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5:00 PM

Yes. I know this. That is more of a 'code review thing' please provide any input on the problem if you can. — YourConscious 15 secs ago

user41796

But what separates those questions from the implementation questions and from the "yeah, way too broad" questions isn't always as clear

Heslacher

IMO its one of the hardest to grasp scopes on SE. Nevertheless the sites name can be misleading too.

user41796

Yeah, that's history outside of that community's control.

Heslacher

Sorry, need to leave now to get some of my work done ;-)

user41796

In hindsight, I wonder if SE should have simply shut down the original version of Programmers (aka Not Programming Related) and started fresh with a brand new site. Would have made cleanup a lot easier.

enderland

5:08 PM

@GlenH7 yes

Mat's Mug

@all this is a healthy debate to have, and meta is the right place to have it. Please keep it civilized. — Mat's Mug ♦ 31 secs ago

EBrown

@Mat'sMug No, it's not. It was made uncivil, and I'm rather offended at that.

Captain Obvious

Q: Code that allows for function redirection

I'm making a challenge for my upcoming challenge on PPCG. The key part of this challenge is supposed ability to overwrite functions that other people have written. For example, CodeBot A has a function sendMessage() which returns a message to send. If CodeBot A were to overwrite CodeBot B's ...

Mat's Mug

5:24 PM

FWIW my meta answer attempts (eh, and fails) to be devil's advocate there - I think Barry has a point with it being too broad, and ideally this meta discussion would end up setting a clear guideline for "what is considered too broad" on this site, which is a great contribution to CR's Big Picture.

EBrown

This won't set a clear guideline on anything. It's politics at it's finest.

We should only be closing questions that are harmful to the community.

How is this question harmful?

(Trick question, it's not!)

Zak

One 40-minute commute later and this debate is still raging?

enderland

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

Phrancis

lol^that

Zak

Would I be correct in thinking there's a bunch of comments that I missed and have since been removed?

EBrown

5:31 PM

@Zak Only one was removed (the one that was flagged).

Zak

Well at least that's something.

I feel like I've said my piece. About the only thing I might add is that if your style of question deserves to be closed, then so do about 5,000 other CR questions.

EBrown

I think this is what we're all missing:

@Barry Why are you hell-bent on closing this as off-topic? What damage does it do? You shouldn't be closing questions as off-topic because there's "a better way", you should be closing questions as off-topic because they are harmful to the community. — EBrown 11 mins ago

Captain Obvious

5:44 PM

Q: Node.js module architecture for third party API

(If my questions below code seems too broad for coderewiew, please feel free to downvote this topic) I'm writing a node.js module that is basically a wrapper for some API functions of third party company I tried to make it flexible and easy to fill with api functions from documentation and came...

javascript node.js api

EBrown

@Mat'sMug I don't want it moved to chat. It's significantly harder to find in chat.

Mat's Mug

I don't want 50 comments under an answer. chat isn't hard to find, there's a link right there..

TopinFrassi

EBrown

You know, this isn't the first time I've been singled out, and I'm sure it won't be the last. It just seems to add undue stress to me.

user41796

@EBrown Are you referring to the meta question or the one on main?

Barry

5:51 PM

Dude. It wasn't personal at ALL. Stop taking it so aggressively like I'm personally singling you out. You asked a question that I felt was too broad that needed to split into multiple questions. That's it. Sum total.

EBrown

@GlenH7 Both.

@Barry Oh really?

user41796

@Barry watch your language please

Marc-Andre

I want to remind everyone that taking things personal is not a way to discuss issue that affect Code Review. Code Review has a scope that can be difficult to deal with so please remind yourself that community is not just you and your opinion. Sometime the majority will think differently than you but take this as decision for the community. We had multiple discussion like that ( question A vs B) (example code) and even if you think it's a bad decision it will still be a community decision.

user41796

@EBrown moving the comments to chat is fairly standard for lengthy comment threads. I don't see that you're being singled out in that case.

EBrown

@GlenH7 That's not what I'm referring to.

TopinFrassi

5:52 PM

@Marc-Andre That. Is. Exactly. It.

user41796

@Barry - I have invalidated the flags on that one comment and deleted the comment. I won't invalidate future flags. Please watch your tone.

EBrown

So what about this question, then?

Q: Standard Methods in VBA

Since I learnt about refactoring, I've been busy creating my own Module of Standard Methods. I feel it's about time they got a review of their own. Open to all aspects of advice but particularly interested in: Method Naming: Are they completely unambiguous about what the method does/returns? U...

vba excel

Is that "too broad"? I expect you'll say yes.

Because if not, it should be.

user136984

Oh... Not more flags!

user41796

@EBrown ok. Regarding site scope and your question on main - that's out of my purview. All I can offer is a objective perspective

user136984

What's going on now?

EBrown

5:54 PM

@GlenH7 There's been a pattern here, it seems like a lot of our regulars like to assume "the worst" about anything.

user41796

@EBrown And if you go look at my Programmers profile, you probably don't want to ask me about whether or not questions should be closed. I lead that community for most number of close vote queue reviews. :-D

Barry

@EBrown Yes, that is extremely broad. And it barely even got an answer.

EBrown

So where were the "too broad" police then?

You VTC'd it after it had a well-accepted answer.

That, in my opinion, is a personal insult.

Simon Forsberg

Moderator Recommendation: Step back, calm down, breathe.

EBrown

To myself, and @holroy.

Barry

5:55 PM

Well I didn't see it until you linked it to me.

EBrown

You've done active harm to the question now.

SuperBiasedMan

@EBrown That does also seem too broad to me, there's a ton of questions in there. I just never saw it before though.

Barry

It's a bad question that got a mediocre answer. And again, this is Not. About. You.

TopinFrassi

@EBrown So, you think Barry VTC the question because you posted it??

EBrown

@TopinFrassi I didn't say that, but to VTC a question (which already had a good answer) is an insult to all involved.

If the answer were less substantial, it would not be so.

Zak

5:57 PM

@SuperBiasedMan And yet, if I used all those functions in a much larger piece of code, you wouldn't say that the much larger, much broader piece of code was Off-Topic?

Because I can point you to those questions too.

Simon Forsberg

@EBrown then I might have insulted both @RubberDuck and @Zak. Question hammered as too broad.

SuperBiasedMan

Off topic questions can still get answers. Being closed doesn't mean the question is bad or the answers are bad, just that it might not be best for the site.

TopinFrassi

@EBrown A VTC isn't an insult to anyone. You have an habit to take what's happening on this site way too personally. You gotta step back a little

Barry

Why is VTC-ing considered an insult?