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MJD
5:54 AM
Having been caught out by this before, I would like to ask:
Have any of the current candidates previously been suspended? If so, which ones, why, when, and for how long?
 
6:04 AM
@MJD At the moment, this is the highest-voted suggested question on the mod-candidate-question-collection-thread, so it will probably be asked. For what it is worth, I have never been suspended nor have I even gotten a moderator notice.
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MJD
Thanks, I had not seen that thread.
 
MJD
6:19 AM
Is there anyone who was not self-nominated?
 
@MJD You can't nominate other people, so they're all self-nominations.
 
MJD
Thanks. I wonder why I thought otherwise.
 
 
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10:33 AM
Is it a good sign or a bad sign, that noone asks me about my possible lack of experience ?
 
 
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12:37 PM
@MJD Although this will probably be asked, I would like to mention that I've never been suspended on this site, MO, or any of the other online communities I've participated in over the years.
 
12:53 PM
Is the suspension question only for the main site or for chats too ?
 
@eXtremiity This is the wrong chat, it is only for the moderator election. (I see you already tried the other one)
 
@julian THANKS I just thought I did answer him didn't I and thought I had lost my sanity :D
@julian why is your TeX account your mother account
 
1:17 PM
@DominicMichaelis I don't know about chat. You can get suspended on chat pretty easily. 15 min suspensions are free as in free beer.
 
@DominicMichaelis Oh, didn't know it is. I think because I posted their first.
@DominicMichaelis Just looked it up, so the order of appearance of my account should be: 1) MO 2) TeX.SE 3) math.SE. But nowadays I'm far more active on math.SE
 
 
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2:51 PM
5 hours left for nominations
 
3:02 PM
hurry up...
 
I am already nominated ^^
 
3:16 PM
I know, but others might read it
 
 
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4:59 PM
2 hours to go
 
@Julian MO isn't part of the Stackexchange network yet.
 
5:28 PM
Please, nobody drop out now. MSE elections would benefit from having primaries.
 
@MichaelGreinecker, when someone drops out no primaries ?
 
@Dominic According to MadScientists, primaries will only come when there are more than ten candidates.
At least, that would force it. SE top folks seem not to keen on granting primaries in any case.
 
5:51 PM
@MichaelGreinecker I know. That's why TeX.SE is listed first here.
 
6:20 PM
40 minutes
 
6:34 PM
@MichaelGreinecker Although I agree a primary would be beneficial, the benefit would be as a result of putting off the election until positions of candidates were made clear. As far as the intended purpose of a primary goes, this one will be sort of silly, reducing the field from 11 to 10.
 
7:02 PM
nomination should be closed by now
oh wait
its 56 minutes left
Stackexchange doesn't have summer time ?
 
@MichaelGreinecker SE did say that they would force primaries if that is really desired, they didn't like the idea of fake nominations to force a primary though
@DominicMichaelis Don't try to understand the way SE does time, it is always the way you don't expect it
 
I should stop believing at time. Nobody has it so it doesn't exist anyway :D
 
@MadScientist My problem is that SE never said it acknowledges that primaries are really desired, even though I think many users expressed that desire.
 
@MichaelGreinecker They encouraged a feature request to see if the community actually wanted them. I'm rather skeptical if a forced primary would be useful myself
 
I think it's not primaries that are desired so much as some separation between the end of nominations and elections.
 
7:10 PM
what exactly are primaries anyway ?
 
@DominicMichaelis The point is to narrow down candidates. But after last elections debacle with a moderator who was suspended twice before, many wanted to make sure that all dark secrets come of candidates come out of the closet before the final vote. And primaries would have been helpful in that case.
 
is it like a pre election ?
 
@MadScientist That's true, and as far as I can tell no-one actually made the request. Am I missing the thread?
 
@TomOldfield Nope, nobody made it
 
can someone give me a link to nomination page. I wanna see who nominated :)
 
7:15 PM
It's linked to on every math.SE page
 
and it's in red too haha didn't see it lol
 
With regards to Bill's suspension history though, there was a question asked to all moderators along the lines of "have you ever been suspended". However, all questions are optional and Bill just declined to answer. I'm not sure that having primaries would have made much of a difference in this regard.
 
@TomOldfield Declining to answer says something in itself.
 
Well, he didn't decline to answer so much as just didn't answer. From looking at the thread, only two of the candidates did answer. It's a bit hard to tell though since comments were deleted.
 
It is still a mistery that noone asked wheter I am to unexperienced ...
 
7:20 PM
@DominicMichaelis Alright, I'll bite. Don't you feel that you are too inexperienced to moderate math.SE effectively?
 
And anyway, this time, I think that the suspension question will be a huge issue anyway, and would be even if we didn't have primaries. I'm not convinced that they'll make that much difference.
 
@AlexBecker to be honest I don't know it. But as noone asked I think noone is worried about
 
@DominicMichaelis That's what I was expecting you to say, and I think is indicative of why no-one asks: there isn't really much to add.
 
@AlexBecker I nominated mostly because of I was sceptic of some other canditates
 
@DominicMichaelis I think you and Gruber will win for sure.
 
7:30 PM
@DominicMichaelis I think that's true for a lot of candidates, including me. I was surprised by the lack of high-rep candidates and thought I should toss my hat in the ring.
 
Moderation is a lot of responsibility so many high rep people wouldn't want it.
 
I think all new moderators will have a problem with experience. Half the moderation tem will be newbies, so one cannot simply sit back and slowly learn from the old guard.
 
@AlexanderJones But that's not how it's worked in the past. For example, I am the only candidate with as much rep as any of the current (or recently resigned) moderators.
 
I would like to think that having high reputation isn't indicative of being a good candidate!
After all, Bill was (I think) the highest rep moderator we've ever had, and that didn't turn out too well.
 
@TomOldfield To be honest it would be hard for me to respect a moderator with less than several k reputation.
 
7:34 PM
Other than Qiaochu, but there were issues with him also.
 
That's a good point, Tom
 
@DominicMichaelis I can understand that, but why?
 
But at the same time, high rep is indicative of one kind of experience and community trust.
Just not the same kind of trust needed in a moderator.
 
Reputation is a sign of good mathematical talent, which is most definitely not sufficient for good moderating ability.
 
I would say the two are correlated.
Rep is a sign not just of mathematical talent, but being able to answer user's mathematical questions well. I think that is a useful thing for a mod of a mathematics Q&A site.
 
7:36 PM
@DominicMichaelis It seems a bit strange to me to allow diamond moderators that aren't 10k+ (they are yet to even see the moderation tools).
 
High rep also means that the user has time to spend on MSE answering Q's
 
@TomOldfield well I got some k reputation in my very first weeks...
 
All good points, but it doesn't give any indication of how good moderators are at dealing with people, for example.
@DominicMichaelis Yes, but as you've pointed out, you're the fastest user to ever reach 10k reputation.
 
@Alexander True, but for example I also spend much time on MSE as you can see e.g. from the fact that I have 4 times as many reviews as every other candidate. I just don't use the time e.g. in trying to be faster or better as all the others answering linear algebra question.
 
@pourjour dropbox.com/sh/in5qc6kzo14d7h7/6ETkU0_fjC Heaps of questions, have fun :)
 
7:41 PM
Yes, I would say that Julian is one of the candidates most suited for moderation (if not the most suited), despite having even lower reputation than me.
 
@TomOld well reputation is a sign how many time you spend on MSE and that is a siginificant factor I think. For sure guys like @Julian have a special position
 
@TomOldfield Julian's usage pattern is very strange. He's practically already moderating the site, but hardly using it. Makes me wonder how he got into math.SE, as it seems like he's doing an awful lot of free work relative to math.
I definitely think these facts recommend him as a moderator. They just seem odd.
 
Yes, but I spend rather a lot of time on MSE, but being an undergraduate means that the number of questions available for me to answer is reduced. I also don't usually answer questions that I don't find particularly interesting or relevant to me in some way. If I don't think that my answer will be unique in some way I usually won't answer.
 
only 16 minutes left for brian scott to swoop in and eclipse us all.
 
@AlexanderGruber Heh.
 
7:44 PM
@AlexanderGruber Or perhaps a two day old user called "mathgemz"!
 
he need 300 reputation though
 
@AlexBecker Thx.
 
@TomOldfield campaign platform: all moderation will be done using impeccable TeX
 
@JulianKuelshammer But seriously, why do you spend so much time camping the review queues?
 
@AlexBecker He certainly is an unusual user, but definitely an asset to the site.
 
7:49 PM
My campaign promise: Everyone will be allowed to divide by zero for up to two weeks.
 
@AlexBecker Can't really say. It's quite some fun and hopefully useful for the site. But I'm not the top reviewer. This position is in my opinion owned by @Amzoti.
 
@MichaelGreinecker Fine by me, as long as they don't divide by 2(9+3)
 
I'm going to have a very long flight from Austria to Australia. I have a longer stay tomorrow in Germany and will get to answer all questions there in detail. I'll try to answer some before that.
 
1 minute folks
And we're live.
 
8:09 PM
Best of luck!
 
Hey, one can now vote for the primary.
 
MJD
8:36 PM
We are really having a primary for the sole purpose of eliminating pre-kidney from the general election. That is just silly.
Then we get to do it all over again even though the outcome of the election will be known ahead of time.
 
@MJD Such cut-off values (10 in this case) are always a little awkward when they're just surpassed. The result will not be known ahead of time because we can vote for more than three candidates, and cannot indicate a preference among our votes.
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But it does give us a pretty good idea of the outcome
 
MJD
In the main election, we can only vote for three candidates, and can indicate a preference for the votes?
Will the balloting be secret?
I do not understand the reasoning behind this elaborate and complicated election procedure.
 
@MJD This is my understanding of the rules as I have attained after quite some reading on meta over the past week.
@MJD Naturally.
 
MJD
The primary balloting isn't secret, so it's not at all obvious that the general election will be secret.
Why should one be secret and not the other?
@75064 Here's a version of your posts-by-month query that aggregates the data for all users into a single result: data.stackexchange.com/mathematics/query/113968/…
 
8:47 PM
@MJD Yes it is secret, though the ballots themselves are public it is not known who cast which one
 
MJD
What I mean is whether the running total will be secret in the general election, or whether it will be exposed as it is in the primary. Common practice in non-stackexchange elections is not to announce partial totals where possible.
 
@MJD If you read the red side-bar text here then you see that the "vote tallies are private" and also that you have three votes.
 
@MJD The STV election file is downloadable after the election
 
MJD
So if the election operators think it's desirable to keep the tallies secret in the general election, why are they public in the primary phase?
One possible answer is that there is some subtle matter I do not appreciate. Another is that the se people who plan the elections are silly billies.
 
@MJD The primary uses the voting mechanics of the main site, the actual election uses STV. I don't think there is much reason for the primary to be public except that it just reuses the common vote mechanics
 
8:54 PM
@MJD I don't know. I was actually surprised by this.
 
9:10 PM
seems like i would survive the preliminaries but not more
 
Let's see, the primary has just started and the voting system is quite different in the election. In my opinion, you deserve more votes.
 
MJD
The whole thing is so crazy that it's hard to know how to criticize it. Normally, one would start by supposing some reasonable goals of an election process and then argue that the actual process will not achieve those goals. But the existing process is so strange and jumbled that one can't take the first step of supposing its design goals.
 
@MJD Thanks for sharing your SQL knowledge; I have much to learn on that frontier. As for the primaries, I was at least relieved to see that the order of candidates is randomized every time the page is reloaded.
Apparently, one can vote either up or down on every candidate. I don't like that very much. I decided to vote exactly the same way as I will vote in the elections, and upvoted my top 3 choices. FWIW.
 
9:56 PM
@75064 just bear in mind that you're consciously choosing not to rank the rest of them. If you feel someone would do well and don't up-vote them - or inappropriate and don't down-vote them - then you're implicitly giving more weight to others' votes.
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It's your choice. But that goes for everyone else too.
@MJD the only goal here is to narrow down the field to 10 candidates. That's it. Other things may happen as side-effects of this process, but if we enter the main election phase with 10 candidates then that is enough.
 
@Shog9 What would happen if someone withdrew during the primary, lowering the number of candidates to 10?
 
I noticed that negative totals are shown as zero... expanding the vote number (is it for 1K users only?) shows that some nominees got more downvotes than upvotes.
 
@AlexBecker not much; they'd leave a stub there and wouldn't go through to the final phase.
 
Which makes me wonder: do negatively-voted candidates advance to the final round too, if they are in top 10? (It's not hard to be in top 10 out of 11.)
 
@Shog9 Ah, thanks.
 
10:05 PM
IIRC, the top 10 go through. I don't know that there's a negative rule in place.
The actual primary "scores" don't really matter as far as the final voting phase goes; you can win the primary and lose the election.
 

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