The Renderfarm - 2018-04-26

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4:56 AM

There seems to be a law of open source software, that all the ones that actually build on windows provide binaries, and all the ones that don't provide binaries are impossible to build on windows. Resulting conspiracy theory: The developers are lying and they have never actually gotten it to build on windows. If they did, why not provide binaries :P

This is esp. bad when they say it "has reported to work," in which case the developers don't even pretend to have built it on windows.

5:11 AM

@DuarteFarrajotaRamos I'm deeply disappointed of the current state of the collective guessing powers. I thought this site was supernatural, like an übershader with metaphysical qualities that always renders "as expected"... so sad to confirm that we're only human...

5:23 AM

@GiantCowFilms bah. who uses that fringe operating system anyway

5:48 AM

@gandalf3 Lots of people...

myself included XD

:P

Me, I know I'm looking at software I want when the readme says "windows is unsupported (some report it runs under cygwin)"

windows is now an operating system with two purposes: direct marketing and wasting the user's time while it updates itself.

6:26 AM

@gandalf3 Personally, I kind of think the point of open source is being free to run on any platform. And sure, it technically is (if you have lots, and lots of skills and time), but when they only support linux, in spirit it isn't.

Also, VMs/Dualbooting is not really an option, swapping OS within your workflow is just too cumbersome :/

In a perfect world, everything would just run on one OS (preferably an open source one), but in reality there is still alot of windowz only software that has value.

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7:38 AM

@GiantCowFilms I wouldn't agree that's the point, but yes, I said that (mostly) in jest. We linuxers know all too well the feeling of being overlooked in the "supported platforms" section. (mostly by proprietary software, licecap is still the only windows-only open source project I've ever seen)

@gandalf3 No, not the whole point, but a key part of it.

And yeah, I don't know how you folks survive :P

@GiantCowFilms *mumbles something about "free software" and "open source" being a term co-opted into pretty much only meaning "the source code is at least partial available"*

These days Open Source is what proprietary software developers call parts of their ecosystem they don't want to have the expense of developing, so try to flog the work off to their customer base.

@GiantCowFilms It helps if you develop a thorough distaste of all proprietary software on principle ;)

("I didn't want that bloated binary blob anyway!")

@GiantCowFilms I was thinking of projects like android

That fits my definiton perfectly. Open source most of the stuff, but keep certain parts of the ecosystem closed to ensure profit.

7:46 AM

"Look (at bits of it), but don't touch anything"

Now you have lots of people developing your complex OS for free, but get to pocket all the money from the play store.

@GiantCowFilms Android gets community patches?

@gandalf3 In theory....

I thought the development of core android was closed

@gandalf3 O.o?

7:48 AM

Just people are free to fork

I think you can submit back.... in theory at least?

Isn't it built on linux?

@gandalf3 Turns out they open sourced it just enough to let Samsung annoyingly re-skin it and force install facebook.

:P

@gandalf3 Why do they open source it if they don't want community patches?

I kind of thought that was the point from their end, sourcing assistance in maintaining it.

@GiantCowFilms Maybe stuff gets incorporated, but I was under the impression that all the code that goes in is written by android people

Like, one doesn't just submit a pull request

@GiantCowFilms Marketing?

@gandalf3 I doubt most people care that much.

7:51 AM

dunno

Infact, the fact that Apple is proprietary top to bottom is their selling point. They have convinced people that it works better because they did the entire thing.

It also costs more

Which is proof that it's superior

:P

Lol.

TBH, their phones are actually remotely compeditive, unlike their desktops, which are shockingly bad value for money.

Recently discovered these:

Halloween documents

The Halloween documents comprise a series of confidential Microsoft memoranda on potential strategies relating to free software, open-source software, and to Linux in particular, and a series of media responses to these memoranda. Both the leaked documents and the responses were published by Eric S. Raymond in 1998. The documents are associated with Halloween because many of them were originally leaked close to October 31 in different years. == Overview == The first Halloween document, requested by senior vice-president Jim Allchin for the attention of senior vice-president Paul Maritz and written...

Oh wow, Android has an entire flowchart explaining what happens to your patch. Yikes

@gandalf3 Did they ever act on those plans?

8:02 AM

Seems they tried, on some of them

Huh.

I thought this section was especially interesting: catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html#quote9

The bit about "By extending these protocols and developing new protocols, we can deny OSS projects entry into the market."

Whats ironic is that the standards have now made IE look obsolete, instead of the reverse.

yep, they tried :P

at least it didn't work in some areas

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1:31 PM

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos

3:32 PM

@David do you have any idea of how many review sweeps you have made to date?

3:51 PM

Too many...

4:38 PM

coming up on 100 I think

Duarte Farrajota Ramos

5:01 PM

We need badges for that achievement

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10:59 PM

@DuarteFarrajotaRamos yep I keep a log. It is a file with the date and the link to the image (that is why I keep posting them in here.)

102 is the number.

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Duarte Farrajota Ramos

must be some kind of record for sure

11:22 PM

lol, for sure.

Getting review sweeps on larger sites is probably a lot harder

and I doubt few people on smaller sites would care enough to be that dedicated XD

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