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7:44 AM
$$\nabla_X s = \pi_V(ds(X))$$
Probably the shortest definition of a connection I've seen
It's a lot more palatable than most
 
8:39 AM
@Semiclassical ...why is this being sold and not in a museum somewhere?
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8:53 AM
@ACuriousMind the money
 
you don't say :P
 
9:32 AM
Do scalar functions have a unique connection because there's only one choice of vertical space for a line bundle?
 
9:43 AM
Although I guess intuitively the splitting of say $\mathbb{R}^2$ into subspaces given the horizontal space should be at least parametrized by an angle
 
@Slereah what do you mean by a "connection of scalar functions"?
if you're thinking about a connection as a covariant derivative, then all covariant derivatives of scalar functions are just the gradient, no?
 
@ACuriousMind Well yes, that is what I mean
Like say I take the bundle $p_1 : \mathbb{R}^2 \to \mathbb{R}$
 
thing is, a "scalar function" is a section of the trivial line bundle $M\times\mathbb{R}$ and the Leibniz rule for your connection forces $\nabla (fs) = (\mathrm{d}f)s + f\nabla s$ for all scalar functions $f$ and all sections $s$
but since your sections are interchangably scalar functions, this means $d=\nabla$
 
The tangent bundle at a point of that is $\mathbb{R}^2$, and the horizontal space is a line
You can define a vertical subspace any number of ways
What does that angle correspond to
Or are they all equivalent
 
9:58 AM
it doesn't correspond to anything
first, there's no "angle" because there's no metric, and second the characteristic of the connection form is just that its kernel is the horizontal subspace
note that parallel transport is defined by the lift of curves being horizontal - it doesn't matter what exactly the vertical space is
 
Fair enough
 
or, well, it's a bit different actually: you're not choosing a vertical space
the vertical space is fixed by being parallel to the fibers
 
I tend to confuse the horizontal and vertical space
 
choosing the connection means choosing the horizontal space
but as I say above, for scalar functions this doesn't matter because they are interchangable with the sections in the Leibniz rule
it might matter for sections of non-trivial line bundles, I'm not sure
 
10:19 AM
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Q: Prove that the curvature of a connection on a line bundle is a global two form

sifsaFor a connection $\nabla$ on a line bundle, in a local trivialisation, the connection looks like a one form $\nabla s=ds + sa$ but this is not a proper one form cause it depnds on the choice of local trivialization. Why does the curvature $da$ not depend on the choice of local trivialization?? ...

Possibly what I am looking for
Closest I can find
 
@Slereah no, that's just the 1d case of the proof that curvature $F$ is well-defined as a global form on the whole manifold even though the gauge fields only exist in local trivializations
that the bundle is a line bundle is wholly irrelevant there
 
Well I am trying but I can't find much on the (real) line bundle :p
 
(but it shows that for non-trivial line bundles you can have non-trivial connections)
 
Usually people mention it in passing
Complex line bundle gets a little more love
"for a metric connection on a bundle isometric to the trivial line bundle, this is the only choice of 𝐷, because the metric uniquely determines the flat sections as those of constant norm."
Hm
I guess maybe you can get non-trivial connections if the connection isn't LC
I do vaguely recall that the exterior derivative changes if you have torsion
 
no, I think what you need to do is "forget" that the sections are scalar functions
and then you can have non-trivial connections, but you will no longer be able to switch between the idea of a "scalar function" and a section of the line bundle freely - the thing that swaps between the two essentially "fixes" a trivialization/horizontal choice in the line bundle
i.e. the answer to your question is: No, scalar functions can't have non-trivial connections, but line bundles can.
 
10:29 AM
I guess that if you lose the Leibniz property you lose the interpretation as a scalar function?
 
well, you keep the Leibniz property but you are not allowed to do my "you can interchange $f$ and $s$" argument
 
ah yes
Is that related to the densities you sometimes see
 
what densities?
densities in differential geometry are usually just differential forms where people omit the $\mathrm{d}x$ part :P
 
Weighed scalar functions in integrals and such
I vaguely remember them being a slightly fancy line bundle
 
you can think about stuff like determinant bundles
which are line bundles you get by the top exterior power of some vector bundle
of course, the "scalar functions" in these bundles will transform as dictated by the underlying vector space, not as a true scalar function would
people really just shouldn't call them "scalar" :P
 
10:33 AM
Well, do mathematicians even use the word "scalar"
 
I'm pretty sure geometers use "scalar" to mean invariants/functions $M\to\mathbb{R}$, yes
 
Usually I just see them say "real function" or whatever else
 
mathematicians aren't from another planet, they even call vector fields "vector fields"! :P
@Slereah sure, because in proper terminology all the other "real functions" are sections of line bundles and not just real-valued functions and hence there's no need for the additional word scalar as opposed to physics where you can have "real functions" that are pseudoscalars or whatever
but they'll understand what you mean by a scalar just fine :P
 
I dunno, once in a while I see a post on PSE that says "Hello I am a mathematician and what the hell is going on in physics textbooks"
 
well, geometers $\neq$ mathematicians
the "what the hell is going on here" is the reaction of someone who had a first course in diff. geo. and then tried to read a GR textbook while someone who has done diff. geo. for a decade will likely have encountered a lot of other sloppy notation and fuzzy arguments before
(over-generalization, of course, but "mathematician" is an even broader generalization so I don't feel very guilty about it :P)
 
10:41 AM
It is a mutual experience, to be fair
I still don't really know what K theory is
I am afraid to look
 
11:16 AM
God I hate libraries
We should all write all code from scratch
 
Ah, the eternal cycle: 1. "This library sucks, I'll just write it myself!" -> 2. "Ugh, this is hard, hasn't someone already done this?" -> goto 1
minor variations might replace "hard" with "tedious"
 
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I just want to change the color of a single point on a graph
Not asking for the moon
 
You plot two curves, one with the point missing and the other with just the single point.
 
anything to do with displaying stuff that's not just monospaced text is usually an eldritch abomination :P
 
11:30 AM
Then you can format the two curves with different markers.
 
but that's just because displaying stuff is surprisingly hard!
 
@JohnRennie I may have to do that really
 
I do it all the time in Excel :-)
 
ah, John with the typical "it's just a hack, we'll do it right later" solution that will be used for the next 20 years
 
But then I'll have to find a way to not make the second graph have a legend
Ah well
We'll see
 
11:31 AM
@ACuriousMind It's worked for the last 20 years!!
 
@JohnRennie I'm not saying you shouldn't do it! :D
 
I just had to do an awful hack because that library has updating issues
 
Longer in fact. I've been using Excel since around 1990.
 
Just make the program wait 50ms so that everything syncs up properly
 
How to get Excel to do what you want:
1. Pray
2. see (1)
 
11:33 AM
I have had my Excel jobs
 
I love Excel.
 
Apparently Microsoft isn't very good at Excel backward compatiblity
Also companies that work with Excel do not generally do so for good reasons
 
I've written large finite element analysis apps with Excel using VB and dlls to do the grunt work.
 
I've dealt with billion dollar companies whose entire project management method was a gigantic excel script written by an army of interns and people who do not know how to program
I've never seen any code take so long to do so little
 
@Slereah they have a very good reason: "We don't have anything better that the people who are supposed to use it could actually use"
 
11:35 AM
The solution is "hire one single guy"
but apparently they'd rather wait the 5 minutes this monstrosity takes to update the project each time than hire one guy
 
...what is that single guy supposed to do?
 
That single guy was me
I think after 20 years or so they get a bit embarrassed by not having an online app for that
 
but what did you do? program a bespoke app for the company and taught everyone to use that instead of Excel?
 
Damn right I did
What a nightmare
 
...I'm impressed that even remotely worked
 
11:38 AM
They basically wanted the app to be a series of giant Excel table
Have you ever tried to code an Excel table in HTML
 
my usual experience with the management types that use Excel is that trying to teach them to use anything else is an exercise in frustration
@Slereah dear lord
 
Well that is why the app had to be Excel looking, I guess
A bunch of dropboxes in a big table
 
Now I'm beginning to feel horrified :P
but whatever works, I guess
 
Also the main table was so gigantic that there was no hope to display it on a page so I had to make up a few systems to collapse various parts of it
I also didn't have much of a clue as to what the table contained so that didn't help much
 
On the other hand when National Nuclear Labs wanted a button putting in a silly place to export a silly CSV file that will never be used I said "Of course, that's half a day's work" :-)
 
11:43 AM
A man's gotta eat
 
Or in my case buy laptops.
 
Imagine the poor guys who had to port a bunch of Minitel services to the internet
"To kick-start the process, the PTT ordered millions of Minitel terminals (built by French manufacturers such as Telic-Alcatel and Matra) and made them available at no cost to everyone in the country who had a telephone line."
Those were the days
Free government internet computers
It was a weirdly simple system for the era
compared to 80's internet
Although that meant that everyone had the same terminal
 
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Best edit of the year so far :-)
 
saw that as well, made me laugh :)
 
i don't know any quantum hot dog theory
I do have a friend who might be working in hot dog theory
A rheologist
I remember he worked on the mechanical properties of meat
 
11:58 AM
I used to know guys at Unilever who worked in food research. Unilever owns a lot of food companies.
 
More money in hotdog theory than string theory I'm afraid
 
It can get very complicated as foods are typically highly complex systems to study.
 
Gotta find the appropriate crystalline hotdog structure for the best mouthfeel
 
I knew someone who did their PhD on crystallisation of chocolate.
 
It seems complex
 
12:00 PM
I asked her if she liked chocolate and she said "Not any more".
 
What horror dwells within
 
Ha! The bottom images are after supercritical fluid extraction. I recognise that morphology.
Since the supercritical fluid has no surface tension it causes no collapse of the fine structure as you remove it.
 
Is that good for the sausage
What if quantum matter is really made of tiny sausages
 
I have a question about something I learned/was told recently in uni, about partial derivatives. It doesn't really make sense to me
 
shoot
 
12:16 PM
My tutor (older student who holds a smaller class in addition to the lecture) said that if we have a (hypothetical) function $E=\frac12mv^2(t)+E_0t$, then $$\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dt}E=ma(t)v(t)+E_0$$ but $$\frac{\partial}{\partial t}E=E_0$$
I didn't fully understand the reason but apparently because the first term in the function does "only depend indirectly" on $t$, it's treated as a constant for a partial derivative but not for the total/"normal" derivative
 
I think he's trying to talk about partial v. total derivative, but it does seem a little suspiscious here
 
I have only encountered partial derivatives before when I have a multivariable function and differentiate wrt one variable
I thought that for a single-variable function, $$\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}f(x)=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x)$$
 
it really depends on whether you conceptualize your function as $E(v,t)$ or as $E(t)$
there's no "correct" partial derivative, it depends on the situation
and it's only ambiguous because physicists are terrible in stating what a function is actually a function of :P
 
12:32 PM
It's the jet bundle again
 
Guys I think electric potential energy is great at theta equal 90
why people think it will simplify to say potential energy is 0 at 90 degree?
i think potential energy should be 0 when theta equal 0
i mean to define them
 
1:21 PM
It is beyond my understanding why is $U=-pEcos(\theta)$
?
potential energy should be lowest at 0 but how tf it is maximum at 0 degree?
cos(0)=1
please help
it is giving the opposite value of what potential energy should give
 
@BannedUser Did you account for the minus sign?
 
@B.Brekke ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thankkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
 
Can someone give me an intuitive reasoning for why the field tensor for a generic gauge theory has the extra $[A_\mu,A_\nu]$ term? I have checked mathematically that adding a commutator term makes the field tensor transform covariantly under unitary transformations, but why on an intuitive level should it be the commutator term...
I mean if I don't know that it would be the commutator term(and hence don't know whether adding it will make the definition transformation nice), how can I arrive(heuristically or otherwise) to the fact that it would be the commutator of the two gauge fields?
 
If you write $E$ as $E = E(t,v(t),a(t))$ we have in general that
$$\frac{d}{dt} E = \frac{\partial E}{\partial t} + \frac{\partial E}{\partial v} \frac{dv}{dt} + \frac{\partial E}{\partial a} \frac{da}{dt} \neq \frac{\partial E}{\partial t}$$
In your example where $E(t,v(t),a(t)) = m a(t) v(t) + E_0 t$ we have
$$ \frac{\partial E}{\partial t} = E_0 , \frac{\partial E}{\partial v} = m a(t) , \frac{\partial E}{\partial a} = m v(t)$$
@ManasDogra If you mean commuting two $D_{\mu} = \partial_{\mu} + i A_{\mu}$ type terms then if $A_{\mu} = A_{\mu}^a T^a$ where the $T^a$ satisfy $[T^a,T^b] = i f^{abc} T^c$, that term wont vanish when you take the commutators of two $D_{\mu}$'s unless the $f^{abc}$ are zero
@Slereah Has anyone in history ever found e.g. the polar coordinate Christoffel symbols starting from this definition
 
@ManasDogra how are you defining the field tensor in the first place?
if you start from the idea that the curvature/field tensor is the commutator of two covariant derivatives, then there's no need to "add" anything, that definition just gives you the correct formula for both Abelian and non-Abelian field strengths
 
1:32 PM
$F_{\mu\nu}=\partial_mu A_mu - \partial_nu A_nu +ig[A_mu,A_nu]$
I am asking about the last term
 
see, that's what I mean - if you don't take that (with or without the last term) as a definition, but $F_{\mu\nu} = [D_\mu, D_\nu]$, then you don't run into this problem
 
Hmm...but instead if I learn about abelian gauge theories at first and then try to get a feel for the non-abelian ones, then?
 
Abelian gauge theories are a special case of what I wrote where the $T^a$ satisfy $[T^a,T^b] = 0$
 
@ACuriousMind Ohhhhhh yes, now I understand.
 
and it is perfectly reasonable to define $F$ like that in the Abelian case - $F$ measures how strongly non-commutative covariant derivatives are, that's an interesting quantity either way
it's also manifestly covariant that way, much nicer than writing down a "random" combination of derivatives of $A$ and trying to find one that's covariant :P
 
1:39 PM
Thank you so much everyone...
@bolbteppa and Sorry to you, I see you replied before the owner of a curious mind but I missed the text.
 
Don't be silly
 
@bolbteppa It is probably doable?
With a flat connection this is probably not too difficult
You just input the appropriate coordinate patch
 
2:24 PM
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Q: Relation between Exterior derivative of a section and a Connection on the Vector bundle

Subhankar D.Let we have a vector bundle over a manifold $p : E \rightarrow M$ and there is a section $s$ on it and also $\nabla$ is a connection on this vector bundle. Is there any relation between $ds : TM \rightarrow TE$ (as an exterior derivative of a map between two manifolds) and $\nabla s$ i.e if $X$ i...

The full post btw
Hey the answer is from Lee of differential geometry fame
 
So $s$ is not the arc length
 
It is the section
 
So it's basically just the usual definition of a derivative applied to a vector field
 
@bolbteppa thank you, that makes sense!
 
2:39 PM
Does the vertical projection depend on the horizontal distribution?
Because I'm not sure what part of that definition depends on the connection otherwise
 
Is $TE = H \oplus V$ just saying, for a vector field $\mathbf{A}$, that $\partial_i \mathbf{A} = (\partial_i A^j) \mathbf{e}_j + A^j \partial_i \mathbf{e}_j$ where $\partial_i \mathbf{e}_j = \Gamma_{ij}^k \mathbf{e}_k$ is the horizontal part involving the connection
 
@Slereah A projection always depends on the splitting into two parts - you can't just "project" onto a subspace $V_1 \subset V$, you need $V = V_1\oplus V_2$ in order to say how the projection works
 
Ah I see
 
(note that we often indeed just say "project onto $V_1$" but in the context of inner product spaces where the unique orthogonal splitting is implied)
 
It looks like the vertical map thing just something like $(\partial_i A^j) \mathbf{e}_j = \pi(d A^j) \mathbf{e}_j$ where $\pi$ just gets rid of the $dx^i$ in $d A^j = dx^i \partial_i A^j$
 
2:51 PM
the thing is that the $\mathrm{d}s(X)$ in the definition is in general not in the fiber, i.e. not Lie-algebra/representation-space valued. You need to "project it back" in order to get something that is
 
The mapping to $TE$ just gives you coordinates $(\partial_\mu, \phi_i)$
if you so wish
So for the tangent bundle that would be something like $(\partial_\mu, v_\mu)$
 
in terms of the connection form $A$, the horizontal space is the kernel of $A$, so applying $A$ to something is the projection: Only the vertical parts survive this
that's why the covariant derivative is $\mathrm{d} + A$
 
 
3 hours later…
6:04 PM
If an electron, travelling in a straight line, emits a photon perpendicular to its direction of motion (as seen from the inertial lab frame), will the frequency of the photon be the same in the inertial lab frame as that in the rest frame of the electron?
 
6:31 PM
Can someone help me understand the gibbs paradox
i am not able to understand the problem here, since I lack sufficient knowledge regarding thermodyn. potentials
Now if the gas is split into 2 chambers, each chamber has the same nr of moles
If we remove the thin wall
then the entropy calculated (by me) is : \Delta S_{mix}= 2nRln2
is that correct until now?
 
 
1 hour later…
7:56 PM
@ACuriousMind or better still, make it available on-line for people to read
 
8:25 PM
We found something, which might be a little problem. 😅
 
exactly
However, that "3.6 R/h not great, not terrible" is only 36 mSv/h in present-day units.
(Of course, 3.6 R/h was just the end of the scale of the instrument. The actual value was much higher.)
 
hopefully you're not in a reactor meltdown
 
Don't worry, we have removed all the fuel a few years ago.
 
 
1 hour later…
9:59 PM
@Cooper23 this sounds like the transverse Doppler effect
For classical waves propagating in a medium, the answer is no iirc
But for relativistic waves, the answer should be yes
 

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