if i was rich id totally spend money on random shit

Give example

You don't have to be motivated, intelligent or innovative to be rich

@Charlie Sure

You can inherit the wealth or win the lottery

Exactly

@JingleBells See our earlier discussion re: value. I do not agree that "creating value to society" and "being rich" are synonymous or even strongly correlated

@JingleBells rolex, lamborghinis, drugs, and hookers

what else does one need

So why are you ok with calling someone who is not rich "lazy" or "stupid" when we've just agreed neither of these are qualities a person needs to be rich

being entrepreneurs, charlie

living on dads money? pfft, i call that innovative money making

And maybe you should think about why, in the standard modern account of democracy, we explicitly don't confer "more votes" to anyone (though historically it has been a popular idea to do that - we now usually classify this as undemocratic and oppressive).

@Charlie Because 67% of wealthy people have started from the bottom. And those who inherit wealth will create more jobs and/or create value to society. And also, lottery winners are not that many to matter in the long term.

"And those who inherit wealth will create more jobs and/or value to society" is not a universally true statement

Why not?

ah yes elon musk, the bottom to top guy

why would it be?

white boi born in apartheid africa

it also depends on what you define as "the bottom"

@Charlie Why wouldn't it be? I asked first :D

exactly ^ @balarka

because a person who inherits a lot of money is not forced to invest it back into the country in the form of creating a business and/or inventing something new

lmao

@Charlie Yes, actually most of the 1% do not stay in the 1% and a rich kid who has inherited money can either spend it (which creates jobs) or create a business (which creates jobs and value)

@Charlie you underestimate the need to take responsibility as a rich person

because ur not rich

rekt

cnbc.com/2019/09/26/…

Sometimes, Google gives you not the result you want, but the result you need :D

I literally can't view that link @jingelbells

@jinglebells what is the goal of your arguments btw?

is it just an intellectual discourse or what

@BalarkaSen Which one?

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your view that rich people gonna make the world a better place hence deserve more social importance

Yeah, surely this is an unbiased source of a report on self-made rich people

whats the end goal

He's miffed that instead of telling him how to get rich I started questioning the moral value of being rich :P

@BalarkaSen I don't know at this point. I cannot convince anyone here to anything so I'm wasting my time.

@ACuriousMind yes actually xD

"Hmm, I don't see the problem with the rich getting to cast more votes on what society values." Also just in reference specifically to this, rich people "value" vastly, vastly different things to the average person

It's a little hard arguing 3 people at a time.

At one point there were 4

What if rich people decide they don't value everyone having access to healthcare, because they can afford their own

That seems unfair

talk about equality.

@JingleBells exactly, while you advocate for capital im gonna advocate arsons and lootings and an internet discourse wont change my mind

so

if its just an intellectual discourse, then fine, a little weird but ok

what is intellectual discourse?

id rather watch a good kung fu movie than talk about capitalism vs socialism

@BalarkaSen So what is a good kung fu movie?

bru no

not again

What is what is a good kung fu movie?

What is what is?

@ACuriousMind drunken master 2

damn good

I've watched all Jackie Chan movies ages ago with my father, but I've forgotten most of them

Rush Hour 4 is happening.

@ACuriousMind lmao same

@Charlie What do you mean?

So I've very likely seen Drunken Master 2 but I couldn't tell you anything about it :P

What I mean is if you allow wealthy people to make decisions, they will make them based on their own personal interests, which will disadvantage the majority of the population

its the one where jackie chan drinks a lot and starts fighting like a maniac drunkard

That is what happens already lol

@BalarkaSen Ah, now it's all coming back to me :P

lololol

imagine popeye but instead of spinach the guy drinks

becomes completely unbeatable

that guy probably already exists somewhere in the Marvel universe

or DC or whatever

sounds more DC than marvel to me

yeah

I'm not really into the whole superhero genre so my knowledge there is really minimal

I watch the movies if someone drags me along but that's it :P

there's some good batman comics out there; the popular movies are a waste of time

they are all the same movies

i know red skull kills dumbledore in endgame

yadda yadda

:O

@BalarkaSen Dude spoilers. I'm still only on the third arc of the anime!

oops

you should read the manga instead, it's far superior

@ACuriousMind I really don't like what they did with Argorn in the manga though.

hey no LOTR memes

thats a good book

He had way too many tentacles

i dont disagree

but great writing

all of modern fantasy is somewhere in Kalevala anyway

I couldn't really get into it. I just kinda drifted away from the series some time early in book 2.

yeah. i read it continuously for a month when i was a kid and was sick with fever. wont read it ever again

but it was enjoyable

I'm done arguing capitalism vs socialism. A bunch of socialists arguing a single unexperienced capitalist debater and then they talk about fairness. I wouldn't bother with 4 people hurling arguments at me before I can even type anything or contemplate what's going on. I will not bother. Still, I thank you for your time.

im not hurling arguments at you jinglebells im just saying how arguments doesnt matter

im a nihilist not a socialist

lol so to you life is meaningless?

if i were the frontface of a socialist movement id be nechayev

@JingleBells sure why not

Also fwiw I would also not label myself a socialist

@BalarkaSen interesting, what do you do in this meaningless world?

whatever passes the time my dude

he does a hedonism

lol

@ACuriousMind XDDD

i'm watching memes

@BalarkaSen Why don't you give your life the meaning of finding a meaning?

congratulations, you've discovered existentialism

because there is by definition no meaning in nihilism

@ACuriousMind "congratulations, your nihilist has evolved to an existentialist"

@ACuriousMind I love how you give me achievements, it feels like I'm playing a vide game

@BalarkaSen Unfortunately, you need the "Hell is other people" arena badge or it won't obey you anymore

lolol

@BalarkaSen What meaning do you expect life to have? When you say life is meaningless, doesn't it kinda give it the meaning of being meaningless?

meaningful and meaningless are antithetic to each other, but you'd know because what you just said is the latter

i prefer my life meaningless

We've been here before

how do you remember this stuff

that was in 2017

begone bot

2020 version: Even in a "meaningless world", the sun still shines, toilet paper tastes wonderful, laughing alone feels good and myriads of fun things await. I don't see how one needs "meaning" to enjoy that.

JingleBells have you been eating toilet paper again

@BalarkaSen beep beep

@Charlie yes my sir

It's been scarce and pricey, so certainly it must have nutritional value

I prefer gold because it's nutritional value is pretty stable over time. I don't have to worry about having a satisfying meal and then have it become less nutritional after I already spent so much time eating it.

making peace with meaninglessness is kind of a neutral position; existentialists and nihilists always hold an angsty position with "meaning of life", the former always looking for "divine meaning", which is fundamentally "good" and the latter looking for "dreadful meaning", which is fundamentally "bad"

whatever those words in scare quotes mean

its like optimism vs pessimism. apathetic is the neutral position

Permit me to draw your attention to my profile image.

(Permit me further to abuse my standing in the community, and draw your attention to the Etsy link in my profile. The prints came out fabulous; I've sold fifty so far.)

@rob ...who painted the "oil on canvas" singleton?

@ACuriousMind Me! I took a class in February and had a bunch of new stuff to play with while I was stuck at home in March.

neat

Though @rob you might want to be aware that the etsy link destroys your anonymity (because of your account name there)

@ACuriousMind I know. I've outed myself before. I'm not a secret agent; I just don't want physics.se to be the top search result for my uncommon name for the next decade.

just making sure :)

Appreciated.