Is reencoding a recording of a game game related enough?

1:23 AM

@badp But @IvoFlipse was looking at the wrong step of the whole capture to publish process, although Camtasia does allow you to do a big part of that process it doesn't allow you to transcode an existing movie into another format.

Oak

7:17 AM

Thanks @badp

Ivo Flipse

8:59 AM

HOLY CRAP, how long did you guys went on ranting about FRAPS?

Oak

11:21 AM

@badp I was on vacation, responding in delay.

You didn't start an edit war and referenced me to blame :)

Also, have you guys reached any conclusion regarding your video conversion question?

badp

@IvoFlipse Just those seven hours and a half

I wanted to tick the counter up to 8 but couldn't... yet. :(

@Oak The question is currently open but no good answers have been given yet.

I guess that means that the audience I'm targeting either isn't there or doesn't want to reply here.

Oh look, an edit.

Oak

No @badp, I meant regarding the argument you had about whether that question is on-topic or not.

Arda Xi

We did not, no, @Oak

badp

@Oak Eh, I was blamed because the one edit I did apparently changed the question invalidating all answers, so...

(not that I agree with this evaluation.)

Oak

@badp @Arda I skimmed over the chat log and it seems most people were pretty fixed on their position

So I think the best thing to do now is to shift the argument to meta, and let the community decide via voting

badp

11:30 AM

@Oak 7 upvotes, 2 close votes, does that count? :P

I've temporarily given the tick to the first answer giving a step by step.

Oak

@badp I suppose it does actually, but people should be able to express their opinion to try to convince others, and meta is a good place for that

badp

@Oak You mean we need to start the whole shebang all over again on Meta?

/o\

Oak

@badp I was thinking more about just giving your final arguments

I don't want you to start all over again... more just writing something other people can vote about

StrixVaria

11:57 AM

@badp You need 3000 rep to vote to close but only 10 rep to upvote. Not exactly a fair comparison :P

badp

@StrixVaria And how much rep to upvote comments? :)

There's a third person who upvoted Arda's comment about SU.

Arda Xi

@badp Who, apparently, lacks the rep to close.

I don't think an upvote inherently means 'This belongs here' just 'This is a good question'.

badp

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StrixVaria

@ArdaXi Which it is.

badp

@ArdaXi That makes three perspective close votes :)

StrixVaria

12:03 PM

I'm 100% sure TomWij would vote to close if he had the rep to.

Arda Xi

@badp There were at least 4 people in this room who agreed with me at some point.

badp

Grace and Ivo agreed with me at some point as well, together with the people who answered.

Arda Xi

No, Grace never agreed with you.

She was undecided.

StrixVaria

Ivo kept iterating the wrong points.

badp

12 hours ago, by Grace Note

I sided with you at first

at some point, see? :)

Arda Xi

12:04 PM

12 hours ago, by Grace Note

Back when I thought FRAPS encoding mattered

StrixVaria

Until she understood that the source of the video was irrelevant, as very specifically enumerated by TomWij.

Arda Xi

Let's not pull things out of context.

badp

Yeah, it's still one point where I had two supporters.

StrixVaria

"Until all the facts were known, my argument seemed awesome."

Arda Xi

@StrixVaria He's kinda supposed to, representing SU

badp

12:05 PM

Ivo looked at the question at face value: a gamer needing help with a gamer tool.

You are looking at the question in its core: a transcoder needing help with a transcoding tool.

Arda Xi

Indeed.

Oak

Well I think this all proves my point, that we better create a meta topic.

Something to concretely vote about.

badp

That's no solution!!

Arda Xi

The solution comes afterwards

badp

eh, next time I'll just open a question on Meta then.

StrixVaria

12:07 PM

@badp The problem is, the part of the process you most need help with doesn't need gamer tools any more. You're already finished using your gamer tools and now you're trying to do something else.

That gamers happen to do it is irrelevant. Many gamers also happen to program games. Doesn't mean game-dev questions are relevant here.

badp

@StrixVaria There are a few orders of magnitude in difference here between gamers making games and gamers recording their gaming.

StrixVaria

@badp Your question isn't about recording.

badp

My question is instrumental to recording.

Arda Xi

No, it isn't.

badp

A recording you cannot share is hardly useful.

Arda Xi

12:14 PM

It doesn't help you record.

It helps you upload or share your recording, but that has nothing to do with recording itself.

StrixVaria

I think badp said what he meant backwards.

But he was still wrong.

badp

@ArdaXi You sound like it rather belonged on WebApps.

Arda Xi

@badp How so?

I don't believe that the fact it helps something defines its topicality.

StrixVaria

@badp Your question wouldn't be worth asking if you didn't have a recording to work with. By the time your question matters, you already have a recording. Which means you're done using gamer tools (fraps), and now want to use tools that deal with changing a video from one format to another. Which has NOTHING to do with gaming.

badp

I guess my real problem is that the alternative is asking on "anything with a question mark in it that happens to be done with a computer and doesn't belong on any other SE site"

StrixVaria

12:18 PM

@badp That's unfortunate, but like you said before, we can't base our definition on the existence of other sites.

badp

Just don't complain when we'll bring topicality in triumph the day gamers.se is born :P

(because I will complain.)

Oak

So, um, does anyone have any objection for opening a meta-question about this?

Because I don't see that chat going anywhere :)

badp

@Oak I've reached the point where I don't care anymore, I'll just not upload any videos with my answers anymore if they're too large :P

Everybody loses, but hey, topicality baby.

Oak

@badp Will you write your opinion on such a meta-discussion? For others to vote on?

Arda Xi

@badp You've already had at least two good answers.

badp

12:27 PM

A second answer was edited to include steps?

Arda Xi

No, but Handbrake is still a good answer to your original question.

badp

Hmm, why, yes, it has. The Movie Maker answer.

Arda Xi

Ouch.

Oak

Well, I posted something, let's see if it gets us anywhere.

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Q: Video conversion question

There is a controversy regarding badp's What is the simplest way to re-encode Fraps recordings to something more sensible? question, as evident both in that question's comments and in chat room created explicitly for that question. As there appears to be no conclusion reached in chat, this meta-...

Arda Xi

12:43 PM

I've attempted to answer it. @badp if you feel I've misrepresented your opinion please let me know.

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A: Video conversion question

Personally, I believe the question is off-topic, because it doesn't deal with the recording of the game itself, but the post-processing of that recording. First, the video is created using Fraps. This could raise questions like "How do I use Fraps with Minecraft". This would be on-topic on this ...

badp

@ArdaXi You haven't put in my mouth words I didn't say. :)

Arda Xi

Answered. :)

StrixVaria

I'm going to refrain from commenting on any answers in that meta question so we don't start another chat war.

But I was really tempted to.

Arda Xi

Yeah, I have no discipline.

StrixVaria

12:58 PM

How do I create a snippet of a chat to link to?

I would have used TomWij's from yesterday in my answer but the messages were moved to this room from Bridge.

So I went to recreate it but I couldn't figure out how.

Arda Xi

click the room button on the top-right

create bookmark

badp

400 messages max.

Heh, go figure, +0/-2, tell me something I didn't know ;)

I'm not going to downvote your answers, because I totally see your points and agree they're valid, in general.

StrixVaria

1:18 PM

@Arda Thanks.

Oak

1:43 PM

You're back to +2/-2 :)

badp

→ 1 message moved to Bridge

GnomeSlice

@Oak That was probably me.

Arda Xi

2:13 PM

@badp Out of curiosity, what do you mean by 'in general'?

badp

@ArdaXi There are many problems gamers have, like "how can I pay the right amount of taxes, not one penny more, not on penny less."

So in general, Gaming does not allow "all questions gamers have"

because, in this case, the taxes example is completely unrelated with gaming.

and there's no SE about taxes.

Although one could argue your gaming increases your power bill and thus increases your taxes or something. (???)

However, here, the fact it's one gigabyte per minute we're talking about changes the perspective

It's no longer "transcoding to watch this video on my computer/ipod/ipad/android/tv"

It's "transcoding so I have space on my HDD for other stuff and can upload this in a reasonable amount of time"

Grace Note

For what it's worth, I posted my perspective.

Arda Xi

Your perspective is always worth a lot, @GraceNote

+1 for Whack-A-Site

StrixVaria

Yay you agreed with my answer :D

Grace Note

2:29 PM

I don't think it's offtopic entirely because FRAPS is irrelevant due to the codec issue.

StrixVaria

I actually really like your suggestion that our chat is the perfect place to get his answer.

badp

if we discuss questions and answers on chat, why would we need a Q&A engine to begin with?

StrixVaria

Because your question is off topic on the main Q&A site but still tangentially related and like you suggested some people might know the answer

Grace Note

@badp Because no one is suggesting we do actual Gaming Q&A on the chat. Chat is meant to be an accessory to community building and shaping our expertise

badp

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Grace Note

2:35 PM

Troubleshooting the utilities we use for creating great answers is perfectly in the scope of chat's utility without detracting from the site.

badp

To be honest, the discussion started in chat.

@GraceNote From here on.

I figured it's a common enough problem to warrant being asked properly on the site.

Grace Note

But commonality of a problem does not make it valid. To be frank, it feels like the same as my trying to do programming work in the office but being pulled aside to assist in IT endeavours just because I happen to know it. My 8 hours per day is for coding, not tech support.

badp

@GraceNote Except I'm not pulling aside anybody. You don't have to answer if you don't want to...

...okay, that's not a good comeback.

Grace Note

No, it really isn't. When you ask a question, the very intent is to get an answer, is it not? I think you're better served getting an answer from us. I simply don't think you picked the right channel.

badp

@GraceNote Yes, which is why I wish those 10 hours would've been spent on getting an answer instead of arguing on whether or not I should get to have an answer >_>

Grace Note

2:50 PM

@badp Oh, I definitely agree. I really wish you didn't have to be put through such a waste of time.

badp

I hoped I'd do something good for everybody and not just me by asking it on the site. Turns out it's just a waste of time.

Arda Xi

It's not at any rate an invalid question.

Grace Note

To clarify my earlier example, by the way, the point isn't so much the time wasted (which excepting the aforementioned 10 hours, none would have been). Rather, it's that certain places have certain utilities. The "8 hours per day is for Coding" mirrors the "Parent Q&A is for Gaming", if that wasn't clear.

Pretend I didn't say something really stupid in the initial revision.

badp

3:03 PM

Fine. For the sake of kittens, I give up. Star this message, celebrate, do something, I don't know, impress me.

Grace Note

4:38 PM

Should I collapse all of the comments on the parent question and just produce a link to the Meta question? Pretty much everything there is just an earlier hash of what is stated in the Meta question, or rage at the quantity of chat discussion.

Arda Xi

4:48 PM

Yeah, comments on the main question should not have this discussion

badp

@GraceNote yes, please.

Grace Note

Done. I don't get enough opportunities to approvedly use the mass comment obliterator.

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badp

oooh, a StackExchange™ CommentOverflow OrbitNuker™, how cute :D

Grace Note

Next time, I'll do it while shouting "FATAL ATTACK! HEART-ATTACK INDUCING SEXY STRIKE!"