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I don’t understand how anyone could claim contrary to the title. The mitzvah is to put tzitzis/gedilim on four corners of a garment with at least that many. If a person wears two garments that have four corners, why should he not put tzitzis on each of them? And likewise up to 70.

Or whatever number it was that he would wear

@DonielF Hi, I'm on my way out of town to somewhere where I may not have internet (so I may be eliminated form the contest, fyi)

The main point is that it's only considered a beged if you get warmth/protection, but if it makes you sweat or uncomfortable than there is no mitzvah, and wearing so many makes you uncomfortable so each one doesnt count

but wearing just 1 (or maybe even 2/3) would

@Dr.Shmuel

Thanks, not sure when I'll be able to follow up

@רבותמחשבות Why wouldn’t the first several count, before it starts to get uncomfortable? If four is fine but five isn’t, why does the fifth disqualify the first four?

Who says he’ll be uncomfortable at all? It’s a subjective thing that someone like then aforementioned gadol had achiveed a love which is beyond physical discomfort- and actually would be comfortable, like sitting in a hot succah

@DonielF they count when there are only 4 or 5 of them, but once it gets to a point where each one makes him sweat, none are considered a beged, since each individual one should not be on.

@Dr.Shmuel "Mitzvos lav leihanos nitnu", and the fact that it is tolerable doesn't make it considered a normal wearing. (And sitting in a hot sukkah is a bad example; mitzta'er patur min hasukkah.)

@Alex All that demonstrates is that, according to those at least, one isn't required to wear multiple pairs. There's nothing there that proves that if one does so he loses the schar of all of them.

@רבותמחשבות Re your response to me - that's a terrible logic. The halacha is that if five people are sitting on a bench that can support five people, and a sixth person sat down on it and broke it, the sixth person can't claim that had the others been there it would be fine. They were there first, and his coming broke the bench! Only the sixth person is chayiv to pay.

So, too, had the first five pairs of tzitzis been comfortable, and only with the sixth pair is it uncomfortable, only the sixth one is disqualified.

Re your response to Dr. Shmuel - I think his point is that if someone has such a love for the mitzvos, he won't feel uncomfortable in such a sukkah. מצות לאו ליהנות ניתנו is completely irrelevant.

@DonielF that's a bad analogy. Nothing is breaking something, but each pair is contributing to discomfort and loses it's status as a begged.

@DonielF that's true. The halachic rule of Mitzvos lav leihanos is not related at all, I was just trying to make a point that just because someone won't feel uncomfortable because they are having a good mitzvah feeling, doesn't mean it is not a situation where halacha considered it bothersome.

@רבותמחשבות The same way that each person contributes to the breakage of the bench, each garment contributed to the discomfort of the person. The same way that only the last person is liable, so, too, only the last garment should be “liable.”

I don’t get it. You say it’s based on the discomfort of the person. If they feel uncomfortable, they feel uncomfortable, and if they don’t, they don’t. Why should the reason they’re uncomfortable matter? (Assuming there’s not something like a fan to offset the discomfort of the garments.)

@DonielF So the title of this room is perhaps a bit misleading. It makes it sound like the debate is whether you can get more than one mitzvah of tzitzis, not whether you get any mitzvah at all.

@Alex It’s a bit of both. רבות is arguing that if one wears too many pairs then none of them count, and I’m (at this point) arguing that they all count until one becomes uncomfortable.

The original debate was between all versus nothing, which is where the title came from.

@DonielF Then this sentence from the linked answer should be relevant: In his commentary to Deuteronomy 22:12 he goes further and states that wearing multiple garments with tzitzit leads to a belief in the lack of unity of God, and is a violation of bal tosif (adding to the commandments):