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7:02 PM
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7:21 PM
What operation is a small circle between two operators? Or is it just left vague as some general operation
 
@Phase composition
Didn't you learn what fog is in high school
 
fog?
 
I remember it confusing everyone. Now it seems trivial. Funny how that works.
 
Oh
Composite functions?
I've never seen that notation before
 
Yes
 
7:22 PM
so f o g is f(g)?
 
Anonymous
Yes
 
ty
 
Unless you're a combinatorialist
 
Anonymous
That sounds funny though
 
Anonymous
fog and gof :P
 
7:23 PM
in which case?
 
@0ßelö7 water vapor, mostly. What has that got to do with anything?
 
@ACuriousMind boo.
 
fog gof
Misty Goths
Im confused then
what does it mean to have two linear operators U and T, and have U o T?
U applied to T after it's applied to some space?
 
Anonymous
In mathematics, the composition operator C ϕ {\displaystyle C_{\phi }} with symbol ϕ {\displaystyle \phi } is a linear operator defined by the rule C ϕ ( f ) = f ∘ ϕ {\displaystyle C_{\phi }(f)=f\circ \phi } where f ∘ ϕ {\displaystyle f\circ \phi } ...
 
Anonymous
In mathematics, function composition is the pointwise application of one function to the result of another to produce a third function. For instance, the functions f : X → Y and g : Y → Z can be composed to yield a function which maps x in X to g(f(x)) in Z. Intuitively, if z is a function of y, and y is a function of x, then z is a function of x. The resulting composite function is denoted g ∘ f : X → Z, defined by (g ∘ f )(x) = g(f(x)) for all x in X. The notation g ∘ f is read as "g circle f ", or "g round f ", or "g composed with f ", "g after f ", "g following f ", or "g of f", or "g on f...
 
7:25 PM
Like $U(T(V)) = V'$ where V is a vector space
is that U o T?
 
No, that's $U\circ T$ applied to $V$, i.e. $(U\circ T)(V)$
 
Thats what I meant I messed up the question, if you're just responding to my lack of (V) in "is that U o T"
 
@Phase I am. A function is different from the function applied to something.
 
What's the reason for the symbol though? Can't you just have UT? Why U o T?
 
Anonymous
Just notation I guess
 
Anonymous
7:27 PM
There might be some historical reason
 
One more question
 
@Phase It is often omitted if it is unambiguous, but if both $U$ and $T$ are functions on the same space $X\to X$ (and there is mulitplication in $X$, e.g. if $U,T$ are both real-valued functions on the reals), then it is ambiguous whether $(UT)(x)$ is meant to be $(U\circ T)(x)$ or pointwise multiplication $U(x) \cdot T(x)$
 
What effect does U have it maps a space to itself?
*if it maps a space to itself
 
Oh, you seem to be misunderstanding function notation
 
o shit hang on
was i misunderstanding it? Does $U_1$ only map $H_1$ to $H_1$ like a unitary matrix where $H_1$ is it's eigen...space?
 
7:31 PM
Given a source $S$ and a target $T$, a function $f$ is something that can take any element $s\in S$ and splits out an element $f(s)\in T$. We write that as $f : S\to T, s\mapsto f(s)$, and if we don't want to specify what $f$ actually does, we often omit the latter part.
 
I like to think I understood that beforehand, did I make a notation error in one of my questions?
 
So when I write $U_1 : H_1 \to H_1$ I mean that $U_1$ is a function that takes elements of $H_1$ as input and outputs other elements of $H_1$.
 
wait, so like a rotation?
or any operation in a closed space?
 
Maybe? It could be anything unless I say anything more specific about $U_1$.
 
Anonymous
That could be an example. Yes
 
7:33 PM
In your case, $U_1$ is specified to be an "invertible linear operator", which is a definition you might want to revise.
 
wait so
$U_1$ can change the order of the elements, as long as the set of elements is unchanged?
 
I don't understand the question. Where is there an order?
 
Anonymous
@Phase What do you mean by order?
 
Not order to the sets sorry, that was dumb of me to say
I mean like
 
Anonymous
It takes an element in $H_1$ and returns an element of $H_1$
 
Anonymous
7:34 PM
That's it
 
taking y = f(x), and then comparing it to f(-x)
as in the.. order of y points in the function..?
 
What do you mean by "comparing"?
 
Well
bad choice of words..
 
What's an $y$ point? I feel you are not thinking sufficiently abstractly about what a function is
 
Im bad at communicating
Ok so say a function maps a domain to a range
If the function changes such that a different point in the domain gets mapped to a point in the range
But the domain and range are still the same
That could be $U_1$?
 
7:36 PM
sry
 
for what?
:o
You're humouring my stupid questions so dont apologise :0
 
I've been told that asking "what?" without giving more helpful feedback is a slightly rude habit I should drop.
 
Ok let me try actually writing it with symbols
 
Anonymous
Perhaps you should take an example. :P Say $H_1$ is just $\Bbb R^2$. An element in it would be $a \hat{i} + b \hat{j}$. Then $U_1$ (say) would take in $a \hat{i} + b \hat{j}$ and return $b \hat{i} + a \hat{j}$. $b \hat{i} + a \hat{j}$ is also an element of $\Bbb R^2$
 
I was trying to make an example with simple functions, because I get that, but wanted to make sure I had an idea with the basics too
so uh
 
7:38 PM
@Phase Please do - currently I don't know what you mean by "the function changes"
 
Anonymous
We supposed that $U_1$ is an operator which interchanges $x$ and $y$ coordinates.
 
whats mathjax for the mapping arrow
 
@Phase \mapsto for $\mapsto$, \to for $\to$
 
Anonymous
lol
 
Anonymous
I use \rightarrow for that
 
7:39 PM
Why would you ever type rightarrow instead of to? :P
(these do the exact same thing)
 
Anonymous
Ah...I didn't know that \to works
 
Anonymous
:P
 
Honestly
Im not gonna finish writing it
I realise now that maybe my question was just so mundane that it was hard to understand
 
Anonymous
Did you see my example?
 
and that my question has the answer in it's definition
Yeah but I got that part,
I was just confused about how general it was
The whole invertible linear operator part tho
Nvm
ty
This next question is gonna be really dumb but
 
Anonymous
7:44 PM
@Phase Are you a physics undergraduate student?
 
This same image
Does U_1 have to actually be anything special if the vector space is closed? Or would every possible non-singular operator be valid as a substitution for U?
 
@Phase What is a singular operator and what does it mean for a vector space to be closed?
 
Anonymous
You mean closed under addition and scalar multiplication?
 
Non-singular i.e. Det(T) != 0, and closed as in every operation you can do in the space maps an element to another element of the same space
Idk man i'm a retard
 
Anonymous
Okay, so you meant what I mentioned.
 
Anonymous
7:48 PM
Hmm
 
@Phase I usually call that "invertible" not "non-singular", and I'm confused as to how you would write down a non-closed vector space.
That is, a vector space that isn't "closed" simply isn't a vector space
 
Idk, what about the space of vectors with norm less than 10
 
Yeah, that's not a vector space
 
rip
 
Anonymous
Did you mean subspace? @Phase
 
Anonymous
7:55 PM
Perhaps you should ask more clearly
 
8:09 PM
i think im just gonna give up on the questions for a while
 
Have a rest and come back to it, pal :-)
 
Thanks for the encouragement but nah some things aren't worth coming back to
 
Could someone briefly review this paper of mine? (researchgate.net/publication/…) I'm curious about your comments...
 
Anonymous
@Phase This thing is definitely worth coming back to.
 
You never know @Phase our minds work on these kinds of things subconsciously, you may get a "flash" of brilliance...
 
8:14 PM
i dont mean Linear algebra
 
...give it time.
 
I think I just mean questions and stuff in general
 
@Phase I think you may just need to slow down - when you've got a question, go through each concept in it and make sure you can explain every one of it. Many questions then either dissolve themselves or you find out the thing you're actually confused about
 
Idk, it's nothing like that
just my own personal relationship with physics and the outside world lol
 
I think I found an equation to calculate the dark energy mass in per 299 792 458 m^3, don't you have any comments?
 
Anonymous
8:19 PM
@mertyildiran You might have to wait for receiving comments.
 
Sleep on it @Phase
 
@Blue oh OK, I will be waiting...
 
Guys, from the following three books, do you recommend having any of these as a hard copy?
Taylor - Classical Mechanics
Schroeder - Introduction to Thermal Physics
Hook - Solid State Physics
 
Anonymous
I starred your message. I hope someone will have a look at it and give you feedback. :) The title of the papers sounds interesting though.
 
I have to order my books, but I don't know if I should download them or get the hard copy
 
8:20 PM
Just find some dodgy Indian university's scanning of it online as a pdf
that's what i did with Shankar.
 
all of them?
 
Anonymous
You'll find them on libgen
 
Idk, I dont really see the point of physical books but I do have an s7 so the screen is more than sufficient to read stuff from
 
hm right
I prefer pdf too actually, but somehow I can't help but think that a hard copy is "superior" :P
 
Anonymous
@Phase I don't feel like I've studied properly till I have filled my book with pen and pencil marks. :P
 
8:22 PM
I usually write like latex notes in my e-books, so that's probably better than the hard copy
 
alright, then I'm not going to waste like 500 euros for this semester
 
Thats good because I think Wolfram has a discount
500 euros for 2 days of Pro
 
loll
I could also buy food with that money, so I'm good
 
Food is good :-)
 
8:24 PM
good food is
 
Anonymous
I didn't quite like Hook's book though. Neamen is better. :)
 
You can use libgen for Shankar, piratebay for Mathematica and the remaining money for food
 
loooolll
sounds legit to me
and what remaining money? you mean all money :P
 
wish there was a way to pirate food too
 
gmo?:P
 
Anonymous
8:25 PM
@ııııııııııııııııııııııı Damn you. Last time for you my pc got infected with virus (when I downloaded Matlab from Piratebay) XD
 
There is a way to pirate food
 
Anonymous
Don't listen to Mostafa
 
Anonymous
lol
 
@Phase grow it in your garden?
or just plain stealing
idk
 
Mix your food into a paste-ball
and then just decompose it and put together 2 new foodballs
of the same volume
 
8:27 PM
:-/
 
@Blue You've probably done something wrong...probably downloading from an unreliable source. check if it has a lot of people downloading it and then download
 
I read it in "Banach-Tarski's Kitchen Recipes"
 
Anonymous
@ııııııııııııııııııııııı There were only 2 sources for Matlab. And you were the one who gave me the download link. :d
 
nn
 
8:28 PM
@Phase Actually yes. there is. Using online food ordering websites
There are occasionally discount codes (ranging from 20% up to 50% or even 90% sometimes)
if you find a way to generate them you'll have pirated food
 
Anonymous
That would probably be stock clearance sale
 
Anonymous
lol
 
Anonymous
90%
 
@Blue I've seen even %99 codes
 
I'm done with writing garbage
Time to watch actual garbage
 
8:31 PM
@rob lol I pissed off a governor's chair
@rob I explained it to 7 people
 
@0ßelö7 how come
 
In our university we have a Telegram group for it, where students are constantly looking for discount codes (for every online service) and share, or if possible, generate
I almost always order food with at least %25 discount
 
@BalarkaSen some professor started talking to me and I asked how much GR she knew,
She said she was pretty familiar
So I was curious and asked where from
She basically exploded and said she was in the PDE group (I've never seen her at the meetings)
 
looool
 
Turns out she's a big shot
 
8:36 PM
well eh tbh that might or might not be overreaction depending on what your tone was
or what amount of explosion it was
I would generally expect a snide comment along the lines of GR is basically their research subject :P
 
@BalarkaSen fluid seminar was pretty good. The guy came afterwards (with my advisor and the new GA profs) and looked at my poster and said I should get it published
@BalarkaSen she pointed at someone else's poster and said "I'm that name"
She totally expected me to know her and her name. Never heard of her.
 
that's not much of an explosion
 
@BalarkaSen it was a violent point
In any case, my poster went well
 
lol oh well. still a funny incident
Glad that your poster made fame
(y)
 
(Y)?
 
8:39 PM
thumbs up emoji
 
Anonymous
What was the poster about? @0ßelö7
 
@BalarkaSen thanks.
@Blue now that I know it has publishing ability, I can no longer distribute it, sorry
 
Anonymous
@0ßelö7 I'm just asking what the topic was...
 
Top secret now
 
Anonymous
Okay...
 
Anonymous
8:40 PM
:P
 
@BalarkaSen you would have been horrified by the seminar. The main result was an inequality involving 7 norms
 
@0ßelö7 So you're saying I can blackmail you now? :)
 
@ACuriousMind you're never going to read it so I think I'm safe
 
I don't need to read it, just distribute it
 
(lool)
 
Anonymous
8:42 PM
Aug 22 at 16:05, by 0celóñe7
@Slereah how do I explain what spacetime is on a poster
 
Oh god
 
Anonymous
Jul 30 at 18:25, by 0celóñe7
@ACuriousMind Can you explain how to do a math research poster?
 
Anonymous
Ah, so I get the context
 
NEVER try to explain what a Lorentzian manifold is to a normie
Don't even bother.
 
experience points over 9000
 
8:44 PM
Apparently people don't know that R^n is a vector space
Or what R^n is
 
Anonymous
I didn't know what it was till a couple of weeks back :p
 
David Mumford has a good article somewhere about how Nature rejected his article he wrote on the work of Alexander Grothendieck for the general public
 
Anonymous
@ııııııııııııııııııııııı Another -+++ meme
 
Anonymous
;)
 
he got shocked by the fact that STEM people don't understand polynomials
 
8:47 PM
@BalarkaSen "do you know what Euclidean space is" "no" "do you know what a vector space is" "no" "did you take linear algebra" "yes" "ok, so?" "I hated the class"
 
Anonymous
lol
 
sad
 
@ACuriousMind Did you not see the flag? Please remove that.
 
@0ßelö7 It is neither spam nor offensive, so that was not an appropriate use of flags.
Why do you want it removed?
 
@ACuriousMind I couldn't do a custom flag on mobile
@ACuriousMind Principle. I said I don't want it in here
 
8:50 PM
@0ßelö7 "did you pass the course?" "yes" "who was the (......) instructor?"
@0ßelö7 The Introduction part of the poster?
 
dude you actually flagged that
 
@BalarkaSen "have you heard of Newtonian mechanics" "no"
@BalarkaSen of course
@ACuriousMind it's still there
 
@0ßelö7 Technically, you have granted an irrevocable cc-by-sa licence to SE to use that image by uploading it to chat.
 
Everybody download that before it's deleted
 
Anonymous
lol, ACM is already blackmailing you ;) (Just joking)
 
8:52 PM
@ACuriousMind I didn't upload it, someone hacked my account and uploaded it.
 
I'm going to remove it, but as a favour - I want to be clear that you can not generally expect us to remove things you post retroactively on demand
 
what a troll discussion lol
 
As long as @ııııııııııııııııııııııı doesn't ignore my wishes we won't have an issue
@BalarkaSen Be Nice
 
Anonymous
I downloaded it. XD
 
@0ßelö7 what's this image?
 
8:55 PM
If I had trump money I would hunt you down @Blue
 
Anonymous
Use a capital 'T', dude :'D
 
Trump money is almost like God church
 
@Blue presumably 0ßelö7 means that he'd hunt you down if he had more money than you (thereby trumping the money you have).
 
Anonymous
@EmilioPisanty I was trying to make a pun...:p
 
@Blue what, your pun got trumped?
 
Anonymous
8:57 PM
yeah, by you...lol
 
@EmilioPisanty what?
 
@ACuriousMind So, technically @Blue can upload it again, right?
 
@0ßelö7 why did you want an image removed?
 
Principle
 
8:58 PM
I said I didn't want my poster distributed and someone put up a picture
 
@ııııııııııııııııııııııı I am now noticing that he did not, in fact, upload it to SE's imgur but to gyazo.
 
and is it that one ↑?
 
What the fuck
 
@0ßelö7 No, someone cited you putting up the picture yourself
 
8:59 PM
@ACuriousMind so it's my IP? Please delete all mentions of it then
 
@0ßelö7 I asked what image you were talking about and why you didn't want it distributed and you didn't answer
 
this trolling is getting extreme
 
@0ßelö7 Handling copyright is not a moderator's job. Send a DMCA takedown request to SE if that's your argument. I'd prefer we all just drop the issue, though.
 
@ACuriousMind please send me the link for that
 
@ACuriousMind you can delete my post above if you want
 
9:02 PM
@0ßelö7 You can upload it to arXiv before others do :P
 
i'm gonna go play undertale
pls continue shitposting
 
@ACuriousMind Speaking of DMCA
 
@EmilioPisanty Interesting
 
yeah
I'm trying to figure out what the image was
huh
 
I wouldn't have thought that "a photograph of a laser beam split by a diffraction grating" clears the threshhold of originality to be copyrighted unless it was particularly artistic
@EmilioPisanty You can't, there are special "redaction" tools to hard-delete such stuff from the revision history
 
9:09 PM
@ACuriousMind yeah, I figured there would be, but at least I wanted to see which post this was on
was OP notified that the image was removed?
 
I have no idea
This image from this post was removed to comply with a DMCA request. Please do not edit it back in. — Jaydles ♦ Mar 29 '13 at 21:11
Maybe I do have an idea :P
 
@ACuriousMind huh
that's what I get for speaking before I look
 
@ACuriousMind Must I argue that my account was hacked and the images posted without my consent?
 
@0ßelö7 I would advise against lying.
 
@ACuriousMind Who said I'm lying?
 
9:33 PM
@ACuriousMind is the inf of the empty set infinity?
 
Sid
How? I thought it shouldn't exist
 
Anonymous
In mathematics, the affinely extended real number system is obtained from the real number system ℝ by adding two elements: + ∞ and – ∞ (read as positive infinity and negative infinity respectively). These new elements are not real numbers. It is useful in describing various limiting behaviors in calculus and mathematical analysis, especially in the theory of measure and integration. The affinely extended real number system is denoted R ¯ {\displaystyle {\overline {\mathbb...
 
@Sid The definition of the infimum is that it is the largest extended real that's smaller than every number in the set. But "being smaller than every number in the set" is vacuously true if the set is the empty set, so the definition reduces to "the largest extended real", aka $\infty$
 
@Blue boring
the long line is better
In topology, the long line (or Alexandroff line) is a topological space somewhat similar to the real line, but in a certain way "longer". It behaves locally just like the real line, but has different large-scale properties (e.g., it is neither Lindelöf nor separable). Therefore, it serves as one of the basic counterexamples of topology. Intuitively, the usual real-number line consists of a countable number of line segments [0, 1) laid end-to-end, whereas the long line is constructed from an uncountable number of such segments. == Definition == The closed long ray L is defined as the carte...
 
9:44 PM
It's also more useless, though :P
 
Sid
@ACuriousMind I don't quite get you. Empty set is...empty. so, basically we have to get something smaller than nothing which ideally shouldn't be possible...
 
@Sid This is mathematical logic, not common sense, so we have vacuous truth - every statement is true when made about the elements of the empty set.
 
Anonymous
@Sid Notice the phrase "vacuously true"
 
it's a case of the vacuous hypothesis
you cannot justify it, it is a convention
 
Anonymous
Yeah, it's a convention. Stupid conventions.
 
Anonymous
9:46 PM
(Ok, it is useful sometimes)
 
Anonymous
:p
 
Sid
Oh..duh. You used "vacuously true" - I missed that
Maybe, that's why we should sleep at 3 AM and not try to understand Maths
 
@ACuriousMind do you know about noncompact Hodge decompositions?
 
nope
 
@ACuriousMind mind unstarring that untruth over there?
thanks
 

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