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2:46 AM
Hello.
Lol.
 
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@CPM yup, that sounds right to me too; i'm reading a paper that seems to totally ignore that fact (and works really hard as a result!), so i wanted to double-check to make sure i wasn't crazy
 
Jon are you going to midwest?
 
Yes.
Well, almost certainly. Working out some money stuff.
I also just applied for a grant to go to this HoTT conference in Barcelona. Dunno if that will work out though.
 
homotopy type theory?
 
2:53 AM
yeah
 
Sounds interesting
 
Yeah, I think that stuff is really cool, foundations and stuff.
should i write a square zero extension of A by M as $A\ltimes M$ or $A\rtimes M$?
or maybe something like $A\ltimes_f M$
 
you should use the same convention as semidirect products for groups. (i don't remember which way it goes there either, though!)
 
Yeah me neither.
 
i heard someone say that it goes N x| G, since N is normal in G and half of the symbol x| looks like that triangle <|
but it actually seems like people do the opposite
 
3:07 AM
so apparently if you've got a map from $H\to Aut(N)$ you write $H\ltimes N$
 
"People" being algebraic topologists probably
 
so, presumably the little bird is eating the module, not the ring
 
A⋊M
 
I don't really know
 
3:10 AM
I guess it doesn't matter. It will be clear from context.
 
cop out
 
is it $0 \to A \to E \to M \to 0$?
 
no but it's an element of Ext(A, M)
 
Oh so it's more "morally" like $0 \to M \to E \to A \to 0$? Or am I just getting everything backwards
Either way whichever one it is kind of like should tell you which way your symbol should go
I think
 
yeah I mean, it's the same story as groups, as in, we say "an extension of A by M"
which if it were a group, i believe the exact sequence would be $0\to M\to E\to A\to 0$
 
3:16 AM
Yeah
 
as you wrote
 
i wish i was less compulsive
 
and i actually i was just realizing i had forgotten what the sequence looks like for rings
 
So it should be A⋉M I guess
 
but eric helped me
or wait
actually i am confused now
 
3:17 AM
:)
 
yeah.... it's the kernel that should have square zero, right?
yes. $R[x]/x^2$ projects onto $R$, as aring
man, square zero extensions are so badass
my own.....
personal.....
Weibel.
excellent book.
 
your'e full of pop culture references today
 
Haha, pop culture is neat.
 
popcorn culture
 
3:35 AM
It turns out that all rings are commutative. What luck.
 
oh, neato
jon i am gonna square-zero extend you
 
Oh man I bet that'd be so cool.
Just... to just be just slightly thicker.
 
yeah
got any good modules
 
Hrm. I think I've got a few lying around.
A friend of mine gave me a book by Alain Badiou today where he apparently attempts to construct a sort of philosophy of philosophy using some kind of set theory.
 
That sounds like the homotopy theory of homotopy theories
 
3:42 AM
Which is awesome.
(fyi)
 
Yes, can't say I've read it, but it seems awesome
 
Mad ups to Julie Bergner, who will be at WCATSS, who hopefully I will get to talk to.
I haven't read it either. Just... it sounds awesome.
As in it induces awe. In me.
 
me too :-)
 
how much?
 
A plethora. Of awes.
How many presents is a plethora?
 
3:45 AM
plethorawesome
 
That's another pop culture reference for you.
 
you're so hip jonananthana
 
won't get me a job tho
 
DID YOU KNOW: "Sbarro's Pizzeria" is an anagram for "PIZZA ORB RA RISES"
 
How much does the book cost?
 
3:47 AM
I dunno, like $15.
 
now that's AWesome :D
 
@MatthewPancia Also: "Zap Zero Rib Pisa"
 
hmm
i like mine better, i think
 
Prize Paso Bairs
Wait.
That's not right.
 
get it together, jon
 
3:49 AM
Prize Pazo Bairs.
what about "Pizza Braise Pro"
That's pretty good.
 
oh
i like that
what would happen if you braised a pizza
 
what about
"Praise Pizza Bro"
 
You're welcome.
 
you got
it
you are king, jon
 
3:52 AM
won't get me a job.
Matt what year are you? Are you my competitor? I've already dealt with Vitaly. I'm coming for you next.
 
4th
well i just finished that
so i guess 5th
 
Oh good. Okay. You're safe.
 
but i am real shitty, so dont worry
 
Wel, no, that's the issue. You're going to be my competition for the shitty jobs.
 
oh, i see
we can always be baltimore baristas
 
3:56 AM
Like "Pants Washer", I'm really hoping to get a job as "Pants Washer"
I hear even Harvard hires Pants Washers
That's true. I could just become a mediocre artist. That wouldn't be so bad.
 
lets start an art collective in detroit
sean will fund us
 
Yeah!
Except Sean is leaving Detroit. :(
 
Detriot? I'll fund you with my spare dollar bills from last time I was in the US
 
I'll take it.
 
3:58 AM
(Sorry to pick on Detroit Sean)
 
too soon, drew
 
Yeah, you're going to need those dollar bills soon.
You think you're so special, with your Foster's for Beer, and your kangaroo meat, and your billabongs.
Well I've had it with your Australian snobbishness.
 
The former, of course.
And your walkabouts, and your stoned koala bears.
 
Perhaps the joke didn't translate over text. Anyway they did have Crocodile Dundee on TV here a few weeks ago
 
4:02 AM
All you guys ever say is "Ooohhh, ohhh, we're the only country that's its own continent, oooo, look at us."
Okay sorry, I'm done.
 
(-:
 
Jon you should come to Australia some time and experience all that (except the Foster's, you can't get that here)
 
I'd looooooove to come to Australia.
I better do some math, so I can get you to invite me.
 
huh!?
i heard that Foster's is Australian For Beer
 
No one I know drinks Foster's. You can probably get it at the bottle-shop, but never on tap
 
4:06 AM
@MatthewPancia did someone tell you about this?
 
about what
foster's?
 
(for all the non-Aussies, Matt just said Beer, in Australian)
 
yeah, type that into google translate
 
@MatthewPancia the art collective.
 
oh, no
i just said that b/c it was funny
is that a real thing
 
4:08 AM
There are a lot of art collectives in Baltimore. I'd totally do that if I wasn't in grad school. Make art all the time. Art is awesome.
 
art garfunkel
 
Beer in Urdu is بیئر
 
lets start a band
that's probably harder than math
 
Music is super hard.
 
i can do a p. good jeff magnum
 
4:09 AM
I can play guitar, Eric can play drums.
 
we'll be Neutral Milk Motel
 
Um, no thanks.
Sorry. Not nice of me.
 
well what would YOU like to be a mediocre cover band for, jon
 
How about Slipknot.
Hahaha.
 
SlipNot
easy
 
4:11 AM
Or Limp Bizkit.
 
@MatthewPancia i saw him in january or something. it was amazing. we had a singalong with jeff mangum.
 
@SeanTilson !
 
Oh I get it. You're doing jokes.
 
humor jokes
 
They're playing DC soon.
 
4:11 AM
american-style humorjokes
 
"humour"
 
the only band i would want to see more live is the unicorns.
 
Oh shit, that'd be awesome. I love the Unicorns.
 
was it you i was talking to about the unicorns, sean
 
4:12 AM
I still need to see Radiohead live. I probably never will.
 
i feel like i've had this conversation before with some mathingtons
 
Possibly me.
 
So Foster's is Australian For Beer™, but not good beer?
 
it's australian for "thing that will piss off an australian almost immediately if you mention"
 
sorry :(
 
4:13 AM
Oh, I thought that was "prison colony."
I don't think I've ever seen anyone drinking a Foster's in America either.
 
i had one, once
it was Very Okay
 
Except maybe at "Outback Steak House"
 
uh, yes, "mate", i'll have 3 of your Bloomin' Onions and 7 cans of Fost... i mean Beer please
 
hahahah
I'll have 7 Koala Ears and a Joey, please.
Rare.
 
DINGO BABY
haooahohaOHO!H
 
4:16 AM
why do they call it "down under"?
 
Wow, so a square zero extension of a square zero extension of A is at most a degree 4 nilpotent extension of A.
 
is there an "up over"?
 
@skullpatrol wales
dont ask why
 
Jon, how dare you bring maths into this
 
I'm rather certain that a degree n extensions of a degree m extension is at most a degree m+n-extension of A.
Though I'm pretty sure that it can be less.
But not less than m+1.
What's the dimension of an n-simplex cross an m-simplex again? m+n?
 
4:18 AM
What's the degree mean here?
 
Just like, a sequence $0\to N\to E\to A\to 0$ such that $N^4=0$
as an algebra.
 
Oh ok.
 
Moreover, any $A\ltimes M$-module is necessarily an $A$-module, so going up a level basically means restricting to a certain class of $A$-modules. I wonder if this is written down anywhere.
As in, what the classification of such $A$-modules is.
 
When you say "degree n extensions of a degree m extension" you mean extend $A$ by a degree 4 element and then extend $E$ by a degree n extension?
 
4:22 AM
where n is 4 and m is n
but whatever
 
No, just m is 4
 
I'm not sure, so I'm saying like, "First take a degree m extension of A, call it E, then extend E by a degree n extension"
 
Yes that's what I meant.
 
and then this new guy can be realized as a nilpotent extension of A
 
4:23 AM
I just couldn't seem to type it without making an error
 
No worries.
And this is like, super connected, I think, to Jacob Lurie's thing $T_C\to Fun(\Delta^1,C)\to C$
 
Ok. That's interesting...it certainly makes sense that would be at most a degree m+n extension
 
In general, we should have some kind of thing $T^q_C\to Fun(\Delta^q,C)\to Fun(\Delta^{1-q},C)\to\cdots C$
I think.
 
Is there some Ext group or something that classifies nilpotent extensions?
 
Welllllll, that's what I'm working out.
So, HH classifies square zero extensions
So, there's sort of this tree of Hochschild cohomologies
Like, pick a square zero extension, this is a cocycle in $HH^\ast(A)$
oh wait
sorry
that's not true at all
Yeah, I dunno if there's a universal dude.
an extension of $A$ by $M$ lives in $HH^2(A,M)$, if I'm not mistaken.
 
4:27 AM
What are $A$ and $M$ here?
 
$A$ is some $k$-algebra for a ring $k$, and $M$ is an $A$-module, I guess.
(disclaimer: I confuse myself really easily)
(and I've left my own personal Weibel in my office)
 
holyshit
that's awesome
 
steklov institute
da.
 
my buddy Kurdiani
great. now I don't have to work all this out.
whoa look what else was published in the same issue
 
4:32 AM
my zine
 
Morava K-theory ring for a quasi-dihedral group in Chern classes
 
Your K-Theory ring for a quasi-dihedral group in Chern classes
 
Hahah, exactly. I'd have to re-typeset the whole thing to send it to Jack.
Wow @Drew super thanks, I think this paper will be very helpful.
 
oh nat has had that open in his office before
 
you know, if he had just used a different letter
 
4:34 AM
haha, I know your issues with the K
 
No prob Jon
 
This is so weird. I mean, I don't think this guy realizes it, but the natural setting for this is definitely DAG.
 
well it's from 2006 so
practically ancient
 
Haha, I don't know. I've been reading original Eilenberg and MacLane lately.
As in, I can barely connect it to anything modern because all of the notation has changed since then.
 
Ye Olde K(G,n)
 
4:37 AM
Plus, do you guys realize the importance of what Eilenberg and MacLane did?
Specifically Saunders MacLane.
I mean, we should build that guy an effin statue every time we do topology.
 
i think that is an unsustainable suggestion jon
 
Every time.
 
not much topology would get done at least
 
Hi @GregStevenson
 
It could be a little statue.
And not very realistic.
 
4:39 AM
@skullpatrol G'day @skullpatrol
Clearly too early - double tagged you.
 
np :-)
 
What time is it where everyone is?
It's almost 1am here.
 
6:40am
 
2:40pm
 
4:42 AM
1240
 
21:40
 
Oh wow... people were talking about Fosters earlier?
 
Yeah, gettin' buck wild in here.
 
Greg I think they were teasing me. At least I think
 
Ya it's australian for "thing that will piss off an australian almost immediately if you mention"
 
4:43 AM
No!
 
I didn't expect to look at the starred stuff and see 2 Australian references.
 
We weren't teasing Drew. We were caring for Drew.
Okay, I have to go get my laundry.
 
Greg, I'm Australian if you hadn't figured it out. I guess you are too
 
When I get back all these stars better be gone.
 
Don't you control the stars?
 
4:44 AM
Greg is Australian. He is a category theorist. He's a beast.
I do, but you guys better figure something out.
 
Yeh, I just figured you might be Drew ;)
 
@GregStevenson you can just say "Beer", we know what you mean
 
Hahaha.
Yeah Greg, please speak English here.
 
@MatthewPancia if I just said beer, you might think of American beer, so I'm not sure you would know what I meant.
 
well, jon said you were australian, so i am running everything through babelfish
AUS -> EN/US
 
4:46 AM
hahaha
well played sir
 
Define "meaning."
 
the process of making mean
 
@Drew Whereabouts in Australia are you at?
 
The part that is on the continent ;D
 
;D~|-<
that's guy fieri
 
4:49 AM
:P
 
Greg I'm at University of Melbourne
 
oh, i think there's a dude from there
in my program
 
Ah, cool. Is Craig W still there?
 
Yeah, Craig is my supervisor. Although he is leaving soon
 
do you know this richard dude
he's like a 2nd year at UT, i think
 
4:54 AM
I don't think so. But babelfish might be mistranslating a crucial piece of information.
 
perhaps
 
Australians really get around.
 
I guess people in maths really get around. Seems like it's the way it is
 
there are like 5-6 people that do math, so
it's not surprising
 
What is the opinion in Austria about this Austrian mathematician posting ultrafinitism videos on YouTube?
 
4:59 AM
whatever that is, there's probably not a national consensus
 
keine Ahnung
Actually, I believe both Austria and Australia are pro axiom of global choice - there are radical fringe finitist movements, but they are pretty harmless.
 
This is the guy.
 
Ohhhhhh, that dude.
I didn't even have to watch the video, just see the name in the link haha.
 
N.J. Wildberger.
He sure has put a lot of work into his videos.
 
I didn't realise it was a serious question. I have no serious answer.
 
5:13 AM
this actually came up the other day in my office.
 
sean doesn't believe in any numbers greater than 5
 
0,1,2,p,q,l,i,j,m,n is a complete list of numbers right?
 
which makes things nice for him: all of his spectral sequences collapse at E_5
you forgot \infty. some fancy-pants-wearers in the room would be out of a job if you took away their infinity
 
5-categories
 
haha they're all the rage
 
5:17 AM
hrm you are right - we need \kappa and \lambda so we can have some cardinals
 
(removed)-categories
 
I once went to a talk entitled "2-groups and 2-bundles" and I really wanted the speaker to go to the board, write "SO(3), quaternions" and "tangent bundle of a sphere, trivial bundle on any space " and then leave
 
haha
i study 3-manifolds
like, S^1, a torus, and maybe like SU(2)
 
me too: a point, the circle, and the empty set
@ArnavTripathy is back!
 
@ArnavTripathy is (removed)
 
5:20 AM
(-:
 
carry the arnav
there is arnav at the bottom of the ocean
 
gadzuks!
 
Talking (removed) - Once In A (removed)
 
(-:
 
well, famous 80's new wave bands ought to be in your repertoire
 
 
6 hours later…
11:20 AM
@EricPeterson: By the way Eric here is a fun curiosity about Thom spaces/spectra I recently discovered from LMS. Take the Thom space $Tf$ of an $S^n$ fibration over a connected base space $X$. Then $\pi_n Tf\cong \mathbb{Z}$ or $\mathbb{Z}/2$ moreover the first option happens if and only if the classifying map $X\rightarrow BhAut(S^n)$ lifts to $BShAut(S^n)$.
@EricPeterson: This implies Thom spectra coming from connected spaces can only have $\pi_0$ equal to $\mathbb{Z}$ or $\mathbb{Z}/2$ and this is determined by whether or not the classifying map lifts to $BSL_1S$. In particularly if $f$ is a loop map and we take the associated Thom ring spectrum then either $\pi_0$ is $\mathbb{Z}$ or the homotopy ring is a $\mathbb{Z}/2$ algebra (e.g. MO).
An easy consequence of this is is that odd Eilenberg-MacLane spectra are not Thom spectra.
 
 
5 hours later…
4:37 PM
That's a cool fact that is also used in Fridolin Roth's thesis to determine that HZ-oriented Thom spectra are always Hopf-Galois extensions, or something like that.
 
@JustinNoel that is nice. :) i know that there's a competing fact, but i forget how it goes: by replacing BGL_1 S with BGL_1 S_(p), you can produce either HZ_(p) or HZ/p as a thom spectrum over some base which is morally similar to Loops^2 S^3. does something change dramatically enough that you actually can produce HZ/p from BGL_1 S_(p), or can you only get the much more mundane and believable HZ_(p)?
 
 
4 hours later…
8:53 PM
has anyone read barwick's "equivariant derived algebraic geometry and k-theory"? i'm having trouble making sense of some definitions
where the heck is @aaron royer
@aaronroyer?
maybe i need to look into a mirror and say his name three times backwards
 
9:21 PM
Be careful, he might haunt you forever.
 
9:33 PM
@JonBeardsley did you notice the star message panel is clear?
 
Yes. Haha.
I imagine I have Eric to thank for that.
 

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