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11:00 AM
I just said I'm talking about number 1 in his answer
 
@YuzurihaInori So there are people around who claim it is meaningless totalk about the inside of a black hole because (in our universe) that interior is physically inaccessible.
I don't know whether you would share that view or not ...
 
@0celo7 You said some garbage about $\dim M \geq 3$. That's the third point in his answer, man
 
:(
"In dimensions>2 it can be taken connected."
Does this not show up on your screen
 
Oh.
 
@JohnRennie So it all comes down to individual opinions rather than universal consensus?
 
11:01 AM
No I have a small screen
 
But we can compute the time that passes for the observer falling into the black hole, and we find that time is finite.
So if you're the person faling into the black hole does it make any sense to you that you would just cease to exist at the horizon?
 
@0celo7 Sorry about that, whoopsie. Ok, I'll think about that bit now.
 
thanks
 
Doesn't it make more sense to assume that you would fall on through the horizon to a messy (but quick) death at the singularity?
 
@JohnRennie No, it won't. But I can't send that message to anyone that I still exist.
@JohnRennie Only I will see myself die. No one else would see that.
 
11:03 AM
The observers outside have simply made a poor choice of coordinates. The interior exists but is accessibe only by falling into it, and as you say that causally disconnects you from the rest of the universe.
 
@BalarkaSen Is it supposed to be obvious why a regular preimage generates the desired class?
Apparently this follows from intersection theory but I don't know it
 
Nope, that's exactly what I was hung up on the last time I tried to understand it.
 
every single answer on this question stops there
 
@YuzurihaInori what I'm getting at is that you should always study th maths whether or not you think it's physically relevant. The only way you will find out whether it's relevant or not is to study the maths. Do that first and worry later.
 
like it's supposed to be obvious
 
11:05 AM
It's some standard argument in geometric topology. I'm going for a little walk, let's see if I can rediscover it.
 
@JohnRennie I concur. Maths comes first. Physical treatment can be done in due time.
 
I guess I'm saying: don't be John Duffield ! :-)
 
Which reminds me, John, can you answer another small question?
 
I say **** the physics
 
@JohnRennie xD
 
11:06 AM
ok @BalarkaSen good luck
 
@YuzurihaInori the last small question just took us an hour! :-)
But ask anyway!
 
@0celo7 So I should rather do get maths degree than a physics one?
 
obviously
 
@YuzurihaInori lots of mathematicians become physiscists, and some (a smaller number) physicists become mathematicians. Choose the course you are going to enjoy most and let tomorrow take care of itself.
@YuzurihaInori what was the small question?
 
@JohnRennie I just read a paper that proved mathematically the existence of two retarded field, and a set of Maxwell like equations from one continuity equation.
 
11:11 AM
OK ...
 
The continuity equation had two parameters. If one identifies the parameters with the electric charge density and current density, the fields become the electric and magnetic fields, and the Maxwell like equations come out to be exactly Maxwell equations.
Now, as far as I know, the full set if Maxwell equations only listen to Lorentz transformations, not Galilean ones. So if, charge conservation gives Maxwell, then charge conservation is not a part of Galileo.
Is my analysis correct?
 
the R word is not acceptable
 
I don't think even the Maxwell equations dictate that charge is conserved
 
@JohnRennie Wot? There is a continuity equation, which dictates that.
 
@JohnRennie div J = 0
 
@0celo7 is that part of the Maxwell equations? I would have thought not.
 
@0celo7 Wasn't it $\div J = -\partial \rho / \partial t$ ?
@JohnRennie Divergence of one of the equations with another substitution yields it
 
@YuzurihaInori div is \nabla\cdot
 
My phone doea not show Latex in chat. So I don't know what I am typing :( Bad phone.
 
@JohnRennie of course it does
 
11:18 AM
The continuity equation says that if charge is moving out of a differential volume (i.e. divergence of current density is positive) then the amount of charge within that volume is going to decrease, so the rate of change of charge density is negative. Therefore, the continuity equation amounts to a conservation of charge.
Quoted from wikipedia
 
OK. I freely admit that electrodynamics is far from my strongest subject, mainly because I found it really tedious at university.
 
@JohnRennie it's just $\delta^2=0$
$\delta F=j\implies \delta j=0$
 
Okay, I also found a paper that derives GR from conservation of mass and energy. (_)
 
You probably need to ask someone who knows what they are talking about :-)
 
@Slereah Big if true arxiv.org/abs/1804.06825
 
@YuzurihaInori Shrug. Theoreticians are endlessly inventive in finding new and interesting avenues to explore, but I don't recall that paper overturning our ideas about space and time.
The divergence of the stress-energy tensor is zero, and this is certainly very important in the construction of GR.
 
All bright guys down here, right at this moment, I have 2 options. 1. Take mathematics as a choice for future studies. 2. Take physics as a choice for future studies. To be honest, I love physics more than maths, And, the thing I want to do is get a thorough understanding of the universe and maybe later in life, work on the TOE.
 
then you are lost
 
@YuzurihaInori If you enjoy physics more then do physics
Physics degrees normally allow you to pursue a highly theoretical/mathematical track if you want to.
 
If you don't enjoy math you're not gonna like doing TOE stuff
 
11:26 AM
@0celo7 I have made a little progress.
There's a wealth of equivalences that one needs to unearth to understand what's going on.
 
ok
 
@Slereah Not that I don't enjoy, but physics kind of flows naturally through me.
 
until you find out that most of it is a lie
 
@0celo7 Ouch,(@_@) !
Elaborate please?
 
" In the extreme, this association
has led to the charge that invasion biology is rife with xenophobia and racism13
and is a lineal descendant of Nazism." lmao
 
11:29 AM
We have these equivalences (1) $PD : H^1(M) \cong H_{n-1}(M)$ (2) $f : H^1(M) \cong Hom(H_1(M), \Bbb Z)$ coming from the billinear pairing $\frown: H^1(M) \times H_1(M) \to \Bbb Z$ given by cap product (3) $i : H^1(M) \cong [M, S^1]$ an abstract isomorphism, which I am going to describe
 
@YuzurihaInori physicists often use calculations that are not mathematically rigorous.
Since Ryan is a mathematician this sears his very soul :-)
 
@BalarkaSen (2) does not make sense as written
 
For example if I say spacetime is locally flat he will spontaneously combust :-)
 
or is $f$ not the function from $M$ to $S^1$
@JohnRennie I use the ignore button when you do that
 
@0celo7 sorry :-)
 
11:31 AM
@0celo7 No, no, I'm calling the isomorphism $f$
 
@BalarkaSen confusing because $f$ has been something different the whole time
 
@JohnRennie Locally flat. Mathematicians have a problem on that? I don't see a reason why...
 
also isn't that is just the UCT
 
@0celo7 yeah forget about that. I should also mention (4) $[M, S^1] \to Hom(H_1(M), \Bbb Z)$ given by sending $g : M \to S^1$ to $g_* : H_1(M) \to H_1(S^1)$. This is also an isomorphism
@YuzurihaInori Yes, it doesn't mean what John thinks it means
 
@YuzurihaInori locally flat would have to mean that the Riemann tensor was locally zero, and it isn't.
 
11:33 AM
Or, well, he's aware of that but just wants to use that terminology to annoy us :P
 
The best you can do is choose coordinates in which the Christoffel symbols are all zero.
 
Understood sir!
 
If the Riemann curvature tensor was locally zero it would have been globally zero so might as well call it flat my man
 
John, just a curiosity. Are you a prof?
 
11:34 AM
No :-)
 
@BalarkaSen Incidentally, our universe is globally flat.
 
I was an industrial colloid scientist - a physical chemist really.
 
@YuzurihaInori Big if true.
 
@YuzurihaInori biggest load of crap I've heard all day
it is only 7:34 tho
 
LOL
 
11:35 AM
I have been reading ecology papers
so consider that
 
@YuzurihaInori But like a lot of physicists I had always been curious about the way GR actually worked, so when I retired I decided to learn some.
 
@0celo7 I take it back
@JohnRennie Wait, retired?????
 
John is 78
 
Yes, retired :-)
 
Well, I guess you can say "locally flat at a point", but meh. Just say "flat at a point"
 
11:36 AM
@0celo7 a slight exaggeration :-)
 
I am sorry to call you by name Sir!
 
Locally flat is a globally garbage terminology in the context of geometry
 
@YuzurihaInori don't you start calling me Sir. Only traffic police call me Sir, and they don't mean it!
 
@JohnRennie Then Prof?
 
11:37 AM
Herr Doktor Professor
 
@0celo7 So many drugs
 
Call me John.
 
I mean, you are way older than me.
 
Mr Rennie
 
In the west we're not that fussed about age.
 
11:38 AM
Wayyyyyy
I am just 18
 
Sensei Rennie
 
@BalarkaSen This is actually a good suggestion. But, if he's comfortable with John, then so be it
 
Dr Rennie, ffs
 
Dr. Rennie
 
he has a PhD
don't be a disrespectful sh**
 
11:39 AM
I only have a master
 
That was an ironical suggestion.
 
Just call me master
 
@Slereah I actually call my duel master teacher by that, and my physics-mathematics-english-philosophy-black magic teacher by sensei
 
A lot of the teens of this chat just call everyone by everyone's names. It doesn't matter
 
11:40 AM
Kids these days
No respect!
 
@0celo7 Lol
 
:44099152 I see, you said it's just almost 8 at your place. There's a lot of time left in the day
 
summa cum laude, as they say
 
@BalarkaSen apparently souganidis likes to be called sensei
 
this guys sounds out of his mind
 
11:41 AM
@Slereah I have a Dr. rer. nat. – so call me a natural?
 
sougi is totally crazy
 
I'm working under him this summer as I just found out lol
 
but also he just wants to crack a cold one open with the bois
 
Just don't call me at all
 
I'm gonna do my best to crack open a cold one w him
 
11:42 AM
@Slereah "I am Sam, Sam I am"
 
@BalarkaSen Sam?
 
Its me
Ol' Sam
 
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The famed physicist that I am
 
I missed that chance.
 
11:46 AM
@BalarkaSen my thesis also contains a category, though through an abuse of terminology
 
There was a time when I wanted to study particle physics, before I shifted my interest to more general things
 
QFT is all a lie, don't do it!
 
any mods or >25k'ers around?
 
@0celo7 Ok, so, with the above equivalences, I think I can prove that given a class $\alpha \in H^1(M)$, $f(\alpha) : H_1(M) \to \Bbb Z$ being the corresponding map and $g : M \to S^1$ being the space level map, for any $c \in H_1(M)$, $f(\alpha)(c) = g^{-1}(p) \pitchfork c$ where $\pitchfork$ means the intersection number
 
I can't see any analytics on the usual page physics.stackexchange.com/site-analytics/traffic-sources
 
11:48 AM
@BalarkaSen uh, ok
 
@Slereah but can we call you Al?
 
why not I(,) like GP
 
because I forgot all the math I learnt
my brain is slowly turning into mush as i prepare for these stupid admissions
I hope I can either recover it if I get into these fucking colleges or don't need to recover it at all and end up not studying math
 
take the JEE and do something with your life, please
 
the jee is 2 hard 4 me
 
11:51 AM
Okay guys. Thanks a lot for all the information. I have an exam on Sunday, and need to study for them. Rather than sitting around with stuff that colleges don't teach till third or fourth year
So, sayonara
 
@JohnRennie :-/
 
Something is broken ...
 
at least Dr Rennie sees the same as me
 
@EricSilva are you excited for the conference?
we're thinking about organizing a hiking trip in the mountains
 
11:55 AM
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Not just us then ...
 
looks like
 
12:17 PM
fook, apparently the most popular method for dealing with invasive hogs is poison
they vomit to death
@BalarkaSen can we discuss this again later
like tomorrow
I'm very busy with this paper rn, then class, then seminar, then scholarship thing, then dinner with visitor
and then complex analysis hw fml
 
12:44 PM
@0celo7 if it's invasive it's invasive
the natural world is a harsh place
 
Sure, I'm not against killing them
but poison seems like a waste
 
it's like getting all worked up about lionfish dying
@0celo7 how so?
 
I didn't take you for a republican
@EmilioPisanty feral hog meat is good meat and should not be wasted
We should have feral hog market hunting
Do to the pigs what we did to the buffalo
 
@0celo7 I'd say I'm about as far from a republican as can be, but I guess that'd put me in some sectors of the left that are rather... rabid and uncritical for my taste, I guess
 
It's like today I dreamt of being a teaching assistant for experiment again! Sigh!
 
12:47 PM
@0celo7 I imagine that the fact that folks see themselves forced to poison the hogs is that there just isn't a big enough market demand for that meat
that's just the Invisible Hand of the Market telling you that your idealism doesn't square with the real world =P
 
maybe, but this is a philosophy paper I'm writing, not a reality paper
 
@0celo7 you're writing a philosophy paper about feral hogs?
 
you're taking philosophy?
 
read The philosopher and the wolf
 
environmental ethics class
mandatory
it's either this or arguing all sentient life is worth saving, which is definitely false
 
12:49 PM
@0celo7 define "sentient life"
 
I dunno, I'm not writing that paper
It's open to interpretation
 
no kidding
 
Define: define (remember this is philosophy ;)
apologies to all the PhDs in the room
 
phds dont have time to go on internet chatrooms
 
@0celo7 You need to be careful about bush meat, especially with animals that spend their time rooting through the Earth. They have a tendency to be riddled with parasites. Admittedly many of these don't infect humans, but some do. And even with the parasites that don't infect humans, so you really enjoy eating roasted parasite?
 
12:55 PM
@JohnRennie grind them up and use it for fertilizer
idk, I'm brainstorming here
feral pigs are supposedly good eating
 
How many are there?
 
more than 30
 
possibly more than 50
 
Mass slaughter.
Don't they have natural predators?
 
12:58 PM
@0celo7 that's an unrealistic assessment
 
@s.patroller these are apparently spanish pigs, so no
 
@0celo7 im excited for anything remotely mcf related
 
@s.patroller that's what "invasive species" means
 
@JohnRennie Hi ! Good afternoon :)
 
@0celo7 people think im a communist and i think culling hogs is fine so it doesnt seem like a left-right position
 
1:01 PM
doh! @EmilioPisanty
 
@EricSilva his comment about the lionfish was very GOP
 
@0celo7 how so?
 
oil > lionfish
 
@0celo7 do you actually know what a lionfish is?
 
no
 
1:02 PM
well, maybe look it up before you ascribe partisan aspects to opinions about them?
 
ok I did know what it is
what about it
 
i do feel like killing them with poison sounds kind of dumb
it might be that i dont care as much as other leftist kinda folks because ive lived on a farm tho so ymmv
 
1:25 PM
@EricSilva So I take it you're >21?
 
Morning
 
1:36 PM
@BalarkaSen Do the step exam, apply to Cambridge, get scholarship, become Ramanujan
 
why would you want to become Ramanujan
 
Why not
That graph theory guys reference would get you into Harvard probably as well
 
@0celo7 no?
I'm 21
 
@EricSilva whatever, >=
standard abuse
positive being nonnegative and all that
 
Lol oh ok yes then
 
1:46 PM
@EricSilva my GMT professor always says positive when she means nonnegative, so we call it "Greek positive"
 
It's so dumb that 21 is the drinking age here
 
@EricSilva I've got like 6 months left
 
It should be like 18
 
@EricSilva birth
 
I mean I drank w family since I was a kid so I don't disagree I'm just trying to be uncontroversial
 
1:59 PM
@EricSilva it's not clear to me why it's 21, no one seems to support it
it's mostly a case of "oh no it's always been this way, can't change it"
 
Maybe left over artefact of the fact that we had prohibition idk
 
the drinking age was 18 right after prohibition
it was 18 for a while
and then like 50 years ago it became 21
 
Lol wtf that's trash
 
@EricSilva actually it was 1984
coincidence??????????
Alabama was 21 in 1881
jesus
 
it's crazy how like
this country is still this puritanical
 
2:07 PM
to be fair good people don't drink alcohol. Like Donald Trump and Terry Tao
but I shouldn't have to be a good person >:(
 
i drink occasionally but only really w food
i dont really think alcohol is all that great
 
I don't like being drunk
But whiskey is objectively good
 
i enjoy the taste of whiskey
i drink it with meals
 
2:21 PM
@BalarkaSen ?
 
@0celo7 This feels like a setup for a Facebook quiz. "Which Batman villain do you most identify with?"
 
plot twist: batman
 
@0celo7 b/c drunk driving
 
there's a theory that the whole story is just the delusions of bruce
 
I'm not being sarcastic, btw.
 
2:25 PM
MADD, I know
 
has the law been shown to have reduced drunk driving?
because then I can see the argument
 
They managed to get federal funding for highway stuff pegged to having the drinking age set at 21
Dunno
 
everyone i know to have definitely driven drunk has been over 21 so rip
 
define "drive drunk"
 
2:26 PM
that's obviously anecdotal and doesnt mean anything but it is amusing if i dont think about it being sad
they drove while clearly intoxicated
 
apparently it has significantly reduced drunk driving among youths
 
(from a govt website so obviously it's not exactly going to be pro-alcohol consumption)
 
but it's not clear there's a direct causal relationship
anyway, if I support toddlers having AR-15s I guess I should support them having whiskey
although that's not in the constitution...hmmm
 
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wow
 
idt we should base our modern laws on what's in the constitution but that's probably controversial
 
2:30 PM
that's crazy talk
 
@EmilioPisanty during my office hours yesterday for upper division E&M I had a guy who didn't know how to respond when I asked him how he'd compute the length of a vector
 
the forefathers understood exactly what the world would be like in 2018
 
clearly
 
or how to compute the angle between two vectors using the dot product. (or, at least, only got to those once I really pushed him on it)
 
@Semiclassical did he respond like the answer in that link?
 
2:30 PM
it was...frustrating
...lol, I hadn't actually looked and seen that answer
that's amazing
 
@EmilioPisanty would you have migrated that without his abusive answer!?!?!?!
 
indeed
@0celo7 probably would have voted to migrate
 
you're shitting me, right
what happened to "don't migrate crap"
 
wouldn't've changed anything given the four OT votes, but still
 
what an answer
 
2:32 PM
@EricSilva blink and you'll miss it
 
Can anyone help me understand the analogy between written statement of 2nd law if thermodynamics and mathematical statement ?
 
there
 
i screenshot it too so it's ok
 
frankly, I'm surprised that it hasn't been obliterated by 'rude or abusive' flags already
 
flagged as rude so it will probably be deleted
@EmilioPisanty because I upvoted, i think that makes them live longer
 
2:33 PM
@0celo7 srsly?
 
we should have a rude.stackexchange where ppl can be rude
 
maybe
@EricSilva 4chan?
 
nvm i take it back then
it shouldnt exist
 
@NehalSamee given that there's multiple different written and mathematical statements of the second law, that's not (yet) a well-posed question as you've written it.
 
@EmilioPisanty Clausius said , " It is not possible to transfer heat by an automatic machine from lower to higher temperature body without the help of external energy
 
2:35 PM
Claudius (; Latin: Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus; 1 August 10 BC – 13 October 54 AD) was Roman emperor from 41 to 54. A member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, he was the son of Drusus and Antonia Minor. He was born at Lugdunum in Gaul, the first (and until Trajan, the only) Roman Emperor to be born outside Italy. Because he was afflicted with a limp and slight deafness due to sickness at a young age, his family ostracized him and excluded him from public office until his consulship, shared with his nephew Caligula in 37. Claudius' infirmity probably saved him from the fate of many...
this guy?
 
he means Clausius, Emilio
 
Man ,. Typing mistake ...
 
@0celo7 ah
 
@EmilioPisanty Again , mathematically how is entropy related to his statement ...?
 
"But there also is no proof that they did not." ah the old "we don't know what really happened"
 
2:36 PM
@NehalSamee I should really refer you to a thermodynamics book
it depends on how you want to do things and what your pre-existing base of knowledge is
 
@EmilioPisanty The text books I have don't include or compare entropy with the statements ...
@EmilioPisanty I know that entropy is said to be disorderliness and it's maximum value states that no exchange of energy is possible ( heat death ) ... I want to locate these in the statement ...
 
2:51 PM
@EmilioPisanty gone now, rip
 
3:01 PM
@JohnRennie ... There ?
 
@NehalSamee Hi
 
Can you come up in the problem solving room ...? Elaborate discussion of course ...
 
@BernardoMeurer I'm writing a philosophy paper on pig genocide
no ZFC needed
@Semiclassical ugh, in a very boring talk
help
 
4:00 PM
@0celo7 wot
 
@Slereah ?
 
4:40 PM
@0celo7 pig genocide? Is that when they come to my house? :-)
(for lunch)
 
@0celo7 Fuh sure
@0celo7 sounds like one of the other popular theories that the whole harry potter mythology are just delusions of a lonely kid locked in his cupboard by his abusive uncle and aunt
i 100% subscribe to that theory
@bolbteppa Ramanujan was a crank
 

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