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9:00 PM
:)
 
@MattEllen Oh! Well, not on this side of the Channel!
 
But this room can get a bit hot and humid!
 
Yes it can!
 
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@MattEllen Wait till you come here. It's humid 24 7 52.
 
@JasperLoy I like it all apart from how difficult I find it to breathe in
 
9:01 PM
@JasperLoy Really? Oh, dear. How many degrees Celsius is it there in winter?
 
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@Cerberus Well, we don't call it winter though, but day temperatures almost always 32. But we're talking about humidity here.
 
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Actually, it's the humidity that makes you feel hot, not the temp. Body temp is 37.
 
Oh, that's mean! It doesn't make the pretty box for Portuguese Wikipedia!
 
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@aedia Maybe you can't type anything on the same line?
 
O guarani é uma língua indígena do sul da América do Sul, falada pelos povos da etnia guarani, estes pertencentes ao grupo maior dos tupis-guaranis. Uma variante, popularmente conhecida como língua tupi ou nheengatu, foi usada pelos colonizadores portugueses e missionários jesuítas desde o descobrimento até fins do século XVIII. Desse modo acabou influenciando fortemente o idioma falado no Brasil legando várias expressões e vocábulos ao português brasileiro, preponderantemente na toponímia (designação de lugares v.g. Paraná, Ivaí, Paraguai, Piraí, Guamirim, etc). A língua viva A varia...
@JasperLoy score 1 for you!
 
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9:08 PM
You guys are still talking about pineapples from before I took my shower till now.
 
we like our conversations fruity
 
The Google Translate version of the Ananas article is great. It's like, "the word pineapple is used to mean the crappy fruit; on the other hand, pineapple is used to indicate the awesome fruit." Abacaxi is the latter (I discovered after much mousing over and comparing)...
 
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The only fruit I eat is the banana. They are always sweet.
 
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Apples, pears and oranges can be sour, but not bananas.
 
@aedia lol
 
9:10 PM
@JasperLoy I totally swore you could have the lil reply arrow on there but I must be mixing it up with pictures.
 
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@aedia Maybe there's a diff between clicking reply and typing?
 
@MattEllen And that was just an example of that use of "like" where it's not quiet quotative, but close. If only I could remember what it was called, I would look it up. Arrgh. I'm getting as bad as @Cerberus.
@JasperLoy Oh. Right. Probably.
 
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Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
 
@aedia simile?
?
 
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@aedia I'm always right. Well, most of the time.
 
9:13 PM
My brain hurts:
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Q: Does "'tis" means "this is" or "it is"?

ThursaganI have found much trouble identifying the old word 'tis. Does it mean "this is" or "it is?" I have done some research and found that the dictionaries conflict. One said 'tis :An old English word used in the place of this is ; a contraction of this is. I showed this to my brother and he showed...

 
Hmm, well, I guess, but it's more a spoken phenomenon. Maybe it is "quotative like," when speakers insert "like" to say what someone said. runs off to see if quotative like can include paraphrase
 
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@simchona I just realised that Thursagan not = Thursagen. Oh man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@Jasper That's just what they WANT us to think
 
Right you pineapples, I am off to bed.
 
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@simchona I think Thursagan is an account of the same person, but he won't use it to upvote himself anymore.
 
Jez
9:17 PM
could be a pineapple in the UK right now
it's so hot
feels like the Caribbean
 
@Jasper Did he upvote himself before?
 
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@Jez Maybe seeing red all the time makes you hotter?
 
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@simchona Wasn't that supposedly why Thursagen got suspended?
 
@Jasper I'm not sure. I wasn't privy to the reasons
 
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@simchona Reason given was 'voting irregularities'.
 
9:19 PM
@Jasper Hmmmmm... Maybe, then. But the new dummy account is new. Who's to say he won't do it again?
 
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@simchona Because once bitten twice shy?
 
@MattEllen G'night MattE!
 
@Jasper That assumes learning
 
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@MattEllen guten nacht. buona sera.
 
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@aedia That doesn't sound right in real life!
 
9:22 PM
@aedia As bad as who? What?
@simchona Wow. 32 is hot.
 
32 is hot?
 
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@simchona He clicked wrongly again!
 
@simchona Isn't it?
 
I don't do Celsius...
 
Ah.
It should be about 90 F.
 
9:24 PM
Ohhh. With or without humidity?
 
@Cerberus Bad doggies! Um. I mean... I think I am getting as forgetful as you.
 
@aedia I know. I was just pretending.
@simchona Jasper said it was 32 even in winter, when it is probably not humid.
 
@JasperLoy What real life?
 
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@Cerberus She didn't understand because you clicked on the wrong message!
 
@Cerberus mock scowls
 
9:26 PM
@JasperLoy Oh! My bad.
 
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@aedia You would not say goodnight Matt E to Matt in real life. You would say Matt without the E.
 
@all. Just a thought: Are there nice exhibitions where you guys live?
 
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@AlainPannetier What kind?
 
Yeah there are always exhibitions...
 
@JasperLoy But (disregarding how I clicked the lil arrow and thus made it say his name twice) the E makes it a diminutive as well as distinguishing him from any other Matts. And I know a lot of them.
 
9:28 PM
Like interesting (art, archeology, science, creepy crawlies etc)
 
We don't get too many. Too expensive to ship over.
 
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@aedia I see. But even if I knew lots of Matts in real life, I wouldn't say that to him in real life. But that's just me!
 
@AlainPannetier I went to some of the museums in DC just last weekend! There are always nice things. I should go more often.
 
@simchona you're more into trade shows i guess?
 
@Alain It's not what I'm into; it's what they can afford to bring. In that sense, we don't get much.
Kind of thousands of miles away from other land masses
 
9:31 PM
@AlainPannetier Why do you ask? I haven't checked, but I'm sure there is plenty to see here.
 
@JasperLoy Some people with common names like Nick or Matt we call even just by their last names (to the point where it surprises or confuses me to hear them called by first name alone).
 
@simchona Wait, you're not in America?
 
@Cerb I am.
 
He'll figure it out in a second.
 
DC usually has nice ones (Smithsonian, National gallery of Art...)
 
9:32 PM
But there is plenty of art there, I should think? Why not?
 
@aedia I assume you got it?
 
I cheated. I think you mentioned it before.
I guess remembering isn't exactly cheating.
 
It is!
 
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@Cerberus Are there many pineapples there, the fruit I mean?
 
@Jasper Did you misclick?
 
9:34 PM
@Cerberus because I'm watching a program about an exhibition in London about maps and I feel like browsing the Internet for more.
 
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@simchona Yes!
 
@JasperLoy Where? They don't grow here, I presume.
 
@Jasper Yes, there are lots of pineapple fields here. This is not, however, to say that we are entirely rural. We're really not.
 
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@Cerberus I misclicked like you!
 
@AlainPannetier Old maps?
@JasperLoy It is contagious.
 
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9:38 PM
@Cerberus In this case it happened because while I was trying to click, more messages got posted and the posts moved upwards you see!
 
Beaucoup d'ananas
 
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Do you guys like durian?
 
Yes that was nearly one year ago.
I recorded all the documentaries and they are broadcasting them again on BBC-HD tonight. Gorgeous!
http://www.bl.uk/magnificentmaps/
 
@Jasper My roommate does. She's from Malaysia.
 
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The durian () is the fruit of several tree species belonging to the genus Durio and the Malvaceae family (although some taxonomists place Durio in a distinct family, Durionaceae). Widely known and revered in southeast Asia as the "king of fruits", the durian is distinctive for its large size, unique odour, and formidable thorn-covered husk. The fruit can grow as large as long and in diameter, and it typically weighs one to three kilograms (2 to 7 lb). Its shape ranges from oblong to round, the colour of its husk green to brown, and its flesh pale yellow to red, depending on t...
 
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9:40 PM
It seems that most non-Asians hate durians, dunno why.
 
@JasperLoy This is a food?
 
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@aedia It is a fruit as well.
 
@AlainPannetier Maps are my best friends too! (@Aed after Dishwasher)
They sell Durians not twenty meters from where I am sitting now.
Except that the shop is closed.
That's why all the Chinese shops here stink pretty bad (no offence).
I am looking through the window of the shop now, but I can't make out any durians.
 
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Agreed, they do leave a strong smell.
 
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I think the smell scares foreigners away, but they should really taste it. It's nothing but sweet.
 
9:43 PM
You actually like it?
 
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Like yes, but don't usually eat it. Always sweet just like the banana.
 
@Cerberus, I actually collect old atlases. I've got two of 1909 and one of 1913.
 
My friend has tasted one, and she is very open minded, loves gross things more than anything. But she was disgusted.
 
Plus various newer ones.
 
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@AlainPannetier Very interesting.
 
9:44 PM
@AlainPannetier Oh, cool! I have some 18th-century maps.
They can be had quite cheap on Ebay.
 
I do have 18th century books but no maps.
 
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@Cerberus Maybe because the flesh looks like poop.
 
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Yellowish baby poop.
 
@AlainPannetier I also have 17th-century books, and 16th-century etchings. Muwaha!
 
wow; that starts to be a museum.
 
9:47 PM
@JasperLoy She said it tastes like rotten meat, just like the smell.
I also have a silver Roman coin and a few Greek coins (really not that expensive off Ebay).
 
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I have no ancient items, and I have not gone to any real exhibition for the past decade!
 
@Cerberus I love maps too :) My family had a lot of these National Geographic maps all over the house when I was a kid...
 
I don't spend too much money on coins "Samlung" now . If find it hard enough to have a house large enough in the suburbs of Paris to house all these books.
What are your coins?
Empire? sesterces? staters?
 
@aedia Pretty!
 
I am envious of your collecting though @Alain and @Cerberus! I have made myself vow not to buy anything like that until I have settled on a more permanent residence to put it in. It is difficult to restrain myself.
 
9:52 PM
@aedia. You're right. I've stopped purchasing etchings as well. I'm out of walls to hang them...
 
What do you all think about the various e-readers?
 
@simchona, do you have a special one in sight. As an android/ios developer, I prefer a full fledged tablet.
 
@Alain I was looking at the Nooks (Color and BW)
 
I'd go for colour if I were you. B&W seems to be something to regret in hindsight.
 
@simchona Hmm. I have an older Kindle and I don't know much about the others. I like it well enough for novels to read once through. I like my textbooks in dead tree form still.
 
9:55 PM
@Aedia I definitely like holding a textbook. But I do buy mags and books.
 
What I don't like is all the formats the vendors lock you in.
 
I was attracted to the color because of how many magazines I read, but the battery life is less than 8 hours
 
I want to be able to move my PDFs around.
May be even dust them off at times.
 
@aedia As long as you buy very small objects, you can't go wrong...
 
@Cerberus Oh, no! Don't tempt me. You're terrible.
That's how it starts. Just one book, you say, and soon you've got whole encyclopaedias.
 
9:59 PM
Hehe...
A coin is really small.
I don't know much about coins, but I like having a Greek coin, because it is by far the oldest object in my house.
 
@aedia My Kindle is B&W, and is good enough for most books, but it would have been nice to see images from magazines in color. Brain scan images in color are so much more fun! But I can see the color images on my laptop if necessary. Kindle is free for Macbooks and PCs too, I think.
@aedia But they take up no room. :)
 
@SpareOom Can you read magazines on the Kindle itself? Or just on an external app?
 
Jez
@AlainPannetier How come you're not committed to A51 french language and usage?
 
I have a question about electronic books readers: when do you take them with you? Isn't it a burned to have to carry them around and not scratch/break/lose them?
 
@SpareOom Oh, I didn't know there was a version for desktop computers! I do have the Android app.
 
10:06 PM
I don't know what I do. They're as a pdf, but you can also get a subscription to them to read.
I have one for Macbook at least. I think I heard about desktop. You should double check me on that.
@Cerberus The carrier I have has a hook on it. Also, some people's purses are big enough to carry them.
 
@SpareOom I suppose so... but real books are so much easier to handle!
 
@Jez the previous reason is that I was committed to linguistics, history and japanese. The new reason, now that I've uncommitted all my previous commitments following the TPTB vs the rest of EL&U episode is that I don't feel I can sincerely commit any more.
 
@AlainPannetier I feel the same.
 
@Cerberus Until you want to travel and read a book on a plane.
 
@Cerberus I carry mine when I travel, to avoid carrying lots of physical books, but if I am not in the middle of a really good book I don't always take it on my daily commute.
 
10:10 PM
@SpareOom Why can't I read a real book on a plane? I do?
 
Hello! Long time no see... Did I miss much?
 
Sorry, you have a choice of what to read.
 
@aedia It'd just be another thing to worry about for me, though I suppose it's different if you're a woman and you can't put your phone/wallet in your pants/pockets anyway.
@brachomonacho Hi!
 
@Cerberus Of course I read books on planes too.
 
@SpareOom Right, you can decide at the last moment. But then you'd have had to pick a lot of books beforehand.
 
10:12 PM
@Cerberus Whoever designed women's dress pants without useful pockets should... should... have to wear them forever. Blasted things.
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@Cerberus I understand Ipod touches are small enough to fit in your pocket and also have e-reader applications, don't they?
 
@aedia Yes! Haha, an excellent punishment.
 
Possibly in linguistics, the entry ticket would be more expensive and the audience more elitist. Also possibly prudishness-driven people could not keep an eye on languages they're not familiar with and there would be less tridents in other non English forums... In the meantime wait and see...
 
@aedia Exactly what my dad would say. <3
 
@SpareOom I can read PDF and Word on my 4-y-o phone, so that isn't a problem. But you either have a small screen, or you need to carry it around.
 
10:14 PM
Or you can carry a man-purse.
 
@aedia Maybe it's a sign that sporrans should come back into fashion. Heehee
 
@AlainPannetier Tridents?
@brachomonacho Hi! Not much.
 
@Cerberus Is a backpack convenient?
 
@AlainPannetier I think Linguistics will not be viable in any case. Who would be asking the questions? SE wants many questions a day.
 
@Cerberus I usually carry a small backpack on my commute, anyway, for paperwork/notebook from w-o-r-k and umbrella and water bottle and such to survive the bus or metro. So a Kindle or laptop fits in there when I need them.
 
10:15 PM
@Cerberus Like the greek letter after Phi.
 
@SpareOom I never takes bags with me when I can avoid it, but I suppose a backpack is acceptable. But it isn't so much the bag as the fact that you have a vulnerable, expensive instrument in it.
 
@Cerberus I would ask a lot of (dummy) questions. At the moment I understand only half of what I read about linguistics.
 
@AlainPannetier Ahh those. I had forgotten all about them. And it comes after chi.
 
right.
 
@Cerberus What's the greek letter after chi?
(I only know greek letters that are used in equations).
 
10:17 PM
@AlainPannetier I don't know... even Philosophy gets too few questions.
 
Got my new name wrong then. I thought it was trendy anyway.
 
@brachomonacho Psi!
@AlainPannetier I suppose it was! I just never remember things.
 
@Cerberus Kindle: $139 Not too bad, really.
An added benefit is that you can take notes in the e-reader.
 
@SpareOom It's still not funny if you lose that at the rate I lose umbrellas.
 
@Cerberus Oh, I know that one... it's cool! (I think I had to use it once in a physics course that I failed.)
 
10:18 PM
@brachomonacho I didn't know what those were called! Tee hee.
 
I can take notes on a piece of paper folded in my pocket.
 
@Cerberus Then you need something that has a cable attached to it.
 
@brachomonacho Hmm I don't remember whether it was used in physics... probably so, since they use a great many Greek letters.
 
@SpareOom, that's a plus. I don't have a good solution for this today.
 
@SpareOom A cable? Oh, my, I hadn't even considered cables... what are those for?
 
10:20 PM
 
@Cerberus Idk. They make cables to lock down computers to desktops, I was just extrapolating.
Someone should invent their use for people who can't hold on to their belongings.
@aedia haha
 
Hehe.
Your theory has merit.
@aedia It should probably be I who was wearing the thingy, or whatever that is called.
 
@aedia Those don't work with smart children.
 
No?
 
10:23 PM
or maybe I just know a Houdini.
 
Most people don't... (I didn't know what it was called until I joined my local pipe band.)
It's funny, a lot of people I've met who don't know what they're called end up picking the term "man bag".
 
See, teh cables exists for people who can't remember what pocket they putted the wallet in.
 
I heard the term man bag on a commercial.
 
@aedia Oh, God, those...
Man bag is a well known term here.
Though they are not often spotted in the wild.
 
@Cerberus I must have safesearch on... I did not see any photos of underwear sticking out, in my search, but the two are inevitably linked, in my experience.
 
10:26 PM
They also call them "Men's European shoulder bags"
 
@aedia Yes, very much so! Pants often hang down attached to the underwear, even. I have seen it.
@SpareOom Shoulder bags?
 
@Cerberus Better than the "Men's European One-Legged Pant"
 
With a long strap, or a short one? The former would seem pretty normal...
 
(AKA a long denim skirt)
 
I just googled man bag and got that result.
 
10:27 PM
@GraceNote What the... aha!
Hehe.
 
OMG FASHIOOOOON
waves arms
 
This is what I was thinking of.
 
Those are popular?
 
Or this:
 
That (the former) kinda looks like a fanny pack.
 
10:30 PM
No, they are rather uncommon here.
 
But this is quite common:
 
That's as expensive as the Kindle, so someone is sure to know that something expensive is inside.
 
Hehe.
Yeah.
 
Ew (middle one) nobody looks good carrying those lumpy hobo bag things. Like a tote bag and a quilt snuggled together.
 
10:31 PM
If you buy a cheap one, it probably just contains regular books.
 
@aedia Yeah not my taste.
 
@Cerberus That one looks fine to me.
And the bag too.
 
@Cerberus Plain bags like this one are totes normal here for people of all kinds.
 
That might even fit a collapsable umbrella in it.
 
@Cerberus Actually, I can't remember when I've used psi in physics either... So I've probably just seen an astrophysicist writing it in an ugly quantum mechanics problem.
 
10:33 PM
 
@SpareOom Hehe. I agree.
@aedia Yeah they are common here as well.
 
@GraceNote What ... is... that?
 
@aedia lol at fanny pack... In Australia, fanny refers to the front bum.
 
@SpareOom A men's one-legged pant.
 
lol
 
10:34 PM
@brachomonacho Could be... or it could be the letter phi you saw, with stands for rotational velocity, if I remember correctly.
 
a skirt?
 
@Cerberus o.O That's the craziest man bag I've ever seen.
 
@SpareOom I'd call it that
 
@brachomonacho Front bum! That is a fun expression. We have that too in Dutch (voorbips), but I had no idea it existed in English.
@GraceNote That is... astonishing.
@brachomonacho We see them here in Amsterdam.
 
Did fanny packs used to be worn on the back fanny?
 
10:36 PM
@brachomonacho I forgot! I don't even know another name for fanny pack. We do make fun of tourists carrying them...
 
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@brachomonacho They all can be. :)
 
@GraceNote Is that some sort of FF attire?
 
@brachomonacho FF?
 
Final Fantasy
 
10:37 PM
(For the record, that particular one-legged pant used to be sold at Hot Topic)
@brachomonacho Oh, no, that's just plain old real-world fashion
 
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@brachomonacho I thought you meant funfair.
 
@SpareOom That's what I always wondered, too... Noone calls them fanny packs in Australia; they're always called bumbags.
 
@brachomonacho What the... that is no psi! Y is upsilon/ypsilon.
Those people are insane.
 
@SpareOom Hmm, I've seen them on both. I even had one when I was a kid. At least one. And then later one of those miniature backpacks. Ugh. Also a lot of neon.
 
Here, as far as I know, fanny is the back bum, and they seem to fit there better than in front, where they're in the way
@aedia They used to call them book bags, I think, but that could have been used for the kind you carry too.
 
10:40 PM
@Cerberus I see a PSI in there, specifically a capital one
 
@JasperLoy No, I'm not good at making up acronyms.
 
@GraceNote This is a psi:
Yes.
 
@Cerberus I see a capital psi too.
 
@Cerberus I learned the Greek Alphabet long before I even learned Greek Mythology
 
10:41 PM
Is it my browser then!?
 
@JasperLoy P.S.: lol at the new avatar. (That is all.)
 
(Which is why I'd call a reverse alphabetical process "Omegapsical" rather than "Zetabetical")
 
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@GraceNote I learnt the Greek alphabet last year but forgot it this year.
 
@Cerberus I think that fellow cannot type an actual Psi
So is using Y as a substitute by graphical resemblance rather than linguistic translation
 
Then he shouldn't type an Y!
 
10:42 PM
@GraceNote Wow that's the first time I've ever seen the word zetabetical.
 
@SpareOom Bookbag = backpack in my dialect; mini backpack = something else horrendous...
 
That is just bad.
 
@Cerberus Ooh, I don't deny that
 
Is it true that "psi" is derived from "Poseidon"?
 
Those actually would bother my back.
 
10:43 PM
He should just have Google the letter and copied it off Wikipedia.
 
@brachomonacho We had a short story we read in grade school about the "Zetabet", which was about people who fancied the reverse alphabet, ate Zucchinis all day, and lived in ziggurats.
 
Well, folks, I need to go for now. Bye.
 
From a literary perspective, "Zetabet" works better because of the Z matching to our last letter. But from linguistic perspective, it drove me nuts. And I was too young to even know linguistics back then, yet it drove me nuts.
 
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@GraceNote Where are the nuts? Share some with us.
 
10:45 PM
Ziggurat is an awesome word.
 
@MichaelMyers I think not, but I am not sure. There are many other letters that end in -i.
 
@brachomonacho It is, and so I endeavour to use it in a lot of my projects.
 
@SpareOom Adios!
 
@SpareOom Safe passage to the wardrobe!
 
@Cerberus But it's a tiny little trident even!
 
10:46 PM
Pi, xi, chi, phi, psi.
@MichaelMyers Ah! Haha.
 
It's your browser.
https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=2b8cae2bf5ef82f8&sc=documents&uc=1&id=2B8CAE2BF5EF82F8%21104!cid=2B8CAE2BF5EF82F8&id=2B8CAE2BF5EF82F8%21123&sc=documents
 
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And I realised that the greek way of pronouncing the greek letters is diff from the Eng way.
 
@GraceNote Ooh, what kind of project has ziggurats in it?
 
@Cerberus Aren't Xi and Chi the same or am I being really stupid right now?
 
Hmm. Wikipedia says the origin of Φ, Χ, and Ψ is disputed.
 
10:48 PM
@brachomonacho Is it? That is good/bad to hear. I don't get anything when I click your link except my own Skydrive.
 
@brachomonacho One of my game world settings includes a religious leader called the High Patriarch, whose main religious office eventually is a Ziggurat. That's the main one.
 
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@GraceNote xi=ksi
 
@Cerberus Hmm.... I'll try again..
 
@JasperLoy Could you put out the actual Greek letters?
 
@GraceNote The letter that looks like X is pronounced chi; the letter that looks like three horizontal bars is pronounced xi.
@MichaelMyers Which article? The one psi said nothing to me.
 
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10:50 PM
The Greek alphabet is a set of twenty-four letters that has been used to write the Greek language since the 8th century BC. It is still in use today. It is the first and oldest alphabet in the narrow sense that it notes each vowel and consonant with a separate symbol. The letters were also used to represent Greek numerals, beginning in the 2nd century BC. The Greek alphabet is descended from the Phoenician alphabet, and is not related to Linear B or the Cypriot syllabary, earlier writing systems for Greek. It has given rise to many other alphabets used in Europe and the Middle East...
 
@Cerberus Right.
Like Arda Xi
 
@Cerberus What Jasper Loy said.
 
Which I've been mispronouncing for a year, because I confuse the letter Xi with the letter X (in part because I confused the capital Xi having a different lower case than it does)
 
@GraceNote I assumed it was Chinese and pronounced it "She". Is that wrong?
 
Kit
@MichaelMyers Tsi, not she.
 
10:52 PM
@MichaelMyers It's based on the letter Xi. He even used the capital to combat my music note a few times.
@Kit Actually, at least the way I've known it, "She" is closer. But that really depends on what dialect and which romanization method you're going for.
(I loathe Chinese transliteration)
 
@Kit Close enough. It sounded like "she" when my teacher said it.
 
@GraceNote Xi is the squiggly one that looks vaguely like a zeta (comparing lowercase letters). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)
 
Kit
"She" would be retroflected, which "xi" is not. At least not in standard Chinese.
 
@Kit "Standard"?
 
Kit
@GraceNote Textbook, "mandarin", putonghua, usually Beijing dialect.
 
10:54 PM
You might be more right on a linguistic level, I wouldn't know. I only know what it sounds like in the way I've been taught it all my life, is that it's basically an SH sound. TS would be for summat else.
 
@Cerberus I can't find the image link for my upload... It's just got an embed thing. (Hopefully this works...)
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Kit
@GraceNote Right, you know Cantonese, don't you?
 
Bugger...
 
Tsi is different from Tzi is different from Zhi is different from Xi.
@Kit No, Mandarin. Only Mandarin and Taiwanese
 
user19161
@GraceNote For the Eng pronunciation, check OALD. For the Greek pronunciation, check the wikipedia page.
 
Kit
10:55 PM
@GraceNote Weird. Tsi and Xi are different romanizations of the same sound.
 
@brachomonacho Aww... but you see this:
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@Kit Tzi Tsi Si is different from Ji Qi Xi
 
Kit
@GraceNote That is just bizarre. I wonder what system of romanization you learned?
 
user19161
In Chinese there is Hanyupinyin and wade transliterations.
 
There are different systems of romanization, if I remembe correctly; Wade–Giles in the older one, which has Peking, I believe?
 
Kit
10:57 PM
How do you write the pinyin for thank you?
@Cerberus That's right.
 
@Kit I scrapped using English letters the moment I learned zhuyin.
 
user19161
@Kit xie xie
 
@Kit Probably Xie xie
 
Oh, that's where that comment came from, Grace.
 
Kit
So what words would you use Tzi and Tsi for?
Assuming you use "si" for four.
 
10:58 PM
@Kit Do you know zhuyin? Because it'd be a whole lot easier for me to illustrate it by just specifying from that
 
Kit
I think I can remember. Try me.
 

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