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12:01 AM
@sammygerbil ok. So the restoring force decreases by kx
 
12:15 AM
@sammygerbil the upper mass feels a force of mg and force of m2g-kx... Will this be, reatoring force of the upper mass
 
I think you are focussing too much on unnecessary details now.
 
I suppose I am... Two block system is kinda difficult for me right now
I just have one doubt. ... The restoring forces felt by blocks m1 and m2.... Are they sane or different
 
12:36 AM
@sammygerbil I had actually misinterpreted the end part of the question which asked to multiply the result by 5 and I had spent hours trying to get 365,thank you Sir.
 
@harambe What do you think? Are they the same?
 
12:55 AM
@sammygerbil when you're free could I ask you a conceptual doubt about longitudinal wave reflection?
 
1:13 AM
A cylindrical tube, open at one end and closed at the other, is in acoustic unison (resonance) with an external source of sound of single frequency held at the open end of the tube, in its fundamental note. Then the displacement wave from the source gets reflected with a phase change of pi at the closed end. Why is this so? If the pressure wave gets reflected without a phase change why will the displacement wave which has a constant phase difference of pi to it get reflected?
 
 
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5:08 AM
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5:41 AM
@JohnRennie Are you there
 
@Abcd hi
 
@JohnRennie First there used to be an option there which read "Send or receive files via blutetooth" (for uploading question)
But its not there now
 
Does the phone have to be connected for the link to appear?
At the moment it shows your phone isn't connected
 
@JohnRennie Not really
@JohnRennie Please check if it works fine in your laptop
Type "bluetooth" in the search bar which reads "Type here to search"
 
I was just looking, and yes that link does appear here.
 
5:55 AM
Hello @JohnRennie ...free?
 
It looks to me as if your Bluetooth is turned off on the laptop.
That's what it looks like here. I note that you don't even have the switch to turn Bluetooth on or off.
 
@JohnRennie There's no option to turn it on
 
Press Windows-R and run the command devmgmt.msc
That should open the Windows device manager
 
then?
 
Do you have a Bluetooth heading?
 
6:00 AM
Yes, done . Now its working! Thanks.
Some qualcom thing was disabled
 
@JohnRennie ??
 
@NehalSamee give me a moment. I've just got something to do at work ...
@NehalSamee OK, I'm free now
 
What will happen if light hits from other direction?
Focal length still must be positive?
But its getting negative
 
Sign conventions in optics are a somewhat vexed issue. People frequently just ignore them or use them inconsistently.
In particular the lensmaker's equation plays a bit fast and loose with the sign conventions
 
6:15 AM
@JohnRennie What should I do?
 
@NehalSamee not sure to be honest, but it should normally be obvious if the lens is converging or diverging i.e. whether you should take the focal length as positive or negative.
@NehalSamee Oh wait, no, the equation does work.
If you flip the lens round then the values of $R_1$ and $R_2$ change signs, but they also change places. Remember that $R_1$ is defined as the radius of the surface the light hits first.
So in the question we have $R_1 = +20$ and $R_2=+60$
If you flip the lens round we have $R_1=-60$ and $R_2=-20$ so the equation still gives the same value for $f$.
 
6:36 AM
@JohnRennie silly me...
 
@NehalSamee not silly at all! Even I find optics sign conventions confusing :-)
 
 
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8:06 AM
@JohnRennie good morning
 
@harambe morning :-)
 
8:36 AM
@harambe Two Blocks on a Spring : Up to a limit the acceleration of both blocks is the same. The limit is that the maximum downward acceleration for the upper block is $g$, assuming it is not stuck to the lower block. The upward acceleration is not limited. The restoring force is not the same : when 2 blocks accelerate together, the resultant force on each is proportional its mass.
 
8:56 AM
@sammygerbil good morning
 
good morning harambe.
 
Yeah I thought so. When they move together they should move as a system..... It was a silly doubt from me
 
There is plenty of scope for confusion, because the restoring force is a combination of gravity force, contact force and spring force.
I thought you were being pendantic. However I guess you were trying to work out when the upper mass loses contact with the lower. You can think of the two masses as one, until the SHM downward acceleration becomes greater than $g$.
 
Okay. Got it!
 
 
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10:39 AM
@harambe Well, if you substitute $t=0$ into the equation $x = A\sin\omega t$ what do you get?
 
x=0
 
And does that the initial conditions you are given?
Oh wait, you were asking about the direction of motion i.e. the velocity ...
 
Yeah
 
To get velocity you differentiate the equation
 
@JohnRennie done
 
10:47 AM
@harambe the most general form of SHM is to write:
$$ x(t) = A \sin(\omega t + \phi) $$
or:
$$ x(t) = A \sin\omega t + B\cos\omega t $$
The two forms are equivalent as you can show using trig identities.
 
I can see it
 
To work out the constants $A$ and $\phi$, or in the second case $A$ and $B$, you need to know the initial conditions. For example you could use the position and velocity at time $t=0$.
Though in most questions the examiner won't be so mean as to give you silly initial conditions. Typically the time zero will be taken as when $x=0$ or when $x$ is a maximum or minimum.
In this case we know $x=0$ when $t=0$ so if we're using the first form we know $\phi=0$ and we just need to find $A$.
To do this differentiate to get:
$$ v(t) = A\omega\cos\omega t $$
And putting $t=0$ gives us $v(0) = A\omega$
So if $v$ is negative at time zero that means the constant $A$ must be negative at time zero.
 
Okay
 
@Hema Reflection of Sound Waves : There is no phase change on reflection at the closed end, but there is at the open end. Pressure and displacement differ by 90 degrees, not 180. See hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Sound/reflec.html. ... I'm not quite sure what you mean. If still confused please post again.
 
Got it.
@JohnRennie that would mean the particle is at the left amplitude right?
 
11:00 AM
You need to choose a sign convention. If you decide that positive is to the right, then motion to the left means the velocity is negative.
 
@JohnRennie Are you there for 2 minute concept question?
 
@Abcd hi
Yes, I'm free at the moment
 
@JohnRennie Like a lens forms an image. Why can't that image be another object for the same lens?
 
It kind of can ...
 
So why do we never consider that?
 
11:04 AM
Any optical diagram is reversible. If you take some arrangement of lenses with light moving from left to right then the diagram is exactly the same if we reverse the direction of the light so it moves right to left.
When you do this you swap the object and the image round.
 
@JohnRennie So you mean the image's image will be the object?
 
Yes
 
Okay.
 
Still not working?
 
Wrong pic
 
11:06 AM
Aha, you've got Windows 10 installed?
 
@JohnRennie I have changed the time zone and everything but it just won't show the right time! It's 5 40 pm right now.
@JohnRennie yes
 
With the download from the MS site? Or did you get a copy of Win10 somewhere else?
 
Download
 
Cool. It's massively useful being able to just grab the installer from MS.
 
Yes
 
11:08 AM
@JohnRennie got it.
 
2 mins ago, by Abcd
@JohnRennie I have changed the time zone and everything but it just won't show the right time! It's 5 40 pm right now.
4:40*
 
I can have a look if you want to install team viewer. Obviously there's a time setting wrong somewhere.
 
Okay let me install
 
and click the "free for personal use" link
 
@JohnRennie Please keep your TV open.
 
11:14 AM
TV is giving me a connection failed error ...
Ah got it.
 
Okay
 
That looks fine. The time zone is correct
That looks OK now. I think the clock in the laptop was just wrong.
You can use the command time hh:mm:ss to change the time
 
@JohnRennie Its not 16:16 right npw
 
17:16 (well 17:18 right now?)
If you enable the time service that should keep the time correct. Would you like me to do that?
 
@JohnRennie How to enable? Please tell through chat
 
11:20 AM
You need the Services app.
 
@JohnRennie Done it works now.
 
Cool :-)
 
I just had to disable the time zone
then re-enable it.
 
@JohnRennie I am solving a question but still confused. The question says that one of the particles is located at right extreme, the other particle is at mean position and moving left
 
OK ... ?
 
11:31 AM
I am told to find the time after which both larticles will have same displacement from equilibrium position
The two particles have same Amplitude and time period T
 
OK ... ?
 
I got the equations to be x=-Asinwt for the particle at mean position and moving left but how should I calculate for the right extreme
The velocity is zero at extreme position so velocity equations doesn't tell anything
 
Remember I said that the general solution is $x(t) = A\sin\omega t + B\cos\omega t$
 
I need to calculate constants A and B subject to the conditions
 
Yes. And we know that for the second particle when $t=0$ we have $x= +A$ where $A$ is the amplitude of it's swing.
(I've confused things slightly by usign the symbol $A$ in my general solution - sorry)
Let's make the general solution $x(t) = a\sin\omega t + b\cos\omega t$ to keep the symbols different.
 
11:39 AM
Okay. I get it but I must admit the sign convention is giving me more trouble than optics here
 
Really?
 
Yeah
I am not having much difficulty there.... Idk why xd
 
That surprises me. The sign convention here is really simple. One direction is positive and the other negative. Sign conventions in optics confuse the hell out of me :-)
 
Lol. To each their own XD
 
@JohnRennie Please provide a hint for this.
 
11:51 AM
The optical thickness of the glass plate is $nd$ where $d$ is the thickness of the glass.
Without the plate the image is at $v=30$ cm.
 
Yes
but now with the slab it should be v<30
But unable to find that distance
 
So the light ray leaves the lens and travels 30cm in the air
 
@JohnRennie What is slab is placed at distance < 30 cm
 
Now put the plate in. Suppose the light ray travels a distance $d$ through the plate and a distance $x$ through the air. The the total optical length is $L = nd + x$
 
What is optical length?
 
11:55 AM
And the total optical length remains unchanged so $L=30$ cm.
The optical length is the length measured by the number of wavelengths
 
We havent been taught that.
This is geometrical/ray optics not wave optics ....
 
The point is that in the glass slab the wavelength reduces to $\lambda/n$ so in effect the light travels more than 1cm when it passes through a 1cm glass plate.
 
Okay, so now I see why I was unable to do this question. Its a question from wave optics which we havent been taught yet.
So I ll attempt it after finishing wave optics.
 
It's actually really simple, because we get $30 = n + x$. You know $n$, so that gives you $x$. Then $x + 1cm$ is the distance from the lens.
29.5 cm
I have to go now. Back later or tomorrow morning.
 
What exactly do people find so confusing about optics sign conventions? At least when it comes to distances, I find it pretty clear. Everything whose sense coincides with the sense of light propagation is positive and negative otherwise, no?
To be clear, I'm not saying I like (geometrical) optics. In fact I find it rather boring since it's mostly arithmetic and geometry.
 
12:12 PM
@sammygerbil the pressure wave reflects off the closed end with zero phase difference. Since sound can be expressed either as a pressure or as a displacement wave, where the pressure maxima correspond to displacement minima and vice versa, doesn't this mean that the displacement wave also reflects off with zero phase difference? But my book says it reflects off with pi phase difference.
 
 
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2:11 PM
@sammygerbil would you mind looking at my two tiny problems?
 
@NehalSamee ok
 
@sammygerbil (1) ... A mass is hanged below a cube. I have it's length and Poisson's ratio. Ive to find bulk modulus . How?
How can I use $\frac{\Delta r}{r}$ ?
Anyone?
 
@NehalSamee I presume you are told the extension, so you can calculate Young's Modulus $E$. This is related to bulk modulus $K$ via $E=3K(1-2\nu)$. See conversion table at the bottom of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_modulus.
 
2:37 PM
@Hema There is an explanation in the following question :
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Q: Why there is a $180^{\circ}$ phase shift for a transverse wave and no phase shift for a longitudinal waves upon reflection from a rigid wall?

AmuWhy is it that when a transverse wave is reflected from a 'rigid' surface, it undergoes a phase change of $\pi$ radians, whereas when a longitudinal wave is reflected from a rigid surface, it does not show any change of phase? For example, if a wave pulse in the form of a crest is sent down a str...

The hyperphysics website gives a partial explanation in the section "Pressure Zone" :
So your book is correct. There is no phase change for the pressure wave, but a 180 phase change for the particle displacement wave.
 
3:08 PM
@JohnRennie Are you th
@JohnRennie Are you there?
 
@Abcd hi
 
@JohnRennie I have forgotten the block falling on spring stuck to ground type SHM. Please could you give a mathematical view of it?
Mass falls from height h on the spring and sticks to it.
 
Once the mass has stuck to the spring we just have the usual SHM with $\omega^2 = k/m$. OK so far?
 
@JohnRennie How?
 
In any SHM system with a force constant $k$ and a mass $m$ the angular frequency is $\sqrt{k/m}$.
 
3:16 PM
@JohnRennie Hmm then?
 
So we know the angular frequency, but we don't know the amplitude.
 
yes
 
You can get get the amplitude using conservation of energy.
 
@JohnRennie How to decide the mean position??
 
If the total energy is $E$ then the maximum amplitude is when all the energy is potential energy i.e. when $E = \tfrac{1}{2}kx^2$
@Abcd The mean position is where the net force on the mass is zero.
:46634995 Oops :-)
 
3:19 PM
@JohnRennie Okay this was my problem. Like the block falls somewhere else and it executes SHM about some other mean position!?
 
@Abcd I'm not sure what that means ...
 
I felt that intuitively, the initial position of the spring, unstretched, should be the equilibrium position.
 
If we stick to the same block and the same spring then there is only one position where the net force on the block is zero.
i.e. when the deflection of the spring, $D$, from its unstretched length is given by $kD = mg$
 
@IceInkberry I didn't ignore your method, I am going to read it at night. Please dont think I ignored it. I was busy with some other questions so didn't get time.
 
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@Abcd No problem.
 
3:28 PM
@JohnRennie Never mind. I understood.
 
@Abcd cool :-)
 
Let's say spring's initial free end is $x=0$.

My conclusions are:
It will go down to $-x = \sqrt{\dfrac{2mgh}{k}}$ and rise up to: $+x= \sqrt{\dfrac{2mgh}{k}} - mg/k $
@JohnRennie Please verify^
 
I would take the mean position as $x=0$
 
@JohnRennie Actually I am doing an optics problem which has SHM involved in it. And the mean position I have chosen is pertinent to that.
2 mins ago, by Abcd
@JohnRennie Please verify^
 
Huh? What has SHM to do withoptics?
 
3:36 PM
@JohnRennie he has asked me the amplitude of the image
He has placed the concave mirror like a rainbow above the spring block system
 
I'd need to have a look at the question, but I've just eaten lunch and I'm currently relaxing so I'm not going to be doing any calculations right now.
 
4 mins ago, by Abcd
Let's say spring's initial free end is $x=0$.

My conclusions are:
It will go down to $-x = \sqrt{\dfrac{2mgh}{k}}$ and rise up to: $+x= \sqrt{\dfrac{2mgh}{k}} - mg/k $
@JohnRennie Okay, never mind.
@sammygerbil Can you please see the above part^? Is it correct or not?
 
@Abcd Sorry I don't want to check your calculation step by step. When you get to the end, if your result doesn't make sense and you cannot find why, please ask me then. Haven't you discussed this problem with John Rennie a few days ago? Have you referred back to what you did then?
 
@Abcd suppose it goes down a distance x, the the mass has fallen a total distance of $h+x$ so the PE change is $mg(h+x)$. This must equal the PE of the spring so $\frac{1}{2}kx^2 = mg(h+x)$
 
3:55 PM
@sammygerbil I just wanted to tell you I understood the concept perfectly now,thank you so much for helping me.
 
@Hema In that case you probably understand it better than I do!
 
@sammygerbil Okay sorry nevermind. I haven't discussed SHM with JohnRennie since almost 1 year ! (Except 2-3 sine waves problems 2 months ago). (I think you confused harambe for me)
@JohnRennie Okay thanks!
 
4:14 PM
For the upwards journey: the mass hits the top of the spring with KE of $mgh$, then it goes down, rebounds and comes back to the same point with equal and opposite velocity, so on the upward leg its KE is also $mgh$.
It moves up some distance $x$ so the spring PE is $\tfrac{1}{2}kx^2$ and the gravitational PE is $mgx$. At the topmost point the KE is zero, so we get:
$$ \tfrac{1}{2}kx^2 + mgx = mgh $$
 
4:35 PM
@sammygerbil I used it... However I'm dubious whether it depends on mass and length (cause those are given too)
 
@NehalSamee I am not sure what you mean. Mass of the cube can be neglected if much smaller than the load, which is used to calculate stress. Length is used to calculate stress. Stress and strain are used to calculate Young's Modulus.
 
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7:43 PM
Hey people, I need a double-check here. Just tell me the result you arrive at, I get a different answer from the one in my textbook, which is quite weird since my friend and I have results that match: What is the minimum angle with a vertical wall that a ladder (or a block...) can make such that it does not slip, given $\mu_1=0.4$, the friction coefficient with the floor and $\mu_2=0.1$ with the wall?
 
@sammygerbil Are you free?
 
hello
 
Hi!
 
@sammygerbil Do you mind helping me with a concept?
 
I will try.
 
7:56 PM
 
For reference, regarding my question I get $\approx 40^\circ$, while in the textbook, $35^\circ$ is marked correct.
 
@sammygerbil How do I decide the direction of the electric component of EM wave from its magnetic component?
 
@Abcd The relative phase between the E and M components determines the polarization of the wave.
 
@sammygerbil Simpler terms please, haven't reached polarisation yet
@sammygerbil How to apply Lenz's law here?
 
Are you familiar with Lissajous' Figures eg on an oscilloscope?
 
8:03 PM
No :O
@sammygerbil Should I share my book's theory related to this part? So you can explain that? I am unable to understand some parts that the author has mentioned
 
Yes, that might make it easier.
 
@sammygerbil The difficulty I am facing is in picture 2. He says "the magnitude of magnetic component is decreasing for red"...but it appears to be increasing in the diagram.
I am unable to understand how he has applied Lenz's law to the sine loop.
 
@Abcd Ah I think what you need to know is that $E \times B$ lies in the direction of propagation. So you can use the Right Hand Corkscrew Rule to turn $E$ onto $B$, and screwing forward gives the direction of propagation. ...
 
@sammygerbil That's a trick to find it. but I am looking for the physics behind it.
1 min ago, by Abcd
@sammygerbil The difficulty I am facing is in picture 2. He says "the magnitude of magnetic component is decreasing for red"...but it appears to be increasing in the diagram.
 
Sorry our posts crossed. Which diagram is he referring to?
 
8:16 PM
@sammygerbil The diagram of picture 1.
See there's an unusual red spot in it along the sine of magnetic field
 
I think what he means is that as the wave profile moves right past that point, the magnetic field at that point decreases.
 
@sammygerbil How?
I mean how does it happen?
 
What is shown in the diagram is a representation of the wave at one instant in time. This whole wave pattern moves to the right. If you look at the point where the red segment is, and imagine the wave pattern moving right, the peak of the B wave moves further right, so the B field at this point decreases.
 
Oh I see. Now I understand how he applied Lenz's law. Thank you!
One more question.
 
8:24 PM
@sammygerbil How does the wave pattern move ahead with time?
 
I am tempted to say, in the same way as for a wave on water or on a string.
On a string there is a tension force between one segment of string and the next, so the motion of one segment affects the next.
I guess that in the same way there is tension or stress in the electromagnetic field, which enables the disturbance to be transmitted from one place to the next. But I don't understand this well myself.
Does that answer your question?
 
Could you elaborate upon "tension or stress" in EM field?
 
That is the part I understand the least about. If there were an ether to transmit EM waves, then it would be a lot easier to make the analogy with mechanical waves in water or on a string. But there isn't!
Maybe pressure waves in sound are an better analogy.
And you can also appeal to momentum : light waves have momentum which keeps them moving forward.
 
8:40 PM
After you finish what you're doing, can anybody take a quick look at this, please?
 
@Mr.Xcoder Yes sorry I will look at it now. Abcd's difficult question distracted me.
 
No neep to apologise, lol. Just reposting to make sure you're aware of it :)
In the meantime, I'll try to spot mistakes in my answer, but I doubt I'll find them :S
 
8:58 PM
@sammygerbil are you still here?
 
@sammygerbil can I ask more concept questions?
 
I solved it again slightly differently and I get the same answer :/ $$\alpha=\tan^{-1}\left(\dfrac{2\mu_1}{1-\mu_1\mu_2}\right)$$
 
@sammygerbil Why are wavefronts spherical for a point source??
@sammygerbil My book defines wave fronts as the imaginary surfaces over which the magnitude of electric field is same.
 
9:03 PM
@Mr.Xcoder Yes I get the same answer.
 
@sammygerbil Well then I guess the answer in my textbook is wrong. Thank you very much for your time, having a confirmation from someone with more experience feels good :D
 
@Abcd Sorry I don't understand your difficulty. Why do you think the book's explanation rules out spherical wavefronts?
 
@sammygerbil I cant think of the math in support of it.
How can we claim that electric field is same for sphere of same radius?
You might say symmetry, but there must be some better reason right??
 
Well yes I suppose so. But we usually accept such things because of what we see in nature, eg circular waves radiating outwards from a disturbance on a pond.
Can you think of any reason why it might not be spherical?
 
Okay not cylindrical
Let me think of better arguments.
 
9:16 PM
If the wave travelled faster in one direction than another (eg vertical vs horizontal) then we would get an ellipsoid. But we assume that space is isotropic (the same in all directions). Also homogeneous (the same properties in all places). So the symmetry argument is based on such assumptions.
 
Can you give more examples of wavefronts?
I dont understand this concept of wavefronts properly.
I need more examples for better understanding of it.
 
It is rather like the concept of electric field lines. They don't exist, they are just useful.
A wavefront just means all the points which have the same phase.
 
@sammygerbil phase as in?
 
Phase as in the position in the cycle of oscillation.
 
Suppose we have a wave $A\sin (\omega t)$. What will be its wavefront?
 
9:22 PM
To have a wavefront you must have a travelling wave. This is not an expression for a travelling wave. You need something like $A\sin(\omega t-kx)$.This expresses what happens at various positions with the times at which they happen.
 
Okay.
What will be its wavefront?
 
It doesn't have one wavefront, it has an infinite number.
For example, at one instant in time we pick a peak in the wave, then we follow the peak from place to place. That peak is the wavefront.
 
Sorry, let me frame my question in better way.
What will be the shape of its wavefront?
Will it be horizontal planes? But why?
 
But we could instead choose a trough, or a zero at which the wave is rising or falling.
The shape of the wavefront depends on the nature of the source.
For example, a point source in a pond generates circular wavefronts.
But if you had a very large wall which vibrated, it would generate wavefronts of sound which are planes parallel to the wall, moving away from the wall.
 
Could you please also explain Huygen's principle? I don't understand what it means.
 
9:30 PM
That is quite difficult, I think.
 
@sammygerbil Why are the pink lines representing wave fronts here??
 
The pink lines represent peaks in the EM field. This is a plane wave : the wavefronts are straight lines or planes.
 
But how?? How can we claim that they are peaks?
And all peaks are together in a straight line?
 
You can imagine them to be part of the spherical wavefronts in the previous diagram, very very far from the source.
 
@sammygerbil Does Plane wave mean something like $A\sin(kx - \omega t)$?
@sammygerbil that's nice!
 
9:39 PM
$A\sin(kx-\omega t)$ could represent a plane wave, yes. Because it changes in only one direction (x).
 
 
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11:07 PM
@sammygerbil you here sir?
 
In Q14, I am getting a haunch to solve this in CM frame?...... Is that right?
I don't think Conservation of momentum applies here either
There is gravity
Applying energy equation introduces a variable
So the only thing left is COM frame for me............
 
You have to apply conservation of momentum first to determine the outcome of the collision.
 
But there is gravity....?
 
That will give you the KE of the block with embedded bullet.
 
11:14 PM
Wait.... How do you know it is embedded
 
Then you can use conservation of energy (KE, gravity, elastic energy) to determine amplitude.
 
It's not given in the problem....?
@sammygerbil if the bullet gets embedded then that makes things easy. I thought the bullet doesn't so now it will become inelastic collision
 
Good question. The problem doesn't say what happens to the bullet. So we have to make a guess. Usually in such problems the bullet is embedded unless it is stated otherwise.
 
Okay I got it
But one thing I still don't understand... Is gravity an internal force in this system?
Is our system Block +Earth
 
It is possible the bullet bounces off elastically, or that it comes to a halt and then falls under gravity, or many other options.
It is usual to assume that the collision happens so quickly that gravity does not have time to act.
The force of gravity is usually much smaller than the impulsive forces involved in a collision.
 
11:20 PM
Oh I forgot impulse here...... Silly of me
 
So you ignore gravity during the collision, but you take account of it during subsequent motion.
 
Got it. I can do it now
 
That is a great question.Perfect for these type of problems
 

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