

@Mods: I am having a premonition about this vehitha user.

Alenanno

What premonition? :P

tchrist

That he is destined for a vacation. He looks like a very similar user, also vacationing of late.

His postings keep getting downvoted, closed, and deleted. That will raise eyebrows. I don't have the link to the probably-the-same user, but it looked likely the other day.

KitFox

In the sense that the user has posted many closed questions. Perhaps.

In the sense that this user has significant indicators of any sort of suspension circumvention, no.

tchrist

Ed or somebody did some analysis against a currently "vacationing" user, and it was very very very similar. I think Reg was going to look into it.

Ah, ok.

KitFox

Although I'm not privy to those conversations, and there might be something I don't know.

Alenanno

5:55 PM

@KitFox Are you about to do the timed exercise?

KitFox

Yeah. I'm supposed to be doing it now.

Cerberus

Hi!

@RegDwighт Can Zucker means something more than sugar, like sweets? Sweetbreads? Candy? In Dutch, we have suikerwerk, which is ehm old-fashioned, sugar-based candy-work.

Nobody knows what it is exactly.

Matt Эллен

6:10 PM

my connection must be slowed down by the fog

Cerberus

Sorry.

It was monthly venting time down here.

Matt Эллен

ah! that explains it.

it doesn't explain drivers' propensity to over take on blind corners and nearly crash, but I'll put that down to them being stupid

Cerberus

Eek.

Did they nearly run you over?

Matt Эллен

no, thankfully, they nearly took out the cars on the otherside of the road!

cornbread ninja

ello

Matt Эллен

6:27 PM

LO

Alenanno

L

Cerberus

That is something.

KitFox

6:44 PM

Hi @cornbread.

David Wallace

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Tchrist is the co-author of a book called "The Perl Cookbook". The other author is a man I used to flat with :-) Maybe that's what Kit has.

Thank you KitFox. Much appreciated.

Hello everyone, by the way.

:7229015 You are my new hero.

Alenanno

Oh, I didn't know that. Wonderful.

KitFox

nods

I'm off to write more code.

Alenanno

bows Have a nice time doing it.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox howdy!

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