The 2nd Monitor

I am getting attacked. I have seen this happening quite a bit lately, but usually only in the comments though. How do we educate people on how this site works?

Hosch250

And Happy to Help is Too Chatty.

Mast

@Hosch250 I usually look at the date. More than 3 days and I consider it obsolete.

But Too Chatty should stick as well.

EBrown

@Mast That is exactly why you need n rep to do a lot on SE.

Mast

12:13 AM

@EBrown And there's still plenty of bull around.

Hosch250

Guess what grade I just got?

> 500.00 % (A)

EBrown

@Mast Well you have to allow people to start somewhere.

Hosch250

That is the best grade I've ever gotten.

Mast

@EBrown Kindergarten comes to mind, instead of SE

EBrown

@Mast I meant rep wise.

Mast

12:14 AM

@Hosch250 500%? What scale does that follow?

I'd assume 100% is perfect

Hosch250

I don't know. 100% is perfect.

I guess I'm perfection 5 times over ;)

TTGES (Time To Go Eat Supper).

rolfl

Pimping:

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Q: Permalink to custom query parameter result

Currently, if you edit a query (which has parameters), and then run it, the SEDE tool allows you to click a "permalink": In the example above, the permalink is: https://data.stackexchange.com/codereview/query/361538/example-permalink?PTID=1 Note how the PTID parameter is included as part of t...

feature-request data-explorer

EBrown

Every time someone "pimps" here I always remember 50 cent's song...

rolfl

All I can say, is that there should be some form of kickback from creating good SEDE queries..... a badge, reputation or something!

This.... this is a thing of beauty

EBrown

@rolfl Personally I think anything that uses CURSOR is beautiful.

Phrancis

12:22 AM

@EBrown Shhhhhhh...

EBrown

@Phrancis Yeah, otherwise Mat might hear. D:

rolfl

@EBrown - FYI: This query

EBrown

@rolfl I'm not even certain what that is.

rolfl

That query reports the % of deleted posts for all sites on the exchange.... ;-)

EBrown

@rolfl I already have one to do that.

See: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/358351/…

rolfl

12:24 AM

Yup, but can you change the query in a parameter box?

EBrown

I don't need to. It queries all the sites at once.

That's how I found out Programmers has the highest rate of (probably) deleted questions out of all of them. Over 50%.

Anything with a NULL value in Score is deleted.

rolfl

cough ... I know that, but you're missing my point....

how long would it take now to report on the number of.... answers?

EBrown

@rolfl Apparently...lol

Phrancis

Hm, you're using sp_executesql @query - I normally use execute(@query) - Same thing?

EBrown

@rolfl No clue. Change the 1 everywhere to 0?

rolfl

12:26 AM

which site has the most Constituent badges.....

which site has the most users?

EBrown

@rolfl Don't really care. Lol

@rolfl Still don't care...lol

rolfl

What I'm saying, is that you can do that in seconds using the query/link I sent.

EBrown

Aha.

I am not really that concerned about that type of data, tbh.

I'm not a hardcore SE'er.

rolfl

Paste: select count(*) from [site]..Users in to the query box, and you win....

For what it's worth, you copied/pasted that query you have from one of mine, @EBrown ....

EBrown

@rolfl I know, I think Mast or Malachi gave me it.

From the badges one.

rolfl

12:28 AM

Site badge rankings....

EBrown

Yeah, I needed something quick (because I suck ____ at using CURSOR)

rolfl

This one: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/199310/…

Phrancis

Hm, what is [site] exactly? The catalog for all sites?

EBrown

Yeah, let me add it in a comment at the top.

rolfl

No, it is a substitution parameter.....

Phrancis

12:29 AM

Reminded me of tempdb..foo

EBrown

@rolfl Updated my query to include a link to that one.

rolfl

when the query runs it will replace [site] with [CodeReview.stackexchange], and [Programmers.stackexchange], etc.

@Phrancis That's essentially exactly what it is.

Duga

possible answer invalidation: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/104164/…

rolfl

yes, each "site" has a different database, and I put the database in before the table.

Phrancis

@Duga huh? new alert?

rolfl

12:31 AM

New alert, and accurate.

Jamal

@Duga Beat me to it. :-) Good work, Duga.

Phrancis

Ahhhh question code edits :)

rolfl

FWIW, I agree it's not trivial, I've been meaning to add it. — Tim Stone 6 mins ago

Yes!

Phrancis

Tim's SE staff right?

rolfl

Sort of. not quite....

He's a "blessed" independent operator.....

A moderator on stack apps, and does "consulting" on the SEDE side of things....

Tim Post is staff ;-)

Phrancis

12:35 AM

BTW.Python

Captain Obvious

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Q: Compressing .hover jQuey

I have 5 or 6 ID's and I need to compress .hover jQuery into smaller amounts. I tried the following answer: Combining hover functions but due to how he needed only 1 "group" inside the .hover function makes mine not work because I need a way to have 2 "group"'s inside the function. Look at my jQu...

jquery

Phrancis

Sooooo... design question from a newb...

Say I'm writing a script to do some utility stuff with text files on the file system... and I've extracted some things into classes that I felt belonged together

If while modifying my script to change the order in which some things are happening, I'm finding my classes' methods to not work and new method needing added in the classes; what design flaw is this a sign of?

Duga

possible answer invalidation: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/104164/…

Mast

@Duga Jamal got it

@Phrancis Do you want data in your classes or should the classes have actual methods?

Seems like you just want a storage container.

Phrancis

Well, I get a feeling that I over-extended some of my classes

Hosch250

12:47 AM

No, not feature creep, sounds like what happens with changes.

Phrancis

    @Debug(debug=False)
    def get_urls(self):
        """
        Reads each line of a file looking for patterns that match a URL.
        If a URL pattern is matched, the URL string is appended to the returned list.
        It applies filters for including and excluding specific strings from a URL.
        Filters can be empty lists, in which case they are ineffective.
            :return: list of URLs as strings
        """
        full_file_path = self.full_file_path
        filter_include = self.filter_include

Hosch250

Then, you need to refactor again, after so many changes...

Phrancis

That^ is one method among others in a class GetUrlsFromFile

Hosch250

Don't worry, adding new methods is extremely common.

And if you are adding more methods for more features, then you are probably doing the write thing.

Mast

@Phrancis I don't see a problem here.

Hosch250

12:49 AM

Just be sure to not duplicate code more than you need.

Mast

It's GetUrlsFromFile and url_list is returned. Sounds like it's according to design.

Phrancis

Ah. See I'm actually trying to add a method or two in there that lets me treat the source one line at a time, instead of a whole file... should I just make a new class instead of trying to shoehorn into this one?

Hosch250

Not necessarily.

If it is fundamentally another part of the same process, no

Mast

Sounds like it's a different implementation of the same task.

Phrancis

@Mast Yeah, I figured out that I need to add some non-related tasks to happen in-between reading and evaluating lines, so get_urls(self) does too much

Mat's Mug

12:51 AM

in The CRonicles, 1 min ago, by Mat's Mug

best-of-2015 best-title

@Phrancis ^^

Phrancis

?

Nothing to see there :o

Mat's Mug

in The CRonicles, 7 mins ago, by Mat's Mug

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Q: "ONCE", "UPON", "A", "TIME"

I'm working on a small program to perform various tasks on text content, primarily at the word level. I wrote these methods as ways to help prepare the raw text file into something more malleable, like a List<String>, where at a later point I can perform various routines such as counting and sort...

java strings array regex io

I think that title was excellent

Phrancis

Why thank you!

But, I don't really understand how this works...?

Legato

I've never posted a self bounty before, what's a good amount for this?

Hosch250

@Legato Dunno, 50-300?

Mat's Mug

12:54 AM

@Phrancis I'm dumping links in The CRonicles, so come year-end, we can search for best-of-2015 in there to find all noteworthy posts

Hosch250

If you do 50, you get a net gain of 10 rep on the question.

EBrown

@Mat'sMug I have something cool you may wish to see.

Phrancis

OHhHHHH I know, I think I'll extract some steps from the bigger method into smaller ones, then chain them back into the bigger one (so the small steps can also be called from outside)

Mat's Mug

@Hosch250 200 is always a winner

Ethan Bierlein

Evening

Hosch250

12:55 AM

@Mat'sMug Except on that one by rolfl - wasn't that 300 wasted?

Mat's Mug

shit happens

5

Hosch250

23

Q: Connect Four AI (Minimax) in Clojure

I wrote a Connect Four game including a AI in Clojure and since I'm rather new to Clojure, some review would be highly appreciated. It can include everything, coding style, simplifications, etc. But keep in mind the AI is not finished yet, other heuristics will be added in the near future. Curren...

beginner functional-programming lisp clojure ai

Mast

@Legato I put up one bounty so far, only 50. Was enough.

Phrancis

Wasted imaginary internet points eh :)

Mast

Your mileage may vary.

Hosch250

12:56 AM

I love debugging when the debug points aren't being hit.

Mast

@Hosch250 Doesn't that mean your points are in the wrong place?

Or simply not enough points?

Hosch250

LOL, no, it means (in this case) that I was missing an attribute.

I wish it had thrown an exception.

Mast

Ah.

Legato

I thought it'd be an interesting question.

Mast

@Legato Interesting questions don't necessarily gain good answers.

EBrown

12:59 AM

THIS IS AWESOME

Legato

Or any at all. :P

Mast

I've seen many good questions I can't answer.

@EBrown ORLY?

@Phrancis OH YES

@EBrown NO WAI!

12:59 AM

@Mat'sMug I am rolfl and I endorse that statement

2

Duga

Stackoverflow is for asking about problems with code you wrote, that you feel should work, but doesn't, and you've tried everything you could think of already. "How would you improve this code" is off topic and should be asked on codereview.stackexchange.com instead. — Mike 'Pomax' Kamermans 37 secs ago

Phrancis

@Hosch250 YA RLY!

EBrown

@Hosch250 SRSLY BRO

Hosch250

@rolfl LOL. I endorse the sentiment, not the phrasing.

@EBrown HUH?

rolfl

I try to make that happen about once a day.....

EBrown

1:00 AM

@Hosch250 HOLD ON I HAVE TO GET THIS CR QUESTION READY

THIS IS SO COOL

Alright, Caps Lock off now.

2

Phrancis

Let it out already dude @EBrown ;p

EBrown

@Phrancis ♪ I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. ♪

Mast

We noticed.

Phrancis

@EBrown ... ... no... you didn't... ***ARGH***

Hosch250

Fortunately, I don't know that song.

Mast

1:02 AM

This is a good moment to GTFO

Phrancis

@Hosch250 You do, you just don't remember that you do (and you're all the better for it)

Hosch250

I don't even know who Gloria Gaynor is.

Phrancis

That was wrong. That was a different horribly catchy annoying song

EBrown

@Hosch250 I'm so sad now.

Hosch250

@Phrancis This is the perfect moment to create the puke smiley room.

EBrown

1:03 AM

You broke my heart @Hosch250.

Phrancis

Alright, back to Python then

Hosch250

@EBrown Serve you right, if you have that sensitive of one.

Quill

monking

Hosch250

@Legato What in the world?

Why did you just close that zombie of yours?

EBrown

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Q: Console Repetitive Prompt

So I wrote this for my Mandelbrot Generator, to collect and use input from the user, and I made it dynamic enough to be useful anywhere. I'm really interested in all critiques of it, as I'm going to be using it a lot now. The idea is to allow the user to easily show messages on the console, tha...

c# validation console

That is what I got so excited about.

Hosch250

1:15 AM

Boy, is that ugly.

You definitely need a review.

EBrown

You are more than welcome to submit one. ;)

Hosch250

@EBrown Can you show the class structure too?

Ethan Bierlein

What does the $ before strings mean?

EBrown

@EthanBierlein String interpolation.

It means anything between {} is interpolated. Basically, $"{5}" is the same as string.Format("{0}", 5).

Ethan Bierlein

Yeah, I figured that out when I saw {Environment.ProcessorCount} in the string.

EBrown

1:16 AM

@Hosch250 What class structure?

Hosch250

What class are those methods in?

EBrown

@Hosch250 class Program

The main root class.

Hosch250

Where is T coming from?

EBrown

They are static, so they can be dropped anywhere.

It's a generic type parameter.

Hosch250

Don't you have to use Program<T> to use that?

EBrown

1:17 AM

@Hosch250 No, that's why <T> is declared on the method.

Ethan Bierlein

^^

Hosch250

Oh, OK.

EBrown

static T Prompt<T>

That means, that T is only local to the Prompt method.

Generic type parameters can be used on class or method declarations.

Hosch250

I didn't know you could specify T on a method only like that.

EBrown

Yeah, it makes it really handy.

Ethan Bierlein

1:18 AM

@EBrown lol, I was about to say that.

Hosch250

I thought you had to pass it in with class<T> to be able to use it on methods.

EBrown

The where T : struct also means that T has to be a value type.

@Hosch250 Nah. :)

Hosch250

@EBrown Yeah, I know that.

EBrown

@Hosch250 Ah, alright. :)

Captain Obvious

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Q: Console Repetitive Prompt

So I wrote this for my Mandelbrot Generator, to collect and use input from the user, and I made it dynamic enough to be useful anywhere. I'm really interested in all critiques of it, as I'm going to be using it a lot now. The idea is to allow the user to easily show messages on the console, tha...

c# validation console

EBrown

1:20 AM

Man, this is one of the handiest things I've written by far.

Quill

-_-

Really, @EBrown

3

Q: A completely repetitive console prompt, a completely repetitive console prompt

So I wrote this for my Mandelbrot Generator, to collect and use input from the user, and I made it dynamic enough to be useful anywhere. I'm really interested in all critiques of it, as I'm going to be using it a lot now. The idea is to allow the user to easily show messages on the console, tha...

c# validation console

EBrown

@Quill Yessir.

I'm laughing so hard I'm almost crying right now.

That one was just for you, @Quill. ;)

(And @Jamal of course)

Hosch250

@EBrown I'm writing an answer. Can you check something for me quick?

EBrown

@Hosch250 Sure thing.

Hosch250

What happens when you change (T)(object)result; to (T)result;?

EBrown

1:27 AM

Failure to compile.

(I already tried it.)

"Cannot convert type '____' to 'T'"

Phrancis

type '____' wtf

Hosch250

Hmm.

EBrown

@Phrancis Replace '____' with the name of the source type.

Quill

@Phrancis it makes you give a face like that

EBrown

            short result = 0;
            pass = short.TryParse(line, out result);
            resultValue = (T)result;

That errors as "Cannot convert type 'short' to 'T'".

Phrancis

1:29 AM

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Quill

the query strings, oh the horror

Duga

possible answer invalidation: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/17758/…

Quill

@Duga nope, all good

EBrown

Man, this is so neat.

Quill

> If anyone can have a look - I know it's not a story of 5 minutes... - you could save me from depression :)

ಠ_ಠ

Mat's Mug

1:36 AM

@God Thank you for your kind words. — Alex 34 mins ago

reads funny

EBrown

@Mat'sMug You might like this question. It has a bad use of generics. ;)

Mat's Mug

I'm reading it

why isn't requireValue a bool requireValue = true?

EBrown

@Mat'sMug Well, actually...I'm not really sure that or defaultValue should be optional.

I feel like there should be two separate methods for that.

Mat's Mug

method overloading == optional parameters

but you're right. optional parameters have this "VB" feel.

EBrown

Well the problem I have with it is that if there's no defaultValue specified, then by nature, requireValue should be true.

Likewise if requireValue is false, then defaultValue should have something.

Mat's Mug

1:41 AM

so.. you validate your args and throw new ArgumentException when they're invalid?

EBrown

Well, that's not necessarily true either.

Pay attention to the where clause on T.

Hosch250

There you go, downvote away.

EBrown

@Hosch250 I don't really downvote. ;)

Hosch250

Did you even read it?

Somebody upvoted it within seconds.

EBrown

@Hosch250 Yeah, I'm a quick reader.

Well, I upvote first, then if I don't like it, I downvote afterwards.

Hosch250

1:42 AM

So am I, but not that fast.

EBrown

(It's a bad habit, I know, but it has saved me a lot of time.)

Hosch250

@EBrown Next time, I'll write it so long that the upvote gets locked in.

EBrown

@Hosch250 You would have to far exceed the maximum character count for that to happen. ;)

Plus I've gotten really good at skimming for good content.

Mat's Mug

@EBrown bad habit, especially for long answers. Your vote might lock-in before you finish reading!

EBrown

@Mat'sMug Hasn't happened yet! :)

Hosch250

1:44 AM

@Mat'sMug I do that for your answers.

But, if you turn crook, it will be easy to edit it so I can DV.

EBrown

@Hosch250 This as well! I have insta-edit, so I can just edit something then DV as needed if it locks in. ;)

Duga

possible answer invalidation: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/24114/…

Hosch250

My favorite nugget in the answer is the last point.

EBrown

@Hosch250 I actually thought about that as I was writing it.

I might still do it.

Hosch250

If all you do using generics is introduce a zillion if blocks, then don't use it.

Mast

1:48 AM

@EBrown That's fixing a bad habit with another bad habit.

Hosch250

@Mat'sMug Go handle your obsolete comment.

Ethan Bierlein

@Duga no

Mat's Mug

@Duga if you said code block edited instead, you couldn't be wrong.

Duga

This may be a question for Code Review. codereview.stackexchange.com — God is good 37 secs ago

Hosch250

Let's see what happens when @Jamal gets to work.

EBrown

1:50 AM

@Mast It's actually fixing a bad habit with a worse habit...lol

Duga

possible answer invalidation: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/82441/…

Ethan Bierlein

@Duga nope

EBrown

@Hosch250 It's @EthanBierlein not Jamal.

Duga

possible answer invalidation: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/21237/…

Mat's Mug

@EthanBierlein edit-spree?

Hosch250

1:51 AM

Looks like adding url-routing spree to me.

Ethan Bierlein

@Mat'sMug Yup. I'm adding url-routing to the ~20 questions that could use it.

Duga

@Godisgood Please don't review broken code to Code Review. We only review implemented, working code there. — Hosch250 52 secs ago

Jamal

@Duga False alarm (again).

Mat's Mug

2 mins ago, by Mat's Mug

@Duga if you said code block edited instead, you couldn't be wrong.

oh wait, it's not looking at code block edits, is it?

EBrown

@Hosch250 The problem is that I'd almost rather have all these if statements, as opposed to a bunch of method's with few to no lines in them. I guess I still have to make the final decision on that.

Hosch250

1:53 AM

@EBrown If they have no lines, then don't make them.

EBrown

@Mat'sMug I wonder if @Duga should only consider edits made by the OP for answer invalidating?

Mat's Mug

^^ that too

EBrown

Hmmm...I wonder if I can change this code from struct's only to allow classes as well.

Hosch250

@EBrown Probably.

EBrown

@Hosch250 Not looking like it.

Hosch250

1:58 AM

You would have to adjust it, anyway.

EBrown

The reason it works for struct types is because of:

        if (type == typeof(short))
        {
            short result = 0;
            pass = short.TryParse(line, out result);
            resultValue = (T)(object)result;
        }

Which I cannot really use for class types.

Captain Obvious

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Q: Implementing the basic elements of functional programming with C++ templates

With C++ templates, I've implemented a template list type with cons, reverse, merge, sort, filter, map, fold; and higher order template functions with currying. The C++ compiler can also work as an interpreter of a (convoluted) purely functional programming language, which is the C++ template met...

c++ functional-programming c++14 template-meta-programming

EBrown

Oh well, I'll worry of it tomorrow.

Tonight, I'm off to bed.

Hosch250

Maybe you could really use generics instead of ifs.

Night.

EBrown

@Hosch250 How so?

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