The h Bar

John Rennie

3:00 PM

@BalarkaSen twice as many people think you're a cock?

AccidentalFourierTransform

@Mostafaııııııııııııııııııııııı nice, I've updated the meta post

Черенки

@0celóñe7 so can you give the name of the books to someone who does not know the books

Balarka Sen

@JohnRennie haha

ACuriousMind

@Черенки What he wrote down are the authors of the books. Where they have written several, the phrase in brackets is enough to identify the correct one.

Черенки

@ACuriousMind are those books a collaboration or is it 1 book per writer?

0celóñe7

3:02 PM

single author

AccidentalFourierTransform

1 book per book

0celóñe7

I forgot functional analysis though

Pick your poison there

Yosida, Rudin, Conway (functional)

AccidentalFourierTransform

Joseph Smith (The Book of Mormon)

Черенки

these are books to read so i can grasp qm and gr

right?

0celóñe7

well, for GR you need a lot more

Mostafaııııııııııııııııııııııı

3:05 PM

@0celóñe7 Kreyszig

0celóñe7

at least 3 books on Sobolev spaces

@Mostafaııııııııııııııııııııııı that's a meme book

Черенки

@0celóñe7 the book by abbott is flatland right?

AccidentalFourierTransform

^_^

0celóñe7

@Черенки Uh, no, "understanding analysis"

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 Remember that what you call GR is not what the average physicist will call GR ;P

0celóñe7

3:06 PM

@ACuriousMind Oh, he just wants average physicist GR?

@Черенки Read Hartle

I don't think it has prerequisites

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 Well, I think that might be the working assumption when someone comes to a physics chat asking to learn GR

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind most of us are mathematicians though

the chat regulars (you, me, @AccidentalFourierTransform, @BalarkaSen) are, at least

ACuriousMind

If I'm wrong, and you, @Черенки, actually want to learn fully mathematical GR, then please correct me

Черенки

you are wrong :P

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 Neither me nor AFT are mathematicians, we just have a higher-than-average love of mathematics

Mostafaııııııııııııııııııııııı

3:08 PM

@ACuriousMind yes. I feel obligated to actually mention that I love Shankar's QM, as an introductory text. That photo was merely a joke (please forgive me for that, Shankar)

0celóñe7

@Черенки You want to learn mathematical GR?

AccidentalFourierTransform

@ACuriousMind speak for yourself I loath mathematics

ACuriousMind

@AccidentalFourierTransform you're just in denial

Balarka Sen

I am not a mathematician. I just don't know anything other than mathematics.

2

Черенки

@0celóñe7 yes

Balarka Sen

3:09 PM

It's controversial that if I even know mathematics.

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen The weird literature that you read falls in the category of math then. XD

Balarka Sen

oh i meant academically

0celóñe7

@Черенки Ah, well then

I can make a list

Balarka Sen

i take huge proud in knowing a lot of dank memes

Черенки

@0celóñe7 if you have time

why not

0celóñe7

3:11 PM

@Черенки I've been meaning to write this list

It includes books to read and references

God knows I haven't read all of these

books I know what's in all of them and have used them

Черенки

@0celóñe7 is it a list that is legible to homosapiens?

ACuriousMind

No, you have to be homo sapiens sapiens

Anonymous

Depends on the type of homo sapien.

AccidentalFourierTransform

emphasis on homo

Черенки

@Blue i meant the list not the books

Balarka Sen

3:13 PM

i'd make a goku joke but that'd sound lame

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen Goku? Dragon Ball?

Balarka Sen

yes. one of the major meme animes in history

Anonymous

Aaaaaaah. I loved Dragon Ball as a child. They stopped streaming it on TV ;-;

AccidentalFourierTransform

IMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR

►

Anonymous

I watched upto the Majin Buu episodes iirc

Balarka Sen

3:17 PM

^ see?

Anonymous

hehe

Anonymous

That's Cell

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Why does everything have to be a "meme"? The word has lost all meaning.

Черенки

@0celóñe7 can you mention me if you send the list pls

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind Not everything is memable.

0celóñe7

3:21 PM

@ACuriousMind oh please

What do you think the word means?

Черенки

@0celóñe7 will you send the list?

Balarka Sen

The most hit meme from DBZ is "It's over 9000"

user21820

@skullpatrol: My informative post got trashed even before I could reply to you. Oh well. Sometimes I cannot understand why crank advertisements are allowed to stay while objections are not.

AccidentalFourierTransform

Sometimes I cannot understand why 0celo7 is allowed to stay while John Duffield is not.

Anonymous

Don't mention the name. You run the risk of getting banned. :P

ACuriousMind

3:25 PM

@0celóñe7 Originally it was supposed to mean "cultural analogue to gene". Then it came to mean "funny pictures on the internet with semi-standardized text". Now it seems to mean something akin to "pop culture reference" as far as I can tell, where the pop culture itself partly consists of the pictures.

AccidentalFourierTransform

yeah memes are a meme

how bout dat

Balarka Sen

Relevant to all you physicists

user21820

@AccidentalFourierTransform To lighten the mood, here's a fun video:

The Backwards Brain Bicycle - Smarter Every Day 133

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skullpatrol

John Mellencamp - Authority Song

►

AccidentalFourierTransform

I seen it

0celóñe7

3:32 PM

@ACuriousMind can we please make it a global rule to alert people to YT videos

skullpatrol

Authority always wins.

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 I'm not sure what you mean by alerting people

Anonymous

Has over-the-air wireless charging been commercialized yet? I keep seeing/hearing Apple and some other companies claim that they'll be implementing it in their next flagship.

Anonymous

I wonder how they would reduce the flux loss

John Rennie

@blue: presumably you mean beaming the wireless charging over a distance, not just using a wireless charging pad. The latter have been around for years.

Anonymous

3:36 PM

@JohnRennie The former. Yes

Anonymous

Making the latter is quite easy :P

John Rennie

@Blue As far as I'm aware no-one has got it to work in any useful way.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Yup. Seems so. I've been looking around the net for ways to reduce the flux loss.

skullpatrol

Sounds inherently unsafe.

Anonymous

MIT students made some cool progress in 2013-14

Anonymous

3:39 PM

@skullpatrol Hmm, that too

Anonymous

Another problem

John Rennie

@skullpatrol you do wonder what happens if you walk between the wireless power source and the device that's receiving the charge. Would you get charged instead? Wouldn't that be a bit like walking into a running microwave oven? :-)

skullpatrol

Yup :-)

John Rennie

I'm sure that happened in one of the original Star Trek episodes and the red shirt involved got vapourised :-)

Anonymous

mit.edu/~soljacic/wireless_power.html

0celóñe7

3:40 PM

@ACuriousMind making a spoiler warning type thing

ACuriousMind

@JohnRennie I'd wager they use frequencies that are also used for WiFi etc. that do not significantly interact with living matter

skullpatrol

You don't like mellencamp? @0celóñe7

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 Oh, you mean not one-boxing the videos?

John Rennie

Not that anyone is interested, but the Star Trek episode where the crewman is vapourised by a wireless transmission beam is The Ultimate Computer.

ACuriousMind

@JohnRennie I'm surprised it is only one episode. I wonder if they had an obligation to come up with a different technobabble explanation for why this week's redshirt got vaporized each time?

0celóñe7

3:52 PM

@ACuriousMind or oneboxing every video

I'm tired of clicking on links when on mobile and some YT video plays

John Rennie

@ACuriousMind I imagine it would make the editorial meetings quite amusing. Sitting round a table drinking and planning how to vapourise people. It sounds a fun pastime to me :-)

ACuriousMind

@JohnRennie It's certainly better than being the poor guy who gets vaporized. "I got you a role on Star Trek!" - "Great, what do I portray?" - "You get vaporized in the opening scene."

skullpatrol

They literally worked on vaporizing people at Los Alamos.

ACuriousMind

@skullpatrol Your point being?

@0celóñe7 Hover over links if it bothers you (at least on my phone I can determine the target of a link by long-pressing it instead of a short tap).

skullpatrol

Reality can be stranger than science fiction sometimes.

John Rennie

4:01 PM

@skullpatrol not really. Atomic bombs don't vapourise much - just their immediate vicinity. Most of the destruction is due to a regular shock wave. A large shock wave!

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind I don't think that trick works for all phones. Are you using an iphone?

ACuriousMind

@Blue No, Android

May not be a feature of the OS but of me using Firefox, though

Anonymous

On my S7 it doesn't work (Chrome)

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind Ah, probably

ACuriousMind

You cannot open a context menu for a link where you could see its target and choose whether to e.g. copy it or open it in a new tab instead of the current tab?

John Rennie

4:04 PM

@Blue as I recall Chrome gives you an open in new tab option but doesn't actually tell you what the link is.

skullpatrol

The test-blast melted a football field worth of dessert sand into glass.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Yes. That it does!

Physics Meta

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Q: Closing Deleted Duplicates

When looking at this question you can see discussion about the closure of this question. Specifically, it quickly got custom flagged as "Duplicate of deleted question by the same user." In terms of actual site performance, this question is mostly semantics; but I am still curious on the procedu...

John Rennie

@skullpatrol melt \ne vapourise

dmckee

@DawoodibnKareem The social/legal mechanism that enforces the distinction between 'real degrees' and worthless pieces of fancy paper is that governments and employers care about accreditation of schools.

skullpatrol

4:06 PM

sand \ne human beings

ACuriousMind

@JohnRennie One more reason to use Firefox! :P

Secret

The only real authority in reality is truth and extremely elaborated falsehood. That is to say, authority is any laws that will kill us if we disobey them

John Rennie

@ACuriousMind browser wars!! :-) Fight, fight!!

dmckee

It is sometimes a criminal act or a civil fraud to present an un-accredited degree as equivalent to an accredited one for the purposes of obtaining employment, and it is almost always grounds for termination if nothing else.

Secret

In other words, the only real authority is natural selection (because we cannot speak if we are dead)

skullpatrol

4:07 PM

Big fight on Saturday night!

ACuriousMind

@Secret that doesn't make any sense. You cannot "disobey" natural selection, it's a principle that operates on populations, not individuals.

Likewise, you cannot "disobey" the truth. Or, if you count lying as disobeying it, then you are evidently wrong because there's a whole lot of non-dead liars around.

Secret

Well, in history some tried to defy being selected in some rough sense (e.g. all those search for eternal youth, consuming panacea that is otherwise made of toxic ingridients that don't work etc.), and they are all dead

> then you are evidently wrong because there's a whole lot of non-dead liars around.
This is the reason why I cannot just say truth and must forced to include the concept falsehood in that sentence

Anyway, a more coherent version is basically the answer here:

3

Q: How are beliefs restricted by an objective reality?

Consider the following belief A human can survive if they don't drink water for 1000 days We knew from biology that this is practically improbable as there are very few people who can survive for 18 days without water (Andreas Mihavecz in 1979). However, there are also beliefs that are unr...

epistemology metaphysics belief

There are truth and falsehoods that kill us if we deny them, and there are those that don't

skullpatrol

Karma catches-up to liars.

Secret

So in some possibly abusing of terminology sense, those that kill us are like an absolute authority that we cannot disobey else we are dead

Not sure if that metaphor(?) is clear

Anonymous

@skullpatrol lol.

Anonymous

4:14 PM

That's so naive.

skullpatrol

That's just the way I am, pal.

Secret

If there exists any truth that can be challenged, then we would have expected magic dominates our society and not science, but science is shown to work all the time, which means any well established truth cannot be denied (even though we can never speak of it directly, but only modelled them approximately by better and better physics models, if you get what I mean)

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind It's only a principle as long as you believe it's a principle, though? To someone who is not aware of it, it's not a principle :P

ACuriousMind

@Secret No, it's entirely unclear to me. Sure, there are some beliefs that, if you act upon them, lead to your death. I have no idea what that has to do with "authority" or "obeying", though.

Secret

If you act on a belief, isn't that the same as obeying it in some generalised sense, and thus if you choose not to act on it, it is the same as disobeying it.

Unless, the notion of authority only make sense for individuals or groups, not concepts or natural laws

Anonymous

4:17 PM

@skullpatrol You need to look at examples of people who keep suffering even when they are completely innocent. And on the other hand you have bloody criminals never getting caught. Karma is a myth.

skullpatrol

Death and authority always win.

ACuriousMind

@Secret Of course well-established truths can be denied. Cf. e.g. young-earth creationism, many conspiracy theories, people claiming GR is wrong, etc.

Prathyush Poduval

@Blue Karma is a lie, which is meant to keep people in line

Secret

Those are the cases where denying does not lead to death. But for things like "falling into lava will cook you", should you deny that, it is certain death

ACuriousMind

@Secret The latter. I have no idea what you mean by "authority" or "obeying". To "obey" means to follow an instruction, such as a law about behaviour passes by some authority. "True" statements are not instructions (or prohibitions), so you can't obey them.

Anonymous

4:19 PM

@PrathyushPoduval Exactly

Balarka Sen

It is unclear which statements are true, though.

ACuriousMind

@Secret No, I can perfectly well hold the belief "Falling into lava is not deadly" and then spend my entire life without jumping into lava (if only because I never actually get close to lava).

John Rennie

Or you might believe that falling into lava is not deadly but is very painful

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen I mean 'is' statements as opposed to 'ought' statements, if you want to be nitpicky.

Balarka Sen

Ok, fair

skullpatrol

4:21 PM

Life is short.

Secret

@ACuriousMind Right not acting opposite to the belief will not kill you, but if denying and acting on what you deny it will most certainly kill you even if you deny it

@ACuriousMind Right, you have a point, in that case the notion of authority really don't make sense if the thing is a natural law or a proposition

ACuriousMind

@Secret Yes, but someone believing that lava is deadly and then stepping into it by accident will also die. It's not the belief that kills you, it's the action.

Sure, some beliefs can lead to deadly actions with a higher frequency.

But I don't think you have to make a giant metaphysical notion out of that.

Secret

Right, in that case it is not really belief, but the action itself, which if some objective reality exists, means it is tied to some natural laws. That inability to not suffer the consequence of the action when performing it is one reason they felt analogous to an authority who when disobeyed will surely kill the offenders

Or put it simply, nobody has the freedom to choose not to suffer from performing an action that will kill them, so to speak

I think this alone is probably why science is such a good description of reality as we observed so far as a society

Jaime Gallego

Hello folks.

Sorry hbarians, these weeks have been crazy and I could not add much to the h bar.

@AccidentalFourierTransform I need to ask you a question about the UAM.

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego What's UAM?

Anonymous

4:32 PM

Autonomous University of Madrid

The Autonomous University of Madrid (Spanish: Universidad Autónoma de Madrid; informally La Autónoma), commonly known by the Spanish acronym UAM, is a Spanish public university established in 1968. It is located in northern Madrid; its main campus, Cantoblanco, is located near the cities of Alcobendas, San Sebastián de los Reyes and Tres Cantos. Throughout its history, UAM has been one of Spain's most prominent higher education institutions, being ranked first amongst Spanish universities by the El Mundo University Supplement (known as "Las 50 Carreras"), by The Times Higher Education Supplement...

Anonymous

?

Jaime Gallego

An university in Madrid

Aye

I'm founding this cryptography club

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego Wow. Have you already joined?

Anonymous

Haven't heard from you for long

Jaime Gallego

And for that I will have to put up some posters in libraries and stuff

Anonymous

4:34 PM

Did you drop your plan of going to the States?

Jaime Gallego

Yeah, I already registered madridcrypto.club

And other media

No

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego "No" to which question?

Jaime Gallego

I will enslave my teachers to write rec letters

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego Heh, as transfer student?

Jaime Gallego

@Blue The US thing

@Blue Freshman! Still in HS

Anonymous

4:37 PM

Oh. I see. Good luck for next year

Jaime Gallego

Thanks. And how are you doing there in India?

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego Already in university :) (Electronics engineering)

Anonymous

Session started a few weeks back

Jaime Gallego

@Blue Nice. Many of my classmates are also going that path. We're an engineer bunch.

@BernardoMeurer New phone?

Sierra Sorongon

Wow

ACuriousMind

4:43 PM

Wow?

@JaimeGallego He's also not been in here much recently, having moved to SB and stuff

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego Same here. Most of my friends either went for engineering or medical. I wanted to go for pure physics but was forced into engineering. :P

Sierra Sorongon

I was amaza @JaimeGallego cause he's an engineering student

Jaime Gallego

@SierraSorongon Physics actually, but it's pretty much the same thing.

:)

Sierra Sorongon

Yess😂😂😂

ACuriousMind

@JaimeGallego ::ahem::

Anonymous

4:45 PM

lol ^ :P

Anonymous

: ahem :

ACuriousMind

I refuse to be called an engineer and the engineers I know wouldn't want to be confused with me, either :P

Jaime Gallego

@ACuriousMind Zill has Engineering on its title and undergrads love it!

ACuriousMind

@JaimeGallego No idea what Zill is

Balarka Sen

Zill conveys a sense of zeal to them, then, I guess.

High fives? Come on? Nobody?

Jaime Gallego

4:49 PM

@ACuriousMind Advanced Engineering Mathematics

Loong

@JaimeGallego That sounds like barbecue for vegetarians.

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind you're damn right

you're a mathematician

@JaimeGallego how is it you manage to look completely different in each profile picture

Jaime Gallego

@0celóñe7 I'm Bourbaki

0celóñe7

quick, what is the automorphism group of $\mathrm{Diff}(S^7)$ with the standard structure

Bourbaki would know

Jaime Gallego

@Loong Your Griffith is a hamster and Feynman smelled of elderberries.

AccidentalFourierTransform

5:00 PM

@JaimeGallego hello there

Anonymous

@ACuriousMind Engineering has become a very vague term nowadays....with fields like Quantum Engineering, Engineering Physics, etc coming up. If you mean EEs/MEs/Civil engineers (the core branches), then yes. They can't be called physicists.

0celóñe7

what is engineering physics even supposed to be

Anonymous

@0celóñe7 Applied Physics

0celóñe7

that term has been around for 30 years btw

my dad got his MS in that...he's no physicist

@Blue how is applied physics different from engineering

Anonymous

@0celóñe7 It's a hodge-podge degree tbh. It's a mixture of EE+ME+CS+Physics

0celóñe7

5:02 PM

no, his was very focused

Jaime Gallego

@AccidentalFourierTransform Could I pin posters at this time of year on the Facultad de Ciencias board?

On the UAM

AccidentalFourierTransform

I would say yes

but perhaps its best for you to wait a week or so

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind halp

Anonymous

@0celóñe7 I was speaking of the "Engineering Physics" degree in our country. Maybe in the US it has a different meaning

AccidentalFourierTransform

Im not sure August is the best month to do anything

1) they may be closed and 2) they may remove everything from the board for the new course

0celóñe7

5:04 PM

@ACuriousMind "In fact these matrices define a representation of degree 2 over any ring $R$, because although the rep was initially constructed over $\Bbb R$ the matrices have integer entries, and these may be interpreted in every ring"

Jaime Gallego

Hmm

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind By "interpreted" do they mean $\Bbb Z\ni k\mapsto k\cdot 1\in R$?

AHB

@PrathyushPoduval of course it does not! Mis-translating a part of a scientific text may mislead the reader and may make the problem unsolvable.

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 Probably, yes

Anonymous

@0celóñe7 What does he do nowadays?

0celóñe7

5:07 PM

@Blue retired now

no one knew what he did

shady government work

Anonymous

@0celóñe7 Maybe he was the Bond of US ;)

0celóñe7

no

Anonymous

@0celóñe7 How're you so sure? You just said no one knew what he did :P

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind can u look on page 3 of the rep theory book

AccidentalFourierTransform

best article ever

0celóñe7

5:18 PM

is that like a spanish email?

AccidentalFourierTransform

insert "only Mathematica users will get this" meme here

@EmilioPisanty will probably get it

Slereah

Krasnikov used to have a .su email on his old articles

(of the soviet union)

AccidentalFourierTransform

lol

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind I take your silence as a yes

he says that every ring $R$ allows for a rep of $S_3$, ok, but he says "copy"

Does he mean faithful?

John Rennie

BOOM! HNQ strikes again!

0celóñe7

5:22 PM

I find that pretty hard to believe for $\Bbb Z_2$

considering the matrices have three distinct entries

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 Yes. If you look closely, you'll see that all these matrices are distinct even for $\mathbb{Z}_2$ where $1=-1$.

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind Hmm

How would one prove that it is faithful for any ring?

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 The image of $\mathbb{Z}$ will always either be $\mathbb{Z}$ or one of the $\mathbb{Z}_n$. That it is distinct for $\mathbb{Z}$ and $n\neq 2$ follows from $1\neq -1$, and we just checked the case $n=2$ explicitly.

0celóñe7

proof?

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 Of the assertion about the image of $\mathbb{Z}$?

0celóñe7

5:30 PM

Yeah

Or is it Trivial

ACuriousMind

The image is clearly cyclic, i.e. has one generator. You determine its order $n$ to get an explicit isomorphism to either $\mathbb{Z}$ or $\mathbb{Z}_n$ by mapping that generator to 1.

0celóñe7

Of course

that's why I said Trivial

skullpatrol

Why do you capitalize the "t"?

0celóñe7

for the same reason I captialize the Evidence

skullpatrol

Trival Evidence

is

evidently trival

to Einstein

ACuriousMind

5:44 PM

@Qmechanic Are you sure making this a res. rec. question instead of editing out the request for papers and advising OP that a request for references is typically always implied was the right choice?

Because this way, it would not be a proper answer if someone actually answered the question instead of recommending a reference, and OP seems more interested in getting their specific question answered than in obtaining general references.

0celóñe7

6:02 PM

@Черенки *random algebra and linear algebra
Abbot “Understanding Analysis”
Munkres “Topology”
Jost “Postmodern Analysis” (0-11)
Halmos “Measure Theory”
DiBenedetto “Real Analysis”
Lee “Topological Manifolds”
Lee “Smooth Manifolds” (1-16)
Wald "General Relativity"
O’Neill “Semi-Riemannian Geometry”

start there

Halmos and DiBenedetto are probably too much for this

but you'd need them for QM so it's a good idea regardless

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen Are you free tomorrow morning? Or do you have school?

theDoctor

Anyone know the eqation for the inside of a sphere of radius r?

Balarka Sen

@Blue Not going school tomorrow.

0celóñe7

@BalarkaSen why

theDoctor

equation

0celóñe7

6:11 PM

are you skipping school

Balarka Sen

yes

Qmechanic

@ACuriousMind : No, you are right, I'm cutting corners. You are welcome to edit out the res. rec. subquestion, if you think it makes it a better post.

theDoctor

calculating gravity equation

hypothetical body

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen Oh. Then can we continue with LA in the morning (before 8 am) ? When do you wake up?

Balarka Sen

I wake up at awkward times. Certainly never in the morning.

Anonymous

6:13 PM

@BalarkaSen lol. Okay. Can't risk it then. Can we do LA now, then? :P

Balarka Sen

We can continue at a better date if you have work today

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen Nah. It's okay. I was just feeling a bit sleepy. But, LA is more important than my pesky sleep.

Anonymous

XD

Balarka Sen

I disagree but ok

ACuriousMind

@Qmechanic Okay, I've done so and left a comment for OP

Sid

6:55 PM

@0celóñe7 Skipping school is the best thing someone can do.

Schools don't do anything

0celóñe7

@Sid people who skip school do drugs and rob stores

good people don't skip school

Sid

High school was one of the worst time I had.

Learnt nothing great.

0celóñe7

maybe you should have eaten more fish

Sid

LOL

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind I have a professor who signs all of his emails with his first name only, but everyone calls him by his last name

should I just call him by his first name and see what happens?

ACuriousMind

7:00 PM

@Sid In that case you're attending a sorry excuse for a school :P

@0celóñe7 yes

0celóñe7

@ACuriousMind is this sarcasm

should I ask first?

ACuriousMind

@0celóñe7 No. If someone signs with their first name I'd have no qualms about calling them by it.

Of course you can ask first if you feel uncomfortable

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I really want to call elven lord by his first name because his last is simply impossible

Sid

@ACuriousMind it was apparently the "best school of the state"

0celo7

but he always signs with both names

@Sid sorry excuse for a state...

Well, you did say "nothing great," not "nothing at all"

Sid

7:03 PM

@0celo7 I sort of agree to that. :P

0celo7

@ACuriousMind do you ever have random mini math crises

ACuriousMind

@Sid And that's the point where I question both the criterion of "best" used there and what you meant by "Schools don't do anything". Do you mean you didn't learn anything or that you didn't particularly care for what you learnt?

@0celo7 Possibly, but I can't distinguish them from the overarching existential crisis that is my life :P

0celo7

aww

Balarka Sen

I do spite a lot of people who are better at math than me.

0celo7

so, Mike, ???

Qiaochu

Balarka Sen

7:07 PM

Hilbert

lol

0celo7

Qiaochu is incredible

Balarka Sen

yeah that guy is fantastic

0celo7

no matter what I look up on MO, he has an answer

Balarka Sen

I don't actually spite Mike because he's a good friend now.

0celo7

I used to spite people, then I started liking math no one here cares about

@BalarkaSen want some sets of finite perimeter?

Balarka Sen

7:09 PM

oh I actually accepted that as a viable solution, that's what I started studying foliations

primarily

@0celo7 No but I can give you some pseudo-Anosov foliations

0celo7

@BalarkaSen what are those?

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen I used to. But then I felt it is more productive to spend time with them than to spite them :P (Perhaps it is possible to do both at the same time...who knows XD)

0celo7

I spite my advisor because he gives me literally dozens of books and I can't/don't read them

not sure what he expects me to do

Balarka Sen

@0celo7 loooool

@Blue I dunno, I don't feel much motivation for being productive. The notion of productiveness seems pretty vacuous to me.

Sid

@ACuriousMind well, that is a tough one to answer. Basically, I was beyond thebpoint of caring what grades I received. I mean, it is not like I didn't learn anything, it was more because didn't really learn it in an "interactive (?)" Way

ACuriousMind

7:18 PM

@Sid I'm not sure I know what you mean by "interactive"

Anonymous

@BalarkaSen Productiveness provides satisfaction at the end of the day for sure

Anonymous

I strongly believe that if someone is the smartest person in the room, they are in the wrong room. :) So much to learn from everybody!

Sid

@ACuriousMind neither do i. I have the notion that people are taught in a much better way elsewhere

0celo7

@ACuriousMind see above: that's a spicy meme

A meme has to be a relevant reference + timing

Note that it's spicy, not dank. Those are distinct.

ACuriousMind

@Sid It's possible. The tiny glimpses I've gotten of the Indian education system through various conversations here would support that.

Jaime Gallego

7:30 PM

@BalarkaSen I concur it is buzzwordy, but productiveness isn't vacuous at all. Doing stuff that contributes to society is a noble goal and can be done in nonvague ways.

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 I have literally no idea what that video is about

Jaime Gallego

@Blue Indeed!

ACuriousMind

@Blue Ugh. Sometimes the smart person might be in the room just to have a pleasant conversation, not to learn something. :P

0celo7

@ACuriousMind :/

What do you do on the internet?

Besides dodge GOT spoilers

Balarka Sen

@JaimeGallego I do not feel nobility in contributing to the society. I do not feel like I should spend my life trying to do things that contributes to the society.

Whatever impression that might give of me, that's true.

I do not justify my existence as part of a contributing agent of a society, or more generally, the human civilization.

Anonymous

7:35 PM

@ACuriousMind True that. That would probably fall under the recreation/relaxation category. But again, too much of recreation/relaxation might be harmful. My point being, if you want to maximize your knowledge you should hang around with smarter guys. (Hope I'm being clear. Don't take that sentence too literally :P)

Anonymous

That said. I gotta go to sleep.

Anonymous

Yaaawwwwwnnnnnn

Sid

Sleeping too early?

Jaime Gallego

@BalarkaSen That's fair and a valid point. My view is that, although we are all eventually going to die, why not do this psychological trick that gives us some sense of happiness? If there is no difference, I prefer going for that path.

And if that lengthens our existence, I'm all for it.

Balarka Sen

@JaimeGallego Ok, so now you're talking about a sense of happiness or satisfaction like Blue said. That's a much better and understandable goal for me than to strive for the progress of human race. But I still don't find comfort in that notion, knowing that any notion of happiness is deeply rooted in base pleasures of human creatures.

ACuriousMind

7:39 PM

Base pleasures of human creatures are awesome.

Balarka Sen

Right out of the underground, aren't you?

existential rot has taken place clearly

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Just saying I see nothing wrong with happiness.

Balarka Sen

Well, what do you mean by "wrong"? That's a subjective idea in the first place. I don't see anything wrong with happiness or any of the extreme forms of pleasure seeking either.

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Well, what do you mean by "comfort"?

Balarka Sen

Offensively Funny: Guy with burning hand Swearing

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Touch\'e

Oh man, this is much better.

How come I have never seen this

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