The h Bar

4:00 PM

The DUP are rabid unionists, i.e. supporters of the union of Northern Ireland with the UK, and they fervently oppose anything that suggests weakening of the union and increased links with Eire. They would see it as the thin end of a wedge.

Actually they would be quite right, but union with Eire is inevitable in the long term anyway.

enumaris

What's Eire

John Rennie

Do I have to Google everything for you? :-)

enumaris

maybe

John Rennie

Éire

Éire (Irish: [ˈeːɾʲə] ( listen)) is Irish for "Ireland", the name of an island and a sovereign state. The English pronunciation is (AIR-ə). == Etymology == The modern Irish Éire evolved from the Old Irish word Ériu, which was the name of a Gaelic goddess. Ériu is generally believed to have been the matron goddess of Ireland, a goddess of sovereignty, or simply a goddess of the land. The origin of Ériu has been traced to the Proto-Celtic reconstruction *Φīwerjon- (nominative singular Φīwerjū < Pre-Proto-Celtic -jō). This suggests a descent from the Proto-Indo-European reconstruction *piHwerjon...

Emilio Pisanty

@JohnRennie so... what's brexit going to look like?

enumaris

4:03 PM

So it's just Ireland...but using the Irish term for it?

John Rennie

'kin awful

enumaris

like saying nippon instead of Japan?

Emilio Pisanty

I mean, it's just five months to go, surely folks have figured it out by now, no?

John Rennie

Emilio Pisanty

@JohnRennie lolz

looks like, yep

John Rennie

4:06 PM

It's funny in the same sense that lego graduate student is funny

(i.e. not funny)

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris it's just Ireland, but with a nontrivial load of political, social, and cultural connotations

@JohnRennie c'mon, LGS is funny

enumaris

hmmm

John Rennie

@EmilioPisanty LGS makes you laugh with relief

Emilio Pisanty

I guess if you're right in the middle of a grad-school-induced panic attack it'll be sad instead of funny, but take a bit of distance and the gallows humour becomes pretty funny

ditto with Brexit

@enumaris if you will, think of Eire as Ireland but without all the English invasions and colonialism

John Rennie

@EmilioPisanty right, but in the case of Brexit I (and 50 million others) are that graduate student

Emilio Pisanty

4:09 PM

@JohnRennie yeah, I know

youtube.com/watch?v=Tva0xq-eDvI and all that

John Rennie

Hmm, should I have used am or are in that sentence?

enumaris

@JohnRennie have you talked with people who voted for brexit to get a sense of why they did it?

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris shhhhhhhhhh

that's Rule Number One of remainers

you NEVER TALK TO LEAVERS

enumaris

@JohnRennie I think "am" because the parenthetical is not part of the grammatical structure?

John Rennie

@enumaris yes, and they voted that way because they're having a rubbish time (mainly due to the 2008 crash and austerity) and want someone to blame. And the British press have spent years telling them that Europe is to blame.

enumaris

4:11 PM

@JohnRennie I see...

So it's mostly an economic reaction like...Europe is bad for Britain's economy, therefore leave Europe?

John Rennie

@enumaris I can't remember which continent you're in, but there is similar sentiment in many European countries, usually associated with right wing movements. But only the UK was foolish enough to hold a referendum on it.

Emilio Pisanty

@JohnRennie holding a referendum is OK

enumaris

Having studied Economics at the undergraduate level, it is indeed quite complicated...but my training has always been "more free trade = higher overall utility"

@JohnRennie I am in U.S.

Emilio Pisanty

only the UK was foolish enough to hold a referendum on it which wasn't legally binding but y'all still built up to be morally binding while also having no pre-defined what-happens-after plan

enumaris

Sometimes I see some news about Californians who want to secede from the U.S. but it's always just a tiny fringe group...

John Rennie

4:13 PM

Pretty much every economist you ask will say that free trade makes everyone better off - or so my economist sister in law tells me.

Emilio Pisanty

and also allowing the proponents to run a campaign utterly devoid of plans on what would happen if they won

bolbteppa

Brexit: A Titanic Disaster | Comedy Central

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enumaris

@JohnRennie yes, that is the general wisdom in Economics

Anonymous

@bolbteppa lol

enumaris

@JohnRennie any chance y'all will go "it's too complicated to leave, screw it, we're staying"?

John Rennie

4:15 PM

But the UK press is mainly run by rabidly anti-European billionaires who use it to make statements that while technically true are functionally equivalent to lies.

@enumaris no, it's headed for a hard Brexit.

enumaris

is that better than the flat out lies Mr. Orange says every day?

@JohnRennie :(

Emilio Pisanty

@bolbteppa man, the pound bit at 1:11 gets me every time

bolbteppa

One point to be made is, both have a FPTP voting system

John Rennie

The opposition party is more interested in forcing a general election in the hope of dislodging the government than it is in what's good for the country.

enumaris

@JohnRennie any chance y'all will make free trade deals and the like to make it like you technically left the EU but functionally remains the same?

John Rennie

4:17 PM

So there is simply no large segment of the politicians who are prepared to stand up and say frak it let's just forget the whole idea.

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris that's generally known as the "betrayed brexit" option

enumaris

oh, there's even a name for it

John Rennie

@enumaris no, because then the UK would be getting all the benefits of membership with none of the costs. If that happened the other 27 countries would immediately do the same and that would be the end of the EU.

enumaris

so there's hope?

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris I think that's the name

the gist of it anyways

enumaris

4:18 PM

@JohnRennie ah...well then...

I have no more suggestions for y'all...my condolences

John Rennie

It's vital for the EU that the UK is seen as having suffered due to Brexit to stop other member countries deciding to do the same thing.

enumaris

So the EU is hoping the UK falls on its face hard?

ouch

John Rennie

There will be few tears shed in Brussels when that happens.

And I find it hard to criticise them for that.

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris yes, but more importantly: yes, and this was blindingly obvious from before the referendum

bolbteppa

I think people blame the ringleaders too much and not the voters enough for this kind of mania

Emilio Pisanty

4:21 PM

the UK actively voted to put themselves in a position where it is vital to their negotiating partners in the EU that the UK falls on its face hard

bolbteppa

There really is no excuse for indulging in this fear-based mania under any circumstances and it's a tragedy people are still pandering to such irrationality

enumaris

@bolbteppa same thing happening over here with Mr. Orange tho

well maybe not "same", more "similar"

bolbteppa

@enumaris yeah, even harsher words apply in that case :p

3 weeks time is the first moment to save grace, it's amazing the Senate is not already a foregone conclusion to the dems

Emilio Pisanty

whatcha got against this guy?

enumaris

I have my mail in ballot and am ready to vote

@EmilioPisanty maybe I should use the term Mr. Cheeto?

bolbteppa

4:24 PM

Get 2-3 people who didn't vote in 2016 to vote this time round

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris that's a fantastic term

John Rennie

To be fair, suppose I were asked to vote on string theory. I have little understanding of it and too little time to significantly improve that understanding, so I would be voting based on whether Peter Woit or Briane Greene was more convincing. And this is pretty much the position that large parts of the UK public found themselves in.

enumaris

@bolbteppa in my state, the only 2 candidates for the senate are both Dem

just one more radical dem and one more center dem

bolbteppa

Exactly, questions like this shouldn't be put up for popular vote, only in the fever swamps was this taken seriously

enumaris

@JohnRennie now I'm imagining Peter Woit using "immigrants" as an argument against string theory...uhhhh

bolbteppa

4:26 PM

Luckily Michio Kaku would swoop in and save the day in that case, where was Brexio Kaku :(

enumaris

@JohnRennie I suspect you would do much more research, even if it's just to see what exactly Woit and Greene have said, than the majority of voters though...

bolbteppa

Bernie Kaku was the light against Mr Orange (and will be :p)

enumaris

Bernie Kaku was shut down by Hil Tyson

John Rennie

@enumaris to be fair, the impression I get of Peter Woit is that he's a nice chap. If you went out for a drink with him you'd find him good company. He just has a rather string opinion on string theory. But then much the same is said of Motl.

bolbteppa

Basket of Plutorables

Emilio Pisanty

4:28 PM

@enumaris wait, what's the deal in CA?

why's there no republican candidate?

bolbteppa

Nunes is from CA

enumaris

@EmilioPisanty no republican candidate for Senate

bolbteppa

CA Senate race has a jungle primary right

enumaris

I think probably the republican candidate didn't get enough votes to get put on the ballot, but I'm not sure

Emilio Pisanty

> Under California's non-partisan blanket primary law, all candidates appear on the same ballot, regardless of party. In the primary, voters may vote for any candidate, regardless of their party affiliation. In the California system, the top two finishers—regardless of party—advance to the general election in November

huh

that's a bizarre way to run legislative elections

but hey, whatever rocks your boat

enumaris

4:29 PM

So we get Feinstein and De Leon

Emilio Pisanty

it's not like US elections make any sense to begin with

bolbteppa

(Hartson should've won)

Emilio Pisanty

@bolbteppa you say "jungle primary" like you expect non-USians to know what it is

enumaris

Center-Left Dem (or radical left if you go by Mr. Cheeto's definitions) and Far-Left Dem ( Don't know how to go more left than "radical left")

Semiclassical

jungle primary basically means there's no primary, just a runoff

ACuriousMind

4:32 PM

@EmilioPisanty Obviously you drop all candidates into the middle of a jungle somewhere and those who survive a week proceed to the next round.

Emilio Pisanty

@ACuriousMind ah, of course

Semiclassical

I don't really get why they call it a jungle primary vs. a runoff tbh

enumaris

@ACuriousMind interestingly, that method would have made sure Mr. Cheeto was never elected

bolbteppa

I think that's a Battle Royale primary :p

enumaris

his bone spurs would have prevented his involvement

bolbteppa

4:33 PM

I like bone spurs that weren't captured

Emilio Pisanty

@Semiclassical because US politics has a mental age of 5 and it can't fully parse abstract concepts unless they're spelled out using explicit metaphors?

dunno, just hypothesizin' here

ACuriousMind

@bolbteppa No, that's dropping them into an arena with a weapon of their choice, last candidate standing gets the position

Semiclassical

lol

ACuriousMind

Get your murderous election schemes right!

bolbteppa

I vaguely remember the end of that movie coming down to two people facing off or something :p

Semiclassical

4:34 PM

i think the distinction is that a jungle primary is a runoff election with no party nomination process

enumaris

@bolbteppa they used the power of love to make the organizers change minds so they both survived

Semiclassical

so a jungle primary is a runoff without a primary :P

(or, it's a primary in the sense that a runoff itself is: a primary for who is eligible to be elected, not who serves as a party nominee)

enumaris

4:48 PM

ooo a moon-landing conspiracy dude on PSE

-2

Q: Have we really reached moon?

it seems like NASA and other space agencies are making fool of the whole world. i think that they are showing us just fake photos of them going there. ????

@ACuriousMind as a mod, you still have to "vote" to close rather than just "close"?

ACuriousMind

@enumaris Yes, it's still "one person, one vote". But in case of being a mod, I am The Person, and I have The Vote.

(with apologies to Terry Pratchett who I stole this joke from)

Green

@ACuriousMind The Patrician is so great.

ACuriousMind

He really is <3

enumaris

lol

What's the flag option I should use if I think the question belongs better on another stack exchange - but not meta or math?

Green

Terifying but utterly methodical in his aims. I can work with a person like that.

ACuriousMind

4:53 PM

@enumaris Vote to close normally and ask the OP to consider flagging their question for migration (with a custom mod flag) or just to delete it here and reask it there. There's actually very little benefit to migration as opposed to the OP just deleting and reposting on the other site.

But arguably low-rep users could worry about being hit by the automatic question ban for deleting too many questions, so flagging for custom migration is totally fine

enumaris

hmmm

Anonymous

Phew.....some people just don't use \text{} and _

enumaris

hmmm

there appears to be no built in function in gensim to get the # of topics a hdp model produced

danielunderwood

5:34 PM

ez len(topics)

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris when suggesting "this might be OK elsewhere", it pays to remark on the migration pathway. If OP goes on to cross-post without linking appropriately, comments saying "oh, just post elsewhere" are occasionally taken as not-great by folks at the target site.

enumaris

hmmm, I don't know what the migration pathway is tho

@danielunderwood yeah, that just always gives the truncation level lol

Emilio Pisanty

@enumaris just say "if you think this should be moved, then raise a custom moderator flag asking for migration"

and boom, you're done.

enumaris

I see, cool, I'll keep that in mind for the future

danielunderwood

You can't enumerate the topics and count from that?

> Education Level: Bachelor's Degree (±16 years)

what does that even mean?

Anonymous

5:45 PM

6

A: Bachelors degree (+- 16 years)

± is going to mean "about" or "approximately" or even "give or take a bit". Essentially it's saying that the person spent about 16 years of their life in school.

danielunderwood

huh so it is a thing

Anonymous

Apparently

danielunderwood

But that leads to the question of how does one end up with 16 years in school and a Bachelor's

nevermind I'm dumb

I didn't start school when I was born

Anonymous

School is about 12 years and bachelor's is another 4

Anonymous

They're probably not including kindergarden

Anonymous

5:48 PM

and playschool

Anonymous

:P

danielunderwood

I was thinking that I had spent 22 years in school by the time I graduated

enumaris

I have 23 years +=

+-

@danielunderwood HDP model will always output maximum number of topics at the truncation level

but not all the topics are pertinent

danielunderwood

Ahh I dunno. I need to get back to NLP stuff

enumaris

this stack overflow post seems to not be the right answer

hmmm...it seems the hdp model is saying there's just 1 important topic in my corpus

and the rest of the 149 topics are equally valid

hmmm

Anonymous

6:01 PM

Reserve the hmmm's lest they become boring ;)

enumaris

6:12 PM

whoops, I can't remove the extra m's now

my mistake

what to do...

ACuriousMind

I don't know what you're talking about B)

enumaris

I will just save the alpha vector to another dataframe

that's the solution :D

Anonymous

6:28 PM

@enumaris Apparently they can remove those themselves. Self-correcting hmmm's

enumaris

bam

so good

important question

what should I get for lunch?

ACuriousMind

@Blue Self-hmmmprovement.

Anonymous

@enumaris brunch

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind noicey

enumaris

dang, the normal thai place I get is not open

I guess I'll get some thai noodles from another place

ACuriousMind

6:30 PM

@enumaris You should hmmmprovise

(I'm sorry.)

enumaris

lol

Anonymous

@enumaris What about the Iranian restaurant?

enumaris

the meat was a bit dry tbh

the Iranian that delivers here that is

Anonymous

Order a pizza. 30 mins! :D

enumaris

got some pad see ew

ACuriousMind

6:32 PM

I just had a big helping of Chicken Korma

Anonymous

Wauw

Anonymous

I had biryani and tandoori chicken in the afternoon (well, this bliss will only last for 2 more days for me)

enumaris

not familiar with those dishes

tho I have heard of tandoori chicken

generally I can't eat Indian food though because it makes my stomach upset :(

Anonymous

@enumaris It's heavenly

Anonymous

You'll forget all other chicken recipes for a month, once you taste it ;)

Anonymous

6:35 PM

(Although that's my impression, of couse)

Anonymous

@enumaris Eeeeeeh, you unlucky westerners

Anonymous

You'll develop tolerance over time :D

enumaris

haha

I dunno if calling myself a "westerner" is legit

Anonymous

Asian?

enumaris

although I am a U.S. citizen and I've been here 20+ years, I'm asian and look Chinese fo sho

although a lady the other night said my features looked "too nice to be Chinese"...(casual racism or compliment? Not sure...)

Anonymous

6:39 PM

Well, if you've been there for 20+ years, it's almost certain that your tastes will be similar to the westerners

Anonymous

Chinese food is pretty spicy too

enumaris

Generally speaking yes, but I have a much higher tolerance for spicy and I enjoy Chinese food a lot more lol

Anonymous

@enumaris I'd say both :P

Anonymous

The thing about casual racism is that you don't even realize that you're being racist

enumaris

I don't think the lady realized

she seemed like a nice enough lady

was just a bit awkward to hear her say I look too good to be Chinese and she thought I was Japanese lol...

Anonymous

6:43 PM

Man.....I too confuse between Chinese natives and Japanese natives and North-East Indian natives at times. They often have very similar features

enumaris

yeah it's pretty hard to tell just by the features

at least on a case by case basis

the fashion sense is quite different between the two tho

so sometimes you can more easily tell by the clothing and general style

Anonymous

@enumaris Like?

enumaris

I feel like Chinese fashion is generally more subdued than Korean and Japanese fashion

of course there are also outliers on each end

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind From where did you get the Chicken Korma btw? Prepared at home?

ACuriousMind

@Blue No, there's a nice little Indian shop just down the street

Anonymous

6:49 PM

Awesome! :D

ACuriousMind

They're always delicious

Anonymous

You should then definitely try biryani, butter chicken and tandoori chicken sometime if they're available there

ACuriousMind

They have tandoori and butter, both are great, too

Anonymous

butter chicken goes very well with naan

ACuriousMind

Can't remember biryani, but I don't have the menu fully memorized :P

Anonymous

6:52 PM

@ACuriousMind Yay! You're getting some food experience for sure :)

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind They must be having it. Ask them next time when you visit (it's a ~~pretty~~ very popular dish)

danielunderwood

7:06 PM

You guys and all your food. A Mexican restaurant is about the most exotic I have around here

Anonymous

I don't have much idea how Mexican tastes like

Anonymous

I just tasted tacos and nachos and the mexican red/green wave from Domino's

Anonymous

But those are more like snacks I guess

danielunderwood

Tacos can get pretty legit

Anonymous

Of course. You can put a lot of things within the bread :P

Anonymous

7:16 PM

Here we have a different version of the tacos: recipes.timesofindia.com/recipes/chicken-roll/rs53210540.cms

danielunderwood

I'd certainly eat one of those right now

Though I'm still not 100% on the side of cooking with yogurt

I grilled some chicken marinated in yogurt once and it came out reasonably tasty...there's just something that seems wrong about it to me

Anonymous

It takes some patience to get it right

Anonymous

chicken with yogurt can be really tasty

Anonymous

@danielunderwood Lol...why?

danielunderwood

I dunno it just seems weird. Dairy just seems like something that should be heated...unless it's cheese. And I think you get yogurt by slowly cooking milk, so I may just plain be on the wrong side lol

ACuriousMind

7:23 PM

@danielunderwood ...you get yogurt by fermenting milk, not cooking it!

danielunderwood

I swear I've heard of someone using a slow cooker to make yogurt

Anonymous

Well, they normally heat the milk first (a bit), before fermenting

ACuriousMind

@danielunderwood You do heat the milk before fermenting it, but actually cooking it will just kill everything that could ferment it

danielunderwood

Ahh it does look like that's the case now that I've looked it up. I should attempt it

Also recipe websites are going right beside job websites in the list of websites I hate

So many ads and extra info

Anonymous

My ad blocker works reasonably well ;)

Anonymous

7:28 PM

But some of those sneaky websites don't allow you to browse till you disable it

danielunderwood

Well not so much ads as "sponsored content" I suppose. Give it a try thekitchn.com/…

I don't need pictures, a video, and your attempt to sell me something to heat the milk in lol

Anonymous

Lol...okay...those are not really ads, except the yogurt maker :P

Anonymous

Quality recipe websites are rare tho

danielunderwood

I just imagine all the white space would be filled with ads if I didn't have an ad blocker

enumaris

that Pad See Eew was a bit too strong...too much oil

feel a bit nauseous

Anonymous

7:32 PM

It ends with an Eew...enuff said

danielunderwood

enumaris

I've had it before from other places

much less oil

tastes pretty good

Anonymous

@danielunderwood lol

Anonymous

Same here

enumaris

need to sit here and detox for a while...

danielunderwood

7:34 PM

I had no idea what Pad See Ew was, but I looked it up and it looks delicious

enumaris

Usually it's quite good

danielunderwood

Just maybe from a different place than yours

enumaris

but this restaurant just loaded it up with the oil

I need to get another 80 rep...

but I'm not finding any questions that are easy for me to answer -.-

ACuriousMind

So go for a hard one!

Anonymous

I have a couple of GR questions

Anonymous

7:36 PM

If you wish I can post them tonight

Anonymous

(for you to answer)

danielunderwood

banned!

Anonymous

@enumaris 78 actually

enumaris

yeah 78 rep lol

@Blue you are free to post your questions, no guarantee I can answer them lol

@ACuriousMind but hard questions requires effort...-.-

Anonymous

Something something Betti number

Anonymous

7:39 PM

I will revise my notes now

enumaris

lol, if you ask about topology I probably won't answer

ACuriousMind

@enumaris I personally find that an answer I first had to work out for myself is much more satisfying to write than something I just know off the top of my head.

enumaris

Plus, pure topology probably belongs on Math SE or Math Overflow depending on difficulty...

@ACuriousMind true...but then it would have to just happen to be in a topic that I'm interested in working out myself :P

ACuriousMind

Sure

enumaris

My actual interest in physics is pretty much narrowed to like...GR...but a lot of problems in GR are just beyond my level to solve lol

I gotta study the Kerr solution sometime...just haven't found the time to do so yet...

there be some funky singularities in thar

ACuriousMind

7:43 PM

If you think Kerr is funky you haven't seen the stuff @Slereah is into :P

enumaris

there's definitely stuff in GR way more funky than Kerr

Slereah

Don't kinkshame me

enumaris

sometimes they are not (expected to be) physically significant though...like the Godel solution

CTCs everywhere~

ACuriousMind

@Slereah I don't have anything against solutions with kinks

enumaris

@ACuriousMind non-differentiable solutions are ugly - change my mind

Slereah

7:45 PM

The worst solution I've ever seen is the Geroch spacetime

Al Nejati

It was my impression that you can 'solve' basically any spacetime curvature problem in GR... although sometimes you get negative and/or imaginary mass-energy

Slereah

That's geodesically complete but with singularities

ACuriousMind

@enumaris I'm physicist enough to just pretend everything is smooth even if it really isn't :P

enumaris

@Slereah so the "singularity" there doesn't conform to the usual notion of "singularity" as incomplete geodesics?

Slereah

yes

Anonymous

7:46 PM

@enumaris Basically, it was along the lines of: You can define a notion of differentiability (of curves) for 1/2/3 dimensional topological manifolds in a single way; you can define a notion of differentiability (of curves) for 4/5/6/... dimensional manifolds in a finite number of ways; but for 4 dimensional topological manifolds except in a few cases, there are an infinite (and uncountably so) number of choices to define a notion of differentiability.

Anonymous

Considering that, is it a coincidence that the dimension of spacetime is taken to be 4?

enumaris

so it's some scalar curvature divergence?

Slereah

It has incomplete timelike curves of bounded acceleration

Anonymous

I might be missing some important point there (gotta revise)

Anonymous

But that was the theme of the question

enumaris

7:47 PM

@Slereah hmmm...so it's non-geodesic curves that are incomplete...interesting...

Slereah

yeah

due to this it has to be constructed in a pretty artificial way

So it's probably the worst spacetime you can find

enumaris

Wouldn't that...uh...be like the Rindler horizon?

Slereah

Not really?

enumaris

Like I'm thinking of Schwarzschild coordinates and how it's singular at r=2M but that's just because of the coordinate system (used by observers at infinity). And in Rindler coordinates (accelerated observers) you also get "singularities" in the sense of a horizon...so it's a...frame dependent...or coordinate dependent...notion...

so if a spacetime has "singularities" only for some subset of accelerated observers, it seems to me to be...maybe like the Rindler case...

Slereah

Nah, those are coordinate-independant singularities

enumaris

7:51 PM

I see...

does the curvature scalar blow up there?

e.g. the Kreschman (sp?) scalar...

Slereah

I'm not sure

enumaris

@Blue I wouldn't know how to answer that question...nor would I know...how to approach that quesiton...lol