2:36 AM
Went and saw my high school physics teacher today.
Also a math teacher.

How densely should I pack the cotton in my Zippo for maximum capacity of lighter fluid?

@Mazura How woudl you even measure that?

PSI while shoving it in? I dunno...
There's got to be a limit at some point, and a trade off for it not leaking out.

@Mazura less cotton --> more other stuff

2:52 AM
^maximum holding capacity ;)

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@vzn They didn't put the name of the bidder in light; but I am totally at the sea as what he would do with the book.

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Principia was a revolutionary book; but frankly speaking, you can't learn any significant thing from it.

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I assume the bidder only kept it as a show piece.

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@DanielSank o/

@MAFIA36790 \o

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3:00 AM
Hey nice hat, DS!

@MAFIA36790 thanks

@MAFIA36790 huh? did you get my reply mixed up? was responding to your quote re lumo excoriating bohmians/ copenhagen skeptics. (but did find the newton book sale significant too)

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@vzn Ah!

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Yeh, Lubos is right; I deem; but his way of righting is pretty hilarious and somewhat arrogant.

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But we know already how Lubos is.

3:12 AM
@MAFIA36790 (concede) while there are many good decent arguments to make against pilot waves or anti copenhagenists (and ACM et al have advanced many here with substantial intensity/ fervor), didnt think he characterized the opposition very accurately.

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I cherish his posts, writings, blog; but his way of criticism is somewhat beyond gentlemanly -acceptable terms.

@MAFIA36790 yes he is colorful to say the least and somewhat like aaronson in that regard.

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Today is...

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'Tis The Season!!

3:46 AM

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5:06 AM
Please have a look at this illustration, people.
Kindly explain, why is the friction equal to tension, thank you.

5:36 AM
@JohnRennie: Morning :-) You've got mail.

Can anyone help me? :P

5:54 AM
Wtf, did @Doraemon get banned again?! >.<

Banned, does one really get?
@Kaumudi.H

@Kaumudi.H: saw the mail. It seems a very strange situation ...

@SwapnilDas You are speaking like Yoda why ?

@Kaumudi.H Yoda, who's he?

@JohnRennie Indeed. My father just called again and...you'll never guess!

5:57 AM
Yes ...

@Kaumudi.H why he/she is banned

@JohnRennie He said: "We are awaiting confirmation that the money is ready". Beyond my wildest guess, really.

That sounds like something out of a Nigerian 409 scam email

@DavidZ it has been a truly remarkable experience all round :-)
@Kaumudi.H do you know where the depot is? Would it be possible to go there?

My father sort of lost it right about then. After he raised his voice a bit, the person on the other end informed us that many e-mails have been sent to the delivery dept. but that they dunno why they haven't replied. Apparently, the status changes only when a delivery boy calls to confirm that we are home and that hasn't been done yet, for some reason.
He profusely apologized, of course, and told us that we must now wait for a call from the delivery boy. "We will ensure that it definitely reaches u today", he said.

6:03 AM
> We will ensure that it definitely reaches u today
Hmmmmmmm
One of those statements you believe when you see it happen

Yes, especially when it's TNT. When companies like Amazon tell u that it's on its way, u can trust that it really is.
@JohnRennie But they keep insisting that they will deliver it.
Both my parents are working and like I said, I'm not allowed to take the train on my own. As to the bus, well, I dunno. Dyou really think this is the last option left to us?

Well, let's wait and see.
BTW did you sort out a power cable?

@JohnRennie No! Dang it! I don't understand why it won't do to just buy another cable..?

You could just buy a cable. Did you see the Amazon link I posted?

> "Currently unavailable; We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

6:12 AM
OK, but that was to show the type of cable you need.
Specifically one with the "clover leaf" type connector on the end.
There must be loads of them on Amazon, or maybe you can get one locally.
Or maybe a local shop can change the plug on the cable that will come with the laptop.

Will this work:

Yes, if that takes UK plugs that will work fine.

Hm, how to know if it does?

Good. So you'll be able to use the laptop immediately. Given all the hoo haa I was a bit worried that you'd get the laptop then be unable to use it because you couldn't plug the charger in!

It says "Europe, U.S.A, Australia, Thailand, Japan" so it will work, yes?

6:22 AM
Mainland Europe uses different plugs from the UK. However this description specifically mentions the UK.

Thanks! :-) Sheesh, I hope it gets here today. Otherwise I'm gonna be so mad.

I'll wait till it gets here to check if the adapter works, but thanks!

6:50 AM
Howdy
Hey @Kaumudi.H

@JohnRennie: !!!
Hey, @SirCumference :-)

@Kaumudi.H What?

The delivery boy just called. They're 45 minutes away!
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(Somebody please star that ^ for the purposes of everybody (there seem to be a few, to my knowledge) who has been involved/is interested in this debacle)
:-( No? Okay.

@Kaumudi.H finally

Yes!! :-)
@JohnRennie: Are u working? How the heck do u not have a reaction to that?! :-o

7:11 AM
@Kaumudi.H Aha! Yes I was working! So ... 45 minutes :-)
I'll be interested to know if the box the laptop is in has been opened i.e. did the customs actually inspect it.

35 now! Guindy is not that far...
@JohnRennie I will tell u :-)

35 minutes - or about a year in subjective time :-)
BTW the laptop has a partly torn sticker on the top. I didn't remove this since I thought it wouldn't hurt to make the laptop look older and tattier than it is in case customs argued about the value.
You should be able to peel the sticker off easily.

Guess what?
(Sorry for the weird angle, it has my address on it)

Ah, it has been opened ...
So ...
Come on then ...

Wait wait :-P
It's up and running! :-D
2

7:32 AM
You seem remarkably relaxed given that IT'S FINALLY HERE!!!!!
5
So ... what do you think?

Should've gotten a mac... :P
(kidding)

:-P Idk, I usually become kinda numb when I'm overwhelmed with joy :-D

What'd you need a new computer for?

Gimme a second, there's a loose connection somewhere...there's a kinda shock on the keyboard...

@Kaumudi.H You got it 23 mins early :P

7:36 AM
@JohnRennie You're literally a saint
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H Bernardo. What was the problem last night?

@BernardoMeurer You're using the hats wrong...

@SirCumference I break things

@BernardoMeurer that's fine. With a bit of luck the security guys won't know about my conviction for goat molesting.

7:40 AM
@JohnRennie Lol, I used a bogus address because I couldn't remember yours
I put in "Cherry Road, Chester"
Because it sounded right

@JohnRennie: Yep, u really are :-D I think I may have to change the power cord and buy a new one tho...it's kinda...shocky.

@Kaumudi.H how do mean?
You mean that adaptor is a bit dodgy?
What does kinda...shocky mean - it sounds a bit alarming!

Yeah, u know the space kinda below where the touchpad is?
OK, u know the space where ur wrists are, when u type?

@Kaumudi.H Below the touchpad are the two mouse buttons ...

No, I mean, u know where ur wrists are when u type?
OK, here:
The lit area...on both sides.

7:49 AM
@Kaumudi.H Woah, I didn't realize that was actually where I kept them until I looked down just now...

OK the blank areas to the left and right of the touchpad?

When I connect it to the adapter, those areas...are shocky (:-P)
@SirCumference :-)

That's very odd. You mean like a static charge. When you touch them you get a feeling like a static shock?

Yes, exactly, I mean static charge.

The adaptor only supplies 18 volts. Thre's no voltage higher than 18V anywhere in the laptop.

7:52 AM
:-/ Why then...
Okay, I'll ask my father where I can the plug changed.
And there's about 85% battery remaining :-)

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You did it?! You finally got it!! Congrats!!

THANK YOU!! :-D @JohnRennie: I'm sorry I sound almost...bored. I go kinda numb when I become too happy...for some perspective, let me submit that when my mom started crying (happy tears) because I received 93.6% in my boards, I experienced the same feeling :-D

@Kaumudi.H you're welcome :-)

Oh, wait!!

WHAT!!

7:56 AM
:-P Wait for it, lemme try something
Hehehe, I wore a hat! :-D @JohnRennie

@Kaumudi.H WHAT! :-)
Aaaaaaaaaaaah, you're on the PSE on the laptop!

YESS!! :-D

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@Kaumudi.H And your first ever job through the laptop!

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Mark this day.

@Kaumudi.H Now go put Linux on it :P

8:04 AM
@MAFIA36790 Yup!

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@BernardoMeurer Some guys here are using Kali Linux; I wanted to but I'm not sure why they did that.

@BernardoMeurer I'm afraid JR has advised me against it, for the time being :-P

@MAFIA36790 Kali is for stupid people
@MAFIA36790 It's for kids

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okay, thanks for making me aware.

@MAFIA36790 Run Antergos or Ubuntu

8:08 AM
@BernardoMeurer Ubuntu seems to be getting a bit bloated these days
I fear it is headed down the same path as Windows.

This is crazy.

@JohnRennie I hate Ubuntu
But people like it

@Kaumudi.H Crazy in a good way?
@BernardoMeurer It isn't too bad with the xfce shell. The Unity shell is just awful.

What bugs me is APT
and how the whole package system works
Arch found such an elegant solution to that

@JohnRennie Remember how I said that I can't believe my luck? Crazy in an OMG WTF WHY DO I DESERVE THIS way

8:15 AM
heck, even FreeBSD is better than Ubuntu

This is really really beautiful :'-)

@Kaumudi.H Check your mail. You can do that on the laptop as well of course ...

Hehe :-) Okay...
No way. What? NOOOOOOOOO

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Bad CNT means its tube formation is not good as specified by TEM. And the gases I am using is h2 for reduction and h2c2 for growth.

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8:20 AM
@JohnRennie This it too much.

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I have no idea at all on this.

Now that the laptop is up and running and in my hands, you have gots to tell me how to pay u back and yes, even for the power cord, which is like, what? WHY?!
I AM EXPECTING A MAIL @JohnRennie !!

259 rupees for a power cable is an insignificant amount - don't worry abut it. As for the delivery charge, TNT are going to be refunding that. They don't know it yet, but they're definitely going to be refunding it :-)

Nope. Nope. Nope.
If u find out that TNT are definitely going to refund you, then that's fine but nope nope nope. U are NOT paying for the power cord. Seriously, do you have like, too much money or something?!
Oh, you can just cancel the order before they ship it!

HI noobs
oh hey @Kaumudi.H.
did you get ur computa?

8:27 AM
Seriously, @JohnRennie, there is absolutely no way that u're paying for it. Nope nope nope.

I can pay
i'm pretty rich

@Kenshin Yup! :-D

oh awesome

@Kenshin -____-

w
at

8:28 AM
57 mins ago, by Kaumudi. H

wow that looks nice
where is the line?
I cant's see the line
I think @JohnRennie accidentally sent the one with the good screen

@Kaumudi.H 259 rupees is about £2.50. That is about what I earn in one minute when I'm doing stuff for the nuclear energy guys. Seriously, forget about it.

He replaced the screen! :-D

wow what a handyman

@Kenshin as luck would have it I got a laptop with a failed motherboard but working screen the day before I posted K's laptop, so I swapped the screens.

8:30 AM
oh wow

@JohnRennie Nope. No way. Nope.

@Kaumudi.H You don't have any choice in the matter :-)

@JohnRennie x-(

@Kaumudi.H did you run out of charge already?

THIS IS NOT OKAY.

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8:31 AM
Someone is deep into Optics; I'm having a rough dull journey through Born Wolf ;/

@Kaumudi.H I have a question

@Kaumudi.H do you like the case BTW? Oh, and did you peel the label off?

if you were always on your phone before, how did you type so fast?

@JohnRennie I'm not talking to you unless u cancel it.
@Kenshin I'm an expert at typing really fast even on my phone.

i see

8:33 AM
It's nice weather for the time of year

@Kaumudi.H have you tried the middle joystick yet?
I told you it was a mouse

Crap, I've got a server down - back in a mo ...

@JohnRennie Okay lookie here, I can cycle for 10 mins to go buy the thing and I was going to go in a bit.

@Kaumudi.H congratulations

@Kaumudi.H is that chair your workstation?

8:36 AM
@JohnRennie do you really earn this much
Hii @Kenshin

hi @koolman
he might earn that much per hour
but you earn more on an hourly basis when paid per hour then when paid a salary

@Kenshin Yep! I believe u now :-P

@Kenshin great :O
@Kenshin one problem

wats dat

8:39 AM
let me swee if i can fix it up for you bud

@Kenshin No...
(Sorry for not replying. Was in a bit of a crisis)

what crisis?
r u ok?

Yeah, yeah. It turns out that the Saint Mr. JR paid for a power cord on Amazon and it's being delivered here.

wtf
but TNT sux

(This keyboard is a lot smaller than the one I'm used to...still picking up speed)
@Kenshin Not TNT!
He ordered a power cable for me on Amazon.

8:43 AM
ok

@Kaumudi.H WHAT !!!

so ur using the new computer now?
until it runs out of batteries then you wait a few more weeks?

@Kenshin :-P Dude, it's amazon. It'll be here in a few days, at most.

ok cool sorry I haven't ordered on Amazon b4

8:44 AM
@koolman ur question is fixed

@JohnRennie: I'm sorry I told about the power cord, if that's something that u didn't want me to do. It's just...you're, yeah, amazing and I'm kinda generally freaking out about everything right now.

@Kenshin I don't think so

@koolman I know, but it is fixed now

Yup

@Kaumudi.H y r u freaking out tho

8:46 AM
I'm back!

Thanks

@JohnRennie Server is okay?

yeeah it's just on holidays

@Kenshin correct! The nuclear power guys pay a high hourly rate, but you don't work for them 40 hours a week. It's still pretty lucrative work though!
@Kaumudi.H one of the engineers had restarted it without telling me, so it wasn't really a problem :-)
The trouble is I see the automated alarms all start shouting that a server is down, and until I check I don't know how serious it is.

@JohnRennie do you work for a nuclear power comapny or is does their name just have "nuclear" in it?

8:49 AM
@JohnRennie Ah, okay :-)

hey hey

@JohnRennie do you ever come on chat when you're "on the clock"?

@Kenshin I do contract work for National Nuclear Labs. The end user is EDF's nuclear energy division.

coool

I'm gonna go check out this thing thoroughly and also, @JohnRennie: EXPECT MAIL (in a bit) x-(

8:51 AM
@Kaumudi.H Have fun :-)
I can't really believe it's actually arrived. After all that fuss and bother.

m2
r u going to ask for a postage discount or not worry then @JohnRennie

I'm going to get a refund.

@JohnRennie Oh, I know, right?! :-D

oh they said so?

They don't know it yet, but I'M GOING TO GET A REFUND :-)

8:53 AM
lol
but @JohnRennie they did deliver the parsal

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How deep did you go to optics @Slereah?

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It seems I can't ever complete Born, Wolf.

I did optics in school
So like

@MAFIA36790 depends how big's your telescope?

Geometric optics + EM optics
I also did some quantum optics in my spare time
Tho not much

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8:54 AM
$\uparrow$ yeh.

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The latest I saw the Extinction Theorem.

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Although I have to skip many dull parts; the book is surely interesting but is really dull.

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I'm excited though for the Geometric theory of Aberrations.

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@Slereah You found it interesting?

It's okay

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8:59 AM
very well.

@JohnRennie what's the best desktop background to get

@Kenshin you need to bear in mind I'm a hard core computer nerd. I use a plain light grey background.

oh that's boring tho

Plain blue here

9:12 AM
why the plain colours

It's all about efficientcy and optimisation!

Sometimes I use this

lol wow

@JohnRennie is this true that computer ppl choose this type of backgroudn?
or just ur choice of efficiency?
@JohnRennie you still have a start bar?

9:14 AM
@Kenshin Windows 7

even when I had windows 7 i had a circle not a start bar

@JohnRennie: Do me a favour?

@Kaumudi.H Yes?

@Kaumudi.H hasn't he done enough favours?

Will u PLEASE cancel the order?

9:15 AM
@JohnRennie Are you a LaTeX master?

Wait, let me explain.

he probably can't cancel it
@BernardoMeurer I am bro

It'll get here in like, 3-4 days, right?
Till then how will I manage?
That shocky thing is still there...

Ah, OK, you want to go out and get a cable right away?

Yeah...
It's a 10 minute walk away, the store I mean...

9:17 AM
@Kenshin Good! I'm trying to plot three different waves, each on it's respective X axis, but on just one Y axis. This is what I tried:
\begin{figure}[H]
\begin{tikzpicture}
\begin{axis}
[
axis lines=middle,
axis line style={->},
xmin=0,
xmax=4*pi,
xticklabels={,,},
ymin=-1,
ymax=1,
yticklabels={,,},
]
\end{axis}
\begin{axis}
[
yshift=2cm,
axis lines=middle,
axis line style={->},
xmin=-0,
xmax=4*pi,
xticklabels={,,},
xlabel={$\lambda = \frac{2L}{3}$}
How do I make that work?

@Kaumudi.H Are you sure they'll have the right cable?

Yep, pretty sure.

@BernardoMeurer sorry I thought you meant a differenet latex. IW as going to recommend practicing on a banana

How long does Amazon take to actually ship something?
If we have at least like 20 minutes, I'll go get it and come back and then you can cancel it...

@BernardoMeurer no need for abuse dude

9:19 AM
@Kaumudi.H OK, that sounds like a plan!

Okay, 30 minutes. I dunno if my cycle works.
Alright, bye!
Be back in 30

@Kaumudi.H Take the current cable with you to show the guy in the shop.
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hi @Grundy

@BernardoMeurer: sense of humour failure?

@Kenshin Hi!

9:21 AM
nice hat bro
lol John good hat position

@JohnRennie I've been travelling for 20 hours, I'm transcribing chemistry notes. I don't need someone to pretend they can help when I hadn't even asked them in the first place, just to make some stupid joke about condoms later on.
If i wanted a joke I wouldn't be asking for help with something serious

dude take a chill pill
this is a bar
what's that?

@BernardoMeurer still stuck in the terminal?
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Chill guys
Bernard may well be on a plane by now.

9:37 AM
lol soz was just playing around

@Kaumudi.H that was quick ...

@JohnRennie has it been shipped?

Let me check ...

wow u ride fast

@Kaumudi.H No I can still cancel ...

9:39 AM
Cancel :-)

@Kenshin Yeah, but a fucking (sorry, I'm still pretty pissed about it) dust particle got stuck in my eye and I got it out just now. The tears are still coming. Stupid dust particle x-(
Okay gonna go home now

fuk dat

@JohnRennie: (Y)

dust can be so rude sometimes

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9:49 AM
I always close my eyes while traveling.

Yeah >.<
@MAFIA36790 That would be get me killed.
@JohnRennie: No more shocky thing! :-D

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ahh!

@Kaumudi.H Good :-)

Guess how much it costed.

Though it's really weird that the adaptor caused that effect. I have no idea what might have been going on.

9:57 AM
Yeah, hmm :-/

@Kaumudi.H No idea. Go on, tell me :-)

Rs. 60

Wow!

I didn't get the whole cord, u see.
Just an adapter that works :-D

Ah, you've just got an adaptor.

9:59 AM
Yep. It'll do :-) What diff. does it make?
Oh crap, I forgot to have lunch! I was s'posed to have had it 3 hours ago :-/

So you could still use a cable then?
Because:
Hello John H S Rennie,