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@user2646 Can we not talk about this?
I mean, you linked to a meta post that explicitly asked to not discuss the matter
 
@DenisNardin I was about to ping you to move that to the trash
 
I don't think there's need. We're all grown-ups here (at least I hope), let's behave as such
 
1:51 PM
@user2646 Please. It's not like it's even on topic
 
2:42 PM
does "c.s.s. complex" mean cosimplicial set complex? I know this terminology is not used much today but some papers of Kan and others do,
 
@RyanKeleti In Kan's paper On c.s.s. complexes it is used for what today we'd call a simplicial set
 
ah I see! do you know what the "c.s.s." part stands for at all?
 
"complete semisimplicial'. No idea of its origin though
 
thanks, it was hard to find out what that meant.
 
"complete semi-simplicial"
 
3:01 PM
a "semi-simplicial complex" is what we would now call a functor $\Delta^\mathrm{op}_{\mathrm{injective}}\to \mathrm{Set}$, i.e., a "simplicial set without degeneracy operators". I think the "semi" was meant to distinguish it from the classical notion of a simplicial complex. The "complete" means you have degeneracy operators too.
 
3:21 PM
never ever understood that terminology
 
3:49 PM
I never really checked it, but I'm pretty sure that what Hatcher calls in his book a Δ-complex is exactly [the geometric realization of] a semisimplicial set (in modern terminology). I find his choice of terminology really unfortunate
 
4:30 PM
Yes, those are the same thing. But it's not as if he invented that name whole cloth. Rourke and Sanderson worked with the semisimplicial sets under the name Delta-sets; passing to the geometric realization it is not unnatural to use the word 'complex' instead. Semisimplicial complex is something of a mouthful, and seems odd unless you're already explicitly comparing to simplicial complexes.
I guess complete is supposed to indicate you're not missing any important simplices?
 
I mean, I said it is unfortunate because it is different from the terminology used in the rest of the homotopy theory literature
I understand that Hatcher himself is not a homotopy theorist, and that explains a lot of his choices but this "from outside" perspective that makes his book out of sinc with the rest of homotopy theory is one of the biggest flaws of it
 
 
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9:03 PM
The rest of the literature sticks to CW-complexes. I wish he hadn't used Delta-complexes at all. It makes my teaching more difficult.
 
 
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11:21 PM
Not really htpy related, but why does Gerhard Paseman have at least three separate accounts?
Also, I think there are a lot of unfortunate things in Hatcher's book, like how he tries to set up singular homology without categories, functors, or natural transformations
 

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